[00:00] <dscassel> mcpherrin: Charles is asking similar questions: http://charlesmccolm.com/2012/12/12/help-us-shape-which-linux-distribution-we-use-in-computer-recycling/
[00:01] <dscassel> Bob's getting settled.  We'll start momentarily.
[00:02] <mcpherrin> dscassel: interesting
[00:03] <mcpherrin> I'm skittish of Arch from stability problems, and Debian is too crusty.  Debian-testing, maybe.
[00:03] <mcpherrin> Ubuntu is almost nice, but Canonical seems bound to fuck it up :P
[00:03] <mcpherrin> I'll have to look at how xubuntu  /lubuntu are configured
[00:04] <dscassel> mcpherrin: All the stuff Canonical is doing that people seem to object to seem to be Unity-related. I don't see why derivative distributions would be a problem.
[00:05] <mcpherrin> It's also X in general
[00:05] <mcpherrin> Plus a few kernely things that are unsuitable for CSC
[00:05] <dscassel> That's hard to avoid.
[00:06] <mcpherrin> especially with a group as picky as the CSC
[00:07] <dscassel> Yeah. Bikesheds aplenty.
[00:08] <mcpherrin> Well, more that CSC uses and cares about features that most people don't.
[00:08] <mcpherrin> The average user probably doesn't care about their VTs much other than for fixing broken X, but they get used at least 20% of the time in CSC
[00:08] <BobJonkman> Hey, I'm here.
[00:08] <dscassel> Hurray!
[00:09] <dscassel> okay, let's get started.
[00:09] <BobJonkman> Bob Jonkman, from Elmira, currently at Egg Roll King for Ubuntu Hour KW
[00:09] <mcpherrin> alas I have dinner plans so I'm out of here :)
[00:10] <BobJonkman> Sorry to see you go.
[00:11] <BobJonkman> There'll be minutes and log files
[00:11] <dscassel> Roll call: Chex FiReSTaRT khoover zul azend cyphermox IdleOne Kulag ryanakca bloodylizard DarwinSurvivor Jaguar sipherdee jlamothe MagicFab txwikinger bregma egerlach johanbr
[00:11] <dscassel> Meeting start!
[00:11] <dscassel> Agenda here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-12-13
[00:12] <dscassel> Please feel free to introduce yourselves.
[00:12] <dscassel> I'm Darcy, in Waterloo. I'm LoCo contact for the now-unapproved Ubuntu Canada LoCo.
[00:12] <bloodylizard> Michael McMahon - Listowel Ontario
[00:13] <MagicFab> dscassel, o/
[00:13] <dscassel> bloodylizard: Hey! Bill Newson is here at the Kitchener Ubuntu hour from Listowel.
[00:14] <MagicFab> I'm Fabian from Montreal. I used to be LoCo contact for Ubuntu Quebec.
[00:14] <dscassel> You guys hsould get together. :)
[00:14]  * MagicFab -> http://ubuntu.magicfab.ca
[00:14] <dscassel> Hi MagicFab :)
[00:14] <MagicFab> I originally came up with the Ubuntu Hour stuff - glad to see it lives :)
[00:14] <BobJonkman> Good to see you, MagicFab
[00:14] <BobJonkman> There should be a Listowel Ubuntu Hour soon.  Right?
[00:15] <BobJonkman> Listowel is not too far from Elmira, so I'm in!
[00:16] <BobJonkman> Just gave Bill my Ubuntu standup, the better to have official Ubuntu Hours in Listowel
[00:16] <BobJonkman> http://sobac.com/temp/ubuntu/ubuntu-ca-logo-standup.jpg
[00:17] <bloodylizard> bob I agree,
[00:18] <DarwinSurvivor> I'm Doug Penner from Surrey, BC. Currently a brainstorm moderator and occasional #ubuntu helper
[00:19] <BobJonkman> So, looking at the agenda, I just want to wish everyone a happy Chrishanukwandiwaleid
[00:20] <dscassel> There isn't really anything new in terms of events.
[00:20] <dscassel> Anyone involved in anything lately?
