[01:01] Cheri703: So, it has come to this... [01:01] howdy [01:02] hey [01:02] sorry i'm late guys [01:02] totally honest: lost track of time, but I'm here :) [01:02] yeah, me too [01:02] who all is here for the meeting? [01:02] * drkokandy is here [01:02] * gilbert waves [01:02] * skellat is here [01:03] so, small attendance apparently [01:03] *shrug* it happens [01:03] gilbert: Perhaps some people need pinging? [01:03] eh, its december, people are busy [01:03] ++gilbert [01:03] let's get started [01:03] Cheri703: It isn't like this wasn't announced on the mailing list and forum over 48 hours ago [01:03] I am here. New to Ubuntu Oh and not familiar with IRC [01:03] hello...here for meeting short time [01:04] ah welcome :) [01:04] bamoore: pretty much just type and press enter :) [01:04] Welcome bamoore and ohio-mlot [01:04] bamoore ohio-mlot welcome! [01:04] welcome bamoore ohio-mlot [01:04] Thanks! [01:04] if you want someone's name auto-completed, type the first few letters and then press tab [01:04] Ah, ok [01:04] there's a particular person floating around the ubuntu-sphere who is often referred to as "cz" :D [01:05] ok, so i was thinking this would be informal, so anyone with news or topics of interest, go ahead and bring em up [01:05] because spelling it is complicated ;) [01:05] lol [01:05] lol [01:05] uhm, Mansfield was going to have an ubuntu hour but it kinda got eaten. Not sure what's going on there. Unit193, if you have input, let us know :) [01:05] still okay for next week anyday Cheri703 Unit193 [01:06] well, except friday [01:06] so, a couple things happened since the last meeting: arizon loco was disconnected, and the not-happening ubu hours in some cities were taken out of the calendar [01:06] cool. Monday and tuesday I've got stuff going on, but beyond that I'm good. [01:06] Yeah, I got those taken care of [01:06] We actually made a monthly report for November 2012 [01:07] that too :) [01:07] congrats council [01:07] I have attempted a few venues of reaching out to the loco teams/council/whatnot, but no specific responses. going to try a few others [01:07] anything else from that report worth bringing up again? [01:08] i guess the big thing is the election for the third council seat (which totally fell off due to busyness) [01:08] Nah. All the November report said was that we held an IRC meeting in November. We need December activities like IRC meetings and Ubuntu hours to include for the December 2012 report that has to be up by the 1st Sunday in January 2013. [01:08] well my own busyness [01:08] yeah, we need to get that going. [01:08] One thing I'll suggest before we do the election: [01:09] we should probably try to reach out to the other columbus group, just to get a feel for what they're up to. Not saying we'll give a seat to someone from the group, but just "adding more to ranks before election perhaps not a bad thing?" [01:09] they seem to be somewhat active [01:09] yes, i've been meaning to interact more with Aaron, and i have his email somewheres [01:10] Another thing to consider: not having an "approved" loco for ohio and letting them do their thing and we do our thing without competition. Not sure about that one, been sort of mulling it around. There are some REALLY REALLY active groups that aren't "official" [01:10] here's the link to the group in case anyone needs it: http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-Stop/ [01:10] Cheri703: what are you saying? [01:11] no, like keeping the group [01:11] not getting rid of this group [01:11] (just realized how that might come across) [01:11] so we were the "approved" loco for the state of ohio, right? [01:11] and now our "approval" has expired [01:11] Just the psychological distance of being not directly associated with Canonical's hierachy? [01:11] we really need to discuss getting that approval back [01:11] when there is an "approved" group, other groups are somewhat discouraged and are encouraged to assimilate. [01:12] we have a thriving "unofficial" group in the state. I don't think we should do anything to alienate them, considering they are pretty separated from "the community" at large afaik [01:12] and yeah gilbert, this may be a discussion for another time. just something I've been pondering a bit [01:12] Do we have enough of a critical mass to be able to support an approved team at the moment, though? [01:13] I don't really know [01:13] ok, well