[04:59] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[05:00] <superfly> hi Kilos
[05:08] <superfly> Kilos: what are you up to this morning?
[05:08] <Kilos> still thinking about what to tackle next superfly and you?
[05:08] <Squirm> morning
[05:09] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[05:09] <superfly> Kilos: currently commuting to my contractual employment via rail-based public transport
[05:09] <superfly> hi Squirm
[05:10] <Kilos> rofl
[05:10] <Kilos> you enjoy that fone thing hey
[05:10] <Kilos> hehe
[05:10] <Kilos> on train to work so much easier
[05:10] <Squirm> superfly: where is this rail-based public transport?
[05:11] <superfly> Squirm: Cape of Good Hope
[05:11] <Kilos> and peeps still havent stopped hoping
[05:12] <superfly> (well, not exactly, the Cape of Good Hope is actually right next to Cape Point, while I'm heading off to Table Bay)
[05:14] <superfly> Meh. Forgot to take my antihistamines this morning, and my inhaler... At least I have my pump
[05:15] <Kilos> oh my
[05:16] <superfly> Kilos: it's not a biggie, I'll just be blowing my nose all day
[05:16] <Kilos> told you superfly , eat lotsa raw onion
[05:17] <superfly> Kilos: how is that supposed to help?
[05:17] <superfly> apart from making me cry like a baby
[05:17] <Kilos> onion is a natural immunity booster and mild antibiotic
[05:17] <Kilos> no man
[05:18] <Kilos> chop fine and eat on sarmy like that or with tomato
[05:18] <superfly> Kilos: that doesn't help with either hayfever or asthma
[05:19] <Kilos> wait some will think. second wife had asthma and lived with a pump in hand and we cured it
[05:19] <superfly> hayfever is a reaction of your nose to the pollen and dust in the air, and asthma is a physical lung condition
[05:20] <Kilos> and mom suffered with the pollen thing
[05:20] <Kilos> so does tara
[05:20] <Kilos> but she also wont try anything thats not lekker like chocolate
[05:22] <Kilos> onion will help build your immunity to fight the pollen bit
[05:23] <superfly> Kilos: I had asthma for 2 years before it was diagnosed, most of the time I felt perfectly fine, even though I had lost 30 percent of my lung capacity... It's very easy to think you've cured asthma when in actual fact you have not
[05:23] <superfly> Kilos: the hayfever has nothing to do with the immune system
[05:24] <Kilos> oh ya
[05:24] <Kilos> you get immune to being infected by pollen bugs
[05:24] <Kilos> the lung thing you should actually get your dov to chat to ians doc
[05:25] <superfly> that's like trying to prove that the chickenpox vaccine works by comparing it to trying to cure chickenpox using the flu vaccine
[05:25] <Kilos> his lungs are breaking down the crystalization so his lung capacity has improved from 20% to 43 % in for or 5 months
[05:26] <Kilos> hehehe
[05:27] <Kilos> the ian that was here last christmas and the one that was here last month are 2 different peeps
[05:27] <superfly> Kilos: I don't have crytalisation in my lungs
[05:28] <Kilos> whats wrong with your lung capacity
[05:28] <Kilos> where the 30 % gone
[05:28] <Kilos> if you cant breathe you cant live
[05:29] <Kilos> so the priority should be recovering it
[05:32] <Kilos> morning Wraz 
[05:32] <Kilos> Maaz, seen Wraz 
[05:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Wraz was last seen 5 days, 8 hours, 33 minutes and 30 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-12-05 12:58:51 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2012-12-08 08:49:04 PST
[05:32] <Kilos> whats PST
[05:32] <Kilos> where might that be
[05:33] <superfly> Kilos: asthma is a chronic inflamation of the lungs... Made worse by allergens (pollen, dust, etc)
[05:34] <Kilos> so is it better in winter when not pollen around superfly ?
[05:35] <superfly> Kilos: sadly, I get hayfever all year round, so no.
[05:35] <Kilos> ouch
[05:37] <Symmetria> heh
[05:37] <Symmetria> kilos
[05:37] <Symmetria> wanna see something complete *sick*
[05:37] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[05:37]  * superfly is starting to feel like his grandmother who had a huge bag of medicine to take every day
[05:37] <Kilos> sick in what way Symmetria ?
[05:38] <Kilos> there will be natural things that can help superfly 
[05:38] <Symmetria>   Link-level type: 70, MTU: 1514, Speed: 100000mbps
[05:38] <Symmetria> lol look at the speed of that interface
[05:39] <superfly> Symmetria: cant you make it go any faster?
