[01:18] <rbelem> danimo, heya
[04:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I uploaded GFDL debian/copyright fixes for all (I think) the games packages I accepted yesterday.
[08:19] <ricktimmis> Wow, there are more folks in here, than appears on the mailing list.
[08:20] <ricktimmis> Hello everybody, Jonathan emailed me and suggested I turn up here and say hi
[08:20] <ricktimmis> Hi all
[08:26] <buildslayer> ricktimmis: hi!
[08:27] <ricktimmis> >buildslayer Hello, thanks for coming back, I'm hoping I can be useful here, and learn some things to
[08:27] <buildslayer> well
[08:27] <buildslayer> what would you like to do>
[08:27] <buildslayer> s/>/?/
[08:27] <kubotu> buildslayer meant: "what would you like to do?"
[08:28] <buildslayer> yofel_: did you get anywhere with the patch last night?
[08:28] <ricktimmis> Well probably be most useful doing some build testing to start with
[08:28] <buildslayer> build testing as in ISO testing? you could write some test cases for us
[08:28] <buildslayer> we sorely lack those
[08:29] <buildslayer> or if you're talking about package testing, there's the KIO MTP package that's undergoing QA right now
[08:29] <ricktimmis> Yes I can probably do that, are their any Docs I could look at ?
[08:29] <buildslayer> not that I know of, but look at Lubuntu's test cases
[08:29] <buildslayer> they're very well done
[08:30] <ricktimmis> To date my biggets problem has been trying to find where everything is
[08:30] <buildslayer> :D
[08:30] <buildslayer> sec
[08:30] <ricktimmis> :-)
[08:30] <buildslayer> ricktimmis: Daily raring builds : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds
[08:30] <buildslayer> Sample test case : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1303/info
[08:31] <ricktimmis> Ah ha, awesome let me look at that stuff and see what I come back, probably loads of questions
[08:31] <buildslayer> sure
[08:31] <buildslayer> I'll be around so just highlight me and I'll try and answer
[08:32] <ricktimmis> Brilliant, thank you..
[08:32] <buildslayer> ricktimmis: you probably won't be able to edit test cases yet, so I suggest saving them locally in text files and then we can figure out who can upload them
[08:33] <ricktimmis> buildslayer: OK No Problem
[08:33] <buildslayer> :)
[08:38] <ricktimmis> OK will do Full Instal test casel to bear metal of Kubuntu Desktop, and log that into a text file.
[08:42] <buildslayer> ricktimmis: oh and if you have a spare machine, there's fortnightly cadence testing that ubuntu does, but we can't do it due to lack of manpower to QA things twice every month
[08:44] <ricktimmis> buildslayer: Yep, I can take care of that for you, I'll find my feet up to Xmas and I can probably take that on as a commitment in 2013. I have an old machine I can use for that.
[08:45] <buildslayer> ricktimmis: note that this entails doing all the 6 test cases
[08:45] <buildslayer> well 7
[08:45] <buildslayer> there's a Non English live session that was added
[08:46] <ricktimmis> OK, well the non-english version will be a problem, Can't speak to all 6 but I can certainly manage the regularity of the schedule.
[08:51] <buildslayer> hm
[08:52] <buildslayer> ricktimmis: best to read : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Raring
[09:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: regarding testing http://mago.ubuntu.com/FrontPage
[09:09] <apachelogger> we carry a thousands of line patch to enable that accessibility magic in Qt
[09:09] <shadeslayer> that looks familiar
[09:09] <apachelogger> but we don't use it
[09:10] <shadeslayer> :(
[09:10] <apachelogger> no one does I reckon
[09:10] <apachelogger> as we introduced the patch for unity-2d and that is dead
[09:10] <shadeslayer> ricktimmis could potentially investigate
[09:13] <apachelogger> depending on the tests you want to do there is little to no need to investigate but rather to implement :P
[09:13] <shadeslayer> I see
[09:13] <apachelogger> start a dolphin instance
[09:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's the difference between mago and autopilot testing?