working with other groups in the state is a very good thing in my opinion [01:13] that's why I want to discuss with community/loco/whoever council [01:13] Cheri703: ok, let's discuss that now [01:13] Cheri703: what are your thoughts? [01:13] Cheri703: As to that, I couldn't bring up the large-area/small-numbers issue during the Jono Bacon Band meeting earlier this week when you had to leave it [01:14] skellat: that seemed like a server team meeting, not a community meeting, so I dunno if times/rooms got messed up [01:15] gilbert: there is a new push for loco collaboration (at least a visible one), and I think that teams like u-CO (someone there mentioned having similar issues) and teams like ours, and teams that are making it work can work together to talk about best practices and such. Hoping stuff like that will come of this new push. [01:15] Oh, server team was in the meeting place. The Community Team was off in #ubuntu-community-meeting and I contributed a little but didn't get to raise the large-area/separated numbers issue. [01:15] gotcha skellat :) [01:16] is there a wiki regarding that "push"? [01:16] I'm going to write up an email for the loco council, will probably post it to the list for input before sending it. [01:16] uhm, I dunno, some of jono's blog posts [01:16] hang on, let me see what I can find [01:16] Cheri703: sounds good [01:17] gilbert: Most of the push from the meeting was on beefing up The Advocacy Development Kit and trying to reach people where they're at rather than seeking to have them come to us. At a couple points Jono raised the notion of pushing towards more use of AskUbuntu and Reddit in lieu of forums/lists. [01:17] http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/11/08/ubuntu-advocacy-development-kit/ [01:17] http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/12/10/community-team-meetings-and-loco-teams/ [01:17] so, something i've been concerned about is the lack of activity from reloco leads. i wonder if we need to rethink that, or have some reloco lead pinging process? [01:18] We're going to need regular check-ins [01:18] well, i don't want to be too formal, that just makes things unfun :( [01:18] yeah, when you have 2 people in your area (or one in some) it's easy to put down "hey, reloco!" but....nothing actually happens there [01:18] Of course, I saw in the logs jandrusk and paultag asking about Ashtabula being pinned on the map still and acknowledging that, yes, I am in fact still here... [01:19] :) [01:19] skellat: but you're the only one in your area, right? have you done any events? [01:19] I'm it locally in Ashtabula. The only other known users live with me. [01:20] Nobody else has self-identified out here. [01:20] a singular person isn't really a leader [01:20] There is some guy I saw on g+ that is in ohio, but I know nothing other than that, something Wagner, he replied to someone's post and mentioned ohio and I went "WHAA?!" and then didn't message him >_> [01:20] perhaps a post to the new g+ community, see if we can shake anyone out of the woodwork [01:20] i'm sure there are ashtabula users out there, it's a question of evangilism and activity [01:20] ...i mean getting to know them [01:21] it's hard to be "that weird person talking about computers" re: evangelism, if you're on your own [01:21] I made a sign for my work computer with an ubuntu logo on it :) [01:21] Cheri703: very true [01:21] so folks can ask me if they're curious [01:21] Cheri703: do you get many noticing that? [01:21] Evangelism and Activity is on hold until we get past crap like this in the local news: http://starbeacon.com/local/x942849664/Deputies-looking-for-pair-who-crashed-their-way-from-Kmart-shoplifting [01:22] weird people are everywhere [01:22] Yes, but on Maslow's Hierarchy we've got lower-level issues that are verily unaddressed. [01:23] doesn't mean we put our efforts on hold because there are weirdos out there [01:23] skellat: do you mean within the loco? if so, please expound [01:23] gilbert: Nope. Just Ashtabula County. [01:24] can I interject a bit? [01:24] Cheri703: please :) [01:24] Cheri703: Yep [01:25] bamoore, ohio-mlot, any other new-ish folks (or just new to IRC) how did you find U-Ohio and what would you like to see? What parts of the state are you in? [01:25] Dayton area myself [01:25] ohio-mlot: cool! i'm in dayton now too [01:26] sorry if I respond slow [01:26] no problem [01:26] Hmm...I believe I saw some activity on the Fridge, if I remember correctly. I am in NW Ohio. [01:26] first time using irc on android [01:26] bamoore: canthus13 isn't around, but he's in toledo :) [01:27] I'm in Mansfield [01:27] I guess I am new to this so I am interested to see what all a LoCo does. [01:27] ohio-mlot: are you aware of the dayton linux users group? [01:27] hehe, at the moment? ........not a ton ;) Goal is to have events and help each other and socialize and whatnot, as well as "spreading the word" about Ubuntu [01:27] support and socialization is most of what happens on IRC :) [01:28] gilbert: yes...just haven't gotten around there yet [01:28] i try to make it to their monthly meetings [01:28] http://www.dma1.org/linux/ [01:29] its a good way to get involved in this part of the state [01:29] Ah, ok :). I am part of a student chapter of ACM (Association for Computing Machinery). I was thinking about trying to get more of them involved in Ubuntu...but I myself am still learning much about Ubuntu/Linux [01:29] its of course more than ubuntu [01:29] gilbert: you guys meet at Wright State? [01:29] next meeting is next thursday. if you make it, i'll be there [01:29] yes [01:31] anyway, so any other topics of interest? i need to step out soon [01:31] I'll work toward contacting LoCo council, not likely we'll get a response before the new year [01:31] that'll be my work item :) [01:31] btw election may not happen till january. i'll be way to busy unless Cheri703 wants to run it [01:32] I'm normally not this ranty. It has been a weird day. [01:32] Do either bamoore or ohio-mlot know we have a podcast? [01:32] I guess I am looking to learn more about implementing Ubuntu at work...not tonight but eventually [01:32] skellat: link it ;) [01:32] skellat: Yes, I have listened to some of them [01:32] http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/burningcircle [01:33] there are a few people floating around who use ubuntu in a work environment, I think [01:33] ohio-mlot: do you mean increasing installations at your work? [01:33] I use it full-time for my work, but...I work from home :) [01:34] ohio-mlot: if you have any questions at any time, please feel free to ask here. we're always happy to lend a hand [01:34] I mean to increase and eventually make it our primary os [01:34] ohio-mlot: virtualization like kvm/virtualbox helps for those stingy windows apps that someone always needs [01:35] lol [01:35] those stingy apps for sure [01:36] we have begun moving most apps to the cloud in anticipation on moving more to ubuntu [01:36] interesting [01:36] Excellent. Any use of juju, ohio-mlot? [01:37] no, but interested in it [01:37] skellat: do you want to write-up the meeting again and send a mail to the ml? [01:37] Yep. Write-up goes out tomorrow. [01:37] Shall we meet in January? [01:38] skellat: cool [01:38] yep, we'll figure out a date later, but we should definately send a mail sooner than this one [01:39] um, one last thought? [01:39] Yes? [01:39] since we are so spread out, do you think it would be worthwhile to try to do a focused chat on a topic of interest prior to/during the next meeting? [01:39] I know a lot of people aren't in IRC all the time [01:39] :-) [01:40] drkokandy: which topic are you interested in? [01:40] so having the chance to have a virtual discussion on an interesting topic might be more exciting than simply a business meeting - might draw some new people/people who weren't able to make today [01:40] I didn't have a topic in mind, really - I'm flexible and still pretty new to things [01:41] maybe something on Ubuntu for businesses like ohio-mlot was asking about? [01:41] drkokandy: seems like something worth trying. not sure what topic would be of strong interest. maybe a "newbie" help session or getting started or something [01:41] drkokandy: or that [01:42] Well, I'm doing a shortwave broadcast on WBCQ on New Year's Eve. I can see if we can get Jorge Castro around to talk about Juju perhaps. [01:42] I am interested in learning more about developing applications for Ubuntu but I am not sure if anyone here has development backgrounds? [01:42] and for convenience, my idea was the same night as the meeting - maybe before or so? [01:42] drkokandy: we'd need to get a volunteer interested in leading the discussion on whatever topic taht's decided [01:42] oh, that's cool too [01:42] speaking of professionals