[00:28] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: I don't see the email yet, what's the rt number?
[00:29] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: 20650
[00:34] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: I'll ask about it
[00:35] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks!
[00:40] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: are you under a deadline or anything to get this done?
[00:42] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: nope, but we're having a big one soon, looks like it'll attract lots of people
[00:43] <mhall119> do you need to switch hosts by then, or are you okay to wait until they have time to work on it?
[00:45] <JoseeAntonioR> I think I can wait
[00:45] <JoseeAntonioR> they've set the deadline to around mid-january, I think
[00:47] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: ok, IS has everything they need, the ticket is in the queue and they'll get to it in turn
[00:47] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks!
[00:48] <mhall119> np
[03:35] <cjohnston> pleia2: am I good to delete the server as far as your concerned? (you don't need anything else from it)
[04:24] <pleia2> cjohnston: yes, go ahead
[04:25] <cjohnston> ty
[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[11:44] <cjohnston> mornin dholbach
[12:23] <dholbach> hi cjohnston
[15:03] <huayra> Is there a meeting starting here now? Ref http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/12/12/kicking-off-the-ubuntu-advocacy-developer-kit/ ?
[15:03] <cprofitt> I thought there was
[15:03] <cprofitt> jono is not here though
[15:04] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[15:04] <huayra> Quite early in Cali :)
[15:04] <cprofitt> yes
[15:04] <huayra> please ping me when he comes.. I will be here for some hours and would like to discuss the ADK
[15:05]  * huayra is the driver of the SpreadUbuntu project
[15:06] <SergioMeneses> :O
[15:06] <SergioMeneses> huayra, are you from Colombia?
[15:06] <huayra> nope, born in Spain, raised in Ecuador, been an adult in Norway
[15:07] <huayra> but you are, aren't you?
[15:07] <SergioMeneses> huayra, yes, I am but I live in the north
[15:07] <huayra> nice to meet you (although I have the feeling we have met digitally before...)
[15:09] <SergioMeneses> maybe
[15:10] <huayra> ubuntu-es-locos or FLISOL
[15:13] <SergioMeneses> huats, flisol, I guess
[15:22] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:22] <jono> sorry I am late here
[15:22] <dholbach> hi jono
[15:22] <jono> rough night with Jack and slept right through the alarm
[15:23] <dholbach> cprofitt, huayra, SergioMeneses: ^
[15:23] <jono> dholbach, have you been discussing the ADK?
[15:23]  * dholbach hugs jono
[15:23] <dholbach> no, we wanted to wait for you and I had a quick meeting with the d-a-t at the same time
[15:23] <jono> ok, cool
[15:23] <dholbach> jono, but there's: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-adk-admins/+recipe/ubuntu-adk-daily :)
[15:23] <jono> can you give me two mins?
[15:23] <huayra> those sleepless night can be quite rough
[15:23] <dholbach> jono, sure
[15:24] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, morning!
[15:24] <huayra> hi dholbach, SergioMeneses, jono, cprofitt  and everyone else :)
[15:27] <jono> ok, all set dholbach, SergioMeneses, cprofitt :-)
[15:27] <jono> dholbach, nice work on the PPA!
[15:27] <jono> so how does it work?
[15:27] <dholbach> jono, no .desktop file yet, but there'll be daily builds of the English version for now
[15:27] <jono> dholbach, awesome!
[15:28] <dholbach> jono, it contains the .pdf guide, a single-html page and multiple-html pages
[15:28] <dholbach> and epub
[15:28] <jono> oh sweet :-)
[15:28] <jono> did you see my MP, dholbach?
[15:28] <huayra> dholbach, are you using rst2epub to make the epub version?
[15:28] <dholbach> I guess we can simplify it further and throw things out or we could split it up in other packages if they get too big
[15:28] <cprofitt> sorry got pulled away -- reading back ow
[15:28] <dholbach> I just wanted to put everything in one package for now
[15:29] <dholbach> huayra, sphinx does it - you simply run "make epub"
[15:29] <huayra> I have some experience with rst, but have trouble making decent epub content directly from rst
[15:29] <dholbach> jono, I replied - it had no content (did you forget to 'bzr add <files>' maybe?)
