[00:02] <cqfd93> Hi All!
[00:03] <cqfd93> GodbyK, are you listening?
[00:03] <godbyk> cqfd93: Yep!
[00:03] <cqfd93> great news!
[00:04] <cqfd93> we're ready to finalize precise and quantal
[00:04] <godbyk> cqfd93: Ah, excellent!
[00:04] <cqfd93> yes, finally
[00:05] <godbyk> Are both branches ready?
[00:05] <cqfd93> yes, sir!
[00:06] <godbyk> cqfd93: Okay. I should use the fr.po files from Launchpad?
[00:08] <cqfd93> yes, here are the links:
[00:08] <cqfd93> precise : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/125649179/ubuntu-manual_ubuntu-manual-fr.poquantal : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/125649191/ubuntu-manual_ubuntu-manual-fr.po
[00:08] <cqfd93> quantal : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/125649191/ubuntu-manual_ubuntu-manual-fr.po
[00:08] <godbyk> cqfd93: Thanks!
[00:08] <godbyk> cqfd93: I'll start working on it soon and email you if I find any problems or have more tidbits for you to translate.
[00:09] <godbyk> cqfd93: Could you take a look at the text on the back cover and translate those paragraphs for me?  Just email me the translations and I'll have thorwil generate the covers.
[00:09] <godbyk> cqfd93: You can find the English cover in titlepage/lulu-en_US.pdf (or .svg).
[00:10] <cqfd93> Ok!
[00:10] <cqfd93> Can you wait untill tomorrow?
[00:10] <cqfd93> It's late here (1:10am...)
[00:11] <godbyk> cqfd93: Oh, yeah. It's not rush. I won't be able to do too much work on it myself 'til this weekend.
[00:11] <godbyk> You should get some sleep. :)
[00:11] <cqfd93> Yes!
[00:11] <godbyk> cqfd93: G'night!
[00:11] <cqfd93> Thank you!  See you tomorrow.
[00:11] <cqfd93> Bye everybody!
[16:00] <hannie> cqfd93, hi
[16:01] <hannie> I have just added wubi to the glossary, but I have removed the pageref from it (in Dutch version precise-e2)
[16:01] <hannie> I do not think that IN the glossary we should refer to a chapter/section
[16:02] <hannie> It is the other way around. In the section we refer to the explanation of the term in the glossary
[16:15] <cqfd93> Hi Hannie!
[16:15] <hannie> hey cq
[16:16] <hannie> I just changed the sudo line (added \prompt \userinput as you suggested (in Dutch version)
[16:16] <cqfd93> Yes, removing the pageref is probably a good idea, as the wubi section points to the glossary :-)
[16:17] <hannie> I will add the sudo change to my notes for Raring (English). Thanks for reporting it.
[16:18] <hannie> I will upload my nl.po to LP in a minute
[16:18] <cqfd93> for the sudo line and at least another one, I added a line break (\n) between the command and the output
[16:20] <hannie> sudo updategrub is on a line of its own
[16:21] <hannie> ah, yes, just found it. Good catch again ;)
[16:22] <cqfd93> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/precise-e2/+pots/ubuntu-manual/fr/1653/+translate
[16:22] <cqfd93> and
[16:22] <cqfd93> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/precise-e2/+pots/ubuntu-manual/fr/1655/+translate
[16:30] <cqfd93> hannie, can you look at the bottom of page 117 in the French precise-e2 pdf?  There's a problem with the size of the titles "Comptes utilisateurs"
[16:30] <cqfd93> and "Utilisateurs et groupes"
[16:32] <cqfd93> page #111 in the Dutch manual
[16:33] <hannie> I'll have a look right now
[16:35] <hannie> cqfd93, let me finish those \promt \userinput strings first and then I will download fr.po (precise-e2)
[16:37] <cqfd93> hannie, no need to compile it, here is the link to the pdf: http://ubuntuone.com/1fD6ZGk4WYFDcoCMGn6HN2
[16:38] <hannie> cqfd93, ok, in a minute I'll have a look
[16:41] <cqfd93> ok!
[16:44] <cqfd93> Just found something in the Dutch manual: the first paragraph of each section is missing the indentation, the French manual doesn't show this problem
[16:44] <hannie> I think in the English version the 1st par has no indentation either
[16:45] <hannie> I talked to Kevin about this a long time ago
[16:46] <cqfd93> It looks like it has been fixed in the French version
[16:49] <hannie> ah, I know what happened to Comptes utilisateurs
[16:50] <hannie> Let me find the link on the bug report I sent to LP a while ago
[16:51] <cqfd93> ok
[16:52] <hannie> cqfd93, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/1082852
[16:52] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 1082852 in ubuntu-manual "chapter6 section user accounts" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:52] <cqfd93> Even the English version has this title problem
[16:52] <hannie> hence my bug report :)
[16:53] <cqfd93> :-)
[16:53] <hannie> we should switch subsection and section here
[16:53] <hannie> We will change this in Raring
[16:55] <cqfd93> But the font sizes will still be wrong?
