[00:00] <popey> BED
[00:02] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/pics/pano2.jpg
[08:20]  * neuro is trying a reinstall of 12.10 after upgrading to parallels 8
[08:20] <neuro> it didn't like the parallels 7 drivers :P
[08:33] <neuro> ze post install triggers, zey take FOREVAH ...
[08:34] <neuro> mornin aquarius, popey
[08:34] <popey> yo
[08:34] <popey> neuro, you went to school where they filmed gregorys girl?
[08:34] <neuro> aye
[08:34] <popey> neat
[08:34] <popey> loved that film
[08:34] <neuro> 1986-1992
[08:34] <popey> mmmm clare grogan
[08:34] <neuro> i remember them filming though
[08:35] <neuro> my dad's red lada riva can be glimpsed in the background at one point
[08:35] <neuro> and the chip shop they go to was our regular
[08:35] <neuro> and i was a paperboy in the newsagents inside the little shopping centre beside the chippy
[08:36] <neuro> and when gregory is in goals, you can see my nana's bungalow at the end of the row behind the goals (the one with the open back door)
[08:36] <neuro> although i'm not sure she had moved in by 1980
[08:37] <neuro> that film wound me up though
[08:37] <neuro> they went to classes on the wrong floors
[08:37] <neuro> they went into an underpass on one side of cumbernauld and came out the other end a good couple of miles away
[08:38] <neuro> ah the fun of having a film made in your town
[08:38] <neuro> and, indeed, your school
[08:38] <neuro> i still think of it as some kind of weird oddity that no-one knows about
[08:39] <neuro> then someone like yourself says "i love it!"
[08:39] <neuro> reality disconnect
[08:39] <neuro> "Installation is complete" ... it's driver time
[08:41] <neuro> or not
[08:44] <neuro> ugh, "Rubbish Bin"
[08:45] <neuro> ugh, Amazon lens
[08:45] <neuro> ugh, dash
[08:45] <popey> heh
[08:45] <neuro> #include <tiredoldarguments.c>
[08:45] <neuro> .c?
[08:45]  * neuro slaps himself in the face
[08:47] <neuro> look like aq is having virgin media fun
[08:47] <neuro> aquarius: having fun? :)
[08:48] <aquarius> neuro, I'm home now
[08:48] <aquarius> so, no.
[08:48] <neuro> ha
[08:48] <neuro> where was ya?
[08:52] <neuro> "Congratulations!" let's wait and see if it works before we all go back slapping each other, eh Parallels?
[08:53] <neuro> well, whaddya know
[08:55] <neuro_ubuntu> boink
[08:55] <neuro_ubuntu> ok, why do app icons get slammed in the dash after i install them
[08:57] <neuro_ubuntu> lol ubuntu your drunk
[08:59] <neuro> it really pains me to say that i don't like this
[08:59] <AlanBell> that would be the launcher
[09:00] <AlanBell> which is a mix of stuff that is running and stuff that isn't running (but not all your stuff that isn't running)
[09:00] <neuro> and the distinction is unclear
[09:01] <neuro> and the concertina effect is terrible
[09:02] <AlanBell> there are pips next to the icons which indicate whether it is running and count the number of windows it has, in the numerology of diskworld trolls
[09:02] <AlanBell> one two lots many
[09:02] <AlanBell> s/diskworld/discworld/
[09:03] <neuro> yeah like the os x dock
[09:03] <neuro> ok cool
[09:03] <AlanBell> apparently so
[09:03] <neuro> but the animation to show something has been clicked on and it's starting up isn't that great
[09:04] <neuro> especially when the icon takes up the bulk of the launcher space
[09:04] <AlanBell> there was a lot of "whut, that makes no sense at all!" a couple of years ago, but it made heaps of sense to the folk with macs on their desks
[09:04] <neuro> augh, that concertina thing kills me
[09:04] <neuro> oh i bet
[09:04] <neuro> and why mounted drives are there too i don't know
[09:04] <neuro> what if i connect to 20 mounts when i login
[09:04] <neuro> oh good, there are now 20 doobries on the launcher
[09:05] <neuro> it's like bloody windows preloaded crapware
[09:05] <AlanBell> depends how they are mounted, USB devices go there, ssh mounts in nautilus don't
[09:05] <neuro> i have to spend an age faffing with stuff to get rid of the crap
[09:06] <neuro> amazon thing, bye bye
[09:06] <neuro> ubuntu one music, bye bye
[09:06] <AlanBell> the launcher makes more sense when it is empty of pinned things
[09:07] <neuro> but it ships with pinned things
[09:07] <neuro> and yay, chromium just died on its arse
[09:08] <neuro> and the ubuntu one login thingy isn't looking too smart either
[09:08] <neuro> jings this is a mess :(
[09:09] <neuro> first time i've properly played with it
[09:09] <neuro> didn't ubuntu one use to have a notification indicator for the top right?
