[00:00] BED [00:02] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/pics/pano2.jpg === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === dutchie_ is now known as dutchie === soreau_ is now known as soreau [08:20] * neuro is trying a reinstall of 12.10 after upgrading to parallels 8 [08:20] it didn't like the parallels 7 drivers :P [08:33] ze post install triggers, zey take FOREVAH ... [08:34] mornin aquarius, popey [08:34] yo [08:34] neuro, you went to school where they filmed gregorys girl? [08:34] aye [08:34] neat [08:34] loved that film [08:34] 1986-1992 [08:34] mmmm clare grogan [08:34] i remember them filming though [08:35] my dad's red lada riva can be glimpsed in the background at one point [08:35] and the chip shop they go to was our regular [08:35] and i was a paperboy in the newsagents inside the little shopping centre beside the chippy [08:36] and when gregory is in goals, you can see my nana's bungalow at the end of the row behind the goals (the one with the open back door) [08:36] although i'm not sure she had moved in by 1980 [08:37] that film wound me up though [08:37] they went to classes on the wrong floors [08:37] they went into an underpass on one side of cumbernauld and came out the other end a good couple of miles away [08:38] ah the fun of having a film made in your town [08:38] and, indeed, your school [08:38] i still think of it as some kind of weird oddity that no-one knows about [08:39] then someone like yourself says "i love it!" [08:39] reality disconnect [08:39] "Installation is complete" ... it's driver time [08:41] or not [08:44] ugh, "Rubbish Bin" [08:45] ugh, Amazon lens [08:45] ugh, dash [08:45] heh [08:45] #include [08:45] .c? [08:45] * neuro slaps himself in the face [08:47] look like aq is having virgin media fun [08:47] aquarius: having fun? :) [08:48] neuro, I'm home now [08:48] so, no. [08:48] ha [08:48] where was ya? [08:52] "Congratulations!" let's wait and see if it works before we all go back slapping each other, eh Parallels? [08:53] well, whaddya know [08:55] boink [08:55] ok, why do app icons get slammed in the dash after i install them [08:57] lol ubuntu your drunk [08:59] it really pains me to say that i don't like this [08:59] that would be the launcher [09:00] which is a mix of stuff that is running and stuff that isn't running (but not all your stuff that isn't running) [09:00] and the distinction is unclear [09:01] and the concertina effect is terrible [09:02] there are pips next to the icons which indicate whether it is running and count the number of windows it has, in the numerology of diskworld trolls [09:02] one two lots many [09:02] s/diskworld/discworld/ [09:03] yeah like the os x dock [09:03] ok cool [09:03] apparently so [09:03] but the animation to show something has been clicked on and it's starting up isn't that great [09:04] especially when the icon takes up the bulk of the launcher space [09:04] there was a lot of "whut, that makes no sense at all!" a couple of years ago, but it made heaps of sense to the folk with macs on their desks [09:04] augh, that concertina thing kills me [09:04] oh i bet [09:04] and why mounted drives are there too i don't know [09:04] what if i connect to 20 mounts when i login [09:04] oh good, there are now 20 doobries on the launcher [09:05] it's like bloody windows preloaded crapware [09:05] depends how they are mounted, USB devices go there, ssh mounts in nautilus don't [09:05] i have to spend an age faffing with stuff to get rid of the crap [09:06] amazon thing, bye bye [09:06] ubuntu one music, bye bye [09:06] the launcher makes more sense when it is empty of pinned things [09:07] but it ships with pinned things [09:07] and yay, chromium just died on its arse [09:08] and the ubuntu one login thingy isn't looking too smart either [09:08] jings this is a mess :( [09:09] first time i've properly played with it [09:09] didn't ubuntu one use to have a notification indicator for the top right? [09:12] hmm? [09:14] neuro, no, we dont have one [09:14] used to some while back [09:14] there are 3rd party ones too [09:14] hmm [09:15] Morning all [09:15] eey oop [09:15] Morning earthlings [09:15] earthlings? [09:15] speak for yourself :) [09:15] neuro: 'ow am ya [09:16] davmor2: still "enjoying" funemployment, otherwise fine :) [09:16] hows yerself? [09:16] whelp, seems like my connectivity issue is because of openreach, and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it [09:16] no internet for Azelphur till February [09:17] yay openreach [09:17] gotta love em [09:17] Azelphur: Have you asked Plusnet - they deliver Infinity but under their own brand [09:17] Azelphur: yikes, so tethering only [09:17] neuro: bummer on the funemployment, I'm good thanks [09:17] ta [09:17] TheOpenSourcerer: openreach have to come and install it though [09:18] TheOpenSourcerer: no, but I've asked BT and TalkTalk and they both say exactly the same date, because it's all under openreach [09:18] hang on a second [09:18] Ak - OK [09:18] let me rant for a tick [09:18] yea, openreach are the hold up, so it'll be the same no matter which ISP I choose :< [09:18] INFINITY IS A BRAND TOO!!!! [09:18] rant over [09:18] talktalk seems the best bang for buck VDSL wise though [09:18] eww, really? [09:18] by quite a way, yea [09:19] * neuro uses sky and bt [09:19] sky do proper unlimited for 30 a month [09:19] bt infinity2 is unlimited, except for p2p, which they throttle during peak hours [09:19] talktalk do proper unlimited for 15 a month [09:19] but in saying that, i've seen hide nor hair of any throttling [09:19] o rly [09:20] yup [09:20] * neuro pokes [09:20] they have SUCH a bad reputation that it hurts though [09:21] p2p is so last decade [09:21] like flares, usenet made a come-back :) [09:21] AAISP if you want a good ISP. best one ive ever had by far. [09:22] ooh, nice to see the new background has landed in raring :) [09:22] popey: p2p is a code word for bittorrent [09:22] * Azelphur counter pokes [09:22] all things added up to get 76mbit unlimited from talktalk is £31/mo [09:22] sky is like £45 [09:22] I've been through a list of literally every FTTC provider so currently know all the pricing plans in and out, haha [09:22] they'll deal with openreach so you dont haev to. [09:22] AlanBell, i know :) and usenet > bittorrent [09:23] is that nntp? [09:23] ya [09:23] 31/mo? [09:23] * AlanBell used to be on alt.fan.pratchett all the time [09:23] arsen: yea but they are way too low bandwidth cap wise [09:24] i make it £36.45 [09:24] neuro actually it seems like they are on the up, they are ranked 4 for customer support now [09:24] the interesting thing is that the media companies go after end users for p2p based copyright violations, but go after the backend (not the users) for usenet violations [09:24] and I was just on the phone to a guy that seemed very knowledgeable and didn't treat me like an idiot as often happens [09:25] well you pay for usage, Azelphur - they arent ideal if you want to download heavily 9-5, but outside of that it's not too bad. It's a business pricing model. Customer support is above and beyond though. [09:25] yea, I use a lot of bandwidth all the time [09:26] * TheOpenSourcerer still uses nntp - gmane.org FTW! [09:27] ah, talktalk use traffic management [09:27] i.e. ick [09:27] neuro: so does all ISPs [09:27] sky don't [09:28] openreach use traffic management [09:28] so sky does by default [09:29] o rly [09:29] yea [09:29] you'll find all ISPs prioritise time critical traffic over P2P and such [09:29] um [09:29] no [09:30] openreach aren't involved at the ip layer [09:30] Good morning all! :) [09:31] * Azelphur shrugs [09:32] http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2012/09/bt-openreach-uk-warns-broadband-engineer-delays-to-last-for-months.html I guess this is the issue I'm having :( [09:33] Azelphur: it's a layer 2 hand off at the exchange [09:34] neuro: I've always thought all ISPs do a little shaping, maybe I'm wrong [09:34] you are, sorry :) [09:34] * Azelphur adorns his wrong hat [09:34] suppose we shall see if the shaping is worth the extra £14/mo :p [09:34] you're right that a lot of ISPs do [09:34] but some don't [09:34] Sky is the biggest that does [09:34] n't [09:34] :P [09:35] lol [09:35] they invested heavily in backhaul after they bought easynet [09:35] so they have network to spare [09:37] whereas talktalk is a mishmash of their own network, tiscali/aol's and pipex's. [09:39] arsen mentions AAISP as well, they are good (and RevK is a boss at hassling BT about faults), but their packages can be a bit over complex [09:44] yea too expensive for someone like me that can clock a terabyte in a month [09:51] good morning everyone, [09:52] is it? [09:52] IS IT? [09:52] neuro: it is now I have coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [09:52] :) [09:52] i am cornholio [09:53] i need sugar for my latte [09:53] frrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiikakakakakaka [09:53] well hello there, google maps app for ios [10:02] Good morning peeps [10:05] morning bigcalm_laptop [10:33] Looking for a firefox addon to let me take full page screenshots. There seems to be a few, any suggestions? [10:34] F11 + PrtScr [10:35] http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/ i use that in chromium, dunno if they have a firefox version [10:36] Not too bothered about the web browser atm. Thanks popey, I'll give it a go [10:39] * bigcalm_laptop drums his fingers while it continues 'checking...' on install [10:43] davmor2 to the rescue in firefox: shift+f2 -> screenshot foo.png 0 true === oimon is now known as mungbean [11:09] Is it nap time yet? [11:29] bigcalm_laptop: http://www.paulhammond.org/webkit2png/ [11:34] then again, is that mac only :( [11:36] it's python though, it may work [11:36] oh no, it imports some mac only stuff :( [11:36] !info wkhtmltopdf [11:37] wkhtmltopdf (source: wkhtmltopdf): Command line utility to convert html to pdf using WebKit. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.9-4 (quantal), package size 100 kB, installed size 270 kB [11:37] that kind of works, but looks a bit rubbish, not doing all the css [11:41] phantom works [11:43] !info phantomjs [11:43] phantomjs (source: phantomjs): minimalistic headless WebKit-based with JavaScript API. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.0-5ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 14573 kB, installed size 37712 kB [11:43] how do I use it? [11:46] phantomjs /usr/share/doc/phantomjs/examples/rasterize.js http://slashdot.org slashdot.png [11:46] eog slashdot.png [11:46] * AlanBell likes that, always wanted to know how to do those :) [11:50] and the firefox shift+f2 thing works and is cool too [12:45] \o/ http://www.speedtest.net/result/2369776557.png [12:45] only noticed because steam was downloading at 8MB/s which I thought was odd [12:46] popey putting the A in ADSL [12:50] http://www.speedtest.net/result/2369794618.png [12:50] (H) [12:55] yowzer! [12:55] nice [13:00] http://www.speedtest.net/result/2369812335.png [13:09] my account has been disabled on https://login.ubuntu.com after trying to login. [13:09] Who could help me to reset my details to log back in? [13:10] probably ask in #canonical-sysadmin or possibly #launchpad [13:13] AlanbBell: thanks will try that [14:18] directhex: what's the total monthly cost of bt infinity? [14:19] just got a "give us more money please" email from virgin [14:20] somewhere around the £40 mark - 26 quid for the internets plus about eleven quid for line rental. that includes some calls etc [14:20] hmm, about the same then [14:21] the way you get charged is a bit squiffy though, rather than various one-off charges like setup they bump your monthly bill up for a while [14:21] can't be more accurate; haven't filed away a bt bill for more than a year :) [14:29] oh, bt do FTTH now [14:29] as "bt infinity 160 Mb" [14:29] yeah [14:29] the checker doesn't say i can get that [14:30] guys, can anyone offer me an opinion on this please? http://www.andyloughran.co.uk:8080/mvc-external-api-usage [14:32] huh, my bt homehub has a gigglebit port, yet i've connected it to my giggglebit switch via 10/100. oops. [14:44] Laney: Plusnet where quoting me ~£40 as well [14:46] daubers: ta, since that's about the same as i'll be paying with VM I don't think I can be bothered to switch [14:49] I'm tempted to switch to A&A sometime next year. FTTH might sway me from that though. See how I feel in January [15:25] anybody now why "wget --no-check-certificate https://m2mconnect.orange.co.uk/orange-soap/services/MessageServiceByCountry?wsdl" fails but I cant get to it via browser? [15:26] andylockran, what makes an API a datastore? [15:27] nm added --secure-protocol=SSLv3 and it works [15:31] quick python string question if I may: [15:31] mystring = '[REF] NAME' [15:31] REF and NAME could be any string. Bur REF, if present, will always be wrapped in [] [15:31] How can I split this string into it's two parts reliably? [15:34] It's unlikely, but either string could legitimately contain [ &/or ] too. [15:35] import re [15:35] regex. yes. [15:35] matches=re.search('\[.*\]',mystring) [15:36] matches.group(0) contains REF [15:36] [REF] rather [15:37] group910 contains the rest or not? [15:37] ooops group(1) [15:37] erm, no, one sec :) [15:39] matches=re.search('(\[.*\])(.*)',mystring) [15:39] Ahh. [15:40] group(0) is the whole thing (1) is [REF] (2) is ' NAME' [15:40] matches=re.search('(\[.*\]) (.*)',mystring) < put a space in there to not match the space if it is consistently there [15:41] Cool. Ta. [15:42] Internet Explorer is a pile of stinky [15:42] It is that [15:43] anything less than IE9 is rubbish [15:43] ie10 sucks less, according to the "ie10 sucks less" advertising campaign [15:43] yes, doesn't support .indexOf for arrays, and silently fails to append invalid HTML to DOM nodes [15:44] ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lD9FAOPBiDk ) [15:44] to be fair, I shouldn't have been appending invalid HTML, but it worked without raising an error in other browsers and failed without raising an error in IE [15:45] windows 8 is over hyped [15:47] !ping [15:47] pong! [15:47] why did Microsoft get rid of windows 8 chief designer [15:50] ? === jimhook is now known as BeefSupremeUK [16:31] python/django Question.. [16:31] see the example on the front page here; https://github.com/campaignmonitor/createsend-python [16:31] what's the best way to make that list a ForeignKey of a model in Django? (clientName,ClientId) .etc [16:32] I'm thinking dropping the django admin and just writing my own views; but there's gotta be a simple way, surely.. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === BeefSupremeUK_ is now known as BeefSupremeUK === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [20:59] anyone know how to fix http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13867887/php-soap-client-https-cannot-connect? issue seems to be one with file_get_contents(). It is pretty much a clean unbuntu 12.10 install [21:05] aydin: what's the error? [21:05] Could not connect to host [21:06] * MartijnVdS avoids PHP whenever possible [21:06] "Failed to enable crypto" - well that is from file_get_contents() in the php script [21:06] haha [21:06] ive asked on the php channel also but not getting a response [21:07] is the certificate valid for the host? [21:07] how do I check that? [21:17] MartijnVdS: apparently is signed by verisign [21:18] does the hostname match the one on the certificate? [21:18] is it not expired? [21:22] nope expires 09/11/13 [21:22] hostname matches [21:39] hmm, geminid meteors tonight === jussi01 is now known as jussi === asherkin_ is now known as asherkin