[00:04] <Daviey> adam_g: Ah, i misunderstood.. I thought there was a set in folsom-proposed waiting to go to folsom-updates.. which needed copying
[00:06] <adam_g> Daviey: theres a stable/folsom sanpshot i put into queue for quantal-proposed (2012.2.1-ubuntu0) that are still waiting to be accepted.  meanwhile, this security update just hit based on 2012.2-0ubuntu5
[00:07] <Daviey> ahh
[00:08] <Daviey> adam_g: if you want to rebase your chsange, i'll reject the current one from the queue?
[00:08] <adam_g> Daviey: ya
[00:09] <Daviey> adam_g: rejected.
[00:24] <adam_g> Daviey: does this new vers for quantal-proposed require a version bump? or does it not, since it was never accepted to begin with?
[00:44] <adam_g> Daviey: also, theres a nova 2012.2+stable-20121102-e76848a0-0ubuntu1 in the quantal-proposed queue that can be rejected, too
[00:45] <adam_g> Daviey: [ubuntu/quantal-proposed] nova 2012.2.1+stable-20121212-a99a802e-0ubuntu1 (Waiting for approval) (the new one). gotta run now. cya
[01:54] <jasonmsp> where can i find documentation on when php will go above 5.3.2 on 10.04?
[02:12] <stiv2k> how come i dont have add-apt-repository command
[02:12] <stiv2k> what package is it found in
[02:13] <sarnold> stiv2k: python-software-properties
[02:14] <stiv2k> no
[02:14] <stiv2k> you're wrong
[02:14] <stiv2k> i tried that and it wasn't in there
[02:15] <sarnold> darn, then time to go hunting at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <stiv2k> lol
[02:20] <stiv2k> i found it
[02:43] <sarnold> silly bot. "New bug...Fix released".
[05:28] <Saturn2888> hi all! :). When running mdadm, if it's rebuilding your array, how do you watch to make sure? I wanna make sure it's actually doing a rebuild.
[05:32] <Saturn2888> I have a feeling it's not working bc "cat /proc/mdstat" doesn't show any progress bars, it's just showing that there's an active raid1 but doesn't show the other drive in here. The drive and partition both do show up in /dev though
[05:42] <Saturn2888> ok weird
[05:42] <Saturn2888> it made a /dev/md127. I want to get rid of /dev/md127 and add that drive back into /dev/md0
[05:48] <frodus> Hi Saturn2888,
[05:48] <frodus> I have just started using RAID1 on ubuntu.
[05:48] <frodus> To rebuild an array I do the following:
[05:48] <frodus> * Delete the partision that is broken..  sudo mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb1
[05:48] <frodus> * Then re-add it to my array.. sudo mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1
[05:48] <frodus> Then you will see that the array rebuild with cat /proc/mdstat
[05:48] <frodus> or to see an update every 10 sec:   watch -n10 cat /proc/mdstat
[07:18] <koolhead17> melmoth: sir
[07:20] <melmoth> hola koolhead17
[07:20] <koolhead17> melmoth: how have you been? too much travelling is it?
[07:20] <melmoth> was in montreal last week.
[07:21] <melmoth> this week, no travelling, and the 2 next ones; holidays (yep, _again_)
[07:22] <koolhead17> melmoth: awesome!! Any india trip?
[07:24] <melmoth> not for me.
[07:24] <melmoth> having an indian visa is quite a challenge apparently
[08:27] <YamakasY> morning all
[09:10] <RoyK> mrnng
[09:13] <Daviey> morning RoyK
[09:35] <stiv2k> RoyK lost his vowels
[09:42] <RoyK> stiv2k: usually happens before coffee
[09:43] <stiv2k> lol
[11:13] <lynxman> melmoth: isn't it too early for you mon ami ;)
[11:13] <melmoth> hmmm ?
[11:13] <melmoth> it s noon
[11:13] <melmoth> and i havent eaten yet !