[05:39] <Kilos> is that fast enough for you Symmetria 
[05:39] <Symmetria> 100gig interfaces are sick :p
[05:39] <Symmetria> hehehe Im logged into a remote lab at juniper
[05:39] <Symmetria> wishing I had crap like this of my own
[05:40] <Symmetria> this stuff they have is just crazy, I rdesktop into their ixia traffic generator
[05:40] <Symmetria> and can start telling it to throw traffic around the lab 
[05:40] <Symmetria> at stupid speeds and then gimme stats
[05:40] <Kilos> you really getting deep into this hey
[05:43] <Symmetria> heh, Im testing the configuration we wanna put in at UFS
[05:43] <Symmetria> except, difference between the hardware Im working on remotely and the stuff at UFS is in the optics, this lab setup has single mode 100gig optics in it
[05:43] <Symmetria> and no university could ever afford that
[05:43] <Symmetria> those optics are 75 thousand dollars each
[05:44] <Symmetria> heh, total hardware in this lab setup is probably very close to a million dollars
[05:44] <Kilos> eeek
[05:54] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[06:00] <nlsthzn> morning all
[06:00] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[06:01] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos , how are you this fine morning?
[06:01] <Kilos> fine ty nlsthzn and you?
[06:01] <nlsthzn> always good thanks :)
[06:13] <Symmetria> YES!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahaha oh man, I feel like such an idiot 
[06:13] <Symmetria> I just sat from 4am trying to get something to work on this lab
[06:14] <Symmetria> and it turns out... I had typoed an ip address 
[06:14]  * Symmetria bangs his head on the desk
[06:14] <Symmetria> typos are bad mmmmk
[06:27] <Kilos> hi Ludo 
[06:27] <Kilos> is this link not to get the seatools iso guys?
[06:27] <Kilos> http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4624837/SEAGATE_SEA_TOOLS_BOOTABLE_DISK_ISO
[06:31] <Kilos> a cd repair toolkit cant be so small
[06:45] <superfly> Kilos: that's a torrent, not the actual ISO
[06:45] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[06:46] <superfly> hrm, the ISO size is supposedly 1.8 megs though, that is small... but it says it is "SeaTools for DOS" - not sure you want that?
[06:46] <Kilos> i will use whatever i can to repair drives superfly 
[06:47] <Kilos> foun another link thats gives more info and another one that takes me places to some other tool
[06:47] <Kilos> internet drives me mal
[06:48] <Kilos> got a diskwizard thing but its .exe and dunno if that will make a bootable cd
[06:49] <superfly> Kilos: highly unlikely
[06:52] <Kilos> found this too will try that but kinda wasteful burning that to a cd
[06:52] <Kilos> SeaToolsDOS223ALL.ISO
[06:52] <Kilos> 8.9m
[07:10] <superfly> The amount of cluelessness on the lists is staggering
[07:10] <superfly> and the amount of common sense is withering into nothingness
[07:11] <Kilos> everyone needs expert help superfly 
[07:11] <Kilos> i been watching
[07:15] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[07:17] <jrgns> Morning Kilos
[07:31] <Symmetria> heh holy shit thats impressive, I was running 8.5gigabit/second of test traffic, rebooted an entire router in the chain, and lost a total of 35 packets
[08:01] <magespawn> morning all
[08:06] <superfly> sup magespawn
[08:06] <magespawn> hey superfly killing pixels and you?
[08:11] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[08:15] <mazal> Morning everyone
[08:16] <magespawn> hey Kilos, mazal
[08:17] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[08:49] <Vince-0> surp durp
[08:49] <Kilos> hi hubx Vince-0 
[08:49] <hubx> hi there
[08:49] <Vince-0> darned work day
[09:05] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[09:07] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[09:07] <magespawn> just had to restart my router
[09:11] <Kilos> ah
[09:13] <magespawn> quite around here lately
[09:13] <Kilos> quiet too
[09:13] <Kilos> hehe
[09:15] <magespawn> ja ja i going to claim that as typo
[09:15] <Kilos> hehe
[11:14] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[11:14]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:14] <Kilos> inetpro, coffee time
[11:18] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:19] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[11:19] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[11:43] <Kilos> wbb
[12:26] <inetpro> Kilos: dankie oom
[12:26] <Kilos> lol
[12:27] <Kilos> quassel het my ge plieng
[12:34] <inetpro> Kilos: nou wat soek jy al weer op qaussel?
[12:34] <Kilos> ek is op ian se 500g skyf wat ek reggemaak het en gebruik vir data recovery
[12:35] <Kilos> ek het nie plek op myne nie
[15:27] <Kilos> inetpro, you here??
[15:28] <Kilos> i need to know how to get the gui going from the prompt on kubuntu please
[15:28] <Kilos> like sudo gdm start on maverick
[15:29] <Kilos> for some reason i cant get past the text goodie
[15:29] <Kilos> nlsthzn, ideas?
[15:30] <nlsthzn> I am thinking
[15:30] <nlsthzn> give me a sec :p
[15:30] <nlsthzn> with Slackware it was always easy... startx
[15:31] <nlsthzn> I see in 2005 that startkde would have worked >.<
[15:31] <Kilos> lol i tried kdm start
[15:32] <Kilos> its some thing service or so
[15:32] <Kilos> oh my
[15:33] <Kilos> i did startkde and it says display is not set or cannot connect to xserver
[15:33] <nlsthzn> sudo /usr/sbin/rckdm stop
[15:33] <nlsthzn> sudo /usr/sbin/rckdm start
[15:33] <nlsthzn> never seen these commands before however?!
