[07:22] morning all [07:23] good morning === fabo_ is now known as fabo === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw [12:38] Riddell: we don't have a beta backport for quantal yet, do we? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:40] we do [12:40] apachelogger: we do, just without announcement as nobody got to it [12:41] clearly we suck at PR [12:41] shadeslayer: you should fix that [12:41] yofel: where be they? [12:42] ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta - where they should be [12:42] apachelogger: I'm fixing the seeds [12:42] you fix the PR [12:42] I am fixing multimedia, bugs, plasma, stable releases [12:42] think I win in the shittodo department :S [12:42] yofel: cheers [12:43] apachelogger: if you're running quantal shame on you [12:43] you're a dev and should be running raring [12:43] and fixing shit [12:43] did I mention karbon is broken? [12:43] you did [12:43] jussi: this bug is actually quite shitty [12:43] good [12:44] who's fixing it? :P [12:44] ubuntu bug 1088772 [12:44] shadeslayer: but which version on which release? [12:44] Ubuntu bug 1088772 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Broken icons in plasma tray" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1088772 [12:44] yofel: raring ofcourse, and 1:2.5.92-0ubuntu1 [12:44] jussi: if I were a dick I'd tell the quality team to beat them with a stick ... they regressed shit by not implementing half the specification -.- [12:44] karbon opens here at least, or was it a more specific thing? [12:44] karbon(21667)/koffice (lib komain): "karbon" part.desktop not found. [12:45] you did try to run kbuildsycoca4? [12:45] no, and voila works [12:45] meh -.- [12:45] #fail [12:45] so much for kde figuring out when to run that itself [12:46] isn't that supposed to be handled by a kded module? [12:46] same for installing new applications and them not showing up in kickoff [12:46] well, there is a delay if you are not using teh software center [12:46] apachelogger: how much? I installed karbon last night [12:46] (also IIRC that largely depends on inotify to work properly) [12:46] at around 2-3 AM I think [12:46] so muon runs kbuildsycoca4 after every install? [12:47] yofel: the software center does IIRC [12:47] fun [12:47] ^ [12:47] to avoid that delay [12:47] plus it offers to open the app [12:47] so you could do that like one second after install finishes at which point the cache would certainly not be rebuilt [12:53] can't we like... have pkg-kde-tools generate a dpkg trigger for regenerating the cache? Or is it impossible to get to the user session from dpkg? [12:56] I guess if we can popup a "you must restart" message, we should be able to watch for a "you need to regenerate your cache" trigger === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:56] good point [12:57] \o [12:58] yofel: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-de_4%3a4.9.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): [12:58] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/plasma_applet_printmanager.mo', which is also in package print-manager 0.2.0-0ubuntu3 [12:58] yofel, tsimpson: what if multiple sessions are running? [12:59] also "you need to regenerate cache" is EFU [12:59] apachelogger: then each session would need to regenerate the cache, right? [12:59] well, what does kubuntu-notification-helper do in that case? [12:59] you just see if the cache is older than the trigger [12:59] and you could just make that a silent auto-action instead of a popup [12:59] if the cahce is not updated at all [12:59] I'd g find out why [12:59] *go [13:00] if it is just a couple of seconds delay it is a non-issue because the people who'd be really irritated are expected to use MSC anyway [13:03] yofel: silent auto action is what inotify+kded are supposed to do [13:04] any idea where that code's supposed to be? kdelibsß [13:04] ? [13:07] yofel: kdelibs/kded I think [13:08] Hey all === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [13:11] hmph [13:11] KeyError: 'kubuntu.raring/desktop-common' [13:11] huh [13:11] yofel: what happened to plasmaengineexplorer in workspace-bin? [13:12] I don't know [13:13] hmph [13:13] no plasmaengineexplorer in raring as well [13:18] Interesting, the plasma tools are only built if(${KDE_PLATFORM_PROFILE} STREQUAL "Desktop") [13:20] 0.o [13:20] and quite some other things too, so if that's not built... NOT good [13:22] we have set(KDE_PLATFORM_PROFILE "Desktop") [13:22] this doesn't make sense [13:23] * yofel goes building kde-workspace for the fun of it [13:28] can someone review lp:~rohangarg/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring [13:29] oh ... it's still pushing [13:29] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring/revision/1194 < needs reviewing === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [13:36] afiestas: to stable release update this qjson patch I'd need a bug that it fixes, do you have one? [13:37] shadeslayer: about KDE_PLATFORM_PROFILE: please read kdelibs/CreateKDEPlatformProfile.cmake and tell me if you're worried about active as much as I am [13:38] then again, I have no idea what KDE_PLATFORM_FEATURE_BINARY_COMPATIBLE_FEATURE_REDUCTION even does [13:39] errrr [13:39] okaayyyyyy [13:40] yofel: I'm very worried now [13:42] shadeslayer: what about? [13:42] hm, seems to disable kded-kcrash, kdeui-attica, and some plasma stuff [13:42] Riddell: apparently kdelibs has 3 build modes for 3 different targets [13:43] shadeslayer: well, it seems to only *disable* stuff, so maybe it's not an issue [13:43] yofel: the 3rd bit is concerning [13:43] mm [13:43] ABI incompatibility [13:43] well, we don't use mobile, do we? [13:44] if anything I'm worried about the tablet stuff [13:44] didn't you say tablet stuff was fine since it only seems to disable stuff [13:45] yeah, probably. But that's what I was worried about initially. But then again I have no idea what target is supposed to be used in which situation [13:45] likewise === Mamarok is now known as Mamarok_ === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok__ === Mamarok__ is now known as Mamarok === ubuntu is now known as Riddelll [14:16] oh fun [14:16] ? [14:16] KDE_PLATFORM_PROFILE is not set in kde-workspace because it doesn't use FindKDE4Internal [14:17] fwiw I'm rebuilding kdelibs with hupnp [14:17] * yofel goes filing bug [14:17] yofel: hah [14:24] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.raring/+merge/139711 [14:26] kde's internal build system workings are weird.... [14:32] * ScottK seriously needs to make an alias for dpkg-buildpakcage -> dpkg-buildpackage. [14:33] shadeslayer: isn't that called "debuild"? [14:34] shadeslayer: rationale? [14:34] er? [14:34] ScottK: isn't that called "debuild"? [14:34] tab fail [14:34] Riddell: rationale is that why do we need separate seeds for active? [14:34] Not when you're inside a minimal chroot you're trying to contaminate. [14:34] and because apachelogger said so [14:34] oh well if apachelogger says so :) [14:35] shadeslayer: do you know if any other bits will have to be changed as part of this? [14:35] e.g. whatever makes the tasks [14:36] * apachelogger never uses debuild :O [14:36] ah, you are talking about something else ^^ [14:36] shadeslayer: did I really say so? [14:37] I mean, it makes sense, I just don't recall saying that ^^ [14:37] Riddell: from what I understand soyuz uses Task-Name: no? [14:37] " shadeslayer: please be merging active with kubuntu-active" [14:37] I assumed you made a typo there and meant merge active with kubuntu-meta [14:37] Riddell: everything is in universe so the more stuff we merge the better for maintainability [14:38] shadeslayer: nah I meant you should merge the runner active with kubuntu's so that they look the same structure wise [14:39] I see [14:39] but what you did is somethign I also thought [14:39] but imo this makes more sense [14:39] just did not express it ^^ [14:39] apachelogger: clearly I understand you much better [14:39] yeah :P [14:39] so merge in kubuntu then re-derive for runner so the structure is the same [14:40] yeah [14:40] http://vizzzion.org/blog/2012/12/an-owncloud-client-for-kde-plasma/ [14:40] anyone packaging it yet? [14:40] nvm my comment on workspace, this is more complicated [14:41] yofel: I guess we should start a thread off on plasma-active [14:41] erm [14:41] plasma-devel [14:41] or whatever active uses as their ML [14:42] jussi: you know you want to [14:42] ^ [14:43] oh look cjwatson commented [14:44] apachelogger: I know [14:44] Riddell: no. [14:45] yofel: 4.9.90 in quantal working well, thanks for shepherding that through, I'll put an announcement on kubuntu.org [14:45] notification sizing is broken [14:45] not today, not this week, not this year or next year. [14:45] hooray [14:46] apachelogger: yeah, I noticed that today as well [14:48] shadeslayer: good old cjwatson commented so I guess it's safe to do with has changes [14:49] yeah [14:49] I'll fix it up in a bit, doing some other stuff [14:50] ::workspace-bugs:: [1088772] Broken icons in plasma tray @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1088772 (by xapienz) [14:56] kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9.90 [14:57] can I go ahead and upload kde4libs with upnp functionality? [14:57] I thought hupnp was in universe? [14:58] it is, so you first need a MIR [14:58] * shadeslayer looks [14:58] I see [14:59] why can't we move kde4libs to universe ? [14:59] iirc it has several rdepends in main still [14:59] MIR is bound to be rejected, no hupnp in debian :( [14:59] yofel: but universe packages can build against main components no? [15:00] uhm, for kdelibs the situation is the other way around [15:00] 0.o [15:00] if you have 1 thing in main that needs kdelibs you can't demote it [15:00] ah [15:00] so basically needs pretty much all of KDE SC demoted to universe [15:01] yeah, ScottK probably knows why we keep it in main [15:02] hmm .. [15:02] kdelibs needed for pykde needed by ubiquity [15:02] would be one reason [15:02] well, that's enough already ^^ [15:02] yeah [15:02] Riddell: Ubiquity isn't using pykde [15:02] hmm good pointed, I ported it to pyqt [15:06] (not a build time dep anyway) [15:06] so the kde frontend binary could be demoted to universe [15:07] apachelogger: Would you please look at Bug 847484 - I don't have this problem, so I'm not sure what's up. [15:07] Launchpad bug 847484 in quassel (Ubuntu) "quassel crashed with SIGSEGV in _IO_vfprintf_internal()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/847484 [15:07] once I am done with plasma [15:07] apachelogger: so never? [15:09] from some quick hacking, there are things like libproxy that dep on kdelibs5-dev [15:09] and libreoffice 0.o [15:09] well latter makes sense [15:09] and subversion ? lolwat [15:09] kwallet [15:09] also don't make jokes about plasma [15:11] :P [15:11] ScottK: the backtrace totally does not match with the description [15:11] apachelogger: what about gst? [15:11] unless quassel reinitializes itself when going to fullscreen [15:11] which woudl be fun [15:11] shadeslayer: neither [15:11] drat [15:12] it's no fun anymore really [15:12] http://paste.kde.org/624836/ [15:12] apachelogger: Please triage the heck out of the bug then. [15:13] oh, nvm now I see it [15:13] weird call chain [15:14] can't reproduce [15:15] Riddell: /me thought ubiquity no longer depends on pykde. [15:15] xnox: it doesn't :) [15:15] shadeslayer: what is not reproduced? [15:15] though other packages do ( see laste link ) [15:15] apachelogger: bug 847484 [15:15] Launchpad bug 847484 in quassel (Ubuntu) "quassel crashed with SIGSEGV in _IO_vfprintf_internal()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/847484 [15:16] who want's to do MIR's? [15:16] you [15:16] no [15:16] why would you say that [15:16] * shadeslayer runs away [15:16] yes you do, even if you don't realize it yourself jet [15:17] no, I've done far too many MIR's [15:17] ETOOMUCHPAPERWORK [15:17] lol? [15:17] * yofel is still debugging workspace [15:17] you clearly have not seen the days when it was three times as much work [15:18] apachelogger: I think I did :P [15:18] My first MIR falled during the end of that era [15:19] Having done the needed MIRs to get Spamassassin in Main back not only during that era, but when every stinking trivial Perl module needed a full MIR, I have limited sympathy. [15:19] Just get it done. [15:19] heh [15:20] plasma broken again [15:20] fukitol100 [15:20] apachelogger: who said it was ever fixed [15:20] plasma at times seems