[09:13] <apachelogger> qdbus `qdbus|grep dolphin` /dolphin/Dolphin_1/actions/new_window org.qtproject.Qt.QAction.trigger
[09:14] <shadeslayer> right
[09:14] <shadeslayer> nice
[09:14] <apachelogger> autopilot testing is a random name for a random test method :P
[09:16] <apachelogger> unless you mean the unity thing?
[09:16] <shadeslayer> the unity thing, yes
[09:17] <apachelogger> it's just unit tests with convenience features for unity
[09:17] <shadeslayer> I also don't understand the difference between an autopkg test and a normal test
[09:17] <shadeslayer> both seem the same to me
[09:17] <shadeslayer> normal test being standard code tests in KDE
[09:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's those?
[09:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/auto-pkg-test.html
[09:18] <shadeslayer> new thing
[09:19] <apachelogger> it's simply a speced part to enable a package to be autotested
[09:20] <apachelogger> it's like your regular build rules but for testing
[09:20] <shadeslayer> hmm
[09:20] <apachelogger> most notible difference from running the tests as part of the build is that since you define a specific test envrionment you may build in chroot A, but test in chroot B
[09:21] <apachelogger> where A and B have different packages installed
[09:21] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:21] <shadeslayer> makes sense
[09:26] <yofel_> shadeslayer: the fuse part looks fine, the kactivities stuff is from ivan but I'm not sure what it actually does - so either we try it out or ask him
[09:27] <shadeslayer> let's ask :)
[09:57] <jussi> shadeslayer: kio-mtp doesnt work for me
[09:57] <jussi> it "stops unexpectedly"
[09:57] <shadeslayer> report a boog
[09:57] <jussi> ok
[09:57] <shadeslayer> jussi: you're pretty adept at making technology fail around you
[09:57] <jussi> where to?
[09:57] <shadeslayer> bugs.kde.org
[09:57] <jussi> shadeslayer: Im a good tester :P
[09:58] <jussi> shadeslayer: ok
[09:58] <shadeslayer> :D
[09:59] <jussi> shadeslayer: its probably because the machine that its on has been upgraded like a million times and I dont remember the last time I formatted it, so its probably cruft somewhere. But still, if it is, you need to know about that...
[09:59] <shadeslayer> uhh ... well ... I can't say in that case
[09:59] <shadeslayer> it's a new KIO Slave binary
[09:59] <shadeslayer> so not sure if old cruft will affect it
[10:00] <shadeslayer> do things like ftp work fine?
[10:00] <shadeslayer> or smb
[10:01] <apachelogger> chances are libmtp is is causing it
[10:01] <apachelogger> -is
[10:01] <apachelogger> in my experience that bugger likes to crash when unexpected things happen (it's what a good library does :P)
[10:06] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1046820] touch support seems broken since qt4-x11-4.8.1 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046820 (by Canmor Lam)
[10:08] <jussi> apachelogger: likelty
[10:08] <jussi> shadeslayer: all of those work fine
[10:08] <shadeslayer> heh
[10:08] <shadeslayer> jussi: then it's not your install
[10:08] <shadeslayer> it's kio-mtp or libmtp
[10:09] <jussi> ok. I guess the latter
[10:11] <apachelogger> who wants to give input?
[10:11] <apachelogger> on a bug
[10:23] <Riddell> hi ricktimmis 
[10:25] <jussi> apachelogger: spit it out...
[10:26] <apachelogger> bug 886946
[10:26] <apachelogger> plymouth apparently does not let the user specify which virtual terminal to use
[10:26] <apachelogger> now our plymouth integration patch always reuses the plymouth VT
[10:27] <apachelogger> so the user can in fact not configure this at all
[10:27] <shadeslayer> why would someone want configure that
[10:27] <apachelogger> options for resolution are saying that plymouth needs to fix it, or since we do not use KDM by default anymore simply remove the plymouth integration patch
[10:27] <apachelogger> (the patch only enables smooth transitioning from plymouth to kdm)
[10:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I have no idea
[10:29] <shadeslayer> ask for a usecase?
