[02:59] <MutantTurkey> wohoo scraped a A in my CIS class :-)
[03:19] <ChinnoDog> \o/
[03:22] <jthan> Good work.
[03:22] <MutantTurkey> :)
[03:22]  * jthan is sitting at a 3.9 
[03:22] <jthan> I'm pretty excited
[03:22] <jthan> So many sleepless nights
[03:26] <MutantTurkey> nice
[03:26] <MutantTurkey> where are you going to school?
[03:47] <jthan> University of Colorado Boulder
[03:57] <MutantTurkey> nice
[03:57] <MutantTurkey> How do I reference a page number without pages?
[03:57] <MutantTurkey> do  I just not do it?
[04:03] <jthan> A page number without pages?
[04:06] <MutantTurkey> I mean usually for inline refrences you should put page numbers, I have an article without pages.
[04:06] <MutantTurkey> page numbers'
[04:06] <MutantTurkey> so do I just not put any numbers, count by paragraphs... idk!
[04:11] <jthan> If it's from an online source / database you don't use page numbers anyhow
[04:11] <jthan> only print articles
[04:11] <MutantTurkey> ah ok!
[04:57] <MutantTurkey> windows 2007 + wine is working great!
[04:57] <MutantTurkey> especially since loffice lacks good footnotes and references
[10:16] <rmg51> Morning
[12:08] <InHisName> Morning rmg51 & ted<tab> and waltman and JonathanD
[12:09] <waltman> morning
[12:12] <JonathanD> hi InHisName
[13:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[14:33] <InHisName> Hello, teddy-dbear
[14:34] <teddy-dbear> o/
[16:12] <MutantTurkey> could we have a class action lawsuit against septa for being age-ist?
[16:12] <MutantTurkey> I mean the train tickets are 1 dollar for seniors, and this is a public service
[16:12] <MutantTurkey> 1 dollar for regional rail, most of the stuff is free
[16:12] <MutantTurkey> I am shelling out 150 bucks a month and i am a student
[16:13] <MutantTurkey> old people have a much higher household value than me, surely I deserve $1 tickets
[16:17] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: nope
[16:17] <MutantTurkey> why not?
[16:17] <JonathanD> Because it's legal.
[16:17] <MutantTurkey> right - but why?
[16:17] <JonathanD> Just like all other senior discounts, at restaurants, etc.
[16:17] <ChinnoDog> Unfortunately the process for changing government processes in this country usually involves protests and refusal to pay the fare rather than law suits. The latter would be a lot less risky though.
[16:17] <MutantTurkey> this is a public service
[16:18] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: it's a public service and a 10% discout is different than free
[16:18] <JonathanD> I'm not sure it being a public service matters.
[16:19] <JonathanD> You could argue that it's "ageist" that you can't collect social security at 20, too.
[16:19] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: that aside, many seniors can't drive, or can't safely drive.
[16:20] <MutantTurkey> neither can many teenagers!
[16:20] <JonathanD> I'd rather they get free transit than run a stop sign and hit me :P
[16:20] <MutantTurkey> i don't understand why they get such a discount though
[16:20] <MutantTurkey> its basically free
[16:22] <JonathanD> It's intended to provide a service to a class of people on limited income, who may have a particular need of it.
[16:23] <MutantTurkey> like college kids?
[16:24] <MutantTurkey> thats the thing, old people have more money then young people, but we pay the same as full time working adults
[16:24] <JonathanD> If your argument is that it's unfair that seniors get a discount and college kids don't, perhaps you should be asking why you don't get one, not why they do.
[16:24] <MutantTurkey> i would prefer they didn't
[16:24] <JonathanD> Personally, I think all septa fairs should be lower than they are.
[16:24] <MutantTurkey> but yeah maybe I should approach it that way
[16:24] <MutantTurkey> esp regional rail...
[16:25] <JonathanD> esp regional, yes.
[16:25] <MutantTurkey> lower costs = increased ridership = lower road costs and traveling and lower accident rates and lowr everything
[16:25] <JonathanD> I'd rather take the train to the city.
[16:25] <JonathanD> But not when it's all four of us.
[16:25] <JonathanD> Just gets too expensive.
[16:25] <MutantTurkey> family pass is like 30 bucks
[16:26] <JonathanD> Can you get those at stations?
[16:26] <JonathanD> or only online?
[16:27] <MutantTurkey> stations I  think
[16:27] <MutantTurkey> it's like an independence pass
[16:27] <MutantTurkey> but you need to have only 2 adults
[16:27] <MutantTurkey> its a family independent pass basically
[16:32] <ChinnoDog> I agree with MutantTurkey that if the principle is giving lower fares to people with lower incomes that it makes sense to discount it for college kids. I think that there are less discounts for college kids than seniors in general because there is an assumption that they can draw money from their parents.
[16:34] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: thats probably the base reasoning, yes.
[16:35] <ChinnoDog> There should be a discount for college kids that are not dependents.
[16:44] <ChinnoDog> Of course, that may no longer apply to MutantTurkey
[16:46] <MutantTurkey> no there should be for all college kids
[16:46] <MutantTurkey> so do we not give discounts from seniors who receive money or housing from their children?
[16:46] <MutantTurkey> it would also encourage less students to drive to temple
[16:47] <MutantTurkey> I am dependent on my parents but thry don't pay for my septa pass
[16:50] <ChinnoDog> If you are a dependent then they pay more than 50% of your expenses
[16:50] <ChinnoDog> Just because you decide how to spend it doesn't mean they didn't pay for it
[16:59] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: you realize that money to run septa doesn't just come out of thin air right? it just means that JonathanD pays for your septa pass
[17:00] <pleia2> "it's not fair" isn't a very compelling reason to raise taxes ;)
[17:09] <jedijf> the senior age should change based on the increase of life expectancy - in conjunction with it - aarp membership should start later etc
[17:10] <jedijf> discounts should start /closer/ to death
[17:11] <jedijf> like they keep moving the social security ages - some of you young ones won't be eligible until 80's
[17:11] <ChinnoDog> Don't burst my bubble jedijf. I still want to retire by 65
[17:11] <jedijf> is /85/ still even the number
[17:12] <jedijf> s/85/65
[17:12] <ChinnoDog> idk :-(
[17:12] <jedijf> i thought it jumped to 67
[17:12] <jedijf> who knows
[17:13] <jedijf> old is good - means not dead - what other bonuses should you get
[17:13] <jedijf> that should be enough
[17:23] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: of course I realize that
[17:23] <MutantTurkey> then why should we pay for those seniors?
[17:23] <MutantTurkey> it raises costs for me!
[17:23] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: I doubt I will receive an equal amount of money that I have put into social security
[17:45] <pleia2> oh I see, you're actually saying no one should get a break, not that you should get one
[18:21] <ChinnoDog> /buffer 15
[18:21] <ChinnoDog> sigh
[18:49] <Samuraialba> Good bacon to all!
[18:54] <waltman> Samuraialba: I had candied bacon yesterday!
[18:55] <Samuraialba> Nice
[18:55] <Samuraialba> I need to get a cisco switch or 3...
[18:55] <Samuraialba> Just got a 91% on my Cisco Routing Final
[20:01] <TheLordOfTime> nice.
[20:14] <InHisName> school final ?
[20:21] <Samuraialba> school final
[20:21] <Samuraialba> :)
[20:42] <InHisName> Way to Ace it, Samuraialba
[20:46] <Samuraialba> danke
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> Samuraialba: nice job dude
[23:03] <Samuraialba> thankies :)