[11:19]  * cloud_away is now away - Reason : sHOWER
[11:35]  * cloudman is no longer away - Gone for 16 mins 25 secs
[13:47] <zul> jamespage: so where is the info we need for the dep-8 stuff?
[13:49] <jamespage> zul, all linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/Hackfest
[14:07]  * smb cheers at xen-r not in proposed anymore
[14:21] <yolanda> jamespage, zul, trying to verify that bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1087183 - can i get some help on configuring cloud-init in maas?
[14:21] <zul> yolanda: im sooooo the wrong person for that :)
[14:23] <yolanda> zul, do you have some candidate for that?
[14:23] <zul> smoser should be able to help
[14:25] <smoser> yolanda, i think yo ucan call it 'verified'.
[14:25] <smoser> errr, confirmed.
[14:26] <yolanda> i was trying to reproduce it by some way
[14:27] <smoser> well, gettingto that stage will be fairly high curve.
[14:27] <yolanda> and i should say "HIgh" importance?
[14:27] <smoser> it *does* do that, i can validate that. and it was not happenstance.
[14:27] <smoser> high would work.
[14:27] <yolanda> ok
[14:29] <yolanda> mm, should i set the status to same bug but for different projects? or only for the maas(Ubuntu) one?
[14:31] <smoser> yolanda, you can leave the status of the others. or set them. if someone doesn't like how you set them, they can set them otherwise.
[14:31] <yolanda> ok
[14:31] <smoser> often times if i'm changing something i'm not sure about, i just put a comment in to that affect.
[14:32] <smoser> "if you don't like this, please feel free to change it"
[15:22] <zul> Daviey: btw xen and xcp is fixed in raring
[15:29] <zapotah> Hi. Is the default apt repo apache httpd not built with ecc capability?
[15:33] <Daviey> zul: what was the issue
[15:33] <zul> Daviey:  incompatibility between xen-4.1 and xen-4.2
[15:35] <Daviey> ahh
[15:37] <zapotah> zul: what kind of incompatibility?
[15:38] <zapotah> zul: what is the problem
[15:38] <zul> zapotah: xcp is built for xen-4.1 but we have moved to xen-4.2
[15:38] <zapotah> xcp uses by default the xm toolstack
[15:39] <zapotah> if i remember correctly
[15:39] <zul> zapotah: right we are waiting for some more bits from citrix
[15:39] <zapotah> but it was modifiable to use xl
[15:39] <zapotah> xcp is not maintained by citrix
[15:39] <zapotah> citrix contributes
[16:00] <zul> hallyn: so should put the lxc apparmor bits into the libvirt apparmor bits?
[16:07] <hallyn> zul: not sure what you mean.  i think the answer is no
[16:09] <hallyn> zul: we should find out whether jdstrand has thought at all about how to protect libvirt-lxc with apparmor "the right way"
[16:09] <zul> hallyn: we should
[16:09] <hallyn> how would we go about that :)
[16:10] <berndt> Hey, I have recently started experimenting and using my desktop as a personal server
[16:11] <zul> hallyn: something to look at after we are back from christmas
[16:11] <hallyn> zul: agreed
[16:11] <berndt> I want to add a web server so I can display my personal webpages but last time I tried apache, my system sort of messed up and I wasn't able to display anything
[16:12] <berndt> Since I am completely new to server hosting, is there anything I should learn from start? So far I have been able to host a SSH which is working
[16:13] <berndt> I also tried setting up an FTP but so far I have had little success getting it to allow people in. The tutorials I've used haven't been very good either..
[16:15] <RoyK> berndt: which ftp server?
[16:16] <berndt> vsftpd
[16:16] <RoyK> I use that as well, having used it for years
[16:16] <berndt> Then maybe you can help me out with my first problem
[16:16] <RoyK> what is it that doesn't work?
