[00:02] holstein, great links, but the issue isn't gwibber-related I don't think. THe portion that is required to add an account is missing. If I go to add one, it just brings me to gnome-control-center (in XFCE). [00:03] that's why I am guessing it is looking for the Online Accounts section of control-center. [00:06] tis seems related: http://askubuntu.com/questions/215249/xubuntu-upload-photos-to-facebook-or-picasa-via-shotwell [00:10] plus, Gwibber pulled in said gnome-control-center, and killed xfce4-power-manager. >< [00:10] (some deps killed it I think) [00:57] what is up everybody? [00:57] I think I am going to try out Xubuntu 12.04 until these issues get resolved. :( [00:58] but I just know that the kernel is going to give me fits. [00:58] we shall see [01:00] can't you install a different kernel without changing distribution versions? [01:01] yeah but I don't want to do all that. [01:01] i'm pretty new to all this, not sure what all is involved [01:01] just installed 12.10, so far so good [01:01] maybe the kernel is better in 12.04.1 [01:02] the first 12.04 release ended up making this laptop freeze very frequently. [01:02] any chance you have a hybrid video card? [01:02] nope. intel integrated [01:03] ive had to get patches for intel ones before [01:03] ah - i had a big issue with my last laptop, had the intel/AMD hybrid - blew [01:03] i have a hybrid nvidia/intel one right now.. works OK [01:04] yep, confirmed it. Xubuntu is pulling the Canonical-hacked versions of software instead of vanilla, making it virtually unusable in Xubuntu [01:04] i could never get it to work right, was the HP tm2t [01:04] phunyguy_t430s: xubuntu *is* ubuntu [01:04] yup [01:04] phunyguy_t430s: its all the same repos.. there are not "hacked" versions.. just the ones packaged for the repos that you can choose not to use [01:04] holstein, I understand, but "sudo apt-get install gwibber" pulls in a gwibber package that wont work. [01:05] because it is looking for the Online Accounts backend [01:05] phunyguy_t430s: what would i do? i might just pull up a live CD of the normal ubuntu and learn what is missing [01:05] phunyguy_t430s: or not use gwibber.. which i dont, and i dont have any helpful info on it [01:05] I think Unity vs. xfce is the biggest different [01:05] do you maybe have non-stable sources on? [01:06] xubuntu498, fresh install. [01:06] phunyguy_t430s: the terminology i saw was reading "broadcast accounts" [01:06] phunyguy_t430s: maybe you can add whatever gui you ned to manage these [01:06] holstein, in Ubuntu 12.10 it put it all under Online Accounts [01:06] install just finished, i'm going to reboot - good luck Phun! [01:06] phunyguy_t430s: sure.. what do you need to get to that in xubuntu? in xfce? its capable of running [01:06] and I have gnome-online-accounts installed, but when you pull up gnome-control-center and the xfce-settings manager, it's not there. [01:07] I am thinking that is a different package though [01:07] phunyguy_t430s: try launching it from the command line and see if there is helpful error message [01:07] good idea [01:07] phunyguy_t430s: try asking *anyone* using xfce how they use gwibber [01:07] phunyguy_t430s: try not useing gwibber [01:07] phunyguy_t430s: i'll look up about using ubuntuone with xubuntu.. maybe that account system will be the same [01:07] ** (gnome-control-center:2382): WARNING **: Could not load setting panel "credentials": Unknown error [01:08] whatever credentials is, will probably be what I need. [01:08] im not sure you need the gnome-control-center [01:09] phunyguy_t430s: why not just open gwibber and go from there? what is the issue there? [01:09] holstein, gwibber pulled it in as a dep, and when you load gwibber, it brings that up expecting to provide you the method necessary to add your first account [01:09] and the options within gwibber to add an account are no longer there (canonocal hacked i read) [01:10] phunyguy_t430s: i just opend a terminal and ran "gwibber-accounts" [01:10] same applies to Shotwell, and anything else that uses that backend [01:10] that command is not found [01:10] and I cant apt-get it [01:11] phunyguy_t430s: i didnt install it [01:11] phunyguy_t430s: type "gwibber" in a terminal and hit tab a few times [01:12] gwibber gwibber-poster