[14:29] <_stink_> so i'm enforcing pep8 on myself for the first time
[14:29] <_stink_> boy that's a long list of things i have to fix
[14:33] <brousch> Line length is the one that kills me
[14:38] <_stink_> yeah, same here
[14:38] <_stink_> sometimes i can't figure out a sane way to split it
[14:39] <_stink_> so i just... don't
[14:39] <brousch> yes
[14:40] <brousch> I tend to use longish variable names
[15:29] <snap-l> _stink_: It's totally worth it.
[15:29] <snap-l> There's some automated scripts you can use for pep8 under vim
[15:29] <_stink_> yeah, was just looking at those
[15:30] <_stink_> and i confess going through this little project and fixing continuation indents has made it much more readable
[15:30] <_stink_> i don't love not being able to put spaces around kwargs
[15:30] <_stink_> but that's my only real complaint
[15:30] <_stink_> and i can get over it.
[15:31] <snap-l> Mine is the 80 character line limit
[15:31] <_stink_> hopefully i can get these in my brain and not write it wrong from now on.
[15:34] <snap-l> Man, this has been a fun year.
[15:34] <snap-l> JoDee's grandmother is apparently ill
[15:34] <jjesse> that stinks
[15:34] <snap-l> her mom says she might not make it through the day. Though this is also the same woman who spent several months saying her grandfather wasn't going to make it
[15:34] <snap-l> so lord knows
[15:35] <jjesse> that's terrible
[15:35] <snap-l> Yeah, JoDee's mom is not terribly reliable
[15:46] <rick_h_> _stink_: pastebin the lines you can't shorten and I'll show you
[15:46] <rick_h_> _stink_: and once you do it for a bit, it becomes second nature
[15:47] <rick_h_> but definitly suggest add https://github.com/mitechie/bookie_parser/blob/pyramid/Makefile#L72
[15:55] <_stink_> so the flake8 tool is preferred to the pep8 tool?
[15:56] <snap-l> pep8--Driessen and syntastic
[15:56] <snap-l> THose are the two I use.
[15:56] <rick_h_> _stink_: it's just easy as it combines pyflakes, which catches things like missing/extra import
[15:56] <rick_h_> systastic is set to use flake8 as it's python processor
[15:56] <_stink_> ah, cool
[15:57] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/856/ is my syntastic setup
[15:58] <rick_h_> and autocmd FileType python map <buffer> <leader>M :SyntasticCheck<CR>
[15:58] <rick_h_> which let's me do a syntastic update manually with ,M at any time
[16:02] <_stink_> hah, i love this line from the syntastic vim.org page: "If syntax errors are detected, the user is notified and is happy because they didn't have to compile their code or execute their script to find them."
[16:02] <_stink_> the user is happy
[16:02]  * rick_h_ is all kinds of happy
[16:38] <greg-g> I think Rowan is just reminding us how hard he was a year ago, in celebration of his one year bday.
[16:39] <greg-g> Carrie barely slept last night
[17:07] <greg-g> jrwren: you retweet Bob Marshal a lot, I just looked up his website, and I love his beard :)
[18:15] <greg-g> man it is great to use notmuch on an ssd again, SO FAST.
[18:15] <jrwren> greg-g: i really like his tweets :)
[18:16] <jrwren> what is notmuch?
[18:16] <rick_h_> greg-g: +1
[18:16] <rick_h_> <3 notmuch
[18:17] <rick_h_> jrwren: an email fulltext index/search tool
[18:17] <jrwren> for use with mutt or something?
[18:17] <greg-g> yeah, mutt or whatever
[18:17] <rick_h_> yea, works with anything really. There's a script you can add to your mutt config to search through notmuch
[18:18] <greg-g> http://notmuchmail.org/
[18:18] <rick_h_> so keep my nice gmail-like search but keep using nice offline imap and terminal based email
[18:18] <greg-g> http://notmuchmail.org/frontends/
[18:46] <snap-l> Fuckl
[18:47] <jjesse> what now?
[18:47] <snap-l> CT shooting, and the ensuing internet "make things right" movement
[18:48] <snap-l> "Sorry for your loss, but could you take a moment to sign this petition banning bad things from happening to good people? Thaaanks."
[18:48] <jjesse> yeah that sucks
[18:50] <jjesse> any idea what was behind the shooter/
[18:50] <jjesse> motive wise?
[18:50] <snap-l> No idea, and couldn't care less
[18:51] <snap-l> I'm tired of these assholes
[18:51] <snap-l> Tey go out in a media shitstorm, and their victims fade away.
[19:02] <rick_h_> hmm, erica was just texting me asking me to give michael a big hug over this CT stuff
[19:02] <greg-g> :(
[19:03] <greg-g> I was just on the phone with my mom/dad because my internet was out (and owed them a call), they just told me
[19:04] <rick_h_> oh geeze...a freaking elementary school?!
[19:04] <rick_h_> and man all the news places getting quotes from 6/8yr olds ugh
[19:04] <rick_h_> the world sucks
[19:04] <snap-l> Yeah, this is fucked up
[19:04] <brousch> Oh man. I just pulled up the first article on google News and it has a picture of a line of kids being led out. One of them looks just like George
[19:05] <greg-g> fucking eh man
[19:06] <greg-g> I just...
[19:06] <rick_h_> this one is going to be heard for a while...gun control lobby is gearing up and it's sickening on both ends of the debate
[19:07] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's why I posted what I did.
