| popey | BED | 00:00 |
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| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/pics/pano2.jpg | 00:02 |
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| * neuro is trying a reinstall of 12.10 after upgrading to parallels 8 | 08:20 | |
| neuro | it didn't like the parallels 7 drivers :P | 08:20 |
| neuro | ze post install triggers, zey take FOREVAH ... | 08:33 |
| neuro | mornin aquarius, popey | 08:34 |
| popey | yo | 08:34 |
| popey | neuro, you went to school where they filmed gregorys girl? | 08:34 |
| neuro | aye | 08:34 |
| popey | neat | 08:34 |
| popey | loved that film | 08:34 |
| neuro | 1986-1992 | 08:34 |
| popey | mmmm clare grogan | 08:34 |
| neuro | i remember them filming though | 08:34 |
| neuro | my dad's red lada riva can be glimpsed in the background at one point | 08:35 |
| neuro | and the chip shop they go to was our regular | 08:35 |
| neuro | and i was a paperboy in the newsagents inside the little shopping centre beside the chippy | 08:35 |
| neuro | and when gregory is in goals, you can see my nana's bungalow at the end of the row behind the goals (the one with the open back door) | 08:36 |
| neuro | although i'm not sure she had moved in by 1980 | 08:36 |
| neuro | that film wound me up though | 08:37 |
| neuro | they went to classes on the wrong floors | 08:37 |
| neuro | they went into an underpass on one side of cumbernauld and came out the other end a good couple of miles away | 08:37 |
| neuro | ah the fun of having a film made in your town | 08:38 |
| neuro | and, indeed, your school | 08:38 |
| neuro | i still think of it as some kind of weird oddity that no-one knows about | 08:38 |
| neuro | then someone like yourself says "i love it!" | 08:39 |
| neuro | reality disconnect | 08:39 |
| neuro | "Installation is complete" ... it's driver time | 08:39 |
| neuro | or not | 08:41 |
| neuro | ugh, "Rubbish Bin" | 08:44 |
| neuro | ugh, Amazon lens | 08:45 |
| neuro | ugh, dash | 08:45 |
| popey | heh | 08:45 |
| neuro | #include <tiredoldarguments.c> | 08:45 |
| neuro | .c? | 08:45 |
| * neuro slaps himself in the face | 08:45 | |
| neuro | look like aq is having virgin media fun | 08:47 |
| neuro | aquarius: having fun? :) | 08:47 |
| aquarius | neuro, I'm home now | 08:48 |
| aquarius | so, no. | 08:48 |
| neuro | ha | 08:48 |
| neuro | where was ya? | 08:48 |
| neuro | "Congratulations!" let's wait and see if it works before we all go back slapping each other, eh Parallels? | 08:52 |
| neuro | well, whaddya know | 08:53 |
| neuro_ubuntu | boink | 08:55 |
| neuro_ubuntu | ok, why do app icons get slammed in the dash after i install them | 08:55 |
| neuro_ubuntu | lol ubuntu your drunk | 08:57 |
| neuro | it really pains me to say that i don't like this | 08:59 |
| AlanBell | that would be the launcher | 08:59 |
| AlanBell | which is a mix of stuff that is running and stuff that isn't running (but not all your stuff that isn't running) | 09:00 |
| neuro | and the distinction is unclear | 09:00 |
| neuro | and the concertina effect is terrible | 09:01 |
| AlanBell | there are pips next to the icons which indicate whether it is running and count the number of windows it has, in the numerology of diskworld trolls | 09:02 |
| AlanBell | one two lots many | 09:02 |
| AlanBell | s/diskworld/discworld/ | 09:02 |
| neuro | yeah like the os x dock | 09:03 |
| neuro | ok cool | 09:03 |
| AlanBell | apparently so | 09:03 |
| neuro | but the animation to show something has been clicked on and it's starting up isn't that great | 09:03 |
| neuro | especially when the icon takes up the bulk of the launcher space | 09:04 |
| AlanBell | there was a lot of "whut, that makes no sense at all!" a couple of years ago, but it made heaps of sense to the folk with macs on their desks | 09:04 |
| neuro | augh, that concertina thing kills me | 09:04 |
| neuro | oh i bet | 09:04 |
| neuro | and why mounted drives are there too i don't know | 09:04 |
| neuro | what if i connect to 20 mounts when i login | 09:04 |