speaking: http://ow.ly/fUX5s My work is doing a webinar next week :) [01:42] it's about Analyzing malware in memory [01:42] :) [01:42] bamoore: check out quickly [01:43] gilbert: ok, will do. Thanks! [01:44] anyway, gotta run. good meeting! [01:44] and welcome to the new guys again! [01:45] thank you [01:45] Goodnight gilbert. Cheri703, shall I work with you to arrange a non-business topical meeting some time in January? [01:45] Thanks [01:45] Cheri703: maybe we could use something like the poll you made to identify times to pick between these ideas for the chat? [01:45] sounds good skellat [01:45] gonna head out myself...hobbit tomorrow :-) [01:45] yeah, we can do something similar I think drkokandy [01:45] enjoy ohio-mlot - thanks for joining us [01:45] Okay, that's my work item until the next business meeting. [01:46] And posting minutes to the Planet [01:47] So, Cheri703, what topics would be interesting to have pop up at a topical? [01:48] I have no idea [01:49] sorry, my parents called and needed help picking something to watch on netflix -_- [01:49] but really, I have no idea what topic should be covered [01:49] Okay [01:49] Something to think about. [01:50] I better run off and get ready for Person of Interest on CBS. Should be interesting tonight. [01:50] Goodnight Cheri703. [01:50] night [01:52] I am going to hop off as well. Thank you for the warm welcome. [01:52] sure! come back any time :)' [01:56] And now I'm here. :P [01:57] welcome back Unit193 :) [01:57] Clearly I'm just on time as well. [02:05] whoops [02:31] drkokandy: how are you liking quassel? [02:32] So far, I like it Cheri703 - but for the first time today it's starting to give me a problem on one other IRC server [02:32] which makes me think it's not Quassel but most likely my ISP [02:32] yeah? [02:32] ah, possible [02:33] Try irssi. [02:33] :D [02:33] pfft [02:33] but I like that I have the quasselcore running on my server [02:33] and this on my client [02:33] Er... this client on this PC [02:33] yeah, I like the gui stuff [02:33] vs the command line things. I like my notifications :) [02:34] I get the PMs/highlights messages in notifications. [02:34] irssi isn't running locally. [02:42] I like the way Quassel looks/works and that I can get back to my current session from my phone [02:42] lets me log in from work with no problem :) [02:42] yeah, the phone bit is super handy :) [02:42] I like the dark theme [03:10] drkokandy: Where can I find more on that feature? [03:14] hang on just a minute rrittenhouse [03:14] rrittenhouse: the "access from phone"? [03:14] here's some info on the core/client setup: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/wiki [03:15] and quasseldroid is the app for android :D [03:15] from the ubuntu repos, just install the package quasselcore [03:15] well, quasselcore on the server [03:15] quasselclient on the client [03:15] yup [03:15] and I configured the core from my first client [03:16] neat :) thanks [03:16] * Cheri703 lurves it [03:16] I've been out of Ubuntu most of the time ever since I took my new job (2.5 years ago) :x just trying to play catch up. haha. [03:16] I found out about it from Cheri703 lol [03:17] haha. I'm checking that out. [03:17] I think it's available in most distros' repos, and they even make compiled versions available for Android (Quasseldroid), Windows and Mac [03:17] yeah, I have quassel client on my work computer, running mac os x [03:18] ALL the devices can run it, except my rooted nook :/ it errors out, I'm a bit bummed on that one [03:18] aw [03:18] but I guess you can't fault them too much on that :-) [03:18] IRC ALL THE THINGS [03:18] but my plan was foiled :/ [03:18] lol [03:18] it's because it's running older android. I could probably find an old version of quasseldroid, but not worth the effort [03:22] Heh. I keep seeing that meme but I don't know where it started. The only thing that comes to mind is Dual Core's "Hack All The things". [03:22] I'm going to get disconnected [03:23] see you all in a bit [03:23] it's from hyperbole and a half! I'll link, one sec [03:23] drkokandy has packet loss esp [03:23] LOVE LOVE LOVE this site: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/06/this-is-why-ill-never-be-adult.html [03:23] that's where "x all the y" came from [03:23] (and it is oh so true in so many ways) [03:25] oooh :) [03:26] Neat. I'm learning all kinds of stuff tonight. Now if one could