[15:34] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn 
[15:34] <nlsthzn> afaik the kde commands are similar to the gnome ones...
[15:35] <Kilos> command not found
[15:36] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[15:36] <Cantide> Cantide not found '<
[15:36] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[15:37] <nlsthzn> how about kdm start?
[15:37] <nlsthzn> ah but doesn't kubuntu also use lightdm....?
[15:37] <Kilos> ah maybe
[15:38] <Kilos> sudo lightdm start also no good
[15:39] <Kilos> and the googling from here is to try connect from remote pcs and stuff
[15:39] <Kilos> grrr
[15:39] <Kilos> i think when its working i must install gdm
[15:42] <nlsthzn> problems with the kubuntu install uncle Kilos ?
[15:42] <Kilos> inetpro, if you dont help me now you gonna get wet going home
[15:42] <Kilos> na it worked fine nlsthzn 
[15:42]  * Symmetria wakes up and looks in with very blurry eyes
[15:42] <Symmetria> wow Im tired
[15:42] <Symmetria> one lab test down last night, one more long night ahead of me 
[15:43] <Kilos> then i needed to get quassel and other settings so i took my unity backup and put it on kde now it sees miles not ian
[15:44] <Kilos> i tried killing miles all over the place but it dont help , so what i did i went recovery mode on an earlier upgrade and thats where the probs are
[15:45] <Kilos> and ive got tons of recovered data in there somewhere and dont know where to find it or id just clean install
[15:47] <nlsthzn> you do have some interesting times with PC's uncle Kilos 
[15:48] <Kilos> heehee hee
[15:48] <Kilos> yeah
[15:48] <Kilos> my own fault though
[15:48] <Kilos> kde and unity been very stable here
[15:48] <Kilos> 12.04 that is
[15:50] <Kilos> if it wasnt for struggling with 3g in the beginning i could say like the fly, I dont have those problems I use kubuntu
[15:56] <Kilos> aw its startx i think
[15:56] <Kilos> but this one cant find the xserver
[15:56] <Kilos> grrr
[15:57] <nlsthzn> perhaps install lightdm and then use that...
[15:57] <Kilos> i cant get online with it till gui going
[15:57] <Kilos> looking what to aptitude reinstall
[15:57] <Kilos> x something
[15:58] <Kilos> x11 something
[16:01] <Kilos> xserver-xorg needs to get 78kB
[16:01] <Kilos> grrr
[16:02] <nlsthzn> :(
[16:04] <Kilos> lol
[16:07] <Kilos> maybe it will connect without going into gui. i go try
[16:07] <Kilos> wbb
[16:09] <inetpro> Kilos: WAYTTD?
[16:11] <nlsthzn> is that something like WWJD?
[16:25] <Kilos> hmm nlsthznlooks like it was something to do with nvidia
[16:26] <Kilos> did an aptitude reinstall nvidia-173 and rebooted and here we are
[16:26] <Kilos> i hope
[16:29] <Kilos> haha now it lets me login as ian and shows /home/miles too
[16:29] <Kilos> so got all the data recoveries
[16:29] <Kilos> w0000t
[16:31] <nlsthzn> all the fun and games 
[16:31] <Kilos> lol
[16:32] <Kilos> now i gonna save them on external then reinstall
[16:32] <inetpro> Maaz: WAYTTD
[16:32] <Maaz> inetpro: WAYTTD is What Are You Trying To Do?
[16:32] <Kilos> just to show theres no hard feelings
[16:33] <inetpro> nlsthzn: ^^
[16:33] <Kilos> didnt you read inetpro?
[16:33] <inetpro> Kilos: but how did you get into text mode in the first place?
[16:33] <nlsthzn> seems nvidia bombed :p
[16:34] <nlsthzn> oh and thanks for the explanation inetpro 
[16:34] <inetpro> Maaz: assumption
[16:34] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts
[16:34] <inetpro> nlsthzn: ^^
[16:35] <Kilos> lol now its assumption because the ckicken egg bit is sorted
[16:35] <nlsthzn> all I know is that the nvidia driver was re-installed and all was well in KDE land :p
[16:35] <Kilos> rofl
[16:35] <nlsthzn> apparentlty
[16:35] <inetpro> lol
[16:36] <Kilos> a while back i did deja-dup backup to this kde from my unity inetpro
[16:36] <inetpro> and?
[16:36] <Kilos> and it lost home ian and had home miles showing
[16:37] <Kilos> and the data recoveries were in home ian
[16:37] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[16:37] <Kilos> i tried getting in there but couldnt
[16:38] <Kilos> anyway now i got them and lost three more gray hairs
[16:38] <inetpro> Kilos: did you try creating a user ian?
