[03:08] <ScottL> micahg, i updated the seeds for putting blender back
[03:23] <micahg> ScottL: thanks, let's wait until tomorrow's ISO run before reuploading the meta
[09:36] <smartboyhw> Hmm now lmms is now at 0.4.14-rc1
[09:46] <smartboyhw> And actually it is JUST released two days ago
[11:35] <smartboyhw> ScottL, zequence, len-dt, holstein one of our main targets this cycle is to resume weekly meetings. How's that progressing?
[11:36]  * smartboyhw goes to send the release report mail
[11:37] <smartboyhw> Actually a draft, I can send it out tmr
[11:45] <smartboyhw> Actually what do you guys wanna add?
[11:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: What report is that?
[11:45] <zequence> Which release?
[12:11] <smartboyhw> zequence, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/Agenda/TeamTemplate
[12:11] <smartboyhw> ScottL let me write the reports since about September
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Better grammar: ScottL permitted me to write the reports since Sept.
[12:30] <ttoine> hello
[12:30] <ttoine> zequence, dart
[12:30] <ttoine> zequence, darktable has been updated. is it possible to backport or sru it ?
[12:30] <smartboyhw> Hiya ttoine 
[12:30] <smartboyhw> ttoine, does it fix bugs?
[12:31] <zequence> ttoine: If it's not a matter of a bugfix, we should backport
[12:32] <ttoine>  http://www.darktable.org/2012/12/released-1-1-1/
[12:32] <ttoine> bug fixes
[12:33] <smartboyhw> ttoine, well then you have to SRU it
[12:33] <zequence> ttoine: The bugs need to be serious in some way
[12:33] <zequence> I can't tell how serious they are, but it seems there are some low level bugfixes there
[12:34] <zequence> Would be good to find some bugs for it in LP
[12:35] <zequence> If found, and they are in deed serious, add all the info for a workitem in the SRU blueprint
[12:35] <zequence> else, the Backport blueprint
[12:36] <smartboyhw> ttoine, wait a minute..... the version of darktable in Raring is still 1.05-1ubuntu1
[12:37] <smartboyhw> It isn't updated in the main Ubuntu repos
[12:37] <zequence> It was just released yesterday, so it'll take a little time
[12:37] <zequence> First it will be updated in Debian repos
[12:38] <zequence> Then, depending, it will be synced to raring
[12:39] <zequence> If it isn't synced automatically (cause I think we sync from Debian testing, which is in feature freeze, and soon to be released), then we can request a sync from Debian Sid
[12:40] <smartboyhw> yeo
[12:40] <smartboyhw> s/yeo/yep
[12:40] <zequence> Probably things will start to move faster in a month or so. I'm expecting Wheezy to be released any day now, really.
[12:41] <smartboyhw> zequence, I want that freeze lifted too:P
[12:41] <ttoine> zequence, what about the sru of sound converter ?
[12:41] <zequence> ttoine: Anyone can do it. I'm doing other things for a while, so I might do it in a couple of weeks, the earliest
[12:42] <zequence> I'm working on my personal project right now
[12:43] <ttoine> zequence, what is your personnal project ?
[12:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, ooh
[12:43] <zequence> ttoine: A all in one 
[12:43] <ttoine> ?
[12:43] <zequence> all-in-one live audio software
[12:43] <zequence> I'm doing it in puredata right now
[12:43] <zequence> Will start a project in C++ next year, but that will take some time
[12:44] <ttoine> like ableton live ?
[12:44] <zequence> I haven't tried it, but I doubt it
[12:44] <scott-work> smartboyhw: will you be preparing an email for the release team this week?
[12:44] <ttoine> not like, but live oriented, I mean
[12:44] <scott-work> hi ttoine and zequence :)
[12:45] <ttoine> hi scott-work 
[12:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: Hello
[12:45] <scott-work> micahg: waiting to touch the metas sounds like a good plan
[12:45] <zequence> ttoine: Live orientated, yes. It could beused for creating music too, but the main strength is that you can control any aspect of it live
[12:46] <zequence> I mean, used for creating, and then playing back music, as in contrast for live music
[12:47] <zequence> It's a huge project for me, so I can't actually realize all the features myself very quickly, even if pd is quite fast to code in
[12:47] <zequence> And it gets to a point where you need more muscle, which pd can
[12:47] <zequence> can't offer
[12:49] <astraljava> Which release you'd want it to be backported? quantal doesn't make much sense, as it's not LTS. And quite frankly, precise feels very old already. :)
[12:55] <zequence> LTS at least, but as quantal is still the latest, it makes sense to me
[12:56] <zequence> Some people, like holstein, like to keep their LTS for the whole period of 2 years, or longer
[12:57] <zequence> I don't feel we have a "real" LTS for multimedia, but it's still a LTS
[13:07] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yep
[13:26] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i want to make a post about the new testing covention. would you please give me a few bullet point items to mention. i will fill in the language around them
[13:27] <smartboyhw> scott-work, uh?