explain why I bought this lenovo u410 mess.... [03:26] you're on your own there [03:26] ideapad u410* [03:26] LOL [03:26] I've sent one back to cdwg already [03:27] This one is heading back as soon as I can find one to replace it with. It makes me feel iffy about even trying a thinkpad [03:27] I'd been eyeing a thinkpad, but then my work sent me a macbook air that I didn't know was coming, so I'm holding off buying my own :) === drkokandy_ is now known as drkokandy [03:28] Ah. Yeah this is for work, actually. Ive thought about looking at the macbook air... [03:28] (I've had it for a few months now, it's still a bit of a "wooo, don't need to go spend ~$1000 of my own money on a computer! \o/" thing) [03:29] the mba is not bad, hardware is amazing, os x is...eh [03:29] I had an older white macbook and they just didn't want to get another one...ugh [03:29] right. [03:29] I have ubuntu in a vm on it because I need to use office and such [03:30] that's a nice present [03:31] I hate my ISP :-/ [03:31] I mean all I ever "use" it for is to configure cisco gear in a dark corner somewhere but i'm trying to use it to get my feet back into Ubuntu on a daily basis and to do my .net development for work. [03:34] drkokandy: who do you use? [03:34] Armstrong Cable is the only one available in Ashland - they've got a lock on the town [03:35] drkokandy: technically it's "company property" but...yeah, I got hired on, and they were like "what's your shipping address to send the laptop?" I literally replied with "laptop...?" and found out about it :) [03:35] that's terrible [03:35] not even time warner/roadrunner? [03:35] not to my knowledge [03:35] what's the zip there? [03:35] 44805 [03:41] even if it's company property, I'm sure your Macbook Air is much better than the Dell Dime-a-dozen Made-for-XP computer I have at work :( [03:42] :/ yeah, I'm not a fan of dells [03:42] They are trying to order a dell for me when I return this one.... i'm GOOD! [03:43] heh [03:43] By this one I am referring to the crappy ideapad u410 [03:44] perhaps try to convince them to hook you up with a system76? [03:44] The computer I'm on right now is a Dell too though I guess :) But it's one of the XPS ones... Got it in 2007... replaced and upgraded a few components inside, and it's great still... [03:44] I'm going to try to visit their offices when I'm in CO next month :) [03:44] ooh system 76 [03:44] that's good drkokandy! I've had bad luck with dell, as have my clients >_> [03:45] it was going crazy for a bit... but that was the cheap video card's fault [03:45] put a nice one in there, and now it does games much better [03:45] :) [03:45] I was looking at them today. I'm going to ask if its possible since the PO was for something from CDWg [03:47] maybe you could talk them into that new dell sputnik or whatever [03:48] it's $1449 though... an Air would be cheaper... http://www.dell.com/us/soho/p/xps-13-linux/pd.aspx [03:48] or several of System 76's laptops [03:48] ah, I didn't look at prices [03:49] if you buy now, it ships.... December 26. whoops. [03:52] doesn't matter when it comes if it's a christmas present to yourself! [03:53] hehe [03:53] the "build a death star" petition on whitehouse.gov cleared the threshold for an official response from President Obama: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/build-death-star-petition-clears-threshold-obama-response-185314096--politics.html?ugc_c=5yIGJ_D12QB9STLwN0d6alLkrqMe_szI8FHjWS6848Lh3WDAzTNxFAaiweOxJFL4BHogzL1Z8Uie5LtTXTUYKbUSHeHh4F6d1QMHoknwbyi0KXJab6nu35Y2zVEkenlUVKmHYVKB.uQC5QgjyvFen4dRp3XztzEX0ZPGGCr8SqzcAsTWUykhra6kppnQ2C4G9ji. [03:53] J6cMmt5VsQnGdemcQ6f2JWXJWi2wOnbX2jj8280PSCFOpG9BRWkoN_KKUMTo0c8-&bcnv_s=e&ugc_scnv=1&ll=2 [03:53] brb taking the dogs for a walk and looking for meteors. [03:54] :) [03:54] oh boy [03:54] saw some earlier [03:54] well, technically they'll pick and choose which get a response, but...still [03:56] why would I not be able to reach a domain from my landline, but I can from my phone? Either my DNS is misconfigured or it's blocked at the router or at my ISP, right? Any other possibilities? It fails to connect on Windows or Ubuntu [03:56] *landline - land internet [03:57] are you using your ISP's DNS server? [03:57] no, openDNS [03:58] I restarted my cable modem [03:58] could be openDNS then? [03:58] I might try restarting my router [03:58] try changing it to 8.8.8.8 that's google's public