| ScottL | micahg, i updated the seeds for putting blender back | 03:08 |
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| micahg | ScottL: thanks, let's wait until tomorrow's ISO run before reuploading the meta | 03:23 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm now lmms is now at 0.4.14-rc1 | 09:36 |
| smartboyhw | And actually it is JUST released two days ago | 09:46 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL, zequence, len-dt, holstein one of our main targets this cycle is to resume weekly meetings. How's that progressing? | 11:35 |
| * smartboyhw goes to send the release report mail | 11:36 | |
| smartboyhw | Actually a draft, I can send it out tmr | 11:37 |
| smartboyhw | Actually what do you guys wanna add? | 11:45 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: What report is that? | 11:45 |
| zequence | Which release? | 11:45 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/Agenda/TeamTemplate | 12:11 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL let me write the reports since about September | 12:11 |
| smartboyhw | Better grammar: ScottL permitted me to write the reports since Sept. | 12:14 |
| ttoine | hello | 12:30 |
| ttoine | zequence, dart | 12:30 |
| ttoine | zequence, darktable has been updated. is it possible to backport or sru it ? | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | Hiya ttoine | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, does it fix bugs? | 12:30 |
| zequence | ttoine: If it's not a matter of a bugfix, we should backport | 12:31 |
| ttoine | http://www.darktable.org/2012/12/released-1-1-1/ | 12:32 |
| ttoine | bug fixes | 12:32 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, well then you have to SRU it | 12:33 |
| zequence | ttoine: The bugs need to be serious in some way | 12:33 |
| zequence | I can't tell how serious they are, but it seems there are some low level bugfixes there | 12:33 |
| zequence | Would be good to find some bugs for it in LP | 12:34 |
| zequence | If found, and they are in deed serious, add all the info for a workitem in the SRU blueprint | 12:35 |
| zequence | else, the Backport blueprint | 12:35 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, wait a minute..... the version of darktable in Raring is still 1.05-1ubuntu1 | 12:36 |
| smartboyhw | It isn't updated in the main Ubuntu repos | 12:37 |
| zequence | It was just released yesterday, so it'll take a little time | 12:37 |
| zequence | First it will be updated in Debian repos | 12:37 |
| zequence | Then, depending, it will be synced to raring | 12:38 |
| zequence | If it isn't synced automatically (cause I think we sync from Debian testing, which is in feature freeze, and soon to be released), then we can request a sync from Debian Sid | 12:39 |
| smartboyhw | yeo | 12:40 |
| smartboyhw | s/yeo/yep | 12:40 |
| zequence | Probably things will start to move faster in a month or so. I'm expecting Wheezy to be released any day now, really. | 12:40 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, I want that freeze lifted too:P | 12:41 |
| ttoine | zequence, what about the sru of sound converter ? | 12:41 |
| zequence | ttoine: Anyone can do it. I'm doing other things for a while, so I might do it in a couple of weeks, the earliest | 12:41 |
| zequence | I'm working on my personal project right now | 12:42 |
| ttoine | zequence, what is your personnal project ? | 12:43 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, ooh | 12:43 |
| zequence | ttoine: A all in one | 12:43 |
| ttoine | ? | 12:43 |
| zequence | all-in-one live audio software | 12:43 |
| zequence | I'm doing it in puredata right now | 12:43 |
| zequence | Will start a project in C++ next year, but that will take some time | 12:43 |
| ttoine | like ableton live ? | 12:44 |
| zequence | I haven't tried it, but I doubt it | 12:44 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: will you be preparing an email for the release team this week? | 12:44 |
| ttoine | not like, but live oriented, I mean | 12:44 |
| scott-work | hi ttoine and zequence :) | 12:44 |
| ttoine | hi scott-work | 12:45 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: Hello | 12:45 |
| scott-work | micahg: waiting to touch the metas sounds like a good plan | 12:45 |
| zequence | ttoine: Live orientated, yes. It could beused for creating music too, but the main strength is that you can control any aspect of it live | 12:45 |
| zequence | I mean, used for creating, and then playing back music, as in contrast for live music | 12:46 |
| zequence | It's a huge project for me, so I can't actually realize all the features myself very quickly, even if pd is quite fast to code in | 12:47 |
| zequence | And it gets to a point where you need more muscle, which pd can | 12:47 |
| zequence | can't offer | 12:47 |
| astraljava | Which release you'd want it to be backported? quantal doesn't make much sense, as it's not LTS. And quite frankly, precise feels very old already. :) | 12:49 |
| zequence | LTS at least, but as quantal is still the latest, it makes sense to me | 12:55 |
