| cqfd93 | Hi All! | 00:02 |
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| cqfd93 | GodbyK, are you listening? | 00:03 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Yep! | 00:03 |
| cqfd93 | great news! | 00:03 |
| cqfd93 | we're ready to finalize precise and quantal | 00:04 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Ah, excellent! | 00:04 |
| cqfd93 | yes, finally | 00:04 |
| godbyk | Are both branches ready? | 00:05 |
| cqfd93 | yes, sir! | 00:05 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Okay. I should use the fr.po files from Launchpad? | 00:06 |
| cqfd93 | yes, here are the links: | 00:08 |
| cqfd93 | precise : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/125649179/ubuntu-manual_ubuntu-manual-fr.poquantal : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/125649191/ubuntu-manual_ubuntu-manual-fr.po | 00:08 |
| cqfd93 | quantal : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/125649191/ubuntu-manual_ubuntu-manual-fr.po | 00:08 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Thanks! | 00:08 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: I'll start working on it soon and email you if I find any problems or have more tidbits for you to translate. | 00:08 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Could you take a look at the text on the back cover and translate those paragraphs for me? Just email me the translations and I'll have thorwil generate the covers. | 00:09 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: You can find the English cover in titlepage/lulu-en_US.pdf (or .svg). | 00:09 |
| cqfd93 | Ok! | 00:10 |
| cqfd93 | Can you wait untill tomorrow? | 00:10 |
| cqfd93 | It's late here (1:10am...) | 00:10 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Oh, yeah. It's not rush. I won't be able to do too much work on it myself 'til this weekend. | 00:11 |
| godbyk | You should get some sleep. :) | 00:11 |
| cqfd93 | Yes! | 00:11 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: G'night! | 00:11 |
| cqfd93 | Thank you! See you tomorrow. | 00:11 |
| cqfd93 | Bye everybody! | 00:11 |
| hannie | cqfd93, hi | 16:00 |
| hannie | I have just added wubi to the glossary, but I have removed the pageref from it (in Dutch version precise-e2) | 16:01 |
| hannie | I do not think that IN the glossary we should refer to a chapter/section | 16:01 |
| hannie | It is the other way around. In the section we refer to the explanation of the term in the glossary | 16:02 |
| cqfd93 | Hi Hannie! | 16:15 |
| hannie | hey cq | 16:15 |
| hannie | I just changed the sudo line (added \prompt \userinput as you suggested (in Dutch version) | 16:16 |
| cqfd93 | Yes, removing the pageref is probably a good idea, as the wubi section points to the glossary :-) | 16:16 |
| hannie | I will add the sudo change to my notes for Raring (English). Thanks for reporting it. | 16:17 |
| hannie | I will upload my nl.po to LP in a minute | 16:18 |
| cqfd93 | for the sudo line and at least another one, I added a line break (\n) between the command and the output | 16:18 |
| hannie | sudo updategrub is on a line of its own | 16:20 |
| hannie | ah, yes, just found it. Good catch again ;) | 16:21 |
| cqfd93 | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/precise-e2/+pots/ubuntu-manual/fr/1653/+translate | 16:22 |
| cqfd93 | and | 16:22 |
| cqfd93 | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/precise-e2/+pots/ubuntu-manual/fr/1655/+translate | 16:22 |
| cqfd93 | hannie, can you look at the bottom of page 117 in the French precise-e2 pdf? There's a problem with the size of the titles "Comptes utilisateurs" | 16:30 |
| cqfd93 | and "Utilisateurs et groupes" | 16:30 |
| cqfd93 | page #111 in the Dutch manual | 16:32 |
| hannie | I'll have a look right now | 16:33 |
| hannie | cqfd93, let me finish those \promt \userinput strings first and then I will download fr.po (precise-e2) | 16:35 |
| cqfd93 | hannie, no need to compile it, here is the link to the pdf: http://ubuntuone.com/1fD6ZGk4WYFDcoCMGn6HN2 | 16:37 |
| hannie | cqfd93, ok, in a minute I'll have a look | 16:38 |
| cqfd93 | ok! | 16:41 |
| cqfd93 | Just found something in the Dutch manual: the first paragraph of each section is missing the indentation, the French manual doesn't show this problem | 16:44 |
| hannie | I think in the English version the 1st par has no indentation either | 16:44 |
| hannie | I talked to Kevin about this a long time ago | 16:45 |
| cqfd93 | It looks like it has been fixed in the French version | 16:46 |
| hannie | ah, I know what happened to Comptes utilisateurs | 16:49 |
| hannie | Let me find the link on the bug report I sent to LP a while ago | 16:50 |
| cqfd93 | ok | 16:51 |
| hannie | cqfd93, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/1082852 | 16:52 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 1082852 in ubuntu-manual "chapter6 section user accounts" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:52 |