| neuro | oh good, there are now 20 doobries on the launcher | 09:04 |
| neuro | it's like bloody windows preloaded crapware | 09:05 |
| AlanBell | depends how they are mounted, USB devices go there, ssh mounts in nautilus don't | 09:05 |
| neuro | i have to spend an age faffing with stuff to get rid of the crap | 09:05 |
| neuro | amazon thing, bye bye | 09:06 |
| neuro | ubuntu one music, bye bye | 09:06 |
| AlanBell | the launcher makes more sense when it is empty of pinned things | 09:06 |
| neuro | but it ships with pinned things | 09:07 |
| neuro | and yay, chromium just died on its arse | 09:07 |
| neuro | and the ubuntu one login thingy isn't looking too smart either | 09:08 |
| neuro | jings this is a mess :( | 09:08 |
| neuro | first time i've properly played with it | 09:09 |
| neuro | didn't ubuntu one use to have a notification indicator for the top right? | 09:09 |
| AlanBell | hmm? | 09:12 |
| popey | neuro, no, we dont have one | 09:14 |
| popey | used to some while back | 09:14 |
| popey | there are 3rd party ones too | 09:14 |
| neuro | hmm | 09:14 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:15 |
| neuro | eey oop | 09:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning earthlings | 09:15 |
| neuro | earthlings? | 09:15 |
| neuro | speak for yourself :) | 09:15 |
| davmor2 | neuro: 'ow am ya | 09:15 |
| neuro | davmor2: still "enjoying" funemployment, otherwise fine :) | 09:16 |
| neuro | hows yerself? | 09:16 |
| Azelphur | whelp, seems like my connectivity issue is because of openreach, and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it | 09:16 |
| Azelphur | no internet for Azelphur till February | 09:16 |
| neuro | yay openreach | 09:17 |
| Azelphur | gotta love em | 09:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Azelphur: Have you asked Plusnet - they deliver Infinity but under their own brand | 09:17 |
| AlanBell | Azelphur: yikes, so tethering only | 09:17 |
| davmor2 | neuro: bummer on the funemployment, I'm good thanks | 09:17 |
| neuro | ta | 09:17 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: openreach have to come and install it though | 09:17 |
| Azelphur | TheOpenSourcerer: no, but I've asked BT and TalkTalk and they both say exactly the same date, because it's all under openreach | 09:18 |
| neuro | hang on a second | 09:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ak - OK | 09:18 |
| neuro | let me rant for a tick | 09:18 |
| Azelphur | yea, openreach are the hold up, so it'll be the same no matter which ISP I choose :< | 09:18 |
| neuro | INFINITY IS A BRAND TOO!!!! | 09:18 |
| neuro | rant over | 09:18 |
| Azelphur | talktalk seems the best bang for buck VDSL wise though | 09:18 |
| neuro | eww, really? | 09:18 |
| Azelphur | by quite a way, yea | 09:18 |
| * neuro uses sky and bt | 09:19 | |
| neuro | sky do proper unlimited for 30 a month | 09:19 |
| neuro | bt infinity2 is unlimited, except for p2p, which they throttle during peak hours | 09:19 |
| Azelphur | talktalk do proper unlimited for 15 a month | 09:19 |
| neuro | but in saying that, i've seen hide nor hair of any throttling | 09:19 |
| neuro | o rly | 09:19 |
| Azelphur | yup | 09:20 |
| * neuro pokes | 09:20 | |
| neuro | they have SUCH a bad reputation that it hurts though | 09:20 |
| popey | p2p is so last decade | 09:21 |
| popey | like flares, usenet made a come-back :) | 09:21 |
| arsen | AAISP if you want a good ISP. best one ive ever had by far. | 09:21 |
| SuperMatt | ooh, nice to see the new background has landed in raring :) | 09:22 |
| AlanBell | popey: p2p is a code word for bittorrent | 09:22 |
| * Azelphur counter pokes | 09:22 | |
| Azelphur | all things added up to get 76mbit unlimited from talktalk is £31/mo | 09:22 |
| Azelphur | sky is like £45 | 09:22 |
| Azelphur | I've been through a list of literally every FTTC provider so currently know all the pricing plans in and out, haha | 09:22 |
| arsen | they'll deal with openreach so you dont haev to. | 09:22 |
| popey | AlanBell, i know :) and usenet > bittorrent | 09:22 |