[16:38] <Kilos> yes
[16:38]  * inetpro don't really get it 
[16:38] <Kilos> wouldnt let him go look at the original ians stuff
[16:39] <Kilos> ya man you think logically thats why
[16:39] <inetpro> Kilos: you been playing with permissions again?
[16:39] <Kilos> nope
[16:39] <Kilos> but now im in so all good
[16:39] <inetpro> ok, let's leave it there for the mo
[16:39] <Kilos> lol
[16:40] <Kilos> ya you dont need headaches
[16:40] <Kilos> did you get wet?
[16:40]  * inetpro 's day was way to messed up for any arguments now
[16:40] <Kilos> aw sorry
[16:41] <inetpro> Kilos: but I got out of the city without getting to much of the wetness
[16:41] <Kilos> good
[16:41] <inetpro> not sure whether it's still raining there though
[16:41] <Kilos> stopped here
[16:42] <Kilos> i go see total before dark
[16:42] <inetpro> did you guys see that article from RMS?
[16:44] <Kilos> no where?
[16:44] <Kilos> 15mm since yesterday
[16:44] <inetpro> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
[16:44] <Kilos> hmm
[16:45] <inetpro> says: "If you ever recommend or redistribute GNU/Linux, please remove Ubuntu from the distros you recommend or redistribute."
[16:45] <inetpro> because Canonical is spying on you
[16:46] <nlsthzn> been a whole whoo haaa on the net about this and the reply from Jono... and then Jono's apology etc... getting tiresome
[16:46] <inetpro> nlsthzn: where's that apology?
[16:46] <Kilos> aw man 
[16:46] <inetpro> I didn't see that
[16:46] <nlsthzn> also on Jono's blog
[16:46] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:47]  * inetpro goes to check
[16:47] <nlsthzn> http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/12/10/on-being-childish-an-apology/
[16:47] <nlsthzn> but read the original first if you haven't :p
[16:47] <inetpro> thanks, yes I did
[16:48] <inetpro> rms is a tough one
[16:48] <inetpro> got some good points
[16:48] <Kilos> all they doing is causing the linux world harm
[16:49]  * nlsthzn decides to step away from the keyboard :p
[16:50] <Kilos> lol
[16:52] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:53] <nlsthzn> and as it is the flavour of the moment : http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/81966
[16:53] <nlsthzn> inetpro, ^^
[17:00] <inetpro> yikes!
[17:00] <Kilos> billy boy is laughing all the way to the bank
[17:00]  * inetpro clearly has not had time to read the news in the last few days
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:01] <nlsthzn> I have only skimmed the highlights... with communities added to G+ there is to much going on now :/
[17:01] <inetpro> true
[17:01]  * inetpro bbl
[17:04] <superfly> *too
[18:04] <inetpro> wb hubx
[18:08] <inetpro> nlsthzn: btw, I do thing rms is making a good point about Ubuntu sending a string to Canonical's servers each time you search something in the dash
[18:09] <inetpro> surely that can not be a good thing
[18:09] <inetpro> sadly I don't have a solution for this
[18:10] <nlsthzn> inetpro, it is the nature of the trend of serving peoples needs (even if they don't know they have the need)... look at android and google, it does everything automagically for me now on my phone... scary sometimes... it is how it is done that is the issue IMO
[18:11] <inetpro> that still doesn't make it right
[18:12] <nlsthzn> well... ok
[18:12]  * nlsthzn got sound to work on Dota 2 so misaa gonna play.. oh I have to keys to the beta if anyone is interested btw ;)
[18:26] <Kilos> inetpro: why you worried about dash you dont have those probs
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't like it when people don't want to recommend Ubuntu
[18:27] <Kilos> yeah me too
[18:28] <Kilos> hi smile--
[18:31] <smile--> hi! :D
[18:32] <smile> how are you oom Kilos ? :)
[18:34] <Kilos> good ty smileand you?
[18:35] <Kilos> stupid quassel doesnt space after tab complete
[18:35]  * Kilos waits for snide comments
[18:38] <Kilos> whew i cast the bait and get no bites
[18:39] <Kilos> yo plustwo sakhi magtie drussell
[18:39] <Kilos> hope you all well
[18:55] <inetpro> Kilos: you are fired!
[18:55] <Kilos> why????
[18:55] <Kilos> fired from what or where inetpro ?
[18:55] <inetpro> Kilos: you messed with default settings
[18:56] <Kilos> oh
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: Settings | Configure Quassel | Input Widget | Tab Completion
[18:57] <Kilos> i didnt touch them here
[18:57] <Kilos> maybe from the backup from unity
[18:58] <inetpro> change it and have it your way
[18:58] <Kilos> ok ty inetpro it be kiff now
[18:58] <Kilos> gracias amigo
[18:58] <inetpro> np 
[18:59] <Kilos> i thought it was a "lets ignore kilos" night
[19:00] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[19:00] <Kilos> even went and said hi to maaz to see if i was still connected
[19:00] <psydroid> haha
[19:00] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[19:01] <magtie> Hi Kilos
[19:01] <magtie> Hi Everyone
[19:02] <Kilos> magtie: they dont say anything unless you name each one individually the bunch of lurkers
[19:04] <magtie> thats OK
[19:04] <Kilos> nee man
[19:04] <magtie> I often say nothing
[19:04] <Kilos> its rude
[19:04] <magedroid> Evening all
[19:04] <Kilos> hi magedroid 
[19:05] <magedroid> Quass3l on the fritz
[19:05] <magedroid> Quassel even
[19:05] <Kilos> lol
[19:07] <Kilos> magtie: ons groot mense moet die kinders mooi leer
[19:09] <magtie> O gonnas - dis hoekom ek stil is
[19:09] <magedroid> Kilos you want any bet it is that routet i had to restart
[19:09] <magedroid> Lol
[19:10] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:10] <Kilos> many many years since i heard O gonnas
[19:10] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:10] <Kilos> your router giving probs magedroid 
[19:11] <Kilos> or your core
[19:11] <inetpro> did you guys see the news about the bridge that collapsed on the R65 between Lothair and Ermelo due to heavy rains?
[19:11] <magedroid> Think is the router, i keep getting connection refused, think the firewall on the router is to blame
[19:12] <magedroid> Yes inetpro and the train one further down the coast
[19:12] <inetpro> unbelievable
[19:13] <Kilos> ya in toti
[19:13] <Kilos> i rode that train for a year to work and back
[19:13] <inetpro> wow
[19:13] <Kilos> and we had 15mm
[19:13] <magedroid> Only goods trains now i think
[19:13] <magedroid> On that routw
[19:13] <magedroid> Route
[19:13]  * inetpro 's brother lives in that area of Lothair
[19:14] <Kilos> ah
[19:14] <Kilos> wheres lothar
[19:14] <Kilos> lothair
[19:14] <inetpro> says if you traveling from Ermelo to Lothair you wouldn't see that gaping hole 
[19:14] <Kilos> inetpro: ^^
[19:15] <Kilos> oh sorry
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: Mpumalanga
[19:15] <inetpro> towards Swaziland
[19:15] <Kilos> wes transvaal
[19:15] <magedroid> That is hectic inetpro
[19:16] <smile> Kilos: "good ty smileand you?" <- fine too :p just a little bit busy ;)
[19:16] <Kilos> again
[19:16] <Kilos> my tab complete needed adjusting smile 
[19:17] <Kilos> the pro first fired me then fixed it
[19:17] <inetpro> lol
[19:17] <smile> I see :p
[19:17] <Kilos> kde is lotsa extra work
[19:17] <smile> that's why I wasn't pinged :o
[19:18] <Kilos> ya sorry
[19:18] <Kilos> ask magedroid about the screensaver episode
[19:19] <inetpro> image of that road collapse http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nEbszl01go0/UMdTN6POwBI/AAAAAAAAlUI/cZWwgTjPkzE/s400/img24.jpg
[19:19] <Kilos> we saw on tv
[19:19] <Kilos> serios wash away
[19:20] <Kilos> superfly: you working or what?
[19:22] <magedroid> he has been busy with openlp lately
[19:22] <Kilos> i thought the upgrade was published last weekend
[19:22] <magedroid> The channel has been very active lately
[19:23] <Kilos> openlp channel?
[19:23] <magedroid> Yup
[19:23] <Kilos> ah
[19:24] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[19:24] <inetpro> kde is not lotsa extra work
[19:24] <inetpro> not that I'm aware of
[19:25] <Kilos> magedroid: tell about screen savers
[19:25] <superfly> what? where? oh. yes.
[19:25] <magedroid> Lol
[19:25] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <Kilos> he woke up\
[19:25] <inetpro> he did?
[19:26] <magedroid> The screen savers were not installed by default, i thought is was broken, lol
[19:26] <Kilos> lol me too
[19:26] <inetpro> magedroid: what do you need screensavers for?
[19:26] <magedroid> So ppl coming into shop realisemthe pcs are on
[19:27] <Kilos> because the fly said its good to look after your screen
[19:27] <inetpro> a black screen is really all you need by default
[19:27] <Kilos> no man black screen looks like pc is off
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: that is how it should be
[19:28] <magedroid> Indeed and my screens power off so confuses ppl 
[19:28] <Kilos> and some of the screensavers in all the ubuntus are beautiful
[19:28] <inetpro> waste of resources
[19:28] <magedroid> Keep asking to switch them on
[19:28] <Kilos> hehe
[19:28] <Kilos> nee man
[19:28] <inetpro> obviously you can install your own fancy screensavers as many as you want
[19:29] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel
[19:29] <inetpro> but by default the minimum is 100% correct for 99% of cases
[19:29] <Kilos> wastes no resources
[19:29] <inetpro> go do the math!