[10:29] <shadeslayer> not everything that is configurable should be configurable
[10:30] <apachelogger> that sentence does not make sense
[10:30] <apachelogger> at any rate the bug is legit
[10:30] <apachelogger> you can specify the VT in grub and in KDM
[10:31] <apachelogger> but neither apparently will have effect as long as plymouth is in the picture
[11:41] <apachelogger> bug 554484 would support removing the patch
[11:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: what patch?
[11:42] <apachelogger> plymouth integration for kdm
[11:43] <apachelogger> so that we reuse its VT
[11:44] <Riddell> you think that adds a delay on login?
[11:46] <apachelogger> it does break login in that instance
[11:46] <apachelogger> because kdm for some reason cannot start X
[11:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: see mail on list
[11:46] <apachelogger> (that patch should be carried upstream or dropped IMHO)
[11:48] <Riddell> well yeah drop it if it causes problems
[11:53] <apachelogger> ah, wrong bug
[11:53] <apachelogger> bug 665195 
[11:53] <apachelogger> also wrong
[11:53]  * apachelogger looks at klipper and goes Oo
[11:54] <apachelogger> bug 578732
[12:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: didn't you fix bug 641712
[12:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: also bug 553567
[12:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1035460 ... delta yes/no?
[12:12]  * apachelogger leans towards no
[12:30] <rbelem> shadeslayer, heya :-)
[12:30] <rbelem> shadeslayer, anything that i could help today? :-)
[12:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: nah leave it
[13:03] <Riddell> Quintasan_: maliit review on kubuntu-devel
[13:05]  * apachelogger hides
[13:05] <rbelem> hi Riddell :-)
[13:06] <rbelem> Riddell, how r u doing?
[13:06] <rbelem> Riddell, I have more changes for icecc
[13:09] <rbelem> Riddell, and i found a bug on it for quantal and newer
[13:25] <ricktimmis> Got a problem 13.04 starting X fails, Xorg.log report EE /dev/card0 and fb0 do not exist. I tried nomodeset, as per Googling but no joy, anyone come across this issue. Old PC using an SIS Video Card
[13:27] <Riddell> rbelem: what's needed?
[13:28] <Riddell> ricktimmis: not I, file a bug I guess attaching the log
[13:29] <ricktimmis> Sure, I will do that, BUT it maybe it's just this machine, I will on another box to check. Just wondered if anyone had seen this before, and could say Ah Ha do this..
[13:29] <ricktimmis> Test on another box sorry
[13:38] <Riddell> ricktimmis: well it's probably video card specific
[13:40] <ricktimmis> Ridell: Yes it appears to be so, I have begun testing again on another box and X has started successfully. I will try to chase down the SIS issue, once I have an id on the Card, if its a fairly common GPU Card I will puruse a fix,
[13:41] <Riddell> ricktimmis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting might be useful
[13:42] <ricktimmis> Riddell: Thanx
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: We fixed it by switching to light-dm.
[14:50] <rbelem> Riddell, it is not working for local jobs, but I didn't investigate futher
[15:06] <Riddell> rbelem: what's that?
[15:15] <ricktimmis> The installer user info. Should Require pwd, Auto Login, and Encrypt home, radio buttons all be Mutex ?
[15:17] <Riddell> ricktimmis: there a change for that about it go in
[15:18] <Riddell> makes Encrypt a tick box
[15:18] <Riddell> ricktimmis: and actually it could do with a testing :)
[15:18] <ricktimmis> Riddell: Got it OK, well this is a good opportunity for me to see if I can find that in the Bug Tracker.