[00:22] <BobJonkman> There's some fun non-Ubuntu things going on in Kitchener-Waterloo
[00:22] <BobJonkman> Ludum Dare this weekend, for example
[00:22] <dscassel> the main topic for this meeting, really, is the Ubuntu canada renewal.
[00:23] <dscassel> MagicFab: I noticed Quebec was just reapproved. Were you involved in that?
[00:23] <IdleOne> Evening folks
[00:24] <IdleOne> dscassel: I believe komputes pretty much was a one man team on the -qc re-approval front
[00:25] <dscassel> Well, that's reassuring. :)
[00:25] <dscassel> I don't think approval will be a problem, but I expect they'll want to approve Ubuntu Ontario, not Ubuntu Canada.
[00:26] <MagicFab> dscassel, other than kicking some tires, no.
[00:26] <IdleOne> dscassel: why would the LC want to do that?
[00:26] <IdleOne> Loco Council
[00:26] <dscassel> Except they've never actually told me that.  What I'm worried about is we'll go through the process as Canada, get denied and have to come back as Ontario.
[00:26] <MagicFab> dscassel, I believe the council understand the difference between Ubutnu Canada / QC
[00:27] <BobJonkman> I did a bit of event collation on the Reapproval page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/ReApprovalApplication2012
[00:27] <MagicFab> dscassel, so ask them before hand - don't assume stuff
[00:27] <dscassel> IdleOne: They were saying they wanted o to split up large country teams like Canada (actually, specifically Canada) a couple of UDSes ago.
[00:27] <dscassel> Sensible!
[00:27] <dscassel> :)
[00:27] <MagicFab> BobJonkman, do you refer to fun free software stuff? :)
[00:28] <IdleOne> dscassel: if they did that they would also have to split, USA and other large country teams
[00:28] <dscassel> The US is already split.
[00:28] <dscassel> OTOH, they seem really reluctant to split India.
[00:29] <MagicFab> lol
[00:29] <BobJonkman> MagicFab: I'm not sure what you mean by "fun free software stuff:
[00:29] <MagicFab> BobJonkman, well, free software-related events/activities
[00:30] <BobJonkman> I meant other free software events in town.
[00:30] <IdleOne> dscassel: because if they did they would also have to allow different language based regional teams probably. India has 26-27 official languages.
[00:30] <BobJonkman> MagicFab: yes.
[00:30] <MagicFab> BobJonkman, nice page! I'd remove/move stuff not related to the last year (ie - the other release parties
[00:30] <dscassel> I'm planning on polishing up the reapproval app in the new year.  Probably February.
[00:31] <dscassel> I've got a hackerspace to move over the next couple of months. That's going to suck up most of my copious free time.
[00:31] <MagicFab> mhhh.. wait, all are within range - sorry
[00:31] <IdleOne> I think the best thing to do would be to speak with the LC before hand and seeing what they are thinking. Us assuming/guessing is not going to be helpful to anybody.
[00:31] <MagicFab> Lots of pics, that's nice too
[00:31] <MagicFab> IdleOne, +1 that
[00:32] <BobJonkman> MagicFab: Yes, I've only been adding things to the 2010 reapproval page.
[00:32]  * MagicFab brb
[00:32] <BobJonkman> Culling old events comes next
[00:32] <dscassel> IdleOne, MagicFab Yeah. Definitely. I'll send that email off sometime soon.
[00:33] <IdleOne> anyway, being officially approved would be nice, for the swag and DVDs.
[00:33] <dscassel> If other people have time to work on reapproval before February, please be my guest! :)
[00:34] <BobJonkman> I'll need some direction, but I can provide assistance
[00:34] <dscassel> IdleOne: Yeah, moreso if we were running a conference. The DVDs on their own are a bit fo a nuissance.
[00:35] <IdleOne> How so?
[00:35] <bloodylizard> bob if you want we can do some work together
[00:35] <dscassel> I need to pay ~$30 in duties and then get rid of them somehow.
[00:35] <BobJonkman> bloodylizard: Great!
[00:35] <dscassel> Bob and Charles help with that. The rest go to mcpherrin at the UW Computer Science Club.
