[14:51] <thafreak> Anyone looking for a cheap desktop...
[14:51] <thafreak> These amd e-450 motherboard/cpu combos are pretty good
[14:51] <thafreak> doubt it will do THAT great gaming...but my kinda stuff...works REALLY well
[14:52] <thafreak> just no fullscreen full hd youtube
[14:52] <thafreak> but even though it's only a dualcore 1.6ghz, it has virtualization support
[14:53] <thafreak> I'm browsing the web, while installing windows xp in a kvm vm...and it's still responsive.
[14:55] <thafreak> actually bought this setup to run freenas, but while I'm waiting on more parts, I thought I'd test it out for running vm's
[15:52] <drkokandy> sounds like a good value
[15:52] <thafreak> specially at about $80
[15:52] <thafreak> with 8gb of ram it's just a hair over $100
[15:55] <drkokandy> I spent a bit more than that on my FreeNAS setup... but the great thing about FreeNAS is it'll probably run just great on that hardware
[15:55] <drkokandy> no reason to spend more
[15:55] <thafreak> i just got 4 of the wd red drives too...
[15:55] <drkokandy> nice
[15:55] <thafreak> haven't tested them for bad sectors yet though
[15:56] <thafreak> probably should have ordered 5, cause my luck there will be some DOA ones
[15:57] <drkokandy> hope not ... but a good idea to check
[15:59] <thafreak> so what all do you use your freenas box for?
[15:59] <thafreak> and any data corruption or other bad problems?
[16:00] <drkokandy> backup more than anything - I hold images of drives and redundant copies of things there
[16:01] <drkokandy> I really had just gotten sick of juggling little external drives
[16:01] <thafreak> gotcha...
[16:02] <thafreak> last year I built a new vm server...and was going to build a freenas box to store all the vms on
[16:02] <drkokandy> I have one drive in my setup that has been a little flaky, but nothing so far that a scrub hasn't fixed
[16:02] <drkokandy> but I did get a spare HD in case
[16:02] <thafreak> that's good to know...heard one horror story...but he was using old junk hardware
[16:03] <drkokandy> that would be cool. let us know how that goes. I never thought of trying to host VM files elsewhere
[16:05] <thafreak> i do it at work with our san...
[16:05] <thafreak> i ended up last year just combining the two machines, so I had a vm server with a bunch of disks
[16:06] <thafreak> talk about single point of failure...
[16:06] <drkokandy> yeah - it's been good to me, but mileage could vary. if they are critical vms, back them up - ZFS isn't a substitute for a backup - but it would be easy to set up an rsync periodically
[16:06] <drkokandy> holy cow, yeah
[16:06] <thafreak> right...nothing "critical" really
[16:07] <thafreak> the most critical vm is actually my storage vm...the one that shares out the data :)
[16:07] <thafreak> actually I have two, one for internal stuff and one that's externally accessible in my dmz
[16:08] <thafreak> but I can move most of that straight to the freenas box...
[16:08] <thafreak> I think I'm actually replacing my vm server too...it's too much of a power hog
[16:08] <drkokandy> yeah, that should be pretty easy
[16:08] <thafreak> 6 core phenom II
[16:08] <drkokandy> ah yeah
[16:09] <thafreak> and i don't think I really need that many cores...probably replace it with a couple amd e-350 type boards
[16:09] <thafreak> take that phenom and use it for something like gaming :)
[16:10] <drkokandy> yeah, that'll be a good use for that
[16:10] <thafreak> also, as hard as I tried, I couldn't get this e-450 machine to use more than 49w (measured with a kill-a-watt meter)
[16:10] <drkokandy> wow - that's great
[16:11] <thafreak> i think my phenom idles around 100 :)
[16:11] <thafreak> even with a couple kvm vm's running, it only peaked up in the 40's when heavy io happened
[16:12] <thafreak> mostly it idled around 36w
[16:12] <drkokandy> great value
[16:12] <thafreak> seriously...for folks who want to play with linux, <$200 and you have a vm server that uses very little power
[16:15] <drkokandy> very cool - maybe I'll recommend that to my brother
[16:15] <thafreak> and i think you can get most of it locally at microcenter too
[16:16] <thafreak> they have atleast one model of mini-itx board with an amd-e350 soldered on
[16:16] <thafreak> only thing they don't have is a good selection of power supplies...you can get a 80+ bronze at best for a good price there
[16:17] <thafreak> i ended up ordering an 80+ gold from newegg for about what a bronze normally costs...
[16:18] <drkokandy> microcenter is a bit of a drive so I do mostly Newegg - snagged a lot of good deals like that
[16:20] <thafreak> I'm lucky, it's only about an hour to the cleveland one...
[16:20] <thafreak> I still order things on newegg though, cause I don't like driving in cleveland
[16:20] <thafreak> but if I REALLY want something now...I know I can drive up there
[17:16] <drkokandy> Cheri703 - check this out! your dream is in the works l already... except as a phone, not a reader - http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/12/the-android-ecosystem-is-two-faced-yotaphone-has-lcd-on-one-side-electronic-paper-display-on-the-other/
[17:33] <Cheri703> oooooo
[17:33] <Cheri703> now if it only comes to a non-gsm carrier!
[17:33] <Cheri703> I have sprint at the moment
[17:33] <Cheri703> well, a sprint mvno
[21:25] <Cheri703> I think I'm going back to 12.04
[21:25] <Cheri703> (from 12.10)
[21:38] <thafreak> how come Cheri703
[21:41] <Cheri703> a few things that I (apparently) relied on heavily aren't available/working in 12.10. I didn't realize how much I'd miss them til lately I noticed it is taking me more time/effort to do things because certain notifications don't show up or such. also most of the "hey, maybe that'll be fixed/better/different in 12.10" things haven't lived up to the hope
[21:45] <thafreak> ah...that's how I am with most relases it seems :)
[21:45] <Cheri703> if 12.10 was the LTS, I'd probably stick it out, but...eh
[21:45] <Cheri703> I try out the new ones, then sometimes revert, sometimes stay
[21:50] <Cheri703> What I'm going to do with this one is once I've gotten it set up, make a virtual image from it, then move it over to my work laptop. Then if I set up DejaDup on the desktop, I can restore to the laptop, and after my work trip coming up, I can just backup the laptop and restore to the desktop (at least that's the goal)