like a bunch of code glued together to me :p [15:20] I have yet to fix that folderview bug [15:20] seems? [15:21] lol? [15:21] KSNI [15:21] just because the code is fugly and I don't want to touch it [15:21] api: kdelibs, dataengine: workspace, UI: workspace & runtime [15:21] plasmaengineexplorere is now in: plasmate [15:21] uhm... qobject::connect() doing runtime introspection like things to connect signals and slots is already something I consider glued together [15:22] xD [15:22] it's the QML way [15:22] ^ [15:22] ScottK: dunno how to triage that [15:22] makes no sense from any POV [15:22] hi guys [15:22] Find Sput and make him do it. [15:22] Sput: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/847484 [15:22] Ubuntu bug 847484 in quassel (Ubuntu) "quassel crashed with SIGSEGV in _IO_vfprintf_internal()" [Medium,New] [15:23] hiya hrw [15:23] actually [15:23] Stack memory exhausted (SP below stack segment) [15:23] which srcpkg I should report bug against if I want to report bug in screen lock? [15:23] lolwut [15:23] IIRC the screenlocker is part of kscreensaver [15:23] how the flip can you exhaust the stack with 29 frames [15:24] Oo [15:24] what's the bug though, I doubt it's our fault [15:24] hrw: bugs.kde.org :P [15:24] apachelogger: haha ;) [15:24] I am serious [15:24] ScottK: "the X server becomes completely crazzy ." [15:24] rather helpful [15:24] yofel: I have to enter password twice when screen is locked [15:25] that one's new... [15:26] hrw: would have to be reported on bugs.kde.org [15:26] no idea which product though [15:26] ok [15:26] locker is part of kscreensaver on bugs.kde.org [15:26] had to look it up myself a few days ago [15:26] ah cool [15:26] ^ [15:26] https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=335357&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=locker&product=kscreensaver [15:27] gtg dinner [15:27] * yofel watches workspace build... again... [15:32] oh [15:32] dinner [15:32] * apachelogger wanted to have lunch some 4 hours ago [15:42] apachelogger: Thanks. [15:56] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311638 [15:56] KDE bug 311638 in locker "Have to unlock screen twice to get back to desktop" [Major,Unconfirmed] [15:58] hrw: can you check with 4.9.90? [15:58] oh [15:58] "KDE beta (4.9.90) installed." [15:58] hrw: you want to change the version in the bug report [15:58] ugh [15:58] they don't have a 4.9.90 target? [15:58] done [15:58] cool [16:06] apachelogger: I've seen that one a few times with Ubuntu/kubuntu users (exclusively) - usually fixed itself after a while [16:06] no idea what it is, we don't do anything fancy, just setting the appropriate Qt flag [16:32] ScottK: what qt flag? [16:32] eh Sput [16:35] apachelogger: actually, all we do is calling QWidget::showFullScreen() for the main window [16:36] which has broken documentation, it seems, as it says "Calling this function only affects windows." before talking about all the stuff that can go wrong in X11 [17:06] Quintasan: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/13/UDS-Badge-Kubuntu_shadeslayer.png [17:06] my submission derived from the Kubuntu badges on G+ [17:07] contact info could probably do with some sort of indentation === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [18:53] Riddell: btw how do I add active-ship to supported? [18:53] just add : * active-ship : in supported? [19:01] hiho [19:02] hi soee [19:51] looks nice http://vizzzion.org/blog/2012/12/an-owncloud-client-for-kde-plasma/ [20:13] Riddell: pung [20:13] more like ping but whatever === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw [20:49] Quintasan: see kards [20:50] Quintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/cards/ === micahg_ is now known as micahg [21:07] shadeslayer: pretty nice :) [21:07] Quintasan: pong? [21:07] yofel: needs some artistic love on the back though :P [21:09] yeah, and I'm not convinced that the background should be blue, but that's just personal preference [21:09] yeah, like I said, needs some work [21:17] Riddell: urgh, mind if I query? [21:18] yofel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/cards/UDS-Badge-Kubuntu_shadeslayer_back_white.svg [21:18] needs some love, but yeah, something like that [21:19] shadeslayer: I will take a look tomorrow since I am not in the right state of mind right now [21:19] okay [21:22] Quintasan: go ahead [21:23] does anyone use those qr codes? [21:23] Riddell: lemme get home first [21:27] idk [21:27] tbh it looks weird :P [21:41] well, I haven't seen a qr code like that, but here I know people that like them. And they are better than having to type everythign into your phone if one wants the data in there [21:43] http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/13/UDS-Badge-Kubuntu_shadeslayer_back.png === jussi01 is now known as jussi [21:56] Riddell: qr codes are nice when its a really long url you dont want to type... [22:01] jussi: but ... there is no URL to be typed [22:03] shadeslayer: the ones at http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/cards/ are not bad but they have no information about you [22:03] save for QR code [22:03] huh? [22:04] Quintasan: open in inkscape [22:04] or karbon [22:04] mmkay [22:04] stupid browser [22:05] oooooh [22:05] that looks nice [22:06] hmmm [22:06] UDS-Badge-Kubuntu_shadeslayer.svg [22:06] ? [22:06] that looks nice [22:07] allow me to nitpick some details [22:07] sure [22:07] E should me Email [22:07] should be* [22:07] intentional ... [22:07] isnt it obvious enough? :P [22:07] not for everyone [22:07] heh ok [22:08] what makes you inclined to make email even shorter than it is now? [22:08] *shrug* [22:09] other than this I have no problem with that one [22:09] it's simple and contains all the information needed to contact you [22:12] Quintasan: what about the back :P [22:14] uhh [22:14] what do you want me to say about QR code? :D [22:14] idk, it doesn't look right, so fix it? [22:59] yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/13/UDS-Badge-Kubuntu_shadeslayer_back_1.png [22:59] bettery? [22:59] erm [22:59] better [22:59] yes, this will actually be vertical :P [23:04] shadeslayer: yep [23:05] we could stick it in one corner of the card [23:05] but my phone doesn't properly read it then === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [23:13] yofel: can you find a *white* QR code generator? :P [23:13] would go with the font color on the back [23:14] is that still readable then? [23:14] the one from inkscape doesn't get detected [23:14] I think it should be [23:14] but can't say till we try [23:14] * yofel first wonders where to find q qrcode generator that outputs svg [23:15] ah, qrencode did that [23:15] shadeslayer: and it supports setting for-/background color [23:16] ? [23:16] well, you wanted a non-black/white qr-code, right? [23:16] oh [23:16] okay, I thought it was a site :P [23:17] nah [23:17] !info qrencode [23:17] qrencode (source: qrencode): QR Code encoder into PNG image. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3.0-2 (quantal), package size 17 kB, installed size 68 kB [23:17] right [23:18] shadeslayer: it sure gained fun output formats since I last used it :D http://paste.kde.org/625022/ [23:22] :) [23:22] yeah for some reason this is not working [23:22] yofel: try with : qrencode --foreground=eeeeecff --background=0079c1ff -o /tmp/qrcode.svg -t SVG [23:22] and enter some data [23:27] neither barcode scanner nor mbarcode decoded that. Switch the colors and it's fine [23:28] yeah :* [23:28] :( [23:28] yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/14/rect3810.png [23:28] would have been perfect === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [23:33] hm, undo button doesn't work in karbon [23:34] yofel: this works : http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/14/UDS-Badge-Kubuntu_shadeslayer_back.png [23:34] good enough for me :P [23:35] yeah, I wanted to try it with a smaller border, but now karbon crashed -.- [23:36] well, beta [23:37] the layer visibility calculation is broken too [23:38] inkscape ftw [23:42] geh [23:42] qrencode -m 1 does what I want [23:43] the 4 px border looks out of place on the card, 1 px is ok [23:51] awesome [23:52] should we finalize this? [23:52] just needs some finishing touches wrt to the placement === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw