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didrocksgood morning05:47
pittiGood morning06:37
didrocksguten morgen pitti! How are you?06:38
pittididrocks: un peu fatigue, mais bien, merci! et toi?06:42
didrockspitti: bien bien! :-)06:43
pittididrocks: quand commence-tu tes vacances?06:43
didrockspitti: vendredi soir, et toi?06:44
pittià demain (looks up Thursday) jeudi06:44
didrocksoh super! :)06:44
didrocksj'espère que tu en profiteras bien :)06:45
pitti"profiteras"?06:45
didrocks"enjoy"06:46
didrocks(in future)06:46
didrocksfrom "profiter"06:46
pittiah06:46
didrocksit can have a bad connotation sometimes though06:46
didrockslike:06:47
didrocksyou can "profite" from someone06:47
pittididrocks: looking forward to some quiet days next week to get to some of my research projects for mocking hardware, etc.06:47
pittias I guess many folks will already be on holiday06:47
didrocksbut apart from that case, it's a possitive one :)06:47
didrocksoh?06:47
didrocksso you will continue touching computers? :)06:47
pittididrocks: I meant "next Thursday"06:50
pitti"demain jeudi" != "next Thu"?06:50
didrocksdemain jeudi == Thursday as of "tomorrow", so from the 12th06:50
pittioh06:51
didrocksyou wanted to tell the one after?06:51
pittiright06:51
didrocksok, it's "jeudi en huit (8)", but only old people (and I) seems to tell that ;)06:52
pittioh, interesting -- old people in Germany say that, too06:52
pitti"Donnerstag in 8 Tagen"06:52
didrocksheh, most of the time, when I'm telling that, I need to explain what I meant ;)06:52
pittibut most folks just say "this Thu" vs. "next Thu"06:52
didrocksI find that useful though06:52
pittiyeah, it's a really useful phrase -- much more precise06:53
didrocksok, we use the exact date to remove confusion06:53
pittije commence mes vacances à la 20e06:53
didrockshéhé, je commence mes vacances bien avant donc, vendredi 14 au soir06:54
didrocksoh btw, is that a frenchism?06:54
didrockslike, we always tell that we start the holidays by the evening of the day you are leaving for holidays06:54
didrocksand getting back by the morning you are back to work06:54
* achiang specifies all dates in unix epoch to avoid above problems... "can we meet for dinner at 1355342049?"06:54
didrocksachiang: ahah, I'm sure you feel alone most of the time you try to set that up! :)06:54
achiangdidrocks: ah, but the person who comes to dinner, we will have a GREAT conversation! :)06:55
didrocksI remember that using this kind of "evening/morning" confused my japanese teacher, they just use like "from saturday to sunday"06:55
didrocksachiang: indeed, that's a kind of natural selection :-)06:55
pittididrocks: at least we don't say that in Germany; we say the first and the last full holiday06:56
didrocksyou don't enjoy the full time of your holidays! we do :-)06:56
pittididrocks: try that if you start working at 5 :)06:56
didrocksfair enough ;)06:57
didrocksoh oh oh my launchpadlib, why do you keep corrupting the cache?06:57
didrocks(because it's multiprocess, I know, and you don't support that…)06:58
pittiyou just don't hug it enough07:01
didrocksseems so :)07:04
didrocksit strikes back: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/cu2d/ :)07:04
brycedidrocks, oh how familiar I am with that bug.07:51
didrocksbryce: I fully trust you on that one :)07:51
brycedidrocks, I used to hit that all the time with arsenal.07:51
didrocksyeah, I wonder how easy/hard, it will be to directly fix it07:52
brycefinally just wrote a tool to locate the bad cache file and delete it.  :-P07:52
didrockslike writing in .tmp07:52
didrocksand move it07:52
brycehmm, I never could get the LP folks interested, but I dug into it a bit myself and it looked like maybe you could wrap the call that's trying to read from cache in a try, and on except just pretend the cache didn't exist and requery from the network07:53
brycedidrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/54540107:55
ubot2`Launchpad bug 545401 in Launchpad itself "httplib.IncompleteRead: IncompleteRead received from launchpad" [High,Triaged]07:55
didrocksbryce: yeah, and redownload that in the cache07:56
bryce# Clear broken cache files from launchpadlib cache hourly08:00