[13:27] <smartboyhw> um
[13:27] <smartboyhw> 1. Alphas and Beta 1 has been abolished by vanilla Ubuntu (aka Ubuntu Desktop/Core)
[13:28] <smartboyhw> 2. Flavours can choose whether they want Alpha 1, Alpha 2 and Beta 1 milestones.
[13:30] <smartboyhw> 3. They can choose to do "cadence" testing instead, no freeze will be taken in these cadence weeks, the daily image builds will continue
[13:31] <smartboyhw> 4. In these "cadence" weeks the main Ubuntu QA Team will test only certain apps (and of course dailies)
[14:16] <ttoine> astraljava, I think it is good to have it backported in 12.04 and 12.10. Both are commonly used
[14:16] <ttoine> astraljava, or SRU
[14:24] <smartboyhw> ttoine, you can't expect to SRU or backport everything:)
[14:28] <zequence> The only thing we backported so far, I think is qjackctl, cause it should have helped solve a bug
[14:28] <zequence> It's not like we do a lot of backporting
[14:28] <zequence> and no SRU's so far
[14:28] <zequence> As soon as I have time, I will start working on it. We need docs for it
[14:29] <zequence> Should then be simple for anyone to do it
[14:29] <smartboyhw> And actually I don't think backporting to 12.10 should be necessary
[14:30] <zequence> smartboyhw: why is that?
[14:30] <scott-work> smartboyhw: part of the process for backporting has been to require backporting to 12.10 to get something backported to 12.04
[14:30] <scott-work> smartboyhw: thank you for the bullet points. i would really like to get a post pushed out to most places about the new testing procedures
[14:30] <zequence> scott-work: I don't think all backports are like that though
[14:30] <smartboyhw> scott-work, oh yeah?
[14:31] <scott-work> zequence: i was under the impression that this was required for all bakcports. doesn't mean i'm not wrong though :D
[14:31] <scott-work> speaking of cadence testing: has anyone done any testing lately?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> So if one day it gets in the middle of developing 14.04 LTS, I need to backport it to 13.10, then 13.04, then 12.10, then finally to get to 12.04 LTS?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> scott-work, NO:P
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Last cadence week I had been busy with tests
[14:31] <zequence> scott-work: Well, UKT is backporting kernels to LTS, and I'm not actually sure if they ended up in Quantal too. Those are a little different probably
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Will do some testing tmr 
[14:32] <scott-work> smartboyhw: yeah, 14.04 -> 13.10 -> 13.04 -> 12.10 -> 12.04
[14:32] <smartboyhw> scott-work, god that is really tiring then
[14:32] <scott-work> zequence: good point. the kernel might be very distinctive outlier for the process
[14:33] <scott-work> smartboyhw: it is better than before, the backports team has automated many things
[14:33] <scott-work> and using prevu or sbuilds for multiple versions is not too bad ;)
[14:35] <smartboyhw> grrr
[14:40] <scott-work> i haven't actually used sbuild (micah told me he uses it) but i have used pbuilder quite a bit too
[15:12] <smartboyhw> I use pbuilder-dist normally
[15:14] <micahg> smartboyhw: you can backport straight from 14.04 to 12.04 once 12.10 is EOL
[15:14] <micahg> the idea with backports is to have a supported upgrade path
[20:06] <astraljava> zequence: kernels make more sense, as they might include drivers that some hardware really need. But users might be satisfied with older, other software.
[20:16] <zequence> astraljava: It's up to the user if they want to update to backported software, and if anyone feels there's a reason to backport something, I don't see why anyone should object
[20:16] <zequence> First of all, it would be nice if we could make sure this one release was actually bug free (13.04)
[20:16] <micahg> zequence: not possible
[20:16] <zequence> And it would be nice if we could SRU stuff some more
[20:17] <zequence> micahg: Well, on a level which we can control anyway