[16:17] <berndt> I followed a tutorial on how to install it and I have opened ports 20 and 21 through my router
[16:17] <RoyK> you don't need to open port 20
[16:17] <RoyK> that's the return port
[16:17] <berndt> Well, it is open either way
[16:18] <RoyK> what's the ip address?
[16:18] <berndt> (but according to www.canyouseeme.com it is not accessible)
[16:18] <berndt> 94.103.193.169
[16:18] <RoyK> works for me
[16:18] <RoyK> one directory, Filmer, which seems to be empty
[16:18] <berndt> yeah, well what I want to do is create a closed FTP
[16:19] <RoyK> then set 'local_enable=yes' and 'anonymous_enable=no' in vsftpd.conf and restart it
[16:19] <berndt> BUT
[16:19] <berndt> what I want to know
[16:20] <RoyK> btw, keep in mind that FTP uses cleartext passwords, which generally isn't a very good idea
[16:20] <RoyK> using sftp instead is far safer
[16:20] <berndt> is if there is a way around having to create system user accounts, and just create a login for the ftp
[16:20] <RoyK> using a client like filezilla
[16:20] <berndt> That is exactly what I want!
[16:21] <RoyK> you can chroot sftp users
[16:21] <berndt> Excuse my ignorance, but I never really understood what chroot was
[16:21] <berndt> I understand what the difference between ftp and sftp is, though
[16:21] <jdstrand> hallyn, zul: I really haven't thought about libvirt-lxc because our preferred lxc solution is lxc and I thought we were going to try to submit a new libvrt driver for our supported lxc when the time was right
[16:21] <RoyK> with sftp, all traffic is sent over ssh, so ssh is responsible fot the security
[16:22] <zul> jdstrand: right
[16:22] <RoyK> with ftp, you use the not-so-good-but-quite-old ftp protocol alone
[16:22] <jdstrand> hallyn, zul: if I were to think about it, I would look at what selinux did and implement the hooks that were added there in the apparmor driver
[16:22] <RoyK> berndt: ftp is generally only used for anonymous setups these days
[16:23] <zul> jdstrand: i can probably poke at it
[16:23] <jdstrand> s/selinux did/the svirt driver did for selinux/
[16:23] <RoyK> berndt: chroot means a client is 'jailed' to her home directory (or some common dir)
[16:23] <hallyn> jdstrand: yes, a driver for our lxc would be preferred for testing and duplication reasons
[16:23] <berndt> RoyK, do I need a different server software than vsftpd to use sftp or do I just need to edit the settings?
[16:23] <RoyK> jdstrand: so, first of all, shut down vsftpd - you don't need it
[16:24] <hallyn> but, i'm heading out.  back briefly next week, but in case i miss y'all, happy holidays
[16:24] <RoyK> sshd does this already
[16:24] <jdstrand> hallyn: you too! :)
[16:24] <RoyK> berndt: and close ports 20-21 in the router
[16:24] <jdstrand> RoyK: I'm assuming that wasn't actually meant for me
[16:24] <berndt> so I just need to have 22 open?
[16:24] <RoyK> berndt: ssh runs over 22/tcp, and since sftp/scp runs over ssh, that's all you need
[16:24] <berndt> jdstrand, it was meant for me :)
[16:24] <RoyK> jdstrand: oops - no :)
[16:25] <berndt> RoyK, so I could just uninstall vsftpd all in all if I have no interest in hosting an anonymous FTP?
[16:25] <RoyK> yeah, remove it
[16:25] <berndt> RoyK, okay 2 sec
[16:26] <berndt> RoyK, there we go. It's gone
[16:26] <RoyK> yep
[16:26] <berndt> RoyK, Now, how do I configure this sftp?