[09:12] <AlanBell> hmm?
[09:14] <popey> neuro, no, we dont have one
[09:14] <popey> used to some while back
[09:14] <popey> there are 3rd party ones too
[09:14] <neuro> hmm
[09:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:15] <neuro> eey oop
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings
[09:15] <neuro> earthlings?
[09:15] <neuro> speak for yourself :)
[09:15] <davmor2> neuro: 'ow am ya
[09:16] <neuro> davmor2: still "enjoying" funemployment, otherwise fine :)
[09:16] <neuro> hows yerself?
[09:16] <Azelphur> whelp, seems like my connectivity issue is because of openreach, and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it
[09:16] <Azelphur> no internet for Azelphur till February
[09:17] <neuro> yay openreach
[09:17] <Azelphur> gotta love em
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Azelphur: Have you asked Plusnet - they deliver Infinity but under their own brand
[09:17] <AlanBell> Azelphur: yikes, so tethering only
[09:17] <davmor2> neuro: bummer on the funemployment, I'm good thanks
[09:17] <neuro> ta
[09:17] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: openreach have to come and install it though
[09:18] <Azelphur> TheOpenSourcerer: no, but I've asked BT and TalkTalk and they both say exactly the same date, because it's all under openreach
[09:18] <neuro> hang on a second
[09:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ak - OK
[09:18] <neuro> let me rant for a tick
[09:18] <Azelphur> yea, openreach are the hold up, so it'll be the same no matter which ISP I choose :<
[09:18] <neuro> INFINITY IS A BRAND TOO!!!!
[09:18] <neuro> rant over
[09:18] <Azelphur> talktalk seems the best bang for buck VDSL wise though
[09:18] <neuro> eww, really?
[09:18] <Azelphur> by quite a way, yea
[09:19]  * neuro uses sky and bt
[09:19] <neuro> sky do proper unlimited for 30 a month
[09:19] <neuro> bt infinity2 is unlimited, except for p2p, which they throttle during peak hours
[09:19] <Azelphur> talktalk do proper unlimited for 15 a month
[09:19] <neuro> but in saying that, i've seen hide nor hair of any throttling
[09:19] <neuro> o rly
[09:20] <Azelphur> yup
[09:20]  * neuro pokes
[09:20] <neuro> they have SUCH a bad reputation that it hurts though
[09:21] <popey> p2p is so last decade
[09:21] <popey> like flares, usenet made a come-back :)
[09:21] <arsen> AAISP if you want a good ISP. best one ive ever had by far.
[09:22] <SuperMatt> ooh, nice to see the new background has landed in raring :)
[09:22] <AlanBell> popey: p2p is a code word for bittorrent
[09:22]  * Azelphur counter pokes
[09:22] <Azelphur> all things added up to get 76mbit unlimited from talktalk is £31/mo
[09:22] <Azelphur> sky is like £45
[09:22] <Azelphur> I've been through a list of literally every FTTC provider so currently know all the pricing plans in and out, haha
[09:22] <arsen> they'll deal with openreach so you dont haev to.
[09:22] <popey> AlanBell, i know :) and usenet > bittorrent
[09:23] <AlanBell> is that nntp?
[09:23] <popey> ya
[09:23] <neuro> 31/mo?
[09:23]  * AlanBell used to be on alt.fan.pratchett all the time
[09:23] <Azelphur> arsen: yea but they are way too low bandwidth cap wise
[09:24] <neuro> i make it £36.45
[09:24] <Azelphur> neuro actually it seems like they are on the up, they are ranked 4 for customer support now
[09:24] <popey> the interesting thing is that the media companies go after end users for p2p based copyright violations, but go after the backend (not the users) for usenet violations
[09:24] <Azelphur> and I was just on the phone to a guy that seemed very knowledgeable and didn't treat me like an idiot as often happens
[09:25] <arsen> well you pay for usage, Azelphur - they arent ideal if you want to download  heavily 9-5, but outside of that it's not too bad. It's a business pricing model. Customer support is above and beyond though.
[09:25] <Azelphur> yea, I use a lot of bandwidth all the time
[09:26]  * TheOpenSourcerer still uses nntp - gmane.org FTW!