dns [03:58] see what happens [03:58] the IP address failed to connect too, though [03:58] hmm...k [03:59] it's not a controversial website... [03:59] still [03:59] worth a shot [04:00] if you connect your phone to the home internet (assuming you have wifi) what happens when you try? [04:03] then it fails on my phone too :( [04:03] ok, so it's for sure something about home network [04:03] yup [04:03] I'm gonna try restarting my router [04:03] if you connect your computer directly to the modem (bypassing router) what happens? [04:04] that'll take a minute [04:11] Cheri703: that's when you realize the only ethernet cable that's not tied down doesn't work lol [04:11] hehe [04:12] pull the one that goes from modem > router? [04:12] also tied down [04:12] I'll just try restarting it [04:12] how important is this website? [04:12] not important [04:12] can you put your laptop where the router is and plug it in there? [04:12] well... perse [04:14] it's not important - it's just twit.tv - I noticed I kept timing out from their IRC... and then I realized I couldn't get their live feed, although I did manage to get into their web IRC somehow, but then nothing else worked... and now that won't work either [04:14] lol [04:15] heh [04:15] * Cheri703 can reach it :) [04:16] I got there on my phone too, so I know it's not the site [04:16] * Cheri703 was just rubbing it in that her internet is better [04:16] ;) [04:16] ouch [04:16] :D [04:16] the router to modem cable is tied down twice... so it's not worth undoing at 11PM lol [04:17] I'll try rebooting the router and see if that does anything [04:17] * Cheri703 has a drawer full of ethernet cables [04:17] if not, I'll try hooking it directly in tomorrow [04:17] good luck :) [04:17] I thought it would be a great idea to use binder clips and cable ties to make my network look less like a cobweb [04:17] * drkokandy regrets it [04:17] I like velcro ties [04:18] You know, I actually have 2 ethernet cables in the mail that should arrive tomorrow [04:18] Might be saved [04:18] :) [04:18] I have a couple of velcro ties, but not enough to use just those. that would be nice though [04:19] one sec [04:19] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001E1Y5O6/ref=wms_ohs_product [04:19] SO USEFUL for so many things [04:19] I use them on my ankles to keep my pants out of my chain :) [04:20] they're a similar price at lowe's/home depot and such [04:20] oh wow [04:20] 100? [04:20] I live right behind a Home Depot [04:21] yeah :D last time I got 50 and ran out eventually [04:21] I'm gonna get some. Thanks Cheri703 :) [04:21] various ones disappearing, putting them on client computers cords, etc [04:21] sure :) [04:23] Whee.. nothing like an emergency server migration as soon as you get home. [04:23] hehe [04:23] (iLO is amazing...) [04:27] iLO? === drkokandy_ is now known as drkokandy [04:31] back.. [04:32] wb rrittenhouse [04:32] see any meteors? [04:32] only saw 2 [04:32] and its way too cold out there to be out too long with what I was wearing haha [04:34] lol that's enough meteors then [04:35] hehe [04:35] so when I try pinging that domain I get 74% packet loss with times like 448ms to 7870ms O.O [04:35] but it's just that domain [04:35] geez [04:35] this is crazy [04:35] yeah, next step is to bypass router and see what happens [04:35] then you know whether to dig into your settings or call your ISP [04:36] and that will have to wait until tomorrow :-/ [04:36] thanks for your help! [04:36] yeah :/ [04:36] sure! [04:44] Cheri703: So what kinds of things is this group doing these days? I haven't been around much since it was first started; when Stepen Stalcup was running it. [04:44] right now we're sort of trying to figure out what we'll be doing [04:44] things have stagnated since we're SO spread out [04:45] Ah. Yeah I met a few of you a couple of years ago when Jono came to OLF. [04:46] ok, it's been a few years. lol [04:48] So, with it all being spread out i'm assuming its just been hard to have many face-to-face meetings? I do recall there were some folks hanging out at panera in easton that were in this group. [04:48] yeah [04:49] we try to have ubuntu hours in various regional areas, but...there's 2-3 of us in mansfield, not sure how many in cbus these days, not many in cle, etc [04:49] I'm about 30 minutes away from Easton in Newark, Ohio. [04:49] gotcha [04:49] I used to live in cbus, now mansfield [04:49]