bryce 01  * * * * cd $LPLTK_CACHE && json_check $LPLTK_CACHE | xargs --no-run-if-empty rm -v08:00
brycedidrocks, https://lists.launchpad.net/arsenal-user/msg00008.html08:00
didrocksbryce: thanks! I think I'll rather use one cache per job08:02
brycedidrocks, by that you mean discard the cache after every run?08:03
didrocksbryce: no, I just set a dir by different process08:03
didrocksas my jobs are named differently, I can differentiate on that08:03
didrocksand having one cache dir for each08:03
brycedidrocks, was that a recommendation by the LP folks?08:16
didrocksbryce: not sure, but it works for most of my processes08:16
didrocksbryce: cleaning the cache every hours won't, as it will fail the whole process and I need to wait for the next day08:17
didrocksor relaunch manually08:17
brycedidrocks, hmm, interesting.08:20
bryceok, vacation time for me, cya all in a week.08:20
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seb128hey desktopers09:01
didrockssalut seb128!09:01
seb128lut didrocks09:01
seb128brrrr, it's cold today09:02
seb128-6°C this morning09:02
didrocks-6 here09:02
didrocksoh! :)09:02
seb128;-)09:02
didrocksfeeling the pain then :)09:02
Laneyhey09:05
Laneyonly -3 "Freezing Fog" here ;-)09:05
didrocksLaney: some sun here! So I guess it's relatively better :-)09:05
Laneyheh09:07
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solanceranyone who can fix this PPA https://launchpad.net/~ikarosdev/+archive/unity-revamped12:48
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solanceryo13:47
solanceranyone here into C++13:47
didrockssolancer: you already asked here and on #ubuntu-unity, Mirv answered you13:48
* rvr_ wonders why the save dialog has "Recently Used" as the default 'folder', if nothing can be created there13:51
didrockspitti: can you please bump the priority for https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/4057051? It started 14 hours ago, got down to 8 minutes and now 39 minutes. Then, we have to wait for 3 publisher round to get it in main (it's a source package rename) to not break anything during the night14:07
pittididrocks: done14:08
didrocksthanks :)14:08
jcastro_mdeslaur_: I think that reddit post about that empathy picture is actually a gtalk service feature.14:12
jcastro_mdeslaur_: on their windows client if you update the picture it transparently just updates it across the service.14:13
jcastro_I think empathy is just replicating the standard expected behavior there.14:13
jcastro_(I haven't used the window client in a long time, so my information might be out of date)14:13
mdeslaur_jcastro_: he's saying empathy automatically picks up your user icon, but I can't see it doing that14:16
mdeslaur_jcastro_: unlike pidgin, which does in fact use your ~/.face icon14:17
jcastro_ah14:17
jcastro_is .face the one we set in the installer?14:17
mdeslaur_yes14:17
Sweetsha1kseb128: http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/libreoffice-test-marathon-bibisect-4-0-and-ubuntu-packages/ <- the long version of the status update yesterday.14:38
seb128Sweetsha1k, k14:39
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micahgLaney: any idea what happened to webkit on powerpc?15:18
Laneytimed out, retried15:18
Laneyhoping ross is better than adare ...15:19
micahghrm, I'm tempted to leave -gstabs in for this upload then an just push it (I had trouble with timeouts without -gstabs on oneiric as well, didn't actually test my theory yet though)15:19
micahgI wouldn't mind iterating so much if it wasn't a 12(powerpc)-24(arm*) hour wait :)15:20
micahgthanks15:20
czajkowskimicahg: need something done sooner ?15:22
Laneyit's just a long build15:22
czajkowskiah ok15:22
Laneyppc is at a link step atm15:22
Laneythis is probably where it will time out if that's going to happen15:23
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Laneynot looking good ...15:52
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seb128pitti, still working?16:43
Laneyooh it moved on16:44
plarsis https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1080437 likely related to the recent move to  compiz?16:47