[09:27] <neuro> ah, talktalk use traffic management
[09:27] <neuro> i.e. ick
[09:27] <Azelphur> neuro: so does all ISPs
[09:27] <neuro> sky don't
[09:28] <Azelphur> openreach use traffic management
[09:28] <Azelphur> so sky does by default
[09:29] <neuro> o rly
[09:29] <Azelphur> yea
[09:29] <Azelphur> you'll find all ISPs prioritise time critical traffic over P2P and such
[09:29] <neuro> um
[09:29] <neuro> no
[09:30] <neuro> openreach aren't involved at the ip layer
[09:30] <JamesTai1> Good morning all! :)
[09:31]  * Azelphur shrugs
[09:32] <Azelphur> http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2012/09/bt-openreach-uk-warns-broadband-engineer-delays-to-last-for-months.html I guess this is the issue I'm having :(
[09:33] <neuro> Azelphur: it's a layer 2 hand off at the exchange
[09:34] <Azelphur> neuro: I've always thought all ISPs do a little shaping, maybe I'm wrong
[09:34] <neuro> you are, sorry :)
[09:34]  * Azelphur adorns his wrong hat
[09:34] <Azelphur> suppose we shall see if the shaping is worth the extra £14/mo :p
[09:34] <neuro> you're right that a lot of ISPs do
[09:34] <neuro> but some don't
[09:34] <neuro> Sky is the biggest that does
[09:34] <neuro> n't
[09:34] <neuro> :P
[09:35] <Azelphur> lol
[09:35] <neuro> they invested heavily in backhaul after they bought easynet
[09:35] <neuro> so they have network to spare
[09:37] <neuro> whereas talktalk is a mishmash of their own network, tiscali/aol's and pipex's.
[09:39] <neuro> arsen mentions AAISP as well, they are good (and RevK is a boss at hassling BT about faults), but their packages can be a bit over complex
[09:44] <Azelphur> yea too expensive for someone like me that can clock a terabyte in a month
[09:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:52] <neuro> is it?
[09:52] <neuro> IS IT?
[09:52] <davmor2> neuro: it is now I have coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[09:52] <neuro> :)
[09:52] <neuro> i am cornholio
[09:53] <neuro> i need sugar for my latte
[09:53] <neuro> frrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiikakakakakaka
[09:53] <neuro> well hello there, google maps app for ios
[10:02] <bigcalm_laptop> Good morning peeps
[10:05] <SuperMatt> morning bigcalm_laptop
[10:33] <bigcalm_laptop> Looking for a firefox addon to let me take full page screenshots. There seems to be a few, any suggestions?
[10:34] <tsimpson> F11 + PrtScr
[10:35] <popey> http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/ i use that in chromium, dunno if they have a firefox version
[10:36] <bigcalm_laptop> Not too bothered about the web browser atm. Thanks popey, I'll give it a go
[10:39]  * bigcalm_laptop drums his fingers while it continues 'checking...' on install
[10:43] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2 to the rescue in firefox: shift+f2 -> screenshot foo.png 0 true
[11:09] <bigcalm_laptop> Is it nap time yet?
[11:29] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: http://www.paulhammond.org/webkit2png/
[11:34] <AlanBell> then again, is that mac only :(
[11:36] <SuperMatt> it's python though, it may work
[11:36] <SuperMatt> oh no, it imports some mac only stuff :(
[11:36] <AlanBell> !info wkhtmltopdf
[11:37] <AlanBell> that kind of works, but looks a bit rubbish, not doing all the css
[11:41] <gord> phantom works
[11:43] <AlanBell> !info phantomjs
[11:43] <AlanBell> how do I use it?
[11:46] <AlanBell> phantomjs /usr/share/doc/phantomjs/examples/rasterize.js http://slashdot.org slashdot.png
[11:46] <AlanBell> eog slashdot.png
[11:46]  * AlanBell likes that, always wanted to know how to do those :)
[11:50] <AlanBell> and the firefox shift+f2 thing works and is cool too
[12:45] <popey> \o/ http://www.speedtest.net/result/2369776557.png
[12:45] <popey> only noticed because steam was downloading at 8MB/s which I thought was odd
[12:46] <dutchie> popey putting the A in ADSL
[12:50] <Laney> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2369794618.png
[12:50] <Laney> (H)
[12:55] <popey> yowzer!
[12:55] <popey> nice
[13:00] <directhex> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2369812335.png
[13:09] <davidmarais> my account has been disabled on https://login.ubuntu.com after trying to login.
[13:09] <davidmarais> Who could help me to reset my details to log back in?
[13:10] <AlanBell> probably ask in #canonical-sysadmin or possibly #launchpad
[13:13] <davidmarais> AlanbBell: thanks will try that
[14:18] <Laney> directhex: what's the total monthly cost of bt infinity?