[00:35] <IdleOne> dscassel: Canonical pays those duties, least they do for other teams
[00:36] <dscassel> BobJonkman bloodylizard: :D
[00:36] <dscassel> IdleOne: I get a $30 bill for brokerage fees every time.
[00:36] <bloodylizard> if we get some guidence I am sure we can get moving
[00:36] <IdleOne> you should see about getting reimbursed.
[00:37] <dscassel> Mind ou, the first one I got was a ~$70 bill.  Seems they streamlied something.
[00:38] <IdleOne> dscassel: Ask czajkowski about those shipping bills, I think she handles that if not she knows who does.
[00:39] <dscassel> IdleOne: It's not so much the money as the inconvenience.
[00:40] <MagicFab> dscassel, why do you still need CDs? The past few batches here in QC hardly got distributed. Everyones does the USB stick thing.
[00:40] <IdleOne> MagicFab: has -qc ever paid for shipping?
[00:41] <dscassel> MagicFab: That's my question, really. That's the only thing being an approved team gets us, if we're not doing a conference.
[00:42] <BobJonkman> MagicFab: CDs /DVDs are nice to give out, give a bit more security than sucking an image off my computer, and make a visually appealing display
[00:43] <dscassel> It'd be nicer if they were 64bit. :)
[00:43] <BobJonkman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Toronto/Meetings/PrecisePangolinUbuntuHour%28s%29
[00:45] <dscassel> The Computer Science Club really likes handing out the CDs, which is cool.  If I were more organized, I'd stuff Ubuntu Canada leaflets in there.
[00:47] <dscassel> It'd be nice if I could distribute them more widely than just KW.  But I'm not keen on more shipping costs (not that anyone's asked)
[00:49] <bloodylizard> so when does the approval stuff need to be completed?
[00:50] <dscassel> bloodylizard: There's no timeline at this point. We're an unapproved team, and will remain so until we do the reapproval.
[00:50] <dscassel> Being an unapproved team means we can't get DVDs or conference packs.  And that's about it.
[00:50] <bregma> out of curiosity, what's in a conference pack?
[00:51] <BobJonkman> So it would be nice to get reapproved before 13.04
[00:51] <dscassel> bregma: based on the one we got, stickers, DVDs, a hat, a book, ... and I think taht's it.
[00:52] <dscassel> We got one for Ontario Linux Fest
[00:53] <dscassel> maysherestinpeace
[00:53] <bloodylizard> how long after we finish paperwork will it take for the approval?
[00:53] <BobJonkman> We have a banner... http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8048/8133862006_2d3e11be7f.jpg
[00:54] <BobJonkman> Hi chaslinux2!
[00:54] <bregma> I was wondering if the "conference pack" would be appropriate for recruitment at the local universities
[00:54] <bregma> I have kids there now
[00:55] <dscassel> After the wiki page is up, we book a meeting.  Which may take several months to get the meeting.  Or it may be very fast.
[00:56] <dscassel> BobJonkman: The banner was a bonus. I think the conference pack had a table cloth. We got one of those from somewhere.
[00:56] <dscassel> bregma: If there's an event, we can get a conference pack.
[00:57] <BobJonkman> we got some necklace conference badge holders too
[00:57] <bregma> cool, I'll pass the information along
[00:57] <dscassel> if you can convince your kids to start an Ubuntu group with a track record, that probably helps convince them to ship it there.
[00:57] <dscassel> It's not automatic.
[00:58] <dscassel> I'll even ship them CDs. :)
[00:58] <BobJonkman> bregma:  A few Ubuntu Hours and a Release Party should do it
[00:58] <bregma> I'm not sure what they do on campus, but they're not allowed glass bottles
[00:58] <dscassel> Oh man.
[00:59] <dscassel> What school?
[01:00] <bregma> daughter's boyfriend is a Carleton
[01:01] <dscassel> Cool.  I'm in Ottawa once or twice a year.  I could drop off CDs (should we be reapproved).
[01:01] <BobJonkman> What are our next steps for ReApproval?  I'll clean up the ReApproval page by removing old stuff.
[01:02] <dscassel> The wiki page, really.
[01:02] <dscassel> And I'll email the LoCo council about whether we're approving Canada or Ontario.