[15:19] <Riddell> https://code.launchpad.net/~kitterman/ubiquity/encryptcheckbox_fix/+merge/138844
[15:19] <ricktimmis> Riddell: Brilliant thank you
[15:22] <Riddell> ricktimmis: here's the diff, if you are able to then apply it to the files on your live system and run ubiquity to see if it works http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/DIFF
[15:38] <rbelem> Riddell, it accepts external jobs, but raises an exception for local ones when building anything
[15:38] <Riddell> rbelem: what does?
[15:42] <rbelem> Riddell, the changes?
[15:43] <Riddell> rbelem: oh, icecc
[15:43] <rbelem> :-D
[15:48] <ScottK> Riddell: killbots ksirk konquest still need doing as well.  I'd previously rejected them for debian/copyright in completeness.
[15:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I think I should drop the block on libkdegames.  Quite a number of the games are migrating because the lib didn't bump SO name so blocking it doesn't do much good.
[15:49] <ricktimmis> I believe I have a Live Install test case doc, written. Buildslayer asked me to create it in a Textfile, I have an ODT at present
[15:49] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah I'm onto those ones now
[15:49] <ScottK> Great.
[15:49] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead and drop the block
[15:50] <ScottK> Will do.
[15:50] <Riddell> ricktimmis: buildslayer is more normally shadeslayer or outside of irc is rohan
[15:51] <ScottK> Done.
[15:51] <Riddell> ricktimmis: what does the test case doc cover?
[15:53] <ricktimmis> Riddell: Install from USB, Testing Boot Menu options, and functions, Language testing, Install Process, Reboot to desktop, Desktop functions, Task Switching, Activities and Widgets, Default Application start, Shutdown, Sleep, Hibernate
[15:55] <Riddell> ricktimmis: groovy, put it in a pastebin so we can see it, paste.kde.org is good
[15:56] <ricktimmis> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/624218/
[16:01] <Riddell> thanks ricktimmis, now I need to work out how to integrate that in the iso tracker
[16:06] <ricktimmis> Riddell: Is that somethin I could help you with ?
[16:06] <Riddell> ricktimmis: alas no that'll be restricted to iso tracker admins
[16:06] <Riddell> ricktimmis: but that patch to ubiquity needs testing if you're still looking for useful things to do :)
[16:07] <ricktimmis> Riddell: That's fine. I'm going to try to figure out how to patch the Ubiquity installer with those diff files, and Read a bunch more stuff on Ubuntu.com
[16:08] <ricktimmis> Riddell: Are you reading my mind
[16:09]  * Riddell psychic
[16:10] <ricktimmis> lol
[16:13] <ScottK> Riddell: ksirk doesn't have the GFDL stuff in it.
[16:13] <Riddell> ScottK: oh bah and I missed a LGPL, will sort
[16:16] <ScottK> libkdegames just migrated.
[16:24] <ScottK> Riddell: kapman had some missing copyright attributions.  I fixed it and reuploaded.
[16:37] <ScottK> Sigh.
[16:37] <ScottK> ksirk needs work too.
[16:38] <Riddell> ScottK: what sort of work?
[16:39] <ScottK> Lot's of the LGPL copyright holders are missing from debian/copyright.  I'm fixing it.
[16:43]  * ScottK walks away in frustration.
[16:43] <ScottK> Riddell: If you could take another whack at ksirk (grep -ir copyright * reveals a lot), I would appreciated it.  I don't have the patience for it.
[16:44] <Riddell> ScottK: will do
[16:45] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:45] <Riddell> konquest is testing my sed knowledge with its lack of copyright years and in many cases names (just e-mails)
[16:46] <ScottK> "Fun"
[17:23] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1089483] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.9.2-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: package kde-runtime-d... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1089483 (by Richel Bilderbeek)
[17:25] <Riddell> ScottK: ok tried again with ksirk
[17:25] <ScottK> Thanks
[17:27] <Riddell> ScottK: where did kapman get to?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kapman doesn't say and there's no change in bzr
[17:28] <ScottK> I thought I accepted it.
