[01:18] danimo, heya === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc === dantti_ is now known as dantti [04:38] Riddell: I uploaded GFDL debian/copyright fixes for all (I think) the games packages I accepted yesterday. === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc [08:19] Wow, there are more folks in here, than appears on the mailing list. [08:20] Hello everybody, Jonathan emailed me and suggested I turn up here and say hi [08:20] Hi all [08:26] ricktimmis: hi! [08:27] >buildslayer Hello, thanks for coming back, I'm hoping I can be useful here, and learn some things to [08:27] well [08:27] what would you like to do> [08:27] s/>/?/ [08:27] buildslayer meant: "what would you like to do?" [08:28] yofel_: did you get anywhere with the patch last night? [08:28] Well probably be most useful doing some build testing to start with [08:28] build testing as in ISO testing? you could write some test cases for us [08:28] we sorely lack those [08:29] or if you're talking about package testing, there's the KIO MTP package that's undergoing QA right now [08:29] Yes I can probably do that, are their any Docs I could look at ? [08:29] not that I know of, but look at Lubuntu's test cases [08:29] they're very well done [08:30] To date my biggets problem has been trying to find where everything is [08:30] :D [08:30] sec [08:30] :-) [08:30] ricktimmis: Daily raring builds : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds [08:30] Sample test case : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1303/info [08:31] Ah ha, awesome let me look at that stuff and see what I come back, probably loads of questions [08:31] sure [08:31] I'll be around so just highlight me and I'll try and answer [08:32] Brilliant, thank you.. [08:32] ricktimmis: you probably won't be able to edit test cases yet, so I suggest saving them locally in text files and then we can figure out who can upload them [08:33] buildslayer: OK No Problem [08:33] :) [08:38] OK will do Full Instal test casel to bear metal of Kubuntu Desktop, and log that into a text file. [08:42] ricktimmis: oh and if you have a spare machine, there's fortnightly cadence testing that ubuntu does, but we can't do it due to lack of manpower to QA things twice every month [08:44] buildslayer: Yep, I can take care of that for you, I'll find my feet up to Xmas and I can probably take that on as a commitment in 2013. I have an old machine I can use for that. [08:45] ricktimmis: note that this entails doing all the 6 test cases [08:45] well 7 [08:45] there's a Non English live session that was added [08:46] OK, well the non-english version will be a problem, Can't speak to all 6 but I can certainly manage the regularity of the schedule. [08:51] hm [08:52] ricktimmis: best to read : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Raring === buildslayer is now known as shadeslayer [09:09] shadeslayer: regarding testing http://mago.ubuntu.com/FrontPage [09:09] we carry a thousands of line patch to enable that accessibility magic in Qt [09:09] that looks familiar [09:09] but we don't use it [09:10] :( [09:10] no one does I reckon [09:10] as we introduced the patch for unity-2d and that is dead [09:10] ricktimmis could potentially investigate [09:13] depending on the tests you want to do there is little to no need to investigate but rather to implement :P [09:13] I see [09:13] start a dolphin instance [09:13] apachelogger: what's the difference between mago and autopilot testing? [09:13] qdbus `qdbus|grep dolphin` /dolphin/Dolphin_1/actions/new_window org.qtproject.Qt.QAction.trigger [09:14] right [09:14] nice [09:14] autopilot testing is a random name for a random test method :P [09:16] unless you mean the unity thing? [09:16] the unity thing, yes [09:17] it's just unit tests with convenience features for unity [09:17] I also don't understand the difference between an autopkg test and a normal test [09:17] both seem the same to me [09:17] normal test being standard code tests in KDE [09:17] shadeslayer: what's those? [09:18] apachelogger: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/auto-pkg-test.html [09:18] new thing [09:19] it's simply a speced part to enable a package to be autotested [09:20] it's like your regular build rules but for testing [09:20] hmm [09:20] most notible difference from running the tests as part of the build is that since you define a specific test envrionment you may build in chroot A, but test in chroot B [09:21] where A and B have different packages installed [09:21] ah [09:21] makes sense [09:26] shadeslayer: the fuse part looks fine, the kactivities stuff is from ivan but I'm not sure what it actually does - so either we try it out or ask him [09:27] let's ask :) [09:57] shadeslayer: kio-mtp doesnt work for me [09:57] it "stops unexpectedly" [09:57] report a boog [09:57] ok [09:57] jussi: you're pretty adept at making technology