| cqfd93 | Even the English version has this title problem | 16:52 |
| hannie | hence my bug report :) | 16:52 |
| cqfd93 | :-) | 16:53 |
| hannie | we should switch subsection and section here | 16:53 |
| hannie | We will change this in Raring | 16:53 |
| cqfd93 | But the font sizes will still be wrong? | 16:55 |
| hannie | font of section is bigger than subsection, yes | 16:56 |
| hannie | So, if User account = section and Users and groups = subsection, it should be ok | 16:57 |
| hannie | On second thought, it should be reshuffled | 16:59 |
| cqfd93 | In your bug description, you said: | 17:00 |
| cqfd93 | I think it should be | 17:00 |
| cqfd93 | \section{Users and groups} | 17:00 |
| cqfd93 | \subsection{user accounts}. | 17:00 |
| hannie | Well. user accounts is just one line. It would look odd after paragraph "User and groups" | 17:01 |
| hannie | I would make User account a section and the others subsections | 17:01 |
| cqfd93 | No, user accounts is the title of a subsection that hat 3 paragraphs | 17:02 |
| hannie | So therefore it should be Section (User accounts :) ) | 17:02 |
| cqfd93 | I'm confused... | 17:03 |
| cqfd93 | Let me try to understand: | 17:03 |
| cqfd93 | section Users and groups has several subsections | 17:03 |
| cqfd93 | user accounts | 17:03 |
| hannie | If User accounts would have 3 paragraphs, then those paragraphs would not be subsections | 17:04 |
| cqfd93 | users management | 17:04 |
| hannie | So: the section User accounts has 4 subsections namely: | 17:05 |
| hannie | users and groups/managing users/managing groups/applying groups to files and folders | 17:05 |
| cqfd93 | To me, it should be: | 17:07 |
| cqfd93 | section users and groups | 17:07 |
| cqfd93 | 4 subsections User accounts/managing users/managing groups/applying groups to files and folders | 17:07 |
| cqfd93 | and this is what you imply in your bug report | 17:08 |
| hannie | Shouln't this be: section user accounts, subsection Users and groups | 17:08 |
| cqfd93 | no, because users is just part of users and groups | 17:10 |
| hannie | If you do this: | 17:10 |
| hannie | Section Users and groups (not followed by any text) and then | 17:11 |
| cqfd93 | Hi CarstenG | 17:11 |
| CarstenG | Hi Sylvie | 17:12 |
| hannie | subsection User accounts (with text following), then it is not logical | 17:12 |
| hannie | hi CarstenG | 17:12 |
| CarstenG | Hi Hannie | 17:12 |
| hannie | CarstenG, we were just discussing this bug: | 17:13 |
| hannie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/1082852 | 17:13 |
| manualbot | Launchpad bug 1082852 in ubuntu-manual "chapter6 section user accounts" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:13 |
| cqfd93 | funny that manualbot just repeats the bug number you posted :-) | 17:13 |
| hannie | ah those bots | 17:13 |
| * cqfd93 is thinking about this: Section Users and groups (not followed by any text) and then subsection User accounts (with text following), then it is not logical | 17:15 | |
| hannie | cqfd93, let me read what it says in paragraph Users and groups to see if we can just exchange these two headings | 17:16 |
| cqfd93 | hannie, I think I understand that you think there should be at least one paragraph between these two titles | 17:19 |
| hannie | ok, in the first paragraph they talk about users and groups, so the title is right | 17:19 |
| hannie | cqfd93, I am thinking of a title for the subject/section, followed by the different (sub)sections like: Managing users, Managing groups etc. | 17:21 |
| cqfd93 | to make sure we're talking about the same paragraphs, we should look at the same pdf: the English pdf? | 17:22 |
| hannie | What you suggest is: the title is "Users and groups" and the subsections are: Users and groups, Managing users etc. | 17:23 |
| hannie | sorry, Title = Users and groups, subsections are: user accounts, managing users etc. | 17:24 |
| cqfd93 | Yes: Title = Users and groups, subsections are: user accounts, managing users etc. | 17:25 |
| cqfd93 | that sounds more logical to me | 17:25 |
| cqfd93 | But now, after reading what would be the user accounts section, I see they are talking about groups... grrrrrrrrrrr!!! | 17:26 |
| hannie | Now you see what I mean. Life is difficult :( | 17:27 |
| cqfd93 | ;-) | 17:27 |
| hannie | Hence my proposal to make the title (=section) User accounts and one of its subsections = Users and groups | 17:28 |
| hannie | I need a break........I am going to finish nl.po and upload it. Otherwise kevin may start publishing without these changes | 17:30 |
| hannie | cqfd93, we still have lots of time before Raring is released. So, no worries about sections and subsections :) | 17:30 |
| cqfd93 | OK! | 17:31 |
| hannie | see you all | 17:31 |
| cqfd93 | see you! | 17:31 |
| CarstenG | see you | 17:31 |
| godbyk | Hey, CarstenG. it looks like lulu.com is still having trouble printing the 12.10 manual. | 17:44 |
| CarstenG | Hi Kevin | 17:44 |
| CarstenG | grml. | 17:44 |