gwibber-service [01:12] gwibber-accounts gwibber-preferences [01:12] gwibber gwibber-poster gwibber-preferences gwibber-service [01:12] thats it. [01:13] phunyguy_t430s: i would reinstall gwibber.. are you using a version from ppa? gwibber-accounts is part of gwibber [01:14] holstein, I have done all of that. [01:14] 12.10 [01:14] and no PPA [01:14] gwibber accounts doesnt exist in regular ubuntu either [01:14] well, im in 12.04 here, so i cant test 12.10 til i get home [01:14] i would seriously not lose sleep over it [01:14] 12.10 introduced "Online Accounts" [01:14] i would open gwibber and if it fails, i would move on [01:14] I cant find anything else with the same functionality. [01:15] its not worth wasting more that 8 minutes over gwibber.. my oppologies to any gwibber fans [01:15] phunyguy_t430s: what are you trying to do? [01:15] actually only one small thing is really important, and that is posting to all services at once with the same post. [01:15] the rest is nice, but I really like THAT feature. [01:15] Facebook/twitter/etc [01:15] Google+ hopefully soon... [01:16] phunyguy_t430s: i get that in the browser with tweetdeck [01:16] wonder if another package will pull in what I need [01:16] or i did when i cared about that... [01:16] ...like Empathy [01:16] (ugh) [01:17] phunyguy_t430s: as a person who spent several hours one day setting all that up.. i swear its not worth more than 8 minutes [01:17] tweetdeck you say, wasnt that in one of the ljnks you posted? [01:17] links* [01:17] that being said, i used tweetdeck for it.. then i set gwibber up.. then i just stopped doing it.. i spent a few days and i was like 'now what'.. cause i could do it from my phone the whole time anyways === onefunkynote` is now known as onefunkynote === knome_ is now known as knome [01:18] well with that being said also, Shotwell functionality is broken, like direct uploads to youtube [01:18] i liked tweetdeck since it was online.. but im not sure the state of it these days.. im just saying, i have "gwibber-accounts" in 12.04.. i wont be able to look and 12.10 til later this evening [01:18] all maps back to Online Accounts being missing [01:18] phunyguy_t430s: maybe youtube broke that? [01:19] phunyguy_t430s: i dont use the "development releases" [01:19] holstein, no, the ability to add the account to use is nonexistent because it uses Online Accounts to do it. [01:19] phunyguy_t430s: i would just install 12.04.. or install 13.04 and help debug what you are looking for [01:19] ...I kinda am helping debug... :P [01:19] I could try 13.04... [01:19] phunyguy_t430s: not really [01:20] phunyguy_t430s: no one here is using gwibber nor shotwell.. i dont even know if you'll find a bug relating to it [01:20] and if I post a bug, it probably wont get much attention [01:20] >< [01:20] phunyguy_t430s: you can give it attention [01:21] gwibber isn't installed by default in xubuntu, so probably not here [01:21] I meant from someone important. [01:21] phunyguy_t430s: you get it verified first.. if you dont post, its not a bug and it didnt happen [01:21] but you should be in touch with the gwibber devs [01:21] knome, that doesnt matter [01:21] its in the repos [01:21] phunyguy_t430s: we are important.. you and i.. but i dont care about gwibber.. you'll need to get proactive about it [01:22] phunyguy_t430s, it does matter. the xubuntu team has only a limited time available to work on the next release. gwibber is way out of that scope. [01:22] it doesnt ship with xubuntu, and not a lot of folks are interested in it here.. but that doesnt mean it aint broken phunyguy_t430s and needing attention [01:22] knome, I meant asking for supoport in here [01:22] ...I am allowed. [01:22] you can ask for support, but if it doesn't work and there's no direct answer, then there probably won't be an answer at all [01:22] and holstein's answer is fine. [01:23] phunyguy_t430s: i am supporting you in here.. and i'll support you in filing a bug and getting to the correct people, which is what will get results [01:23] I have to go eat Taco Bell now. (blech) [01:23] I will get with you when I get back to post. [01:23] sure. but if you file a bug, please note that the correct people to contact are the gwibber devs [01:23] may need help. :) [01:23] lol.. i