[15:29] <huayra> ref https://www.varnish-software.com/static/book/
[15:30] <huayra> thanks for the tip. I'll try doing it from sphinx and see how it goes
[15:30] <jono> dholbach, hmm, I did add them
[15:30] <jono> let me check
[15:30] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-adk/firstmaterials/+merge/139563 is empty AFAICS
[15:31] <jono> dholbach, as an example: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-adk/firstmaterials/revision/32
[15:31] <jono> that is a revision in my merge
[15:31] <jono> oh
[15:31] <jono> hang on
[15:32] <dholbach> yes
[15:32] <dholbach> you pushed it directly :)
[15:32] <dholbach> I'll mark it as merged :)
[15:33] <jono> dholbach, I pushed it directly accidentally and then reverted it
[15:33] <jono> dholbach, how odd, my branch seems to have the content
[15:33] <jono> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-adk-admins/ubuntu-adk/trunk/revision/34 reverted it
[15:34] <dholbach> mh
[15:34] <jono> anyway
[15:34] <jono> I guess we can discuss this later
[15:34] <jono> but the challenge was outlined in the MP
[15:34] <dholbach> I'll reverse-apply r34 then
[15:35] <jono> how do we nothave lots of duplicate materials?
[15:35] <cprofitt> I do not know what RST is... can anyone point me to a quick summary
[15:35] <jono> cprofitt, reStructured Text
[15:35] <jono> cprofitt, http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
[15:35] <jono> it is a simple way of writing content
[15:35] <cprofitt> danke
[15:35] <dholbach> or http://sphinx-doc.org/rest.html
[15:36] <jono> dholbach, any thoughts on how we do this?
[15:36] <cprofitt> bookmarked -- will read more later thanks again dholbach and jono
[15:36] <jono> cprofitt, np
[15:36] <dholbach> jono, I'm not sure I understand the problem - are you worried that we'd ship an ubuntu-logo.png both in the English and the Spanish version of the package?
[15:36] <jono> dholbach, let me explain:
[15:36] <jono> so currently we put materias in materials/<CC>
[15:37] <jono> some materials will by definition not be translated - e.g. logos
[15:37] <jono> so I would prefer if we don't have to put the logos in each CC dir
[15:37] <jono> also, right now we are hard-coded the CC to 'en' in the RST
[15:37] <jono> so how do we reference the other CCs for the materials?
[15:38] <dholbach> we could replace identical files with symlinks
[15:38] <dholbach> fdupes does that
[15:38] <jono> what do you mean?
[15:39] <dholbach> if there's a es/ubuntu-logo.png and an en/ubuntu-logo.png and they're identical we could replace one with a symlink to the other
[15:39] <dholbach> so we don't ship the same file twice
[15:39] <jono> dholbach, ahhh I see
[15:40] <dholbach> we do this in other packages already to save sapce
[15:40] <dholbach> space
[15:40] <jono> but then what about the issue of referencing the CC in the RST?
[15:40] <jono> as an example:
[15:40] <huayra> translated materials could easily be available from SpreadUbuntu to generate localized zip files. We have made the site so things can easily be accessed and retrieved: http://spreadubuntu.org/en/node/6/translate
[15:40] <jono> in the English package we always want to refer to 'en' but in the Spanish package we will want to refer to 'es'
[15:40] <huayra> use LP to login if you cannot see it
[15:41] <asomething> re:hardcoding, in the Makefile you can manipulate things so the materials/en gets changed to materials/es when building the es package if needed
[15:41] <jono> huayra, nice :-)
[15:41] <huayra> jono ;)
[15:41] <dholbach> jono, I'd suggest that we recommend to translators they leave the paths in the translations as they are if the don't intend to ship localised materials and change it from "en" to "es" once they have localised materials
[15:42] <asomething> in the packaging guide we do some of that, it isn't exactly pretty though
[15:42] <dholbach> no, it's not :)
[15:42] <jono> I like the idea of the translations URLs approach
[15:42]  * dholbach hugs asomething
[15:42] <jono> this way the translation just shows the relavent materials and trunk shows English I guess
[15:42] <jono> brb
[15:43] <huayra> currently is a different Drupal node, but SpreadUbuntu has a classification system that reference one material (say a poster) to another internally and we could use aliases to make a /en or /es or /fr version
[15:44] <jono> back
[15:44] <huayra> so that the ADK can retrieve them all and make the localized zip on the fly
[15:44] <jono> ok
[15:44] <huayra> at least, for already translated materials
[15:45] <jono> so it sounds like the symlink approach for duplicate materials and the translated URLs approach makes most sense
[15:45] <jono> cool, I will note those down in the How To Help guide later today
[15:45] <jono> dholbach, did you merge in my branch?