[17:28]  * ScottK checks
[17:28] <ScottK> [11:27:28] [queuebot] New: accepted kapman [source] (raring-proposed) [4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1]
[17:29] <ScottK> Riddell: It's there now.
[17:29] <ScottK> Riddell: It's deleted in propose and pending in release, so it doesn't show https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kapman/+publishinghistory
[17:30] <Riddell> ok found it, updated bzr
[17:31] <afiestas> developing kscreen (replacement for krandr) I found that the qjson version is super old, like 2/3 years
[17:32] <afiestas> we have 0.7.1 while in the repos there is 0.8.1  (0.8.0 broke ABI )
[17:32] <afiestas> would be nice to update, so users with quantal can use and test kscreen when it comes out (before the years end)
[17:32] <afiestas> en case we can't upgrade, then bf0200edbc0645280be9e378b2e2ca2c927aa999 should be backported
[17:34] <Riddell> afiestas: hmm, looking at http://qjson.sourceforge.net I can't see any download page
[17:36] <Riddell> debian has 0.8.1 in experimental marked as rc-critical for some reason
[17:36] <Riddell> marked as rc-buggy
[17:36] <Riddell> but I see no bugs
[17:39] <Riddell> afiestas: do you mean 0.8.0 broke ABI but 0.8.1 fixed it again?
[17:40] <afiestas> yep, that seem the case
[17:40] <Riddell> ok a simple sync for raring then and a backport for quantal
[17:40] <afiestas> users will need to enable backport repo?
[17:41] <Riddell> yeah I'm afraid so
[17:41] <afiestas> can't we backport the patch?
[17:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Should the kdegames-data dependency in ksirk be versioned?
[17:42] <ScottK> Backports are enabled by default.
[17:42] <ScottK> If someone installs something that requires the newer version, it should get pulled in.
[17:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Changelog says "PPA build"
[17:44] <ScottK> :q
[17:44] <ScottK> s/:q//
[17:44] <kubotu> ScottK meant: ""
[17:45] <ScottK> This was not the vim window I was looking for.
[17:45] <Riddell> ScottK: bah, reject please
[17:46] <afiestas> Riddell: ?
[17:46] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have a look at lskat, you can see what I did with the lintian override for the kdegames-data depends
[17:47] <Riddell> afiestas: sorry what patch?
[17:48] <Riddell> afiestas: oh the one you gave a git commit for, hang on
[17:48] <afiestas> yes
[18:02] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm I'm not sure this works
[18:02] <Riddell> kdegames-data (>= ${source:Version})
[18:03] <ScottK> Why not?
[18:03] <Riddell> if ksirk is 4:4.9.90-0ubuntu2 and kdegames is 4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1 then it can't be installed
[18:03] <ScottK> Right.
[18:03] <ScottK> There's one called upstream version or such.
[18:03] <ScottK> That's the one we want.
[18:06] <Riddell> there's actually only 1 file in kdegames-data
[18:30] <ricktimmis> OK Folks, got to go, busy tomorrow, back Friday. Will Read MOTU Docs and Continue with Ubiquity stuff 
[18:30] <Riddell> ciao ricktimmis 
[18:30] <ricktimmis> cheerio all
[18:32] <Riddell> ScottK: ok tried again with ksirc, added upstream-version and also installed to /usr/games for that weird bit of debian policy
[18:32] <Riddell> there's probably a load of other packages need these changes
[18:43] <ScottK> Yeah
[18:43] <ScottK> Riddell: lskat and kpat need the upstream-version change done.
[18:43] <ScottK> That's probably most critical since it can affect installability.
[18:46] <yofel_> rbelem: about icecc in raring if you didn't notice it yet: "chown: cannot access ‘/tmp/icecc-envs’: No such file or directory" 
[18:50] <ScottK> You should also look at the RC bug in Debian that got it removed from Wheezy.