[19:29] <smile> http://webwereld.nl/nieuws/112743/het-dramatische-einde-van-de-e-reader-is-in-zicht.html :o
[19:29] <Kilos> if screensaver is on then no one using the pc
[19:30] <Kilos> what math inetpro ?
[19:30] <Symmetria> Physical interface: ae2, Enabled, Physical link is Up
[19:30] <Symmetria>   Interface index: 168, SNMP ifIndex: 0
[19:30] <Symmetria>   Link-level type: Ethernet, MTU: 1514, Speed: 200Gbps, BPDU Error: None,
[19:30] <Symmetria> wheeeeeee
[19:30] <Symmetria> got that working now
[19:30] <smile> byeee! :D
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: fancy screensaver by default vs minimal black screen
[19:30] <magedroid> Yeah just was no aware that all
[19:31] <inetpro> Kilos: power saving
[19:31] <Kilos> yes inetpro but use of resources means nothing if pc is idle
[19:31] <Kilos> ai
[19:31] <smile> good night! :)
[19:31] <inetpro> screensavers require lots of power and processing
[19:31] <Kilos> night smile 
[19:31] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:32] <inetpro> good night smile
[19:32] <inetpro> ai
[19:32] <Kilos> lol
[19:32] <magedroid> Speedy.
[19:32] <Kilos> tv uses more power than screensavers
[19:33] <inetpro> Kilos: there are more PCs than TVs
[19:33] <inetpro> just about every office worker has one or more PCs
[19:33] <Kilos> so we gotta kill screensavers so more peeps can watch tv?
[19:34] <inetpro> the modern PC is the TV
[19:34] <Kilos> with uncapped ya
[19:34] <Kilos> and decent connection
[19:35] <Kilos> im sure some adsls cant do tv
[19:35] <inetpro> Kilos: do you think for one moment that peeps switch off their PC when they go home in teh evening or on weekends?
[19:35] <inetpro> the*
[19:35] <Kilos> oh you mean the work pcs
[19:35] <inetpro> yebo yes
[19:35] <Kilos> like you and nuvolari 
[19:36] <Kilos> i dont think that far
[19:36] <magedroid> Man this irk some
[19:36] <inetpro> haha
[19:36] <Kilos> wb magedroid 
[19:36] <inetpro> default should be black, end of story!
[19:37] <Kilos> so inetpro if you watching tv or playing with the kids how do you know when we need you
[19:37] <magedroid> If they are defaults then that is not the problem, but they are not
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: you can wait
[19:38] <magedroid> Lol
[19:38] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:38] <Kilos> i can hear it
[19:38] <Kilos> laat daai ou dom donner wag
[19:38] <inetpro> lol
[19:39] <Kilos> oh i wanna try something i just saw here on quassel
[19:39] <Kilos> did it work inetpro 
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: what?
[19:40] <Kilos> -*- Kilos sending CTCP-PING request to inetpro
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[19:40] <Kilos> received a reply in 1 sec
[19:41] <Kilos> because i see it can be done here in quassel man
[19:41] <Kilos> xchat you gotta go pm
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: what did it tell you?
[19:41] <Kilos> * Received CTCP-PING answer from inetpro with 1 seconds round trip time
[19:42] <Kilos> didnt you even see it happen
[19:42] <Kilos> whew and im old
[19:43] <inetpro> Kilos: haha
[19:44] <inetpro> it worked but I'm just wondering why you would want to use that
[19:44] <inetpro> 11/12 21:39:27 * Received CTCP-PING request by Kilos!~quassel@8ta-151-23-163.telkomadsl.co.za
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: try again
[19:44] <Kilos> well do it to me so i can see if the screen shakes or something
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: did you do it?
[19:45] <Kilos> oh my it sent to 3 peeps
[19:45] <magedroid> Lol
[19:45] <Kilos> ya yours didnt answer
[19:46] <inetpro> hah, gotcha
[19:46] <Kilos> but drubins and Wraz s did
[19:46] <Kilos> swine
[19:46] <Kilos> made lekker music here though
[19:46]  * inetpro added an ignore rule
[19:46] <Kilos> grrr
[19:46] <magedroid> Blocked the ping? Or just ignore Kilos?
[19:47] <Kilos> i gonna find me a hacker and let him modify a msn nudge for irc
[19:47] <inetpro> http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/1/wiki/FAQ#How-do-I-ignore-CTCP-requests
[19:48] <Kilos> why did you add the ignore thing if you dont even see one come in?????
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat_flood
[19:51] <magedroid> I remember that used to happen a lot
[19:52] <Kilos> sigh
[19:52] <Kilos> by sending too many
[19:52] <Kilos> i sent one to try wake you up
[19:52] <magedroid> Used to flood the channel
[19:52] <Kilos> one ping does no damage
[19:52] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm awake
[19:52] <Kilos> you sure??
[20:01] <Kilos> if i can make another hour i can do an update/upgrade here on kubuntu
[20:07] <nlsthzn> g night
[20:08] <magedroid> Night nlsthzn
[20:09] <Kilos> night nlsthzn 
[20:12] <magedroid> You mean stay awake Kilos?