[15:45] <dholbach> jono, give me a second, something looks strange here
[15:45] <huayra> will need some work on SpreadUbuntu (Drupal) but it should be doable with aliases, yes
[15:45] <jono> dholbach, np
[15:46] <dholbach> jono, done and pushed - please check if r37 fixes it for you
[15:46] <jono> dholbach, checking
[15:47] <huayra> if you would prefer changes in classification of materials, we can do that too and even add an adk reference to the materials used to generate the ADK kit
[15:47] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: ping
[15:47] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: can you help us fill out documentation for Ubuntu On Air? http://pad.ubuntu.com/communitywebsite-help-keepup-onair
[15:47] <jono> dholbach, looks good to me :-)
[15:47] <huayra> dholbach, jono the reference would be done through aliases in the URL, together with the language
[15:48] <jono> huayra, gotcha
[15:48] <jono> so who would be interested in writing content for the ADK?
[15:48] <dholbach> if you are on quantal or raring, this should give you the latest ADK (minus Jono's latest revision): sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-adk-admins/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install ubuntu-adk-en
[15:49] <jono> dholbach, any thoughts on the .desktop file?
[15:49] <dholbach> jono, I'm working on it
[15:49] <jono> dholbach, ahhh cool
[15:49] <jono> and this PPA is daily?
[15:49] <dholbach> yes
[15:49] <jono> sweet, nice work!
[15:49] <dholbach> I just got too busy with other stuff today, but tomorrow it should be there
[15:49] <jono> where does it install it to?
[15:50] <dholbach> /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-adk-en
[15:50] <dholbach> the good thing is that with a .desktop file we don't really care where it installs stuff to
[15:50] <dholbach> we can just leave it in there :)
[15:50] <jono> dholbach, looks like it is missing the root-level starthere.html
[15:50] <dholbach> yes
[15:51] <dholbach> known issue :)
[15:51] <dholbach> using the package will also make sure that people get upgraded content, so they're no stuck with an old .zip file
[15:52] <dholbach> or hang on
[15:52] <jono> dholbach, so am I correct in assuming that the schema of the package is not much different to the branch?
[15:52] <dholbach> do we need to have a starthere.html file?
[15:52] <jono> dholbach, exactly :-)
[15:52] <jono> dholbach, don't neccessarily need one, no
[15:52] <dholbach> good
[15:52] <jono> the package solves that
[15:52] <dholbach> alright - I'll have the .desktop file in there tomorrow
[15:52] <jono> dholbach, nice work!
[15:52] <jono> this is all coming together nicely
[15:52] <jono> I will add some more content later today
[15:53] <jono> the key is going to be awesome, curated content I think
[15:53] <dholbach> jono, if you run 'make gettext' it updates the .pot file
[15:53] <jono> dholbach, ok cool
[15:53] <huayra> jono, as I mentioned in my comment on your blog I think that there are two kits that would be good to have:
[15:53] <huayra> 1. The Advocacy kit (ready and localized that does not change too often)
[15:53] <huayra> 2. The Ubuntu Release kit (with everything users can dream of having for a new Ubuntu release, which is generated every 6 months)
[15:54] <jono> huayra, I think that sounds good
[15:54] <jono> I would expect people use ADK in general and the release kit mainly contains materials
[15:54] <jono> e.g. CD covers
[15:54] <huayra> For the second one, we could even engage designers and people interested in making material to actually send their material to SpreadUbuntu and ask users to vote for them.
[15:55] <huayra> Yes, CD covers or Release party posters
[15:55] <jono> so my plans were to work on getting the core docs content into the ADK next
[15:55] <jono> and then to start reviewing the best materials
[15:55] <jono> huayra, your help with the materials would be great
[15:56] <jono> as I mentioned in the post, the goal here is to only include a few materials of each type in the ADK
[15:56] <jono> but to ensure the are in line with the brand guidelines, high quality etc
[15:56] <huayra> I can certainly do that and make a plan for the Release Cycle Kit
[15:56] <jono> and then we can link off to SU for more
[15:56] <jono> huayra, thanks!
[15:56] <cprofitt> jono: it strikes me that this is like a 'media' or 'fan' kit that games often provide
[15:56] <jono> cprofitt, yep
[15:57] <jono> cprofitt, so it will provide a single package to download with everything you need
[15:57]  * cprofitt nods
[15:57] <cprofitt> print and web resources
[15:58] <huayra> sounds good to link to the site, so people can choose from the hundreds of materials (almost 900) available there
[15:58] <jono> cool, well I have to run to hop on a call now
[15:58] <jono> thanks for the meeting, and apologies for the delay
[15:58] <cprofitt> thanks jono
[15:59] <huayra> thanks jono
[16:01] <jono> mhall119, dpm ready for our call
[16:01] <jono> mhall119, dpm actually, give me two mins, need to reply to a mail real quick
[16:01] <dpm> jono, ok
[16:08] <mhall119> ready whenever you guys are
[16:09] <jono> dpm, mhall119 ok setting it up
[16:10] <jono> dpm, mhall119 invite sent
[16:12] <dpm> sorry, Firefox it's taking it's time
[16:12] <dpm> trying to get in...