[16:56] <hannie> font of section is bigger than subsection, yes
[16:57] <hannie> So, if User account = section and Users and groups = subsection, it should be ok
[16:59] <hannie> On second thought, it should be reshuffled
[17:00] <cqfd93> In your bug description, you said:
[17:00] <cqfd93> I think it should be
[17:00] <cqfd93>  \section{Users and groups}
[17:00] <cqfd93> \subsection{user accounts}.
[17:01] <hannie> Well. user accounts is just one line. It would look odd after paragraph "User and groups"
[17:01] <hannie> I would make User account a section and the others subsections
[17:02] <cqfd93> No, user accounts is the title of a subsection that hat 3 paragraphs
[17:02] <hannie> So therefore it should be Section (User accounts :) )
[17:03] <cqfd93> I'm confused...
[17:03] <cqfd93> Let me try to understand:
[17:03] <cqfd93> section Users and groups has several subsections
[17:03] <cqfd93> user accounts
[17:04] <hannie> If User accounts would have 3 paragraphs, then those paragraphs would not be subsections
[17:04] <cqfd93> users management
[17:05] <hannie> So: the section User accounts has 4 subsections namely:
[17:05] <hannie> users and groups/managing users/managing groups/applying groups to files and folders
[17:07] <cqfd93> To me, it should be:
[17:07] <cqfd93> section users and groups
[17:07] <cqfd93> 4 subsections User accounts/managing users/managing groups/applying groups to files and folders
[17:08] <cqfd93> and this is what you imply in your bug report
[17:08] <hannie> Shouln't this be: section user accounts, subsection Users and groups
[17:10] <cqfd93> no, because users is just part of users and groups
[17:10] <hannie> If you do this:
[17:11] <hannie> Section Users and groups (not followed by any text) and then
[17:11] <cqfd93> Hi CarstenG
[17:12] <CarstenG> Hi Sylvie
[17:12] <hannie> subsection User accounts (with text following), then it is not logical
[17:12] <hannie> hi CarstenG
[17:12] <CarstenG> Hi Hannie
[17:13] <hannie> CarstenG, we were just discussing this bug:
[17:13] <hannie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/1082852
[17:13] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 1082852 in ubuntu-manual "chapter6 section user accounts" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:13] <cqfd93> funny that manualbot just repeats the bug number you posted :-)
[17:13] <hannie> ah those bots
[17:15]  * cqfd93 is thinking about this: Section Users and groups (not followed by any text) and then subsection User accounts (with text following), then it is not logical
[17:16] <hannie> cqfd93, let me read what it says in paragraph Users and groups to see if we can just exchange these two headings
[17:19] <cqfd93> hannie, I think I understand that you think there should be at least one paragraph between these two titles
[17:19] <hannie> ok, in the first paragraph they talk about users and groups, so the title is right
[17:21] <hannie> cqfd93, I am thinking of a title for the subject/section, followed by the different (sub)sections like: Managing users, Managing groups etc.
[17:22] <cqfd93> to make sure we're talking about the same paragraphs, we should look at the same pdf: the English pdf?
[17:23] <hannie> What you suggest is: the title is "Users and groups" and the subsections are: Users and groups, Managing users etc.
[17:24] <hannie> sorry, Title = Users and groups, subsections are: user accounts, managing users etc.
[17:25] <cqfd93> Yes: Title = Users and groups, subsections are: user accounts, managing users etc.
[17:25] <cqfd93> that sounds more logical to me
[17:26] <cqfd93> But now, after reading what would be the user accounts section, I see they are talking about groups... grrrrrrrrrrr!!!
[17:27] <hannie> Now you see what I mean. Life is difficult :(
[17:27] <cqfd93> ;-)
[17:28] <hannie> Hence my proposal to make the title (=section) User accounts and one of its subsections = Users and groups
[17:30] <hannie> I need a break........I am going to finish nl.po and upload it. Otherwise kevin may start publishing without these changes
[17:30] <hannie> cqfd93, we still have lots of time before Raring is released. So, no worries about sections and subsections :)
[17:31] <cqfd93> OK!
[17:31] <hannie> see you all
[17:31] <cqfd93> see you!
[17:31] <CarstenG> see you
[17:44] <godbyk> Hey, CarstenG. it looks like lulu.com is still having trouble printing the 12.10 manual.
[17:44] <CarstenG> Hi Kevin
[17:44] <CarstenG> grml.