[20:15] <inetpro> Kilos: I be waiting with you to test me new 2+1 bundle
[20:16] <magedroid> Lol the night owls
[20:16] <Kilos> lol
[20:16]  * inetpro is very happy that it's working here
[20:16] <Kilos> 8ta rocks
[20:17] <inetpro> interwebs at  less than 3c per MB rocks
[20:18] <inetpro> not that R149 for the 2+1 is less than 3c per MB
[20:18] <inetpro> but I should get there with the 60+60 option
[20:24] <Kilos> how much is the 2 + 1
[20:24] <inetpro> Kilos: R149
[20:25] <Kilos> per meg man
[20:25] <Kilos> ai ek sukkel
[20:25] <inetpro> Kilos: 149 / 2000 = 7.45c
[20:25] <magedroid> inetpro is the 8ta network or roaming?
[20:25] <Kilos> im the one that told you to go 8ta months ago
[20:26] <Kilos> both magedroid 
[20:26] <inetpro> Kilos: 149 / 3000 = 4.9c
[20:26] <Kilos> if no 8ta close they use mtn
[20:26] <inetpro> magedroid: sadly only on the 8ta network
[20:26] <Kilos> 4.9 is good
[20:26] <magedroid> No mtn close here either only edge speed at best
[20:27] <magedroid> Vodacom the only one with 3g/hsdpa
[20:27] <inetpro> Kilos: but then you got to use the night owl bytes
[20:27] <Kilos> i found a paper where id written down costs when i first tried the internet R2 per meg on small bundles
[20:27] <Kilos> aw that sucks magedroid 
[20:28] <Kilos> fone 8ta and ask whats the chances of a upgrade
[20:28]  * inetpro hates MTN for keeping the price so high
[20:28] <inetpro> when I get those calls from MTN reps I immediately tell them I'm not interested
[20:29] <magedroid> I am up late tonight getting company financials ready for bank
[20:29] <magedroid> So will keep you guys company
[20:29] <inetpro> those prepaid rates should come down significantly across the board
[20:32] <magedroid> They have to hit bottom sooner or later
[20:35]  * magedroid listens to toy soldiers nelle the elephant
[20:36] <Kilos> this is tough on ballies
[20:36] <inetpro> I don't mind them making a bit of money if service was good but exploitation combined with bad service is no good in my books
[20:36] <Kilos> almost swallowed the screen here
[20:36] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man
[20:40] <inetpro> Kilos: do something
[20:40] <inetpro> Kilos: like, learn how to use vim
[20:41] <inetpro> hmm... Kilos is sleeping?
[20:41] <Kilos> lol too tired to think such serious stuff
[20:41] <Kilos> 19 mins to go
[20:41] <inetpro> vimtutor is not serious stuff
[20:42] <Kilos> for me it is man
[20:42] <inetpro> ai
[20:42] <Kilos> and head to busy trying to fix scrap drives
[20:42] <inetpro> Kilos: have you tried it?
[20:42] <Kilos> vimtutor?
[20:42] <inetpro> yebo yes
[20:42] <Kilos> you forget
[20:42] <Kilos> hello world
[20:43] <inetpro> I forget what?
[20:43] <Kilos> or was that python
[20:43] <inetpro> that must have been python
[20:43] <Kilos> you had to help me get it going dodo
[20:43] <inetpro> yes but you never followed through
[20:43] <Kilos> you need to use vim  to work python
[20:43] <inetpro> IIRC
[20:43] <Kilos> well i got busy
[20:44] <inetpro> well you where still young at that stage
[20:44] <Kilos> rofl
[20:44] <Kilos> yeah
[20:44] <magedroid> Hah
[20:45] <Kilos> actually had more time and less headaches because i didnt have to be active
[20:45] <inetpro> ai
[20:45] <Kilos> could sit and think and other times just sit
[20:50] <Kilos> inetpro: what you wanna get with your +1
[20:51] <inetpro> Kilos: for now, just todays updates
[20:51] <Kilos> i was tempted to get 12.04 server
[20:51] <Kilos> but dunno how to get the 32bit with wget
[20:51] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[20:52] <Kilos> you have to go change one button to change from 64 bit
[20:52] <inetpro> why do you want 12.04 server?
[20:52] <Kilos> i wanted to make one pc here a server but cant member why
[20:53] <Kilos> and i have lotsa 12.04 packages
[20:53] <inetpro> ai
[20:53] <Kilos> 3.7 gig already
[20:53] <inetpro> Kilos: you do realise that it's just cli?
[20:53] <Kilos> so can install update/upgrade for under 40 meg data
[20:54] <Kilos> you guys works them remotely
[20:54] <inetpro> huh?
[20:54] <Kilos> from pc with gui
[20:54] <inetpro> nee man
[20:54] <inetpro> Kilos: WAYTTD?