have to get back to work.. i know it can be frustrating phunyguy_t430s .. but you can get someone to look at this [01:23] knome, I am not sure that is 100% accurate [01:24] Canonical added their own flavor to it in the form of online accounts (from what i read) [01:24] granted what I read wasn't official ubuntu docs, but still [01:25] in that case, you should get online accounts working - if that doesn't work, you should be in touch somebody maintaining online accounts - it's still not in xubuntu's scope [01:25] knome, will do. [01:25] cheers [01:25] sorry if i sound a bit harsh - but i also want to get your bug fixed with minimal amount of waste of time... [01:27] ok, i'm off to bed [01:27] see you later [02:35] I'm back, holstein. [02:42] am I filing this under ubuntu, or xubuntu, holstein? I have a hunch that the ubuntu team will fire back saying "It's Xubuntu's problem." [02:51] bug 1089744 is filed. [02:51] Launchpad bug 1089744 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu doesn't pull required dependencies for anything using "Online Accounts"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1089744 [02:53] Is there some way to play Ogg/Vorbis in Parole without the hideous test card? [02:56] ball, "test card"? [02:56] phunyguy_t430s: Looks like low-res colour bars. [02:56] ball, there are options to use visualizations intead in the settings [02:57] under the preferences. [02:58] I just want ordinary tape-deck style controls and perhaps a progress bar. [02:58] I really don't want visualisations or the wasted screen space. [02:58] so install another player. [02:59] VLC works well I think [02:59] Any suggestions which might suit me? [02:59] This one's awful. [02:59] Ah thanks, I'll try VLC now. [02:59] !info vlc [02:59] vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.3-2 (quantal), package size 1055 kB, installed size 3343 kB [03:00] ubottu doesn't seem to know k from K. [03:00] ball: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:01] ball, kB is correct [03:01] k is 1000, K is 1024. [03:01] (since about 1964, anyway) [03:03] ball, http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/ias/pub-dept/abbreviation.pdf [03:03] straight from ieee [03:03] K is kelvin [03:03] In S.I, yes. [03:03] ...but not as a multiplier prefix. [03:03] *sigh* [03:04] Was it the IEEE group that came up with the ridiculous "KiBibyte" rubbish? [03:06] Perhaps I'm just old. [03:06] ball, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobyte [03:07] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte [03:07] * ball shrugs [03:07] I reject your reality and substitute my own, which meshes well with all my old DEC and IBM manuals ;-) [03:08] hah! [03:08] havent touched that stuff in forever [03:09] we had the old VAX systems in high school [03:09] my first glimpse at scripting was DCL. [03:09] Well that's fantastic, now instead of colour bars I have a traffic cone. [03:10] I haven't touched DCL since 1997. [03:10] hahaha I forgot about that [03:11] cant disable it? [03:11] and yeah about the same for me... 1997 or so [03:11] maybe 1998 [03:12] I'm looking but I don't see an option for that. [03:12] I think it had different "skins" [03:12] you gmusicbrowser is there too... [03:13] pretty good bit of software [03:13] * ball fetches it. [03:14] Looks like an iTunes want-to-be [03:20] meh it is included by default on xubuntu [03:20] Oh that's interesting, VLC just fetched cover art for my CD. [03:20] but you can change the appearance of it [03:21] "make it look like" *select which one* [03:22] make it look like rhythmbox compact [03:22] * ball tries dragging a folder to it. [03:22] None of these look good to me, but they're all playing the music nicely. [03:22] Hopefully I'll find something more to my tastes later. [04:19] phunyguy_t430s: cool.. if you would, try and find someone to confirm it.. i can help you soon, but i'll have to do another install... i dont have a good test case for 12.10 xubuntu [04:21] thanks, holstein - I don't want to start spamming it around irc though [04:21] btw, I threw a 13.04 liveUSB together, couldn't find anything different about anything except version numbers. [04:22] phunyguy_t430s: well, its not spammy to ask for help confirming it though.. try the