| AlanBell | is that nntp? | 09:23 |
| popey | ya | 09:23 |
| neuro | 31/mo? | 09:23 |
| * AlanBell used to be on alt.fan.pratchett all the time | 09:23 | |
| Azelphur | arsen: yea but they are way too low bandwidth cap wise | 09:23 |
| neuro | i make it £36.45 | 09:24 |
| Azelphur | neuro actually it seems like they are on the up, they are ranked 4 for customer support now | 09:24 |
| popey | the interesting thing is that the media companies go after end users for p2p based copyright violations, but go after the backend (not the users) for usenet violations | 09:24 |
| Azelphur | and I was just on the phone to a guy that seemed very knowledgeable and didn't treat me like an idiot as often happens | 09:24 |
| arsen | well you pay for usage, Azelphur - they arent ideal if you want to download heavily 9-5, but outside of that it's not too bad. It's a business pricing model. Customer support is above and beyond though. | 09:25 |
| Azelphur | yea, I use a lot of bandwidth all the time | 09:25 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer still uses nntp - gmane.org FTW! | 09:26 | |
| neuro | ah, talktalk use traffic management | 09:27 |
| neuro | i.e. ick | 09:27 |
| Azelphur | neuro: so does all ISPs | 09:27 |
| neuro | sky don't | 09:27 |
| Azelphur | openreach use traffic management | 09:28 |
| Azelphur | so sky does by default | 09:28 |
| neuro | o rly | 09:29 |
| Azelphur | yea | 09:29 |
| Azelphur | you'll find all ISPs prioritise time critical traffic over P2P and such | 09:29 |
| neuro | um | 09:29 |
| neuro | no | 09:29 |
| neuro | openreach aren't involved at the ip layer | 09:30 |
| JamesTai1 | Good morning all! :) | 09:30 |
| * Azelphur shrugs | 09:31 | |
| Azelphur | http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2012/09/bt-openreach-uk-warns-broadband-engineer-delays-to-last-for-months.html I guess this is the issue I'm having :( | 09:32 |
| neuro | Azelphur: it's a layer 2 hand off at the exchange | 09:33 |
| Azelphur | neuro: I've always thought all ISPs do a little shaping, maybe I'm wrong | 09:34 |
| neuro | you are, sorry :) | 09:34 |
| * Azelphur adorns his wrong hat | 09:34 | |
| Azelphur | suppose we shall see if the shaping is worth the extra £14/mo :p | 09:34 |
| neuro | you're right that a lot of ISPs do | 09:34 |
| neuro | but some don't | 09:34 |
| neuro | Sky is the biggest that does | 09:34 |
| neuro | n't | 09:34 |
| neuro | :P | 09:34 |
| Azelphur | lol | 09:35 |
| neuro | they invested heavily in backhaul after they bought easynet | 09:35 |
| neuro | so they have network to spare | 09:35 |
| neuro | whereas talktalk is a mishmash of their own network, tiscali/aol's and pipex's. | 09:37 |
| neuro | arsen mentions AAISP as well, they are good (and RevK is a boss at hassling BT about faults), but their packages can be a bit over complex | 09:39 |
| Azelphur | yea too expensive for someone like me that can clock a terabyte in a month | 09:44 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 09:51 |
| neuro | is it? | 09:52 |
| neuro | IS IT? | 09:52 |
| davmor2 | neuro: it is now I have coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 09:52 |
| neuro | :) | 09:52 |
| neuro | i am cornholio | 09:52 |
| neuro | i need sugar for my latte | 09:53 |
| neuro | frrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiikakakakakaka | 09:53 |
| neuro | well hello there, google maps app for ios | 09:53 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Good morning peeps | 10:02 |
| SuperMatt | morning bigcalm_laptop | 10:05 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Looking for a firefox addon to let me take full page screenshots. There seems to be a few, any suggestions? | 10:33 |
| tsimpson | F11 + PrtScr | 10:34 |
| popey | http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/ i use that in chromium, dunno if they have a firefox version | 10:35 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Not too bothered about the web browser atm. Thanks popey, I'll give it a go | 10:36 |