[16:26] <RoyK> now, just try to sftp localhost
[16:27] <berndt> I could connect fine
[16:27] <RoyK> yep
[16:28] <RoyK> berndt: what you can see there, is your home dir, but you can also see anything else on that machine you have access to
[16:28] <RoyK> pwd
[16:28] <RoyK> and it'll probably show you /home/yourusername
[16:28] <berndt> Indeed it does
[16:29] <RoyK> now, create a dummy user for testing and use that further for this
[16:29] <RoyK> http://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chrooted-ssh-sftp-debian-squeeze
[16:29] <RoyK> that lists pretty much what you'll have to do
[16:30] <berndt> by dummyuser, you mean a user on my system, right?
[16:30] <RoyK> yes
[16:30] <RoyK> useradd -m somedummyuser
[16:30] <RoyK> you might want to install rssh and use that as the dummyusers's shell
[16:30] <berndt> I did this yesterday, although through the gui
[16:30]  * RoyK never uses a gui on his servers ;)
[16:31] <berndt> Well, cut me some slack. I have not very long ago migrated to ubuntu from windows, so I am still adapting to using the shell in combination with gui
[16:31] <berndt> baby steps :)
[16:33] <RoyK> berndt: apt-get install rssh # and use that for those sftp-only users
[16:33] <berndt> Am I supposed to include the # sign in the command?
[16:33] <RoyK> berndt: I'm aware of that learning the linux commandline will take time :)
[16:33] <RoyK> that was only given in case you pasted the whole line :)
[16:34] <RoyK> it's a comment sign in bash (your shell)
[16:34] <berndt> yeah I have noticed that, but I am not that stupid.. :)
[16:34] <RoyK> so the bash won't try to parse whatever's after it
[16:34]  * RoyK hasn't named berndt stupid ;)
[16:35] <berndt> anyway, I have done as told and installed rssh
[16:35] <RoyK> then chsh -s /usr/bin/rssh dummyuser
[16:35] <RoyK> btw, this one was a bit better http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=128206
[16:36] <RoyK> describes how to use rssh to chroot users to a given dir
[16:36] <RoyK> your chroot path is likely to be whereever you pointed vsftpd to (or Filmer)
[16:36] <berndt> Okay, what did chsh do? (I could 'man chsh' it but that takes time..)
[16:37] <RoyK> change shell
[16:37] <berndt> so I am using the users shell now?
[16:37] <RoyK> the newly created users will probably be using dash or bash as default - you want rssh to restrict them to only sftp, chrooted, and not ssh login
[16:38] <RoyK> erm
[16:38] <RoyK> no
[16:38] <RoyK> you're not
[16:38] <RoyK> chsh -s /usr/bin/rssh dummyuser <-- set user 'dummyuser's shell to /usr/bin/rssh
[16:38] <RoyK> DON'T set the root shell to rssh
[16:39] <berndt> Oh, so if I were to log in with dummyuser, that would be my initial directory?
[16:39] <RoyK> after you've configured rssh correctly, you'll see
[16:39] <berndt> Oh, okay.
[16:39] <RoyK> see the link I posted above on ubuntuforums
[16:40] <berndt> Yeah, I wondered if you wanted me to read that and come back to you or continue bothering you for help :P
[16:40] <RoyK> I think reading that will help a lot
[16:40] <RoyK> better if you understand what you do than just listen to someone telling you all commands
[16:40] <berndt> Okay, so I'll read that and try my best to get it working, and then I'll come back and report
[16:41] <RoyK> break a leg :)
[16:47] <berndt> It would be better for me to learn a text edit in a terminal rather than gedit I think. Everyone seems to be using either vi or nano..
[16:47] <RoyK> nano is good for a start
[16:47]  * RoyK just uses vim
[16:47] <RoyK> berndt: if you want to learn vim, start by running vimtutor
[16:48] <RoyK> but then, if you want sftp up - better start with nano
[16:48] <RoyK> or gedit
[16:48] <RoyK> or anything, really
[16:48] <RoyK> learning vim takes some time
[16:48] <berndt> I study CS and every now and then there is a heated debate wether vim or emacs is the best text editor
[16:48] <RoyK> well, people will argue about that until the end of days, probably further
[16:48] <berndt> Probably. Anyway,  I will start with nano
[16:50] <berndt> question
[16:50] <berndt> I am currently editing rssh.conf
[16:51] <berndt> and the guide tells me to change the "chrootpath" to /home/chroot. Am I not supposed to change that to my dummyuser?