OT channels if you feel thats more appropriate [04:22] so not much to report on yet. XChat bugs still exist, the gwibber bug still exists... lol === c_smith is now known as c_smith-away === c_smith-away is now known as c_smith-afk [04:41] yea holstein, no such luck in the busiest one of them all, #ubuntu. [06:05] Can Linux (in this case Xubuntu) use a USB flash drive as tar media? [06:07] Ah, think I've got it... "tar cvf /dev/sdb *" [06:07] ...but I had to be root. [07:18] how to resolve this? http://pastebin.com/Fer80c9D [07:20] ##linux [07:21] hi Os_Maleus === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [07:24] so im also getting a There seems to be a programming error in aptdaemon, the software that allows you to install/remove software and to perform other package management related tasks. [07:26] crap, i wil just reboot and see if it helps [07:28] mememe: Read-only file system [07:28] mememe: that probablu means that your hard disk is failing and has been remounted read-only === Guest31156 is now known as ponbiki [07:42] hey guys [07:45] Short question: when disconnecting external monitors from a laptop .. should the X environment "realize" this and tell the window manager about it? Whenever I disconnect it I have to manually "tell" my environment to disregard the disconnected part of my desktop (using arandr) [07:46] sooo... dmesg is vomiting something oabout irq and i get sometimes actually often kernel panic errors during startup, and i have to hard reset about 2 - 3 times untill i can start the system here is my dmesg http://pastebin.com/aGLFmMGm [07:46] Moe: it is more like the last part you mentioned] [07:47] So there's no way for a daemon to take care of that? It would surprise me if there wasn't an event handler for such situations [07:48] might be somewhere out there, or a script [07:49] but nothing i know of, then again i dont know much Moe lol [07:54] Hi, I'm trying to install steam... I got an icon on my desktop, click it, execute, it opens, asks me to say ok, and then it closes. I tried messing around in properties, and then put everything back how it was, and now it won't even open [07:54] can't find it on ubuntu software center either [07:54] *_* [07:55] Newb: I don't think we have steam in the ubuntu repositories [07:56] Newb: how are you trying to install it? [07:56] What can I do? I need steam to play my games and talk to my friends [07:56] Um, I logged on in browser, chrome. Clicked on the install steam button [07:56] it said installed, but it's not working [07:58] Newb: I think you are skipping some crucial steps in your description [07:58] Newb: what button? [07:58] on the top of the page, there is a button that says 'install steam' [07:58] it has a little curvy arrow pointing down [07:58] Newb: what page? [07:59] http://store.steampowered.com/ [07:59] that is for windows, it won't work on linux normally [07:59] on the top right next to my name [07:59] they are working on a linux version, but it's still in beta now [07:59] oh, that's silly of me [07:59] where can I find that? [08:00] http://steamcommunity.com/games/221410 [08:01] I've also heard that people had some success running the windows version of steam with Wine or Crossover [08:01] you could search for that, there are some blog posts [08:01] I think winetricks has a steam recipe [08:02] okay, I'll look [08:02] thanks [08:02] but it's generally not straightforward and may or may not work depending on the versions and your hardware, I'm afraid [08:07] Augh, so I'm finding [08:08] Also, sounds like only 1000 people could get into beta [08:08] which is full now [08:08] I guess I'm gonna have to do the easy way and dual boot with windows so I can play [08:25] any Dutch peeps online? lcd arduino compatible. 