[14:51] Anyone looking for a cheap desktop... [14:51] These amd e-450 motherboard/cpu combos are pretty good [14:51] doubt it will do THAT great gaming...but my kinda stuff...works REALLY well [14:52] just no fullscreen full hd youtube [14:52] but even though it's only a dualcore 1.6ghz, it has virtualization support [14:53] I'm browsing the web, while installing windows xp in a kvm vm...and it's still responsive. [14:55] actually bought this setup to run freenas, but while I'm waiting on more parts, I thought I'd test it out for running vm's [15:52] sounds like a good value [15:52] specially at about $80 [15:52] with 8gb of ram it's just a hair over $100 [15:55] I spent a bit more than that on my FreeNAS setup... but the great thing about FreeNAS is it'll probably run just great on that hardware [15:55] no reason to spend more [15:55] i just got 4 of the wd red drives too... [15:55] nice [15:55] haven't tested them for bad sectors yet though [15:56] probably should have ordered 5, cause my luck there will be some DOA ones [15:57] hope not ... but a good idea to check [15:59] so what all do you use your freenas box for? [15:59] and any data corruption or other bad problems? [16:00] backup more than anything - I hold images of drives and redundant copies of things there [16:01] I really had just gotten sick of juggling little external drives [16:01] gotcha... [16:02] last year I built a new vm server...and was going to build a freenas box to store all the vms on [16:02] I have one drive in my setup that has been a little flaky, but nothing so far that a scrub hasn't fixed [16:02] but I did get a spare HD in case [16:02] that's good to know...heard one horror story...but he was using old junk hardware [16:03] that would be cool. let us know how that goes. I never thought of trying to host VM files elsewhere [16:05] i do it at work with our san... [16:05] i ended up last year just combining the two machines, so I had a vm server with a bunch of disks [16:06] talk about single point of failure... [16:06] yeah - it's been good to me, but mileage could vary. if they are critical vms, back them up - ZFS isn't a substitute for a backup - but it would be easy to set up an rsync periodically [16:06] holy cow, yeah [16:06] right...nothing "critical" really [16:07] the most critical vm is actually my storage vm...the one that shares out the data :) [16:07] actually I have two, one for internal stuff and one that's externally accessible in my dmz [16:08] but I can move most of that straight to the freenas box... [16:08] I think I'm actually replacing my vm server too...it's too much of a power hog [16:08] yeah, that should be pretty easy [16:08] 6 core phenom II [16:08] ah yeah [16:09] and i don't think I really need that many cores...probably replace it with a couple amd e-350 type boards [16:09] take that phenom and use it for something like gaming :) [16:10] yeah, that'll be a good use for that [16:10] also, as hard as I tried, I couldn't get this e-450 machine to use more than 49w (measured with a kill-a-watt meter) [16:10] wow - that's great [16:11] i think my phenom idles around 100 :) [16:11] even with a couple kvm vm's running, it only peaked up in the 40's when heavy io happened [16:12] mostly it idled around 36w [16:12] great value [16:12] seriously...for folks who want to play with linux, <$200 and you have a vm server that uses very little power [16:15] very cool - maybe I'll recommend that to my brother [16:15] and i think you can get most of it locally at microcenter too [16:16] they have atleast one model of mini-itx board with an amd-e350 soldered on [16:16] only thing they don't have is a good selection of power supplies...you can get a 80+ bronze at best for a good price there [16:17] i ended up ordering an 80+ gold from newegg for about what a bronze normally costs... [16:18] microcenter is a bit of a drive so I do mostly Newegg - snagged a lot of good deals like that [16:20] I'm lucky, it's only about an hour to the cleveland one... [16:20] I still order things on newegg though, cause I don't like driving in cleveland [16:20] but if I REALLY want something now...I know I can drive up there [17:16] Cheri703 - check this out! your dream is in the works l already... except as a phone, not a reader - http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/12/the-android-ecosystem-is-two-faced-yotaphone-has-lcd-on-one-side-electronic-paper-display-on-the-other/ [17:33] oooooo [17:33] now if it only comes to a non-gsm carrier! [17:33] I have sprint at the moment [17:33] well, a sprint mvno === dniMretsaM is now known as MM_away === MM_away is now known as dniMretsaM [21:25] I think I'm going back to 12.04 [21:25] (from 12.10) [21:38] how come Cheri703 [21:41] a few things that I (apparently) relied on heavily aren't available/working in 12.10. I didn't realize how much I'd miss them til lately I noticed it is taking me more time/effort to do things because certain notifications don't show up or such. also most of the "hey, maybe that'll be fixed/better/different in 12.10" things haven't lived up to the hope [21:45] ah...that's how I am with most relases it seems :) [21:45] if 12.10 was the LTS, I'd probably stick it out, but...eh [21:45] I try out the new ones, then sometimes revert, sometimes stay [21:50] What I'm going to do with this one is once I've gotten it set up, make a virtual image from it, then move it over to my work laptop. Then if I set up DejaDup on the desktop, I can restore to the laptop, and after my work trip coming up, I can just backup the laptop and restore to the desktop (at least that's the goal)