| * bigcalm_laptop drums his fingers while it continues 'checking...' on install | 10:39 | |
| bigcalm_laptop | davmor2 to the rescue in firefox: shift+f2 -> screenshot foo.png 0 true | 10:43 |
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| bigcalm_laptop | Is it nap time yet? | 11:09 |
| AlanBell | bigcalm_laptop: http://www.paulhammond.org/webkit2png/ | 11:29 |
| AlanBell | then again, is that mac only :( | 11:34 |
| SuperMatt | it's python though, it may work | 11:36 |
| SuperMatt | oh no, it imports some mac only stuff :( | 11:36 |
| AlanBell | !info wkhtmltopdf | 11:36 |
| lubotu3 | wkhtmltopdf (source: wkhtmltopdf): Command line utility to convert html to pdf using WebKit. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.9-4 (quantal), package size 100 kB, installed size 270 kB | 11:37 |
| AlanBell | that kind of works, but looks a bit rubbish, not doing all the css | 11:37 |
| gord | phantom works | 11:41 |
| AlanBell | !info phantomjs | 11:43 |
| lubotu3 | phantomjs (source: phantomjs): minimalistic headless WebKit-based with JavaScript API. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.0-5ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 14573 kB, installed size 37712 kB | 11:43 |
| AlanBell | how do I use it? | 11:43 |
| AlanBell | phantomjs /usr/share/doc/phantomjs/examples/rasterize.js http://slashdot.org slashdot.png | 11:46 |
| AlanBell | eog slashdot.png | 11:46 |
| * AlanBell likes that, always wanted to know how to do those :) | 11:46 | |
| AlanBell | and the firefox shift+f2 thing works and is cool too | 11:50 |
| popey | \o/ http://www.speedtest.net/result/2369776557.png | 12:45 |
| popey | only noticed because steam was downloading at 8MB/s which I thought was odd | 12:45 |
| dutchie | popey putting the A in ADSL | 12:46 |
| Laney | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2369794618.png | 12:50 |
| Laney | (H) | 12:50 |
| popey | yowzer! | 12:55 |
| popey | nice | 12:55 |
| directhex | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2369812335.png | 13:00 |
| davidmarais | my account has been disabled on https://login.ubuntu.com after trying to login. | 13:09 |
| davidmarais | Who could help me to reset my details to log back in? | 13:09 |
| AlanBell | probably ask in #canonical-sysadmin or possibly #launchpad | 13:10 |
| davidmarais | AlanbBell: thanks will try that | 13:13 |
| Laney | directhex: what's the total monthly cost of bt infinity? | 14:18 |
| Laney | just got a "give us more money please" email from virgin | 14:19 |
| directhex | somewhere around the £40 mark - 26 quid for the internets plus about eleven quid for line rental. that includes some calls etc | 14:20 |
| Laney | hmm, about the same then | 14:20 |
| directhex | the way you get charged is a bit squiffy though, rather than various one-off charges like setup they bump your monthly bill up for a while | 14:21 |
| directhex | can't be more accurate; haven't filed away a bt bill for more than a year :) | 14:21 |
| directhex | oh, bt do FTTH now | 14:29 |
| directhex | as "bt infinity 160 Mb" | 14:29 |
| Laney | yeah | 14:29 |
| Laney | the checker doesn't say i can get that | 14:29 |
| andylockran | guys, can anyone offer me an opinion on this please? http://www.andyloughran.co.uk:8080/mvc-external-api-usage | 14:30 |
| directhex | huh, my bt homehub has a gigglebit port, yet i've connected it to my giggglebit switch via 10/100. oops. | 14:32 |
| daubers | Laney: Plusnet where quoting me ~£40 as well | 14:44 |
| Laney | daubers: ta, since that's about the same as i'll be paying with VM I don't think I can be bothered to switch | 14:46 |
| daubers | I'm tempted to switch to A&A sometime next year. FTTH might sway me from that though. See how I feel in January | 14:49 |
| jimr_ | anybody now why "wget --no-check-certificate https://m2mconnect.orange.co.uk/orange-soap/services/MessageServiceByCountry?wsdl" fails but I cant get to it via browser? | 15:25 |
| james_w | andylockran, what makes an API a datastore? | 15:26 |