| CarstenG | Still with you new PDF with Adobe? | 17:44 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: And we have a new support guy to boot. So far he's just sent me the same link of recommended PDF creation software but with no other useful help. | 17:45 |
| godbyk | As far as I can tell, the current 12.10 manual should be using the PDF that Lulu generated for us. | 17:45 |
| godbyk | So one would assume that PDF would be okay. | 17:45 |
| godbyk | Seems not. | 17:45 |
| godbyk | I think we should start exploring other printers in case lulu.com can't sort this out. | 17:46 |
| cqfd93 | hi godbyk! | 17:46 |
| godbyk | Hey, cqfd93! | 17:46 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: I'm trying to get this lulu.com problem sorted out before I start trying to publish a bunch more manuals with them. | 17:47 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Seems some of their printers don't like our PDFs. But it's difficult to get any details from them. | 17:47 |
| godbyk | They just keep saying, 'You shouldn't use LaTeX.' | 17:47 |
| CarstenG | Yes, we should find a new partner for printing, if lulu can not fix this issue. | 17:47 |
| cqfd93 | do you know what the problem is? | 17:48 |
| CarstenG | GRML | 17:48 |
| CarstenG | LaTeX is the best. :-) | 17:48 |
| CarstenG | They should use good printers ... | 17:48 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: Agreed. | 17:49 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: And it seems that *some* of their printers are fine.. because it printed my copy of the manual without any complaints. And that was back when we still had transparent images and the like. | 17:49 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: I don't know what the problem is. I keep asking and they keep guessing. Then I fix the thing they think is the problem and there are still problems. | 17:49 |
| CarstenG | Yes, so they _can_ print our LaTeX files, if they want. It is not a problem with our files... | 17:50 |
| cqfd93 | do they print the 12.04 manual OK? | 17:50 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Sometimes. | 17:51 |
| cqfd93 | :-( | 17:51 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: They printed it okay for me. But then they had problems printing it for Carsten. | 17:51 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Then I think we got it printed okay for Carsten (right, CarstenG?) but now someone else is having problems getting it printed. | 17:51 |
| cqfd93 | Frustrating and time consuming :-( | 17:52 |
| godbyk | I'm starting a list of possible printers here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/PrintOnDemand | 17:54 |
| godbyk | Right now I'm just pulling up lists of competitors to lulu.com and competitors of the competitors. | 17:54 |
| godbyk | I haven't looked at any of their websites yet. | 17:54 |
| godbyk | We can start looking at their websites and making notes of which ones would work for us, pricing info, etc. | 17:54 |
| CarstenG | Kevin, i have no access to your pad | 19:23 |
| CarstenG | OpenID Authentication Required | 19:23 |
| CarstenG | Authorization is required to access http://pad.ubuntu.com/PrintOnDemand | 19:23 |
| CarstenG | Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again. | 19:23 |
| CarstenG | You are currently logged in as https://login.ubuntu.com/+id/w48WtfY. (logout) | 19:23 |
| CarstenG | Why do I need a login for that pad? | 19:24 |
| CarstenG | Sylvie | 20:23 |
| cqfd93 | Yes CarstenG | 20:23 |
| CarstenG | I have just thought about the "users and groups" topic | 20:24 |
| CarstenG | I stay at my opinion, as I wrote in the bug report | 20:24 |
| cqfd93 | so, we both agree | 20:24 |
| CarstenG | We should make | 20:25 |
| CarstenG | \section{Users and groups} | 20:25 |
| CarstenG | \subsection{user accounts} | 20:25 |
| CarstenG | \subsection{Managing users} | 20:25 |
| CarstenG | \subsection{Managing groups} | 20:25 |
| CarstenG | \subsection{Applying groups to files and folders} | 20:25 |
| cqfd93 | that's exactly what I think | 20:25 |
| cqfd93 | but the first paragraphs are a bit confusing | 20:26 |
| cqfd93 | as they talk about groups | 20:26 |
| CarstenG | as well as users. :-) | 20:27 |
| cqfd93 | yes! | 20:28 |
| CarstenG | So maybe we could move the third paragraph "Every user in Ubuntu is ..." to the \subsection{managing groups} | 20:30 |
| CarstenG | Ok, I would upload the changed section heading to raring and cose the bug. | 20:34 |
| cqfd93 | Yes, that would be good. | 20:36 |
| CarstenG | ok | 20:36 |
| CarstenG | and online in rev 25 :-) | 20:37 |
| manualbot | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/25 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 25 | 20:37 |
| cqfd93 | Good! thanks to the bot for the link ;-) | 20:39 |
| cqfd93 | oops, dead link :-( | 20:39 |
| CarstenG | yeah. Be quiet, Bot! | 20:42 |
| CarstenG | :-) | 20:42 |
| cqfd93 | ;-) | 20:43 |
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