[19:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: found the issue regarding kubuntu-active not depending on anything
[19:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: ^
[19:10] <shadeslayer> errr
[19:10] <yofel> ?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> sec
[19:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: metapackage-map in the package says : actve kubuntu-active-active
[19:11] <yofel> o.O
[19:11] <shadeslayer> active even
[19:11] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:11] <shadeslayer> bad mapping
[19:11] <shadeslayer> and fun thing, I don't have upload rights to that package
[19:13] <shadeslayer> for some reason the metapackage-map that is autogenerated maps active to kubuntu-active-active
[19:13] <shadeslayer> and not kubuntu-active
[19:13] <ScottK> shadeslayer: That needs to be fixed in seeds.
[19:14] <shadeslayer> I don't know how tbh :P
[19:14] <yofel> ScottK: how are the meta packages refreshed after that?
[19:14] <ScottK> yofel: There's an update script in kubuntu-meta
[19:14] <yofel> ah
[19:14] <ScottK> But the map comes from the seeds.
[19:15] <shadeslayer> yeah, but I don't have much experience with seeds so can't pin point where the issue comes from
[19:15] <yofel> doesn't change the fact that from what I see kubuntu-dev has no upload permissions for kubuntu-active-meta
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: the shirt just arrived at my parents' house. Expect a blog post over the weekend. ;-)
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> (thanks)
[19:15] <yofel> shadeslayer: can we merge -active into kubuntu-meta?
[19:15] <shadeslayer> errr
[19:15] <shadeslayer> maybe
[19:16] <yofel> well, not that I have that much experience with seeds either ^^
[19:16] <shadeslayer> I could potentially look at merging that stuff, but the meta package needs to be fixed manually for now
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: plz2be uploading https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/kubuntu-active-meta_2.0.dsc
[19:21] <shadeslayer> assuming you don't have a better fix
[19:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No.  Fix the seeds.
[19:21] <shadeslayer> how?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> I don't see how we can fix the map
[19:22] <shadeslayer> I don't even know how it's generated
[19:23] <shadeslayer> I also don't understand a couple of other things, like desktop depends on desktop-common in STRUCTURE, but desktop-common is defined in desktop itself, so why do we need it?
[19:23]  * yofel looks at the seed
[19:23] <shadeslayer> + in STRUCTURE that is
[19:25] <yofel> what's the difference between active and active-ship?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> active-ship is stuff that is on the ISO so that people can connect to the internet
[19:26] <shadeslayer> and download more packages
[19:26] <shadeslayer> or was that ship-live
[19:26] <shadeslayer> "Packages which will be included on the CD for convenience, but are not part of the default set of packages to install. Common examples include: "
[19:27] <yofel> active-ship-live is empty here
[19:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: excellent :)
[19:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[19:27] <yofel> ah, thanks
[19:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: any ideas on why active depends on standard?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> when standard is defined in active itself
[19:29] <yofel> no
[19:29] <shadeslayer> :S
[19:30] <shadeslayer> it's same in the desktop seed
[19:30] <yofel> I'm busy a bit right now, will look at this in a bit
[19:30] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:30] <shadeslayer> possibly someone else has an idea
[19:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: presumably a simple s/active-// somewhere would work around it
[19:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and any ideas why active depends on standard when standard is defined inside active?
[19:46] <rbelem> yofel, yup... the changes that i have are for this error message and another security changes
[19:47] <rbelem> yofel, https://github.com/icecc/icecream/pull/7
[19:47] <yofel> nice :)
[19:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no I think that'll be a bug
[19:50] <shadeslayer> okay
[19:51] <shadeslayer> presumably you also want to rename that to something more active-y
[19:51] <Riddell> should be renamed in Task-Seeds:
[20:02] <Quintasan_> shadeslayer: did you fix it yet?
[20:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: the seed?
[20:02] <Quintasan_> on a sidenote, how be me bsns cards looking?