[16:52] <RoyK> no, you'll want to chroot the users to the path you gave in vsftpd.conf
[16:52] <RoyK> a common path from where users can download their stuff
[16:53] <berndt> okay, but I should change the suggested "/home/chroot" to the one I had chosen before? (Which was /home/dummyuser")
[16:54] <berndt> since I don't have a user called chroot..?
[16:56] <berndt> RoyK ping
[16:56] <RoyK> berndt: where do you have the Filmer directory?
[16:56] <RoyK> berndt: a bit away here from time to time - it's irc - get used to it ;)
[16:56] <berndt> my "dummyuser" is called ftpuser001
[16:56] <berndt> so Filmer is "/home/ftpuser001/Filmer"
[16:57] <berndt> should I edit it to chrootpath = /home/ftpuser001/ ?
[17:00] <RoyK> berndt: do you have a common place from where all the users should download things?
[17:01] <berndt> That is where I want them to download/upload things
[17:01] <RoyK> yes
[17:02] <berndt> then I am editing it that way!
[17:02] <berndt> What command do I use in nano to "save"?
[17:02] <RoyK> see bottom
[17:02] <RoyK> ^X is exit (iirc) and that'll prompty you
[17:03]  * RoyK slaps uvirtbot 
[17:03] <berndt> isn't there a normal save command?
[17:03] <RoyK> afaics, no
[17:03] <berndt> Alright
[17:03] <berndt> well, saved
[17:03] <RoyK> I don't use nano a lot (as in close to never)
[17:03] <berndt> continuing with tutorial
[17:16] <berndt> RoyK I have run into a problem - I am supposed to copy a libnss_compat.so.2 to the directory, but I don't have the file in its original directory (/lib/)
[17:17] <berndt> RoyK, what should I do if I don't even have the file on my system? :S
[17:47] <berndt> RoyK, I am apparently missing another system file. This time it's /etc/init.d/sysklogd which seems crucial to this tutorial...
[17:53] <berndt> found it, it was located in /etc/rsyslog.conf
[18:03] <freakynl> Hi, can I make aptitude (apt-get) work over socks? More specifically, ssh -D (socks 4/5)
[18:05] <mathiaz> smoser: hello!
[18:05] <mathiaz> smoser: long time no see
[18:05] <smoser> mathiaz, hey.
[18:05] <smoser> i've only got a few minutes. what sup ?
[18:05] <mathiaz> smoser: playing with cloudinit
[18:05] <Daviey> mathiaz: HEY!
[18:05] <mathiaz> smoser: and using a multipart user data
[18:05] <smoser> (oh yeah, and good to see you :)
[18:06] <mathiaz> smoser: because I want to execute a script before cloud-config is run)
[18:06] <Daviey> mathiaz is like, one of those really bad ex's... Only contacts you when they want something.
[18:06] <mathiaz> smoser: however it seems that cloudinit is always started before the script
[18:06] <mathiaz> smoser: even the script mime part is before the cloud-init mime part in the user data payload
[18:06] <mathiaz> Daviey: hi!
[18:06] <mathiaz> Daviey: good to see you to
[18:06] <mathiaz> Daviey: *too*
[18:07] <mathiaz> smoser: any quick idea why?
[18:07] <smoser> thats how its designed.
[18:07] <mathiaz> smoser: so there is no way to run a script before cloud-init?
[18:08] <smoser> your saying the config modules are happening before your user-data part is handled.
[18:08] <mathiaz> smoser: well I've got 2 parts in the user-data
[18:08] <smoser> right.
[18:08] <smoser> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit
[18:08] <smoser> you are wanting a boot hook.