| zequence | Some people, like holstein, like to keep their LTS for the whole period of 2 years, or longer | 12:56 |
| zequence | I don't feel we have a "real" LTS for multimedia, but it's still a LTS | 12:57 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, yep | 13:07 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: i want to make a post about the new testing covention. would you please give me a few bullet point items to mention. i will fill in the language around them | 13:26 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, uh? | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | um | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | 1. Alphas and Beta 1 has been abolished by vanilla Ubuntu (aka Ubuntu Desktop/Core) | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | 2. Flavours can choose whether they want Alpha 1, Alpha 2 and Beta 1 milestones. | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | 3. They can choose to do "cadence" testing instead, no freeze will be taken in these cadence weeks, the daily image builds will continue | 13:30 |
| smartboyhw | 4. In these "cadence" weeks the main Ubuntu QA Team will test only certain apps (and of course dailies) | 13:31 |
| ttoine | astraljava, I think it is good to have it backported in 12.04 and 12.10. Both are commonly used | 14:16 |
| ttoine | astraljava, or SRU | 14:16 |
| smartboyhw | ttoine, you can't expect to SRU or backport everything:) | 14:24 |
| zequence | The only thing we backported so far, I think is qjackctl, cause it should have helped solve a bug | 14:28 |
| zequence | It's not like we do a lot of backporting | 14:28 |
| zequence | and no SRU's so far | 14:28 |
| zequence | As soon as I have time, I will start working on it. We need docs for it | 14:28 |
| zequence | Should then be simple for anyone to do it | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw | And actually I don't think backporting to 12.10 should be necessary | 14:29 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: why is that? | 14:30 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: part of the process for backporting has been to require backporting to 12.10 to get something backported to 12.04 | 14:30 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: thank you for the bullet points. i would really like to get a post pushed out to most places about the new testing procedures | 14:30 |
| zequence | scott-work: I don't think all backports are like that though | 14:30 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, oh yeah? | 14:30 |
| scott-work | zequence: i was under the impression that this was required for all bakcports. doesn't mean i'm not wrong though :D | 14:31 |
| scott-work | speaking of cadence testing: has anyone done any testing lately? | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw | So if one day it gets in the middle of developing 14.04 LTS, I need to backport it to 13.10, then 13.04, then 12.10, then finally to get to 12.04 LTS? | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, NO:P | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw | Last cadence week I had been busy with tests | 14:31 |
| zequence | scott-work: Well, UKT is backporting kernels to LTS, and I'm not actually sure if they ended up in Quantal too. Those are a little different probably | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw | Will do some testing tmr | 14:32 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: yeah, 14.04 -> 13.10 -> 13.04 -> 12.10 -> 12.04 | 14:32 |
| smartboyhw | scott-work, god that is really tiring then | 14:32 |
| scott-work | zequence: good point. the kernel might be very distinctive outlier for the process | 14:32 |
| scott-work | smartboyhw: it is better than before, the backports team has automated many things | 14:33 |
| scott-work | and using prevu or sbuilds for multiple versions is not too bad ;) | 14:33 |
| smartboyhw | grrr | 14:35 |
| scott-work | i haven't actually used sbuild (micah told me he uses it) but i have used pbuilder quite a bit too | 14:40 |
| smartboyhw | I use pbuilder-dist normally | 15:12 |
| micahg | smartboyhw: you can backport straight from 14.04 to 12.04 once 12.10 is EOL | 15:14 |
| micahg | the idea with backports is to have a supported upgrade path | 15:14 |
| astraljava | zequence: kernels make more sense, as they might include drivers that some hardware really need. But users might be satisfied with older, other software. | 20:06 |
| zequence | astraljava: It's up to the user if they want to update to backported software, and if anyone feels there's a reason to backport something, I don't see why anyone should object | 20:16 |
| zequence | First of all, it would be nice if we could make sure this one release was actually bug free (13.04) | 20:16 |
| micahg | zequence: not possible | 20:16 |
| zequence | And it would be nice if we could SRU stuff some more | 20:16 |
| zequence | micahg: Well, on a level which we can control anyway | 20:17 |
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