[20:02] <Quintasan_> shadeslayer: yeah
[20:02] <shadeslayer> well ... I'll just merge everything
[20:02] <shadeslayer> but tomorrow
[20:03] <shadeslayer> we still don't know why it's called netrunner-active-active
[20:03] <shadeslayer> erm
[20:03] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-active-active
[20:03] <shadeslayer> stupid brain
[20:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: and it'll be better if we merge kubuntu-active-meta into kubuntu-meta
[20:04] <shadeslayer> re business cards, see G+ page
[20:04] <shadeslayer> pick one, and then ask for svg
[20:04] <Quintasan> g+ page?
[20:04] <Quintasan> links
[20:05] <Quintasan> I recently did massive purge of people in circles since I was getting way TOO many notifications
[20:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://plus.google.com/u/0/107577785796696065138/posts/Gu286oib6oT
[20:08] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder why http://mooltilab.nazwa.pl/kubuntu/kubuntu_bc.png and http://i.imgur.com/tIjjS.png mix the logo so the gear is at the front of the word
[20:09] <shadeslayer> tbh I really like the back of http://i.imgur.com/tIjjS.png
[20:10] <Quintasan> We need to decide on one design so we don't all waltz in having differen business cards :P
[20:10] <shadeslayer> well yeah
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: choose one, but choose wisely ;)
[20:11] <shadeslayer> ah shit
[20:11] <shadeslayer> karbon is broken
[20:11] <Quintasan> I can't see the back of http://olbi.linuksowiec.pl/kubuntu/
[20:11] <Quintasan> but the front is nice
[20:11] <Quintasan> really simple
[20:11] <shadeslayer> karbon(708)/koffice (lib komain): "karbon" part.desktop not found. 
[20:11] <Quintasan> but it lacks gpg fingerprint
[20:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: opened in inkscape?
[20:12] <Quintasan> trying now
[20:12] <shadeslayer> because browsers don't really render svg's properly
[20:12] <Quintasan> not entriely sure what happened there
[20:12] <Quintasan> but
[20:13] <Quintasan> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/12/plasma-desktopHQ2868.png
[20:13] <Quintasan> the whole background is blue
[20:14] <Quintasan> but if that's the back and the front looks as it is
[20:14] <Quintasan> then I like it
[20:14] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[20:14] <Quintasan> We'll just need to ask the author to fix the background on the back
[20:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: don't you like the background on this one : http://i.imgur.com/tIjjS.png
[20:15] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:15] <Quintasan> add gpg fingerprint and remove the gear laying around on the gront
[20:15] <Quintasan> front
[20:15] <Quintasan> uhh the back is nice
[20:15] <Quintasan> but the front is like
[20:15] <Quintasan> meh
[20:15] <shadeslayer> yeah, front is not particularly good
[20:15] <Quintasan> some blue splash which is totally irrelevant imo
[20:15] <shadeslayer> there's also : http://i.imgur.com/lIeKw.png
[20:16] <shadeslayer> but those are badges
[20:18] <Quintasan> Those look nice but are release dependant
[20:18] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: Will we have a Council vote on that or something?
[20:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ping Georgi to ask for mockups?
[20:19] <yofel> hm, none of them have a QR-Code on them :/
[20:19] <shadeslayer> haha
[20:19] <shadeslayer> how does one do a normal un-authenticated bzr checkout -.-
[20:20] <yofel> I don't think you can do that as it implies binding. You can only branch
[20:20] <shadeslayer> okay, how does one branch?
[20:20] <yofel> bzr branch ?
[20:20] <yofel> or does that fail too?
[20:20] <shadeslayer> I meant whats the url?
[20:21] <yofel> should work with the same one...
[20:21] <yofel> only bzr+ssh won't work
[20:21] <yofel> (I could be wrong here...)