[18:08] <smoser> that is executed pretty much as soon as its read.
[18:08] <mathiaz> smoser: great - I'll look into this
[18:09] <smoser> (note, also, that cloud-config's "bootcmd" are similar)
[18:09] <mathiaz> smoser: I need to fix an ami before cloud-config is run
[18:09] <smoser> riht.
[18:09] <smoser> boot hook will do.
[18:09] <mathiaz> smoser: great! thanks!
[18:51]  * lborda asks: Hello... would you know the reason why +x permission on usb mounted sticks have been removed on precise ? reproducer is here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1430249/ ... It's works on Lucid though
[18:52] <RoyK> what filesystem?
[18:53] <berndt> RoyK, can you help me try my ftp?
[18:53] <berndt> I'll pm
[19:06] <lborda> RoyK, FAT32 or NTFS
[19:07] <RoyK> well, find out which
[19:09] <lborda> RoyK, sorry both have the same result...
[19:16] <berndt> I am running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS x86 and am trying to set up a sftp. I have run into a bit of an issue where I need to change settings in files that are no longer in the same places..
[19:16] <berndt> First file I don't have is /etc/libnss_compact.so.2
[19:17] <berndt> Second file I don't have is /etc/init.d/sysklogd . This file has apparently been replaced by /etc/rsyslog.conf
[19:20] <sarnold> berndt: you should perhaps take a step back and describe _what_ you're trying to accomplish.
[19:20] <berndt> "I am running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS x86 and am trying to set up a sftp."
[19:20] <berndt> I am following the tutorial http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=128206
[19:20] <berndt> but it dates back to 2006 and distributions have changed
[19:20] <sarnold> berndt: I strongly doubt that any debian-derived distro has ever placed a shared lib (or symlink to a shared lib) in /etc, so I'm already skeptical of whatever guide you're following, and rsyslogd has been the syslog of choice for a long time...
[19:21] <sarnold> "set up an sftp" is pretty vague. In what way doesn't "sftp localhost" work?
[19:22] <berndt> sftp localhost does work
[19:22] <patdk-wk> hmm, sftp is enabled by default :)
[19:22] <patdk-wk> maybe what you mean is chroot sftp?
[19:22] <berndt> yes
[19:22] <berndt> indeed
[19:22] <berndt> my bad
[19:22] <patdk-wk> in that case look at the openssh instructions
[19:22] <berndt> I am trying to chroot sftp
[19:22] <patdk-wk> it's been builtin for awhile now
[19:22] <berndt> patdk-wk I have no clue where to look
[19:22] <patdk-wk> since 2009?
[19:22] <patdk-wk> I just told you where, but you can ignore me
[19:23] <berndt> patdk-wk where are the openssh instructions?
[19:23] <berndt> man openssh?
[19:23] <patdk-wk> man sshd
[19:30] <jcastro_> Daviey: do we know who runs ubuntuserverguide.com?
[19:40] <octeris> Hi all! I currently have a computer running Ubuntu Server 12.04.1 and I was wondering if it was possible to set up networking using a static IP with DHCP as a fallback through the /etc/network/interfaces file? i.e. I'd like the server to use the static ip setup in the interfaces file and then ask DHCP for an IP if the static IP fails for any reason.
[19:41] <SpamapS> smoser: are you aware of issues booting quantal images on OpenStack?
[19:41] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1430358/
[19:41] <SpamapS> smoser: ^^
[19:41] <SpamapS> smoser: does not seem to detect the EC2 data source
[19:41] <SpamapS> smoser: precise works fine
[19:47] <SpamapS> utlemming: ^^ you have any ideas on that
[19:47] <SpamapS> ?
[19:48] <utlemming> SpamapS: up grade your quatnal image. that looks like a mountal bug
[19:48] <SpamapS> upgrade beyond http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/quantal/current/ ???