1 euro. :) http://www.samenkopen.net/action_products/443003 [08:26] Yotson: this is a support channel for xubuntu [08:26] oops. very very wrong. i'm sorry. [08:26] Yotson: for random chat, please join #xubuntu-offtopic [08:27] * Yotson was meant for another tab. [08:27] happens :) [08:27] signal for more coffee i guess. [10:19] hi all [13:22] hi [13:23] !hi | qasim [13:23] qasim: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [13:31] hello [13:31] how r u grid [13:32] How can I alter the passwords in "keyring" for chromium, etc. [13:33] HOW TO INSTALL JAVAFROM ORACLE? [13:33] JAVA FROM* [13:33] NEROX ..NO IDEA [13:35] qasim: don't shout please [13:35] My eyes are bleeding. [13:35] shout ? [13:35] !java | qasim [13:35] qasim: To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. [13:35] i just asked a question [13:36] qasim: He was referring to the CAPS LOCK ON YOUR QUESTIONS. [13:36] i have jre now i have to link the plugin [13:36] oh olrite [13:37] !u | qasim [13:37] qasim: U is the 21st letter of the modern latin alphabet. Neither 'U' nor 'Ur' are words in the English language. Neither are 'R', 'Y', 'l8', 'ryt', 'Ne1' nor 'Bcuz'. Mangled English is hard for non-native English speakers. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/abbreviations/ for more information. [13:38] TheSheep: I'm just going to assume his first language isn't English. [13:39] yeah english isn't my language... [13:41] but english is not the problem... tell me if you guy can be of any help [13:41] guys* [13:43] qasim: just follow that link from ubottu [13:43] qasim: it has all the explanations [13:43] hmm [13:49] the site doesnot have the solution of my problem [13:51] qasim: it has detailed instructions on installing Oracle's Java, what else do you need? [13:52] i downloaded tar file from oracle...it says i have to link the firefox plugins [13:53] for that ..i need to open firefox directory [13:53] which im unable to find [13:56] qasim: I can't see anything about linking to firefox plugins in those instructions I gave you [13:56] http://java.com/en/download/help/linux_install.xml#enable [13:56] qasim: that's not the page that I gave you [13:57] well its the page where from i have downloaded the tar file and trying to install it [13:57] i have read that page ..it tells about some other installation procedure [13:58] an im in the middle of installing java ..so i need to move ahead from where i am stuck [13:58] qasim: we can help you with ubuntu instructions, if you follow them. If you insist on following Oracle's instructions and have problems with them, better contact Oracle support. [13:58] qasim: because there is no way we can fix them [16:25] hi [16:28] !hi | qasim [16:28] qasim: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [16:29] grid can you help in installing Java? [16:29] !java [16:29] To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. [16:32] qasim, what you do exactly need of java? [16:32] what for i mean [16:32] to run java applets [16:33] i need jre or any vm [16:33] preferably..jre [16:34] !openjdk [16:34] no, that doesnt work [16:36] well i dont know about java qasim but you could try this http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Oracle-Java-on-Ubuntu-Linux [16:36] hmm [16:37] holstein is prolly away today.. [16:37] :( [16:49] How to enable mail service? [16:51] which mail service? [16:51] thunderbir? [16:52] Any SMTP [16:52] nothing is listening on Port 25 [16:52] hmm [16:53] I'm testing some Java code and I need a mail server running [16:53] wait for holstein.. [16:53] can you help me in installing java? [16:54] qasim, you already got the link for that. read it [16:55] bazhang i have spent an hour over the link [16:55] and its not what i want [16:55] qasim, so say CLEARLY what you DO want [16:56] qasim, i've passed you a pretty extensive how to intall java [16:56] qasim, http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Oracle-Java-on-Ubuntu-Linux [16:57] if this doesnt help then go to a #java [16:57] i downloaded java jre tar file from oracle's official site [16:57] and did all what it asked me to do [16:57] but im unable to get java plugin in my firefox [17:00] GridCube, any idea how to enable the mail service? [17:00] mahmoud__, you probably need a smtp server. Like sendmail or postfix. But i can't help you more. [17:00] !mail [17:00] Mail is another medium to communicate. Ubuntu mailing lists can be found at http://lists.ubuntu.com [17:00] no that doesnt help [17:00] qasim, why do you need the oracle java for firefox. just use the open implementation [17:01] iced tea? [17:01] !smtp [17:01] Ubuntu supports the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) and provides mail server software of many kinds. You can install a basic email handling configuration with the "Mail server" task during installation, or with the "tasksel" command. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer and https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html [17:01] mahmoud__, ^ [17:02] Thanks! [17:02] i tried iced tea [17:02] but it doesnot work properly [17:02] !work | qasim [17:02] qasim: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too. [17:02] certain button dont work in web browsers [17:02] which button, where [17:03] buttons in java enabled webs [17:03] such as where. [17:03] give the url please [17:04] in my uni account [17:04] okay [17:04] for that matter you need a login id [17:04] let me fine some other site [17:04] wait [17:13] GridCube, this keeps on showing up when I run apt-get install postfix [17:13] E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) [17:13] E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/ [17:14] No other terminal instances in running. [17:14] mahmoud__, check that you dont have synaptic, USC, or that an updata of the apt lists is in process [17:16] !time [17:16] Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP) [17:16] GridCube, how to check for them? [17:17] they usually show up in top [17:17] but you should know if synaptic or usc are open [17:18] mahmoud__, if they are not, try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/102054/how-do-i-unlock-var-lib-apt-lists [17:23] qasim: i like those wiki links.. those are usually what i refer to.. or just http://thedaneshproject.com/posts/how-to-install-java-7-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts/ [17:27] 'ellos [17:28] hi for all ! Szep jo estet mindenkinek ! [17:33] can anyone help me confirm bug 1089744 ? [17:33] Launchpad bug 1089744 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu doesn't pull required dependencies for anything using "Online Accounts"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1089744 [17:33] phunyguy_t430s: o/ [17:33] heya [17:33] phunyguy_t430s: you have xubuntu 32bit? 12.10? [17:33] 64 bit [17:33] 12.10 [17:34] hmmm... thats going to be more challenging.. maybe i try the 32 [17:34] I'm sure the same thing will happen [17:35] I'm curious to try in on Lubuntu as well [17:35] probably load up a VM [17:44] hmmm, it seems there is an issue with the included "Blackbird" theme as well. [17:44] with QT apps [17:44] most of the theme colors work, but there are several areas with white on light gray text. [18:09] holstein, http://i.imgur.com/viyk2.png - Lubuntu in a VM with the same symptoms. [18:09] that is just clicking gwibber in the menu after installing it. [18:09] brings up the main gwibber menu and the control center with the applet missing === Elemeno is now known as Elemeno-work [18:10] phunyguy_t430s: i think that was was being implied last nite though.. that its not a xubuntu specific thing, but something with gwibber [18:11] right, but I think there is a twist there. [18:11] in other words, it works ONLY in Ubuntu [18:11] because it was made that way by Canonical. [18:12] If I go on Gentoo, and install Gwibber, which I have, it will provide the original way for adding accounts. [18:12] Canonical put in their own little "twist" to provide online account system integratoin. [18:12] which breaks other *ubuntu distros [18:16] phunyguy_t430s: you can always install gwibber from somewhere else.. thats what i would try [18:17] if you feel the repackageing is breaking it, remove it from the equation and test [18:22] hmm.... as in compile from source? [18:22] sure.. or whatever it says at gwibber... [18:24] holstein, weird, http://gwibber.com/ [18:24] 2.30 is latest there.... [18:25] nm/ newest is in the source [18:28] it almost seems like Ubuntu took over development completely [18:28] could be [18:29] hmm [18:33] holstein, if I don't want to mess with my original system I would use the --prefix option with ./configure, and do something like put it in a different folder, right? [18:33] trying to dig back from previous compiles [18:34] phunyguy_t430s: tbh.. im not sure.. i would hate to answer that and be wrong [18:34] i have use checkinstall [18:34] I'll try anyway [18:34] just map it to a subfolder in ~ to try it out [18:34] and not need sudo to make install [18:40] the plot thickens [18:40]