| jimr_ | nm added --secure-protocol=SSLv3 and it works | 15:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | quick python string question if I may: | 15:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | mystring = '[REF] NAME' | 15:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | REF and NAME could be any string. Bur REF, if present, will always be wrapped in [] | 15:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | How can I split this string into it's two parts reliably? | 15:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It's unlikely, but either string could legitimately contain [ &/or ] too. | 15:34 |
| AlanBell | import re | 15:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | regex. yes. | 15:35 |
| AlanBell | matches=re.search('\[.*\]',mystring) | 15:35 |
| AlanBell | matches.group(0) contains REF | 15:36 |
| AlanBell | [REF] rather | 15:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | group910 contains the rest or not? | 15:37 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ooops group(1) | 15:37 |
| AlanBell | erm, no, one sec :) | 15:37 |
| AlanBell | matches=re.search('(\[.*\])(.*)',mystring) | 15:39 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ahh. | 15:39 |
| AlanBell | group(0) is the whole thing (1) is [REF] (2) is ' NAME' | 15:40 |
| AlanBell | matches=re.search('(\[.*\]) (.*)',mystring) < put a space in there to not match the space if it is consistently there | 15:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Cool. Ta. | 15:41 |
| AlanBell | Internet Explorer is a pile of stinky | 15:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It is that | 15:42 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | anything less than IE9 is rubbish | 15:43 |
| directhex | ie10 sucks less, according to the "ie10 sucks less" advertising campaign | 15:43 |
| AlanBell | yes, doesn't support .indexOf for arrays, and silently fails to append invalid HTML to DOM nodes | 15:43 |
| directhex | ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lD9FAOPBiDk ) | 15:44 |
| AlanBell | to be fair, I shouldn't have been appending invalid HTML, but it worked without raising an error in other browsers and failed without raising an error in IE | 15:44 |
| brianb | windows 8 is over hyped | 15:45 |
| bigcalm_laptop | !ping | 15:47 |
| lubotu3 | pong! | 15:47 |
| brianb | why did Microsoft get rid of windows 8 chief designer | 15:47 |
| andylockran | ? | 15:50 |
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| andylockran | python/django Question.. | 16:31 |
| andylockran | see the example on the front page here; https://github.com/campaignmonitor/createsend-python | 16:31 |
| andylockran | what's the best way to make that list a ForeignKey of a model in Django? (clientName,ClientId) .etc | 16:31 |
| andylockran | I'm thinking dropping the django admin and just writing my own views; but there's gotta be a simple way, surely.. | 16:32 |
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| aydin | anyone know how to fix http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13867887/php-soap-client-https-cannot-connect? issue seems to be one with file_get_contents(). It is pretty much a clean unbuntu 12.10 install | 20:59 |
| MartijnVdS | aydin: what's the error? | 21:05 |
| MartijnVdS | Could not connect to host | 21:05 |
| * MartijnVdS avoids PHP whenever possible | 21:06 | |
| aydin | "Failed to enable crypto" - well that is from file_get_contents() in the php script | 21:06 |
| aydin | haha | 21:06 |
| aydin | ive asked on the php channel also but not getting a response | 21:06 |
| MartijnVdS | is the certificate valid for the host? | 21:07 |
| aydin | how do I check that? | 21:07 |
| aydin | MartijnVdS: apparently is signed by verisign | 21:17 |
| MartijnVdS | does the hostname match the one on the certificate? | 21:18 |
| MartijnVdS | is it not expired? | 21:18 |
| aydin | nope expires 09/11/13 | 21:22 |
| aydin | hostname matches | 21:22 |
| AlanBell | hmm, geminid meteors tonight | 21:39 |
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