[16:12] <jono> dpm, np
[16:33] <dholbach> jono, .desktop file added :)
[16:34] <jono> dholbach, awesome!
[16:34] <jono> any chance you can join a hangout now?
[16:34] <dholbach> only up until the full hour
[16:34] <jono> dholbach, thats dinme
[16:34] <jono> fine
[16:34] <dholbach> ok, dinme then :-P
[16:35] <jono> dholbach, you should see an invite in a sec
[17:25] <dholbach> jono, package with .desktop file should be available now (and some small fixes for the materials stuff)
[17:33] <dholbach> all right my friends - see you all tomorrow!
[18:59] <jcastro_> jono: got time for me today for a quick powwow?
[18:59] <jono> jcastro_, I do, but in a few hours
[18:59] <jono> have meetings now
[19:00] <jono> jcastro_, sorry I can't go sooner
[19:00]  * jcastro_ stands in line
[19:00] <jcastro_> no worries
[19:00] <jcastro_> I have awesomeish news for you
[19:00] <jcastro_> some is even NOT METAL RELATED. If you can believe such a thing
[19:18] <jono> jcastro_, :-)
[20:46] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: sure
[20:46] <mhall119> thanks JoseeAntonioR!
[20:50] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[20:55] <jono> mhall119, how is the docs day going?
[20:58] <mhall119> jono: I'm currently putting what we have into WP
[20:59] <mhall119> we have some pages that are well developed, but still a lot that haven't been touched
[20:59] <mhall119> also, the new theme should be ready to start integrating tomorrow
[21:00] <jono> mhall119, awesome
[21:01] <MrChrisDruif> jono; good job on the drums, if that was your third rehearsal on them. (I couldn't be that good on drums tbh)
[21:01] <jono> thanks MrChrisDruif
[21:01] <jono> still very new to it :-)
[21:01] <jono> sweet, it is cool to see the ADK in the dash :-)
[21:02] <jcastro_> marcoceppi: hey, is there a way to export an entire AU question as one markdown doc?
[21:02] <jcastro_> the new community site has a section on "what blogs to follow?"
[21:02] <jcastro_> and I just want to rip this off: http://askubuntu.com/questions/594/list-of-blogs-to-learn-more-about-ubuntu
[21:02] <marcoceppi> jcastro_: you could write a script to do that easily, but there's not way built in
[21:03] <marcoceppi> ugh, I protected but didn't close that question.
[21:03] <jcastro_> heh
[21:10] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: should I change Programs and Guests to Past Programs and Guests?
[21:13] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: I don't want to list specifics, it'll be too hard to keep it updates
[21:13] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, ok then
[21:13] <mhall119> just talk about the kinds of people we have on, and how the sessions operate
[21:14] <mhall119> so, you can say you get engineering managers, business managers/VPs, developers and community people all on
[21:14] <mhall119> without listing specific people
[21:22] <JoseeAntonioR> got it
[21:39] <jono> jcastro_, free to chat now?
[21:46] <jcastro_> yessir
[21:46] <jcastro_> LETS DO THIS
[21:47] <jcastro_> jono: invited
[21:49] <jono> :-)
[22:13] <mhall119> jono: I've hacked the current community site theme enough to atleast show sub-nav links
[22:13] <mhall119> everything from the pads is now up there on WP
[22:19] <jono> mhall119, have a link?
[22:42] <mhall119> jono: http://91.189.93.108/
[22:42] <mhall119> use the nav menus
[22:42] <mhall119> it should match the wiki page outline
[23:28] <jono> thanks mhall119
[23:28] <jono> looking good
[23:28] <jono> we just need to get those d.u.c layouts in there
[23:28] <jono> any progress on that?
[23:29] <mhall119> jono: I'm told tomorrow they should be ready
[23:29] <jono> mhall119, awesome
[23:30] <jono> mhall119, good work on this, by the way
[23:30] <mhall119> thanks
[23:34] <cjohnston> /22/
[23:34] <balloons> I love the response mike
[23:34] <balloons> "I'm told they should be ready" classic