[01:03] <BobJonkman> Anyone here from not-Ontario (and not-Quebec)?
[01:03] <bloodylizard> i suspect the LC expects to see activity on the wiki, etc
[01:03] <dscassel> Yup!
[01:03] <bregma> if you need LoCo representation at UDS let me know, I'll be there anyway
[01:04] <dscassel> If you run an hour (I'm looking at you, Listowel), post pictures and emailthem to me. dscassel@ubuntu.com
[01:04] <BobJonkman> I can duplicate the KW Release Party results on the Wiki, but I think the LoCo likes to see independent blog posts about Ubuntu events too.
[01:04] <MagicFab> dscassel, unless you make it an "Ontario or Canada vs Quebec" thing, it won't be.
[01:05] <dscassel> Yeah, there's no vs Quebec.
[01:06] <BobJonkman> There's a Vancouver LoCo, but it looks like they're not Approved either
[01:07] <BobJonkman> I found a sub-page on the CanadianTeam Wiki a few weeks ago: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Vancouver/
[01:07] <dscassel> Randall's got his own view on these things...
[01:09] <bloodylizard> bob when is the next hour in Waterloo, I should come by and introduce myself
[01:10] <BobJonkman> chaslinux2: will have one the first Friday in January
[01:10] <dscassel> We're discussing that. :)
[01:11] <bloodylizard> perfect I will add to the schedule
[01:11] <BobJonkman> chaslinux2 is here, but not chatting (he's limited to a Blackberry, with screen too small for a Canada-wide meeting)
[01:11] <dscassel> Watch the LoCo Team page. http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca
[01:11] <dscassel> Jan. 4 at Egg Roll King in Kitchener.
[01:12] <dscassel> 7pm.
[01:12] <bloodylizard> mmm eggrolls :)
[01:13] <dscassel> It's good. :)
[01:13] <dscassel> Actually, we/'re discussing the time.
[01:13] <dscassel> Watch the loco page. :)
[01:14] <BobJonkman> ERK is *really* busy on Fridays, so we're trying to find a time that won't incur Tony's wrath
[01:15] <BobJonkman> (Tony is the proprietor of ERK, and a really nice guy)
[01:16] <dscassel> We do a separate one in Waterloo. It has been the 4th Thursday, but may get moved around in the new year.
[01:16] <dscassel> We need to publicize that more.
[01:17] <dscassel> We're over time, and I should probably be sociable. :)
[01:17] <dscassel> I'll call the meeting closed.  Don't let me stop the discussion, though.  I'll keep an eye on my phone. :)
[01:18] <chaslinux2> so tony is okay with 6pm.
[01:18] <BobJonkman> I'm signing off; laptop takes too much room on the table
[01:18] <bloodylizard> ok I flexable, if I not workign in Toronto
[01:19] <dscassel_> bloodylizard: i look forward to hearing about the Listowel Ubuntu Hour
[01:20] <dscassel_> :)
[01:20] <bloodylizard> alright a town of 5000 people I willhave to offer coffee and donuts :)
[21:07] <pinebei> hi. can anyone here watch video on citytv? I can watch pretty much any video --youtube (obviously), ctv, vimeo etc but for some reason city doesn't work. here is a link to a video on city if anyone wants to try for themselves: http://video.citytv.com/video/detail/2028463577001.000000/josh-and-mindys-christmas-party/
[21:08] <pinebei> i don't believe it to be related to browser or plugins --it doesn't work on firefox with adblock and flashblock but it also doesn't work on chromium with no plugins
[21:09] <pinebei> if anyone has any suggestions i would be glad to here it... i have almost talked my spouse into a linux media centre for our living room but no city could be a deal breaker!
[21:56] <BobJonkman> Hi pinebei: Just trying it now
[21:59] <BobJonkman> Doesn't work for me in FF either, but I've locked that down with NoScript, AdBlock Plus, RequestPolicy, Ghostery, User Agent Switcher, HTTPS Everywhere, and Cookie Manager.
[21:59] <BobJonkman> Can't be too safe...