[19:49] <SpamapS> Cloud-init v. 0.7 finished at Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:35:50 +0000. Datasource DataSourceNone.  Up 270.37 seconds
[19:49] <SpamapS> utlemming: note, did not find the data source
[19:49] <utlemming> SpamapS: let me look
[19:50] <utlemming> SpamapS: sorry, otp...can you give me a few minutes to look at it?
[19:50] <SpamapS> utlemming: you can take all day :)
[19:50] <SpamapS> utlemming: but, the sooner, the better of course :)
[19:54] <patdk-wk> octeris, hmm, the whole point of static ip is it can't fail :)
[19:55] <SpamapS> octeris: yeah, define "the static IP fails"
[19:55] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: I guess your answer was good enough :)
[20:09] <octeris> Hi all! I currently have a computer running Ubuntu Server 12.04.1 and I was wondering if it was possible to set up networking using a static IP with DHCP as a fallback through the /etc/network/interfaces file? i.e. I'd like the server to use the static IP setup in the interfaces file and then ask DHCP for an IP if the static IP fails for any reason.
[20:11] <sarnold> octeris: in what possible way could "static ip" fail? The whole point of static ip is that it can't fail.
[20:12] <sarnold> octeris: are you instead asking how you can use two ISPs to provide some kind of failover between them?
[20:12] <octeris> sarnold: no
[20:12] <octeris> sarnold: What if a computer on the network was already assigned the IP via DHCP when the server boots up?
[20:13] <sarnold> octeris: then you find your DHCP administrator and smack him about the head for putting manually assigned IPs in the same range as DHCP-assigned IPs. :)
[20:13] <octeris> sarnold: or in the current case I have, I moved the server to a new network here at my parent's house temporarily and the static IP was setup with a network with 192.168.1.1 as the default gateway, and here on this network the default gateway is 192.168.0.1 instead
[20:13] <octeris> so it's attempting to assign itself to an invalid static IP
[20:14] <sarnold> _ah_, now the real problem is known. :D
[20:14] <octeris> was just giving you another example of a possible case where you might want to have this type of 'fallback' set up? :)
[20:15] <sarnold> octeris: if it were me, I'd probably just route "ip route del .. " and "ip route add" commands until it's all set to work :) hehe
[20:15] <octeris> in any case it'd simply be nice to have DHCP be the fallback so that even if the static IP fails I can still ssh into the 'marooned' server and modify the network interfaces file without having to reattach a monitor + keyboard/mouse temporarily
[20:19] <octeris> sarnold: if that's my only option what man pages should I read up on?
[20:21] <sarnold> octeris: does this machine move between the networks daily? I wonder if swapping between having /etc/network/interfaces and NetworkManager manage the network make some kind of sense... if it's moved daily, it might even make sense tochange the static configuration to dynamic, so you can just rely on dhcp...
[20:21] <sarnold> octeris: if it only moves once every few months, you can probably delete your old default route, add a new route for the router's network, and then add the router as the new default route
[20:22] <sarnold> octeris: the new tool for that is 'ip', though the older tools, 'ifconfig' and 'route' still work. all their manpages will be useful but perhaps assume a fair amount of knowledge ...
[20:23] <octeris> sarnold: it'll move once more within the next couple of weeks and then it won't move for at least a year. only reason I need to get in there and bother with it anyway is because my music is hosted on it over samba shares
[20:23] <sarnold> octeris: the lartc.org howto may be able to help, but (a) the clear majority of that is _way_ beyond what you're trying to do (b) doesn't have any distro-specific knowledge, so it won't be much help for fiddling with /etc/network/interfaces or networkmangler or whatever...
[20:23] <octeris> hmmm, okay. thanks for pointing me in a direction! :)
[20:24] <sarnold> octeris: have fun :) and good luck..