fail around you [09:57] where to? [09:57] bugs.kde.org [09:57] shadeslayer: Im a good tester :P [09:58] shadeslayer: ok [09:58] :D [09:59] shadeslayer: its probably because the machine that its on has been upgraded like a million times and I dont remember the last time I formatted it, so its probably cruft somewhere. But still, if it is, you need to know about that... [09:59] uhh ... well ... I can't say in that case [09:59] it's a new KIO Slave binary [09:59] so not sure if old cruft will affect it [10:00] do things like ftp work fine? [10:00] or smb [10:01] chances are libmtp is is causing it [10:01] -is [10:01] in my experience that bugger likes to crash when unexpected things happen (it's what a good library does :P) [10:06] ::qt-bugs:: [1046820] touch support seems broken since qt4-x11-4.8.1 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046820 (by Canmor Lam) [10:08] apachelogger: likelty [10:08] shadeslayer: all of those work fine [10:08] heh [10:08] jussi: then it's not your install [10:08] it's kio-mtp or libmtp [10:09] ok. I guess the latter [10:11] who wants to give input? [10:11] on a bug [10:23] hi ricktimmis [10:25] apachelogger: spit it out... [10:26] bug 886946 [10:26] Launchpad bug 886946 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "KDM opens at 7th virtual console despite of configuration." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/886946 [10:26] plymouth apparently does not let the user specify which virtual terminal to use [10:26] now our plymouth integration patch always reuses the plymouth VT [10:27] so the user can in fact not configure this at all [10:27] why would someone want configure that [10:27] options for resolution are saying that plymouth needs to fix it, or since we do not use KDM by default anymore simply remove the plymouth integration patch [10:27] (the patch only enables smooth transitioning from plymouth to kdm) [10:28] shadeslayer: I have no idea [10:29] ask for a usecase? [10:29] not everything that is configurable should be configurable [10:30] that sentence does not make sense [10:30] at any rate the bug is legit [10:30] you can specify the VT in grub and in KDM [10:31] but neither apparently will have effect as long as plymouth is in the picture [11:41] bug 554484 would support removing the patch [11:41] Launchpad bug 554484 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "delay on login Kubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554484 [11:42] apachelogger: what patch? [11:42] plymouth integration for kdm [11:43] so that we reuse its VT [11:44] you think that adds a delay on login? [11:46] it does break login in that instance [11:46] because kdm for some reason cannot start X [11:46] Riddell: see mail on list [11:46] (that patch should be carried upstream or dropped IMHO) [11:48] well yeah drop it if it causes problems [11:53] ah, wrong bug [11:53] bug 665195 [11:53] Launchpad bug 665195 in gdm (Ubuntu) "plymouthd alive when umountroot runs (prevents clean unmount)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665195 [11:53] also wrong [11:53] * apachelogger looks at klipper and goes Oo [11:54] bug 578732 [11:54] Launchpad bug 578732 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "boot hangs on splash screen, does not show kdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578732 === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [12:00] ScottK: didn't you fix bug 641712 [12:00] Launchpad bug 641712 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Not possible to enter password for a new user in KDM (Maverick, Natty and Oneiric)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641712 [12:02] Riddell: also bug 553567 [12:02] Launchpad bug 553567 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "transition from plymouth to kdm not smooth" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553567 [12:12] Riddell: bug 1035460 ... delta yes/no? [12:12] Launchpad bug 1035460 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "plasma-scriptengines suggests plasma-scriptengine-kimono which does not exist" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1035460 [12:12] * apachelogger leans towards no [12:30] shadeslayer, heya :-) [12:30] shadeslayer, anything that i could help today? :-) [12:46] apachelogger: nah leave it [13:03] Quintasan_: maliit review on kubuntu-devel === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [13:05] * apachelogger hides [13:05] hi Riddell :-) [13:06] Riddell, how r u doing? [13:06] Riddell, I have more changes for icecc [13:09] Riddell, and i found a bug on it for quantal and newer === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc [13:25] Got a problem 13.04 starting X fails, Xorg.log report EE /dev/card0 and fb0 do not exist. I tried nomodeset, as per Googling but no joy, anyone come across this issue. Old PC using an SIS Video Card [13:27] rbelem: what's needed? [13:28] ricktimmis: not I, file a bug I guess attaching the log [13:29] Sure, I will do that, BUT it maybe it's just this machine, I will on another box to check. Just wondered if anyone had seen this before, and could say Ah Ha do this.. [13:29] Test on another box sorry === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [13:38] ricktimmis: well it's probably video card specific [13:40] Ridell: Yes it appears to be so, I have begun testing again on another box and X has started successfully. I will try to chase down the SIS issue, once I have an id on the Card, if its a fairly common GPU Card I will puruse a fix, [13:41] ricktimmis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting might be useful [13:42] Riddell: Thanx [13:47] Hey all === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === Peace-pavillion is now known as Peace- [14:49] apachelogger: We fixed it by switching to light-dm. [14:50] Riddell, it is not working for local jobs, but I didn't investigate futher [15:06] rbelem: what's that? [15:15] The installer user info. Should Require pwd, Auto Login, and Encrypt home, radio buttons all be Mutex ? [15:17] ricktimmis: there a change for that about it go in [15:18] makes Encrypt a tick box [15:18] ricktimmis: and actually it could do with a testing :) [15:18] Riddell: Got it OK, well this is a good opportunity for me to see if I can find that in the Bug Tracker. [15:19] https://code.launchpad.net/~kitterman/ubiquity/encryptcheckbox_fix/+merge/138844 [15:19] Riddell: Brilliant thank you [15:22] ricktimmis: here's the diff, if you are able to then apply it to the files on your live system and run ubiquity to see if it works http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/DIFF [15:38] Riddell, it accepts external jobs, but raises an exception for local ones when building anything [15:38] rbelem: what does? [15:42] Riddell, the changes? [15:43] rbelem: oh, icecc [15:43] :-D [15:48] Riddell: killbots ksirk konquest still need doing as well. I'd previously rejected them for debian/copyright in completeness. [15:49] Riddell: I think I should drop the block on libkdegames. Quite a number of the games are migrating because the lib didn't bump SO name so blocking it doesn't do much good. [15:49] I believe I have a Live Install test case doc, written. Buildslayer asked me to create it in a Textfile, I have an ODT at present [15:49] ScottK: yeah I'm onto those ones now [15:49] Great. [15:49] ScottK: go ahead and drop the block [15:50] Will do. [15:50] ricktimmis: buildslayer is more normally shadeslayer or outside of irc is rohan [15:51] Done. [15:51] ricktimmis: what does the test case doc cover? [15:53] Riddell: Install from USB, Testing Boot Menu options, and functions, Language testing, Install Process, Reboot to desktop, Desktop functions, Task Switching, Activities and Widgets, Default Application start, Shutdown, Sleep, Hibernate [15:55] ricktimmis: groovy, put it in a pastebin so we can see it, paste.kde.org is good [15:56] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/624218/ [16:01] thanks ricktimmis, now I need to work out how to integrate that in the iso tracker [16:06] Riddell: Is that somethin I could help you with ? [16:06] ricktimmis: alas no that'll be restricted to iso tracker admins [16:06] ricktimmis: but that patch to ubiquity needs testing if you're still looking for useful things to do :) [16:07] Riddell: That's fine. I'm going to try to figure out how to patch the Ubiquity installer with those diff files, and Read a bunch more stuff on Ubuntu.com [16:08] Riddell: Are you reading my mind [16:09] * Riddell psychic [16:10] lol [16:13] Riddell: ksirk doesn't have the GFDL stuff in it. [16:13] ScottK: oh bah and I missed a LGPL, will sort [16:16] libkdegames just migrated. [16:24] Riddell: kapman had some missing copyright attributions. I fixed it and reuploaded. [16:37] Sigh. [16:37] ksirk needs work too. [16:38] ScottK: what sort of work? [16:39] Lot's of the LGPL copyright holders are missing from debian/copyright. I'm fixing it. [16:43] * ScottK walks away in frustration. [16:43] Riddell: If you could take another whack at ksirk (grep -ir copyright * reveals a lot), I would appreciated it. I don't have the patience for it. [16:44] ScottK: will do [16:45] Thanks. [16:45] konquest is testing my sed knowledge with its lack of copyright years and in many cases names (just e-mails) [16:46] "Fun" [17:23] ::runtime-bugs:: [1089483] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.9.2-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: package kde-runtime-d... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1089483 (by Richel Bilderbeek) [17:25] ScottK: ok tried again with ksirk [17:25] Thanks [17:27] ScottK: where did kapman get to? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kapman doesn't say and there's no change in bzr [17:28] I thought I accepted it. [17:28] * ScottK checks [17:28] [11:27:28] [queuebot] New: accepted kapman [source] (raring-proposed) [4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1] [17:29] Riddell: It's there now. [17:29] Riddell: It's deleted in propose and pending in release, so it doesn't show https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kapman/+publishinghistory [17:30] ok found it, updated bzr [17:31] developing kscreen (replacement for krandr) I found that the qjson version is super old, like 2/3 years [17:32] we have 0.7.1 while in the repos there is 0.8.1 (0.8.0 broke ABI ) [17:32] would be nice to update, so users with quantal can use and test kscreen when it comes out (before the years end) [17:32] en case we can't upgrade, then bf0200edbc0645280be9e378b2e2ca2c927aa999 should be backported [17:34] afiestas: hmm, looking at http://qjson.sourceforge.net I can't see any download page [17:36] debian has 0.8.1 in experimental marked as rc-critical for some reason [17:36] marked as rc-buggy [17:36] but I see no bugs [17:39] afiestas: do you mean 0.8.0 broke ABI but 0.8.1 fixed it again? [17:40] yep, that seem the case [17:40] ok a simple sync for raring then and a backport for quantal [17:40] users will need to enable backport repo? [17:41] yeah I'm afraid so [17:41] can't we backport the patch? [17:41] Riddell: Should the kdegames-data dependency in ksirk be versioned? [17:42] Backports are enabled by default. [17:42] If someone installs something that requires the newer version, it should get pulled in. [17:44] Riddell: Changelog says "PPA build" [17:44] :q [17:44] s/:q// [17:44] ScottK meant: "" [17:45] This was not the vim window I was looking for. [17:45] ScottK: bah, reject please [17:46] Riddell: ? [17:46] Riddell: If you have a look at lskat, you can see what I did with the lintian override for the kdegames-data depends [17:47] afiestas: sorry what patch? [17:48] afiestas: oh the one you gave a git commit for, hang on [17:48] yes [18:02] ScottK: hmm I'm not sure this works [18:02] kdegames-data (>= ${source:Version}) [18:03] Why not? [18:03] if ksirk is 4:4.9.90-0ubuntu2 and kdegames is 4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1 then it can't be installed [18:03] Right. [18:03] There's one called upstream version or such. [18:03] That's the one we want. [18:06] there's actually only 1 file in kdegames-data [18:30] OK Folks, got to go, busy tomorrow, back Friday. Will Read MOTU Docs and Continue with Ubiquity stuff [18:30] ciao ricktimmis [18:30] cheerio all [18:32] ScottK: ok tried again with ksirc, added upstream-version and also installed to /usr/games for that weird bit of debian policy [18:32] there's probably a load of other packages need these changes [18:43] Yeah [18:43] Riddell: lskat and kpat need the upstream-version change done. [18:43] That's probably most critical since it can affect installability. [18:46] rbelem: about icecc in raring if you didn't notice it yet: "chown: cannot access ‘/tmp/icecc-envs’: No such file or directory" === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:50] You should also look at the RC bug in Debian that got it removed from Wheezy. [19:09] yofel: found the issue regarding kubuntu-active not depending on anything [19:09] Quintasan_: ^ [19:10] errr [19:10] ? [19:10] sec [19:11] yofel: metapackage-map in the package says : actve kubuntu-active-active [19:11] o.O [19:11] active even [19:11] yeah [19:11] bad mapping [19:11] and fun thing, I don't have upload rights to that package [19:13] for some reason the metapackage-map that is autogenerated maps active to kubuntu-active-active [19:13] and not kubuntu-active [19:13] shadeslayer: That needs to be fixed in seeds. [19:14] I don't know how tbh :P [19:14] ScottK: how are the meta packages refreshed after that? [19:14] yofel: There's an update script in kubuntu-meta [19:14] ah [19:14] But the map comes from the seeds. [19:15] yeah, but I don't have much experience with seeds so can't pin point where the issue comes from [19:15] doesn't change the fact that from what I see kubuntu-dev has no upload permissions for kubuntu-active-meta [19:15] Riddell: the shirt just arrived at my parents' house. Expect a blog post over the weekend. ;-) [19:15] (thanks) [19:15] shadeslayer: can we merge -active into kubuntu-meta? [19:15] errr [19:15] maybe [19:16] well, not that I have that much experience with seeds either ^^ [19:16] I could potentially look at merging that stuff, but the meta package needs to be fixed manually for now [19:21] ScottK: plz2be uploading https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/kubuntu-active-meta_2.0.dsc [19:21] assuming you don't have a better fix [19:21] shadeslayer: No. Fix the seeds. [19:21] how? [19:21] I don't see how we can fix the map [19:22] I don't even know how it's generated [19:23] I also don't understand a couple of