[22:00] <BobJonkman> Trying it in Iron (supposedly a Chromium derivative without the Google account integration)
[22:01] <BobJonkman> It wants Flash, which I don't have installed, and I'm not about to.
[22:01] <BobJonkman> Looking at the code for that page, it looks like some ugly Javascript for something called Brightcove does a bunch of geolocation checking based on timezone, and other Javascripty stuff
[22:12] <BobJonkman> Hi bloodylizard, you around?
[22:13] <bloodylizard> yep just back from the office, working on my raspberry pi
[22:13] <BobJonkman> Cool.  You said yesterday you could help with the LoCo reapproval
[22:13] <bloodylizard> I would love to if you need the need help
[22:13] <BobJonkman> Are you on the Ubuntu-ca mailing list?
[22:14] <bloodylizard> yes I am,
[22:15] <bloodylizard> what is it that we need to get organized
[22:15] <BobJonkman> That would be the best place to discuss the ReApproval, I think.  There are more participants there than in IRC.  Anything we create or publish can go on the LoCo Team wiki
[22:16] <BobJonkman> First ReApproval page needs to get cleaned up.
[22:17] <BobJonkman> I think dscassel will be approaching the LoCo Council, first to find out what it is we're ReApproving (Ubuntu-ca, or Ubuntu-ca-on, or Ubuntu-on)
[22:17] <bloodylizard> ok is the reapproval application 2012 paeg the new page?
[22:17] <BobJonkman> And then to set a date for the online LoCo meeting where the ReApproval takes place
[22:17] <BobJonkman> Yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/ReApprovalApplication2012
[22:18] <bloodylizard> ok having a look now
[22:18] <BobJonkman> I just copied it from the 2010 page, added some pictures and links to events over the past two years
[22:18] <BobJonkman> But MagicFab pointed out there are still many references to previous events that shouldn't be there
[22:19] <bloodylizard> ok so it needs some cleanup and new material from this year added
[22:20] <BobJonkman> I only added what I know: KW events, and the occasional Toronto event
[22:20] <willwh> hi guys :)
[22:20] <BobJonkman> hi willwh
[22:20] <willwh> anyone pretty python proficient?
[22:20] <willwh> it's not one of my strong points
[22:20] <bloodylizard> hey willwh
[22:20] <BobJonkman> I'm just learning Python.
[22:21] <willwh> cool
[22:21] <willwh> well
[22:21] <willwh> I'll toss this out there in the event someone can help :)
[22:21] <willwh> https://gist.github.com/ae5b34f6faccec14fd66
[22:21] <BobJonkman> Haven't written anything more profound than "Hello World"
[22:21] <willwh> to explain, I play a game - and the only way to get server status is from the page in that script ;]
[22:21] <willwh> I use supybot (it's awesome - it's ubottu)
[22:21] <willwh> anyway the only way to scrape the up/down status for various types
[22:22] <willwh> is based on the damned image names
[22:22] <willwh> haha
[22:22] <BobJonkman> bloodylizard: If we're looking for Ubuntu-ca re-approval then we need to include some events outside Ontario
[22:22] <BobJonkman> willwh: That seems unfortunate, and limiting
[22:22] <bloodylizard> ok have the guys from Quebec or out east offered anything up
[22:22] <willwh> BobJonkman: quite :]
[22:23] <willwh> so
[22:23] <willwh> anyway - I need to find a python not
[22:23] <bloodylizard> willwh - wish I could help but I more of an infrastrucutre guy that a coder
[22:23] <willwh> and honestly - the folks in #python are the worst kind of IRC users ;)
[22:23] <willwh> well same here
[22:23] <BobJonkman> bloodylizard: The only two things I know about are the start of the Moncton LUG and the St. John's Ubuntu Jam
[22:23] <willwh> I am sys-ops
[22:24] <bloodylizard> do we have a east coast contact to reach out to?
[22:24] <BobJonkman> Quebec events would be covered by Ubuntu-qc, and Vancouver does its own thing
[22:24] <bloodylizard> interesting to see the country divided up like this, will we end up as an ontario loco
[22:24] <BobJonkman> linuxmonkey is the Moncton contact
[22:25] <BobJonkman> willwh: I do more sysadmin stuff than programming too.