[17:44] <CarstenG> Still with you new PDF with Adobe?
[17:45] <godbyk> CarstenG: And we have a new support guy to boot. So far he's just sent me the same link of recommended PDF creation software but with no other useful help.
[17:45] <godbyk> As far as I can tell, the current 12.10 manual should be using the PDF that Lulu generated for us.
[17:45] <godbyk> So one would assume that PDF would be okay.
[17:45] <godbyk> Seems not.
[17:46] <godbyk> I think we should start exploring other printers in case lulu.com can't sort this out.
[17:46] <cqfd93> hi godbyk!
[17:46] <godbyk> Hey, cqfd93!
[17:47] <godbyk> cqfd93: I'm trying to get this lulu.com problem sorted out before I start trying to publish a bunch more manuals with them.
[17:47] <godbyk> cqfd93: Seems some of their printers don't like our PDFs. But it's difficult to get any details from them.
[17:47] <godbyk> They just keep saying, 'You shouldn't use LaTeX.'
[17:47] <CarstenG> Yes, we should find a new partner for printing, if lulu can not fix this issue.
[17:48] <cqfd93> do you know what the problem is?
[17:48] <CarstenG> GRML
[17:48] <CarstenG> LaTeX is the best. :-)
[17:48] <CarstenG> They should use good printers ...
[17:49] <godbyk> CarstenG: Agreed.
[17:49] <godbyk> CarstenG: And it seems that *some* of their printers are fine.. because it printed my copy of the manual without any complaints. And that was back when we still had transparent images and the like.
[17:49] <godbyk> cqfd93: I don't know what the problem is. I keep asking and they keep guessing. Then I fix the thing they think is the problem and there are still problems.
[17:50] <CarstenG> Yes, so they _can_ print our LaTeX files, if they want. It is not a problem with our files...
[17:50] <cqfd93> do they print the 12.04 manual OK?
[17:51] <godbyk> cqfd93: Sometimes.
[17:51] <cqfd93> :-(
[17:51] <godbyk> cqfd93: They printed it okay for me. But then they had problems printing it for Carsten.
[17:51] <godbyk> cqfd93: Then I think we got it printed okay for Carsten (right, CarstenG?) but now someone else is having problems getting it printed.
[17:52] <cqfd93> Frustrating and time consuming :-(
[17:54] <godbyk> I'm starting a list of possible printers here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/PrintOnDemand
[17:54] <godbyk> Right now I'm just pulling up lists of competitors to lulu.com and competitors of the competitors.
[17:54] <godbyk> I haven't looked at any of their websites yet.
[17:54] <godbyk> We can start looking at their websites and making notes of which ones would work for us, pricing info, etc.
[19:23] <CarstenG> Kevin, i have no access to your pad
[19:23] <CarstenG> OpenID Authentication Required
[19:23] <CarstenG> Authorization is required to access http://pad.ubuntu.com/PrintOnDemand
[19:23] <CarstenG> Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again.
[19:23] <CarstenG> You are currently logged in as https://login.ubuntu.com/+id/w48WtfY. (logout)
[19:24] <CarstenG> Why do I need a login for that pad?
[20:23] <CarstenG> Sylvie
[20:23] <cqfd93> Yes CarstenG
[20:24] <CarstenG> I have just thought about the "users and groups" topic
[20:24] <CarstenG> I stay at my opinion, as I wrote in the bug report
[20:24] <cqfd93> so, we both agree
[20:25] <CarstenG> We should make
[20:25] <CarstenG> \section{Users and groups}
[20:25] <CarstenG> \subsection{user accounts}
[20:25] <CarstenG> \subsection{Managing users}
[20:25] <CarstenG> \subsection{Managing groups}
[20:25] <CarstenG> \subsection{Applying groups to files and folders}
[20:25] <cqfd93> that's exactly what I think
[20:26] <cqfd93> but the first paragraphs are a bit confusing
[20:26] <cqfd93> as they talk about groups
[20:27] <CarstenG> as well as users. :-)
[20:28] <cqfd93> yes!
[20:30] <CarstenG> So maybe we could move the third paragraph "Every user in Ubuntu is ..." to the \subsection{managing groups}
[20:34] <CarstenG> Ok, I would upload the changed section heading to raring and cose the bug.
[20:36] <cqfd93> Yes, that would be good.
[20:36] <CarstenG> ok
[20:37] <CarstenG> and online in rev 25 :-)
[20:37] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/25 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 25
[20:39] <cqfd93> Good!  thanks to the bot for the link ;-)
[20:39] <cqfd93> oops, dead link :-(
[20:42] <CarstenG> yeah. Be quiet, Bot!
[20:42] <CarstenG> :-)
[20:43] <cqfd93> ;-)