[20:54] <Kilos> dunno
[20:55] <Kilos> forgopt
[20:55] <Kilos> forgot too
[20:55] <inetpro> well in that case just wget -S -c http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ubuntu-12.04.1-server-i386.iso
[20:55] <magedroid> We  were discussing something like that one day Kilos
[20:55] <Kilos> not if im not gonna be able to run it from here
[20:56] <Kilos> then i would rather get 12.10 going
[20:56] <magedroid> You said you did not have enough space for all the screens so suggested going headless
[20:56] <Kilos> cant do everything from cli
[20:57] <magedroid> You can, as fas  i know
[20:57] <magedroid> Far even
[20:57] <Kilos> me i mean
[20:57] <magedroid> Ahh well that is just practice
[20:57] <Kilos> its more to remeber
[20:57] <Kilos> no drag and drop
[20:58] <Kilos> i like drag and drop
[20:58] <magedroid> Mm it is but certain things i find easier
[20:58] <Kilos> no paths to work out
[20:58] <inetpro> Kilos: or locally at: http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release//precise/ubuntu-12.04.1-server-i386.iso
[20:58] <magedroid> Then you could run squid
[20:59] <magedroid> Now that would be cool
[20:59] <Kilos> lemme first finish with these drives then i can think about other things again
[20:59] <inetpro> Kilos: don't even think about installing a gui on a server!
[21:00] <Kilos> inetpro: if i can do it remote from this one that would be cool
[21:00] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[21:00] <Kilos> but the iptables thing
[21:00] <Kilos> whew
[21:01] <Kilos> well just take testdisk
[21:01] <Kilos> you need to see its little window to set it up
[21:01] <magedroid> Kilos i seriously think that once you get used the cli you won't go back
[21:01] <magedroid> That little windows would still come up for testdisk
[21:02] <inetpro> you can cli to the other machine anyway, without needing the server first
[21:03] <magedroid> Perhaps we could run a class on remote admin in #linux-studies sometime?
[21:03] <Kilos> ya but i need to do the iptables stuff without nm functions
[21:04] <Kilos> oh and i see in the mails they want each loco to run classrooms
[21:04]  * inetpro running updates
[21:05] <magedroid> Do we call it #ubuntu-za-classroom?
[21:05] <Kilos> mine running too
[21:05] <Kilos> only 16 meg
[21:05] <Kilos> why i got this stuff
[21:06] <Kilos> mysql-client-core-5.5 mysql-common
[21:06] <Kilos>   mysql-server-core-5.5
[21:06] <Kilos> that was quike fetched 16m already
[21:07] <magedroid> Are you running something that needs a database Kklps?
[21:07] <magedroid> Kilos^
[21:07] <Kilos> Fetched 16.0 MB in 57s (279 kB/s) 
[21:07] <magedroid> Nice
[21:07] <Kilos> i dunno magedroid 
[21:07] <magedroid> What programs do you have?
[21:08] <Kilos> ?
[21:08] <Kilos> but i did that backup from unity to this kde
[21:08] <inetpro> Fetched 18,1 MB in 2min 20s (129 kB/s) 
[21:08] <inetpro> Kilos: you win
[21:08] <magedroid> Mysql is for databases
[21:08] <magedroid> Lol
[21:08] <Kilos> so it most likely sees what unity wants too
[21:09] <Kilos> wow my 8ta zooms hey
[21:09] <Kilos> why is yours so slow
[21:10] <Kilos> i dunno what uses that magedroid 
[21:10] <inetpro> Kilos: I guess they don't like me
[21:10] <inetpro> my towers bit far away
[21:11] <Kilos> signal strength
[21:11] <Kilos> ?
[21:11] <Kilos> mine doesnt show full
[21:11] <Kilos> one bar less
[21:11] <inetpro> the lady at Telkom almost didn't even want to sign me up
[21:12] <Kilos> i think its in the tower software
[21:12] <inetpro> said I just have 70% signal or such
[21:12] <Kilos> why?
[21:12] <magedroid> Maybe number of ppl on that tower
[21:12] <Kilos> ya you got it magedroid 
[21:12] <inetpro> could be, but I'm relatively happy
[21:13] <inetpro> quite stable while speeds do vary from time to time
[21:13] <inetpro> sometimes it really flies
[21:13] <Kilos> lol i used to take 10 mins to get a 4 meg song
[21:14] <Kilos> so now we can go sleep hey?
[21:14] <Kilos> ty for the company you two
[21:14] <Kilos> sleep tight. see ya morrow
[21:14] <inetpro> Kilos: remember tm
[21:14] <Kilos> inetpro: go sleep
[21:15] <inetpro> tomorrow is 121212
[21:15] <Kilos> tm?
[21:15] <Kilos> lol
[21:15] <inetpro> or 121212121212
[21:15] <inetpro> at 12:12:12
[21:15] <magedroid> Good night y'all
[21:15] <inetpro> lol
[21:15] <Kilos> night
[21:15] <inetpro> good night
[22:27] <Wraz> k