[22:25] <BobJonkman> Hard to believe I earned my living as a coder at one time.  Just haven't kept up with that
[22:26] <bloodylizard> I am in the same boat bob, now I do infrastructure architecture work, coding skills are long gone now
[22:26] <BobJonkman> bloodylizard:  Fo2adZz is our St. John's contact
[22:27] <BobJonkman> I haven't seen either of them in IRC in quite a while
[22:27] <bloodylizard> do we want to push out a mailing list email to kick start the process
[22:27]  * BobJonkman is having a split brain experience, carrying on two conversations at once
[22:28] <BobJonkman> bloodylizard: There's a discussion already, although it's been stalled since the previous IRC meeting.  Hang on, I'll try to find it in the archives
[22:28] <bloodylizard> ok i likely have the email in my box
[22:29] <BobJonkman> Here's the start of that mailing list discussion on ReApproval: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2012-November/009817.html
[22:29] <bloodylizard> alright I will have a read
[22:35] <BobJonkman> BTW, everyone here is most welcome to help out with ReApproval. Please sign up for the Ubuntu-ca mailing list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ca
[22:36] <BobJonkman> And log into Ubuntu Wiki and help with the Canadian Team pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam
[22:37] <bloodylizard> yep I already logged in and fixed my member info today, it was a little dated
[22:37] <bregma> willwh, what is the problem with your python script?
[22:37] <willwh> bregma: hey :)
[22:37] <willwh> well, when run, it returns for every image on the page
[22:37] <bloodylizard> I been sorta out of the linux space for a bit doing other things
[22:37] <willwh> I only want a one line return
[22:38] <BobJonkman> I'm not sure how many people in IRC are already on the mailing list or on registed for the Wiki through Launchpad.  There's no requirement for consistency in usernames on the various forums, so the same people may have different names (and I may think there's three of you)
[22:40] <BobJonkman> Speaking of forums, there's also http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=395 where I tried to stir up some fire for ReApproval
[22:44] <bloodylizard> sounds like we need to start creating entries from the ubuntu hours like a blog roll to show we are active
[22:45] <pinebei> BobJonkman: hey, sorry i was gone for a while. thanks for trying.
[22:45] <BobJonkman> NP, pinebei
[22:45] <bregma> willwh, this workd for me, is it what you're looking for?  http://paste.debian.net/216332/
[22:46] <bregma> er, I made a mistake, http://paste.debian.net/216333/
[22:47] <BobJonkman> bloodylizard: I'm not sure what you mean by "entries from Ubuntu Hours".  You mean add a page or section on the Wiki with a picture and summary from each Ubuntu Hour?
[22:48] <bloodylizard> bob exactly make a point of writing a paragraph about what was done, I goign to try to make the effort to get to these as part of my regular work day
[22:48] <BobJonkman> bloodylizard: OK, that would be good.
[22:49] <willwh> bregma: awesome :)
[22:49] <BobJonkman> I'm hoping that some other locations will set up Ubuntu Hours, even irregular ones.
[22:49] <willwh> yeah that works nicely
[22:50] <BobJonkman> You'd think that Toronto would have a big enough Ubuntu population to support an Ubuntu Hour, but the only ones have been where I've gone to distribute CDs
[22:50] <BobJonkman> Fortunately, genii-around holds Toronto release parties.
[22:50] <bloodylizard> I goign to talk to the guys who own healthy computers here is town to see if they would be willing to promote Ubuntu and help with a local hour
[22:53] <BobJonkman> Bill Newson was at the KW Ubuntu Hour yesterday.  He's from Listowel too, and I'm only about 30km away in Elmira.  I gave Bill some CDs and my Ubuntu Hour standup, so he's all equipped for an Ubuntu Hour
[22:54] <bloodylizard> sounds goods maybe I see if I can contact him and see if he ants to join forces out here
[22:56] <BobJonkman> Bill is on the Waterloo Region mailing list.  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-waterloo-region
[22:58] <BobJonkman> Maybe have an Ubuntu Hour  in Listowel, where we can collaborate on some ReApproval stuff.
[22:59] <bloodylizard> that might be perfect way to accomplish the task