[14:19] <Laney> just got a "give us more money please" email from virgin
[14:20] <directhex> somewhere around the £40 mark - 26 quid for the internets plus about eleven quid for line rental. that includes some calls etc
[14:20] <Laney> hmm, about the same then
[14:21] <directhex> the way you get charged is a bit squiffy though, rather than various one-off charges like setup they bump your monthly bill up for a while
[14:21] <directhex> can't be more accurate; haven't filed away a bt bill for more than a year :)
[14:29] <directhex> oh, bt do FTTH now
[14:29] <directhex> as "bt infinity 160 Mb"
[14:29] <Laney> yeah
[14:29] <Laney> the checker doesn't say i can get that
[14:30] <andylockran> guys, can anyone offer me an opinion on this please?  http://www.andyloughran.co.uk:8080/mvc-external-api-usage
[14:32] <directhex> huh, my bt homehub has a gigglebit port, yet i've connected it to my giggglebit switch via 10/100. oops.
[14:44] <daubers> Laney: Plusnet where quoting me ~£40 as well
[14:46] <Laney> daubers: ta, since that's about the same as i'll be paying with VM I don't think I can be bothered to switch
[14:49] <daubers> I'm tempted to switch to A&A sometime next year. FTTH might sway me from that though. See how I feel in January
[15:25] <jimr_> anybody now why "wget --no-check-certificate https://m2mconnect.orange.co.uk/orange-soap/services/MessageServiceByCountry?wsdl" fails but I cant get to it via browser?
[15:26] <james_w> andylockran, what makes an API a datastore?
[15:27] <jimr_> nm added --secure-protocol=SSLv3 and it works
[15:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> quick python string question if I may:
[15:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> mystring = '[REF] NAME'
[15:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> REF and NAME could be any string. Bur REF, if present, will always be wrapped in []
[15:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> How can I split this string into it's two parts reliably?
[15:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's unlikely, but either string could legitimately contain [ &/or ] too.
[15:35] <AlanBell> import re
[15:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> regex. yes.
[15:35] <AlanBell> matches=re.search('\[.*\]',mystring)
[15:36] <AlanBell> matches.group(0) contains REF
[15:36] <AlanBell> [REF] rather
[15:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> group910 contains the rest or not?
[15:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> ooops group(1)
[15:37] <AlanBell> erm, no, one sec :)
[15:39] <AlanBell> matches=re.search('(\[.*\])(.*)',mystring)
[15:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh.
[15:40] <AlanBell> group(0) is the whole thing (1) is [REF] (2) is ' NAME'
[15:40] <AlanBell> matches=re.search('(\[.*\]) (.*)',mystring) < put a space in there to not match the space if it is consistently there
[15:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool. Ta.
[15:42] <AlanBell> Internet Explorer is a pile of stinky
[15:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is that
[15:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> anything less than IE9 is rubbish
[15:43] <directhex> ie10 sucks less, according to the "ie10 sucks less" advertising campaign
[15:43] <AlanBell> yes, doesn't support .indexOf for arrays, and silently fails to append invalid HTML to DOM nodes
[15:44] <directhex> ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lD9FAOPBiDk )
[15:44] <AlanBell> to be fair, I shouldn't have been appending invalid HTML, but it worked without raising an error in other browsers and failed without raising an error in IE
[15:45] <brianb> windows 8 is over hyped
[15:47] <bigcalm_laptop> !ping
[15:47] <brianb> why did Microsoft get rid of windows 8 chief designer
[15:50] <andylockran> ?
[16:31] <andylockran> python/django Question..
[16:31] <andylockran> see the example on the front page here; https://github.com/campaignmonitor/createsend-python
[16:31] <andylockran> what's the best way to make that list a ForeignKey of a model in Django? (clientName,ClientId) .etc
[16:32] <andylockran> I'm thinking dropping the django admin and just writing my own views; but there's gotta be a simple way, surely..
[20:59] <aydin> anyone know how to fix http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13867887/php-soap-client-https-cannot-connect? issue seems to be one with file_get_contents(). It is pretty much a clean unbuntu 12.10 install
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> aydin: what's the error?
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> Could not connect to host
[21:06]  * MartijnVdS avoids PHP whenever possible
[21:06] <aydin>  "Failed to enable crypto" - well that is from file_get_contents() in the php script
[21:06] <aydin> haha
[21:06] <aydin> ive asked on the php channel also but not getting a response
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> is the certificate valid for the host?
[21:07] <aydin> how do I check that?
[21:17] <aydin> MartijnVdS: apparently is signed by verisign
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> does the hostname match the one on the certificate?
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> is it not expired?
[21:22] <aydin> nope expires 09/11/13
[21:22] <aydin> hostname matches
[21:39] <AlanBell> hmm, geminid meteors tonight