[20:24] <octeris> and the only reason I don't let it be managed by DHCP is I'd like to avoid restarting the server for certain package upgrades to cause it to possibly switch IPs on me and then have to re-configure my hosts file or port forwarding
[20:25] <octeris> especially since my network shares target the hostname instead of the
[20:25] <octeris> IP
[20:27] <sarnold> funny enough, with my new asus wifi+router deal, all the machines in the house (windows, os x, linux) all correctly dhcp with hostnames and it automatically serves dns; 'ssh dean' gets to my pandaboard and took no effort at all...
[20:28] <sarnold> my old tomato-based router had a page to assign names to machines, it worked, but required administration effort. you might be able to do one or the other -- automagic dns entries for you or some semi-managed dns..
[20:28] <octeris> sarnold: yeah I don't have any real control over the router here. once I get back onto my own network in my new apartment in a couple weeks I could probably serve DNS from the router
[20:28] <octeris> sarnold: I use a WRT54GL so I think Tomato can run on that? but I've never tried
[20:29] <sarnold> octeris: yeah, it should. (L == "Linux")
[20:29] <sarnold> octeris: but the default wasn't so bad on that router ...
[20:29] <octeris> sarnold: yeah it's actually not, but I've not looked into serving DNS from it
[20:29] <SpamapS> utlemming: just to make things even more fun, I just accepted the quantal SRU for cloud-init :)
[20:33] <octeris> sarnold: kind of an OT for the channel but relates to our discussion, if I configure Windows to use OpenDNS will it bypass the router DNS when looking up hostnames for local machines? my guess is yes but you might have more first-hand experience
[20:34] <sarnold> octeris: yeah, if you override the dhcp-supplied dns configuration, then it'll skip it entirely
[20:35] <octeris> sarnold: makes sense. thanks for all your help!
[20:35] <sarnold> octeris: have fun :)
[20:47] <bcessa> hi, I'm trying to get mail-delivery-stack up and running, however after many attempts I can't get SMPT AUTH to work properly
[21:31] <jtane> hello, does anyone have exp with Upstart's user jobs feature?
[21:32] <jtane> this is the only thing i seemed to find... http://bradleyayers.blogspot.com/2011/10/upstart-user-jobs-on-ubuntu-1110.html
[21:32] <jtane> wondering if there is something more official
[21:35] <jtane> oops just realized there is #upstart, sorry
[23:11] <SpamapS> utlemming: any ideas on the cloud-init quantal thing I pastebinned earlier?
[23:12] <utlemming> SpamapS: yup, its https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078926
[23:13] <utlemming> SpamapS: the version in that daily is bad
[23:13] <SpamapS> utlemming: thats the *current*
[23:13] <utlemming> SpamapS: right, but it has a serial of yesterday
[23:13] <utlemming> SpamapS: look http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/quantal/current/quantal-server-cloudimg-amd64.manifest
[23:13] <SpamapS> oh hah
[23:13] <SpamapS> and I see, Fix Released 12/11
[23:14] <utlemming> SpamapS: new image being spun
[23:14] <SpamapS> utlemming: so like, you just published the fixed ones?
[23:14] <SpamapS> But, I want to run 20121212's darn it ;)
[23:15] <utlemming> SpamapS: I believe you'll have about a 50% success with that
[23:15] <utlemming> but if you want...
[23:15] <utlemming> in all seriousness I want to kick a new Quantal and Precise out the door shortly anyway
[23:15] <SpamapS> mountall 2.42ubuntu0.1
[23:15] <utlemming> I was waiting on this fix to land
[23:15] <SpamapS> utlemming: I've booted 5 times, and had 0% success.
[23:16] <SpamapS> utlemming: probably owing to my dedicated system which always does the race this one way ;)
[23:16] <utlemming> potentially...it was tricky bug to troubleshoot
[23:17] <SpamapS> Yeah races are the bain of all debuggers' existence :)
[23:17] <SpamapS> utlemming: ok, anything I can do to help? I'll of course test as soon as they drop.
[23:18] <utlemming> SpamapS: wait about 30 minutes :)
[23:18] <SpamapS> I can do that. :)