[19:07] <greg-g> who pays for that gun control lobby, again? last time I checked, it wasn't as centrally controlled like the NRA
[19:07] <snap-l> My Twitter feed exploded
[19:07]  * greg-g 's as well
[19:07] <rick_h_> yea
[19:08] <rick_h_> https://twitter.com/BenjaminBirdie/status/279656236234981376 +1
[19:08] <snap-l> Seriously, though, I'm tired of both sides gearing up whenever a seriously emotional event occurs
[19:09] <rick_h_> yea, that's the bad thing is that both sides will come out slimy
[19:09] <greg-g> the only way things change
[19:09] <snap-l> It's not welcome.
[19:09] <greg-g> people are complacent until the news tells them not to be
[19:09] <snap-l> "Oh, sorry your grandma died from Alzheimers. Here, sign this petition banning Alzheimers"
[19:09] <greg-g> a tad superfluous, but ok
[19:10] <snap-l> This is the same reactionist shit that gives us stuff like the TSA
[19:10]  * snap-l feels a rant coming on
[19:10] <greg-g> except, there isn't a pro-terrorist group for the otherside from that one.
[19:10] <rick_h_> it is, but I wonder how many people are inconvienced getting on planes vs inconvienced getting a gnu
[19:10] <greg-g> i mean, in the national debate
[19:11] <rick_h_> hah, a gnu...those gnu folks always wanting a gnu in the backyard
[19:11] <snap-l> I'll wager with anyone that whatever means allowed this jakass to procure a weapon was perfectly legal, and after regulation will continue to be legal.
[19:12] <snap-l> You can'teffectively ban symptoms
[19:12] <rick_h_> well this is some 20yr old kid, it'll be interesting to see the story once they trace how he got a hold of the guns and such
[19:12] <greg-g> except all those other examples where people have...
[19:12] <rick_h_> if some stupid dad didn't have his shit locked up, he better go into witness protection in a hury
[19:13] <brousch> 20 year old is an adult
[19:14] <greg-g> unless you want to drink
[19:14]  * greg-g just likes throwing inconsistencies out there ;)
[19:15] <snap-l> greg-g: By in a Man's World.
[19:15] <brousch> heh
[19:15] <snap-l> Boy in a Man's World
[19:15] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_in_a_Man's_World
[19:15] <rick_h_> meh, call me an old grouchy man with a 21yr old 'kid' brother but 20 is a kit through and through.
[19:16] <greg-g> :)
[19:16] <rick_h_> /kit/kid
[19:16] <greg-g> I agree, in today's world especially, 20 year olds haven't grown up at all anymore
[19:16] <greg-g> I wasn't grown up at 20
[19:16] <greg-g> I was a ef up still
[19:16] <greg-g> (still am, to some ;) )
[19:16] <rick_h_> yep
[19:17] <greg-g> rick_h_ thinks I'm an ef up
[19:17] <snap-l> some days I feel like I'm just celebrating anniversaries of my 21st birthday.
[19:17] <greg-g> (sorry, I have to joke right now, otherwise I'll just quit working today, on my last day before 3 weeks vacation)
[19:18] <rick_h_> greg-g: hey, I'm a big ef up as well. :P
[19:18] <rick_h_> though if I get the TL role I guess I'll have to grow up some more boooo
[19:18] <greg-g> at least you got the awesome toys!
[19:18] <greg-g> TL?
[19:18] <rick_h_> anyway, I jump online for a few min and find this. Time to go back offline on my sick day and run away
[19:18] <greg-g> ah, suck, feel better man
[19:18] <rick_h_> TL == team lead. My team lead is moving up so I'm going for team load for my quad
[19:18] <greg-g> ah, gotcha
[19:19] <brousch> ooooh
[19:19] <rick_h_> which sucks, but oh well
[19:19] <greg-g> snap-l: thought you'd like this: "31,347 Americans died from gun violence in US last yr. http://1.usa.gov/L791PT ; 17 from terrorism: http://on.cfr.org/KBQyO4"
[19:19] <greg-g> I know I know, just, interesting
[19:19]  * greg-g lets snap-l get last word and then he moves on ;)
[19:22] <snap-l> greg-g: No worries. It's quite telling, frankly.
[19:25] <snap-l> speaking of fantasy worlds without guns, I really like this setting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GURPS_Banestorm ;)
[19:26] <snap-l> "For instance, in the 16th century a number of humans were transported to Yrth from France, bringing with them dangerous knowledge of Protestantism, and gunpowder. The latter has since been suppressed due to concerns by the Empire of Megalos about too much technological progress."
[20:10] <greg-g> heh
[20:21] <snap-l> There's an awful lot of delivery vehicles not making stops in front of my house.
[20:21] <snap-l> This must be rectified.
[21:20] <devinheitmueller> Hey, does anybody have an contacts in San Francisco area who are looking for IT people?
[21:23] <billings> ooh, GURPS
[21:34] <snap-l> billings: Yeah, one of my favirote RPG systems.
[22:06] <greg-g> rick_h_: if you're still around, have you heard of/used this fork of mutt with built in notmuch support? http://notmuchmail.org/frontends/
[22:12] <snap-l> The only problem with the cat sleeping next to me on the couch is my ass was falling asleep, and I didn't have the heart to move her
[22:20] <rick_h_> greg-g: no, because it's not packaged so juts not bothered since it works for me as is
[23:06]  * greg-g nods