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1080437 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "no background during the 13.04 daily install" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:47
didrocksxnox: ^16:48
didrocksplars: xnox is the ubiquity upstream, he would know more :)16:48
xnoxplars: no.16:48
xnoxplars: but troubleshooting would be welcome, because e.g. standard background on raring install in kvm is grayscale.16:49
xnoxplars: I am suspecting kernel, but I have no good ways to discuss it.16:51
plarsxnox: it's greyscale?16:52
plarsxnox: it doesn't look greyscale to me on hardware and on vbox - is this a kvm specific thing?16:53
xnoxplars: installing raring in KVM VM, boot, login try changing the backgrounds - all of them are approx 8-bit grayscale with some distant recollection of intended pattern, note that the unity launcher is still full technicolor.16:53
plarsxnox: ah, are you using the default cirrus driver?16:53
xnoxplars: yes, it might be a separate issue, but the two issues together don't help me debug the background problem.16:53
mvoglatzor_: when you have a moment, could you check https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/aptdaemon/send-signal-on-auth-fail please? it will allow a process like unity to know that the transaction failed to authenticate.16:54
* xnox doesn't know if it's there or not there. It's all black....16:54
plarsxnox: yes, that driver is known to have a lot of trouble... that's a whole other story.  there's an easy workaround though, boot kvm with -vga std16:54
xnoxplars: ok, i will set that in virt-manager and see if I can isolate one thing from another.16:55
xnoxplars: even if cirrus has problems, it's still a regression since both precise & quantal come up with color background cirrus or not cirrus.16:55
plarsxnox: iirc, we had lots of trouble with it under quantal, I'll see if I can dig up the bug on that16:56
xnoxplars: yeah a kernel driver was enabled and later disabled in quantal, i wonder if it got re-enabled for raring.16:56
xnoxplars: maybe we should poke #-kernel about it =)16:57
plarsxnox: looking at an upgrade issue right now, but will see if I can hunt down the older bug we had open on this in a bit and poke them.  Using -vga std should help in the meantime though16:58
plarsxnox: I was just hoping that maybe it was yet another compiz related issue with the dm-ubiquity session16:59
xnoxplars: it was present pre-compiz flip.16:59
plarsnot that I'm wishing for compiz problems - hopefully it didn't come out that way though16:59
plarsah, true17:00
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seb128pitti, seems not, anyway the context was: did you see that before:17:07
seb128$ DISPLAY=:0 python -c "from gi.repository import GObject"17:08
seb128...17:08
seb128    from ._gi import _API, Repository17:08
seb128ImportError: could not import gobject (error was: MemoryError())17:08
seb128 17:08
seb128pitti, it's happening on my nexus upgraded to raring, it could be a "not enough memory" issue since the device has no swap but I freed 160Mb, that ought to be enough to import gobject...17:08
glatzor_hello mvo17:29
glatzor_mvo, I don't know if the transaction should fail if the auth failed17:30
glatzor_mvo, this would allow to a denial of service attack17:30
glatzor_mvo, since you could block any transactions of any other user by just listening on the bus for new transaction and letting the run() method fail17:31
glatzor_mvo, oh wait the check forgein method would forbid this. the attacker could only block the transactions of the current user.17:33
mterryseb128, did I miss the meeting?17:46
seb128mterry, you did, and I missed that you were taking a vac day yesterday until I checked the admin website today :p17:47
seb128mterry, I wish we had team holidays integrated in a desktop calendar17:47
mterryseb128, oh!  haha17:47
seb128we would need to have a desktop calendar first though :p17:47
mterryseb128, I thought today was Tuesday still17:48
seb128lol17:48
seb128mterry, I think that day is over in all timezones17:48
mterryseb128, stupid question since it's Wed.  But yeah, sorry I didn't give a heads up17:48
seb128;-)17:48
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