other things, like desktop depends on desktop-common in STRUCTURE, but desktop-common is defined in desktop itself, so why do we need it? [19:23] * yofel looks at the seed [19:23] + in STRUCTURE that is [19:25] what's the difference between active and active-ship? [19:26] active-ship is stuff that is on the ISO so that people can connect to the internet [19:26] and download more packages [19:26] or was that ship-live [19:26] "Packages which will be included on the CD for convenience, but are not part of the default set of packages to install. Common examples include: " [19:27] active-ship-live is empty here [19:27] JontheEchidna: excellent :) [19:27] yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement [19:27] ah, thanks [19:28] yofel: any ideas on why active depends on standard? [19:29] when standard is defined in active itself [19:29] no [19:29] :S [19:30] it's same in the desktop seed [19:30] I'm busy a bit right now, will look at this in a bit [19:30] sure [19:30] possibly someone else has an idea [19:39] shadeslayer: presumably a simple s/active-// somewhere would work around it [19:44] hmm [19:44] Riddell: and any ideas why active depends on standard when standard is defined inside active? [19:46] yofel, yup... the changes that i have are for this error message and another security changes [19:47] yofel, https://github.com/icecc/icecream/pull/7 [19:47] nice :) [19:50] shadeslayer: no I think that'll be a bug [19:50] okay [19:51] presumably you also want to rename that to something more active-y [19:51] should be renamed in Task-Seeds: [20:02] shadeslayer: did you fix it yet? [20:02] Quintasan_: the seed? [20:02] on a sidenote, how be me bsns cards looking? [20:02] shadeslayer: yeah [20:02] well ... I'll just merge everything === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [20:02] but tomorrow [20:03] we still don't know why it's called netrunner-active-active [20:03] erm [20:03] kubuntu-active-active [20:03] stupid brain [20:03] Quintasan: and it'll be better if we merge kubuntu-active-meta into kubuntu-meta [20:04] re business cards, see G+ page [20:04] pick one, and then ask for svg [20:04] g+ page? [20:04] links [20:05] I recently did massive purge of people in circles since I was getting way TOO many notifications [20:06] Quintasan: https://plus.google.com/u/0/107577785796696065138/posts/Gu286oib6oT [20:08] hmm, I wonder why http://mooltilab.nazwa.pl/kubuntu/kubuntu_bc.png and http://i.imgur.com/tIjjS.png mix the logo so the gear is at the front of the word [20:09] tbh I really like the back of http://i.imgur.com/tIjjS.png [20:10] We need to decide on one design so we don't all waltz in having differen business cards :P [20:10] well yeah [20:11] Quintasan: choose one, but choose wisely ;) [20:11] ah shit [20:11] karbon is broken [20:11] I can't see the back of http://olbi.linuksowiec.pl/kubuntu/ [20:11] but the front is nice [20:11] really simple [20:11] karbon(708)/koffice (lib komain): "karbon" part.desktop not found. [20:11] but it lacks gpg fingerprint [20:12] Quintasan: opened in inkscape? [20:12] trying now [20:12] because browsers don't really render svg's properly [20:12] not entriely sure what happened there [20:12] but [20:13] http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/12/plasma-desktopHQ2868.png [20:13] the whole background is blue [20:14] but if that's the back and the front looks as it is [20:14] then I like it [20:14] 0.o [20:14] We'll just need to ask the author to fix the background on the back [20:14] Quintasan: don't you like the background on this one : http://i.imgur.com/tIjjS.png [20:15] :P [20:15] add gpg fingerprint and remove the gear laying around on the gront [20:15] front [20:15] uhh the back is nice [20:15] but the front is like [20:15] meh [20:15] yeah, front is not particularly good [20:15] some blue splash which is totally irrelevant imo [20:15] there's also : http://i.imgur.com/lIeKw.png [20:16] but those are badges [20:18] Those look nice but are release dependant [20:18] yeah [20:19] Riddell: Will we have a Council vote on that or something? [20:19] Quintasan: ping Georgi to ask for mockups? [20:19] hm, none of them have a QR-Code on them :/ [20:19] haha [20:19] how does one do a normal un-authenticated bzr checkout -.- [20:20] I don't think you can do that as it implies binding. You can only branch [20:20] okay, how does one branch? [20:20] bzr branch ? [20:20] or does that fail too? [20:20] I meant whats the url? [20:21] should work with the same one... [20:21] only bzr+ssh won't work [20:21] (I could be wrong here...) [20:25] shadeslayer: you ping Georgi [20:25] I asked Michal to fix his SVG's [20:25] heh [20:26] I do like http://olbi.linuksowiec.pl/kubuntu/ - but with an added qrcode at the back [20:30] hmm [20:30] meh, someone with update issues in #kubuntu - can we make kubuntu-desktop essential or something like that -.-? [20:30]