[20:25] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you ping Georgi
[20:25] <Quintasan> I asked Michal to fix his SVG's
[20:25] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:26] <yofel> I do like http://olbi.linuksowiec.pl/kubuntu/  - but with an added qrcode at the back
[20:30] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:30] <yofel> meh, someone with update issues in #kubuntu - can we make kubuntu-desktop essential or something like that -.-?
[20:30] <yofel> and I can't reproduce it again
[20:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can we get give Georgi some time to mock them up?
[20:32] <shadeslayer> because apparently he's short on time :P
[20:32] <Quintasan> Well, I don't mind
[20:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: deferred till tomorrow :)
[20:36] <shadeslayer> metapackage_map/ seed (optional, deprecated)
[20:36] <shadeslayer> The metapackage name to output for seed If not specified, will look for the name of the source package in which it is being run, remove "meta" from the end, and append the seed name. This option is usually no longer necessary; use a Task-Metapackage header in the seed file instead
[20:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: I don't think upstream wants us to separate maliit-settings from libmaliit
[20:44] <Tygart> how would I update Qt libraries to 4.8.4
[20:44] <shadeslayer> errr
[20:44] <Tygart> this is responding to Bug 311235
[20:44] <shadeslayer> we haven't packaged 4.8.4 have we?
[20:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm also not sure how did you get W: libmaliit1: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames
[20:44] <Tygart> thats wrong
[20:45] <shadeslayer> latest is 4.8.3
[20:45] <shadeslayer> in the archive that is
[20:45] <Tygart> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311235#c2
[20:45] <Quintasan> It's probably because the release version is 0.93.0 and the library name has 1.0.so<something>
[20:45] <shadeslayer> hm odd
[20:45] <shadeslayer> Tygart: I didn't get that when I upgraded
[20:46] <Tygart> my bug happens every time I update.
[20:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think I'll ask Mikhas to get rid of that crap since it's a way for pain
[20:49] <Quintasan> a way of asking for*
[20:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: I emailed mikhas about the soname stuff, I believe things like usr/lib/libmaliit-settings-1.0.so should be just libmallit-settings.so.1.0 or something
[20:59] <Quintasan> the -1.0 is the bane there
[20:59] <Quintasan> and the tests fail as well
[21:30] <ScottK> Riddell: I decided poor ksirk had been tortured enough and accepted it.
[22:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Fixed kpat and lskat (where were the other two games with the kdegame-data versioned dependency.
[23:03] <d_ed> heads up, LightDM-kde 0.3.1 just been uploaded to KDE FTP, will do a release Thursday evening. 
[23:05] <Riddell> d_ed: gosh is it important enough to have a secret pre-release for packagers?
[23:05] <Riddell> will we get in trouble if we upload it before thursday?
[23:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: on the business cards I think whoever gets round to getting a quote from a printers first can pick a design
[23:09] <d_ed> no, it's not that important.
[23:10] <d_ed> I'm just on a plane soon for 12 hours.. 
[23:10] <Riddell> oh good.  you and your jet setting lifestyle :)
[23:10] <d_ed> I hate it! this conference has been sooooooooooo dull
[23:11] <d_ed> anyway, I was just saying because you're my fave distro :)
[23:11] <Riddell> Qt devs?  surely they'd all be keen to contribute to KDE
[23:11] <d_ed> QtDev was awesome
[23:12] <Riddell> you're my fave login manager developer :)
[23:12] <d_ed> I'm currently back on my actual work, in the "International Symposium of Multimedia"
[23:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: I still think we should vote on which one we should use :P
[23:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: go ahead and run one then, http://www.cs.cornell.edu/andru/civs.html
[23:14] <d_ed> ooh, I saw some of those mockups - they were amazing
[23:14] <d_ed> Almost enough to make me want to work on Kubuntu
[23:15] <Riddell> Kubuntu: the distro with the best business cards
[23:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: Will set up a poll tomorrow
[23:17] <d_ed> and i'll vote!
[23:24]  * ScottK read poll and troll for a minute.