[02:59] wohoo scraped a A in my CIS class :-) [03:19] \o/ [03:22] Good work. [03:22] :) [03:22] * jthan is sitting at a 3.9 [03:22] I'm pretty excited [03:22] So many sleepless nights [03:26] nice [03:26] where are you going to school? [03:47] University of Colorado Boulder [03:57] nice [03:57] How do I reference a page number without pages? [03:57] do I just not do it? [04:03] A page number without pages? [04:06] I mean usually for inline refrences you should put page numbers, I have an article without pages. [04:06] page numbers' [04:06] so do I just not put any numbers, count by paragraphs... idk! [04:11] If it's from an online source / database you don't use page numbers anyhow [04:11] only print articles [04:11] ah ok! [04:57] windows 2007 + wine is working great! [04:57] especially since loffice lacks good footnotes and references [10:16] Morning [12:08] Morning rmg51 & ted and waltman and JonathanD [12:09] morning [12:12] hi InHisName [13:10] Morning peoples [14:33] Hello, teddy-dbear [14:34] o/ [16:12] could we have a class action lawsuit against septa for being age-ist? [16:12] I mean the train tickets are 1 dollar for seniors, and this is a public service [16:12] 1 dollar for regional rail, most of the stuff is free [16:12] I am shelling out 150 bucks a month and i am a student [16:13] old people have a much higher household value than me, surely I deserve $1 tickets [16:17] MutantTurkey: nope [16:17] why not? [16:17] Because it's legal. [16:17] right - but why? [16:17] Just like all other senior discounts, at restaurants, etc. [16:17] Unfortunately the process for changing government processes in this country usually involves protests and refusal to pay the fare rather than law suits. The latter would be a lot less risky though. [16:17] this is a public service [16:18] JonathanD: it's a public service and a 10% discout is different than free [16:18] I'm not sure it being a public service matters. [16:19] You could argue that it's "ageist" that you can't collect social security at 20, too. [16:19] MutantTurkey: that aside, many seniors can't drive, or can't safely drive. [16:20] neither can many teenagers! [16:20] I'd rather they get free transit than run a stop sign and hit me :P [16:20] i don't understand why they get such a discount though [16:20] its basically free [16:22] It's intended to provide a service to a class of people on limited income, who may have a particular need of it. [16:23] like college kids? [16:24] thats the thing, old people have more money then young people, but we pay the same as full time working adults [16:24] If your argument is that it's unfair that seniors get a discount and college kids don't, perhaps you should be asking why you don't get one, not why they do. [16:24] i would prefer they didn't [16:24] Personally, I think all septa fairs should be lower than they are. [16:24] but yeah maybe I should approach it that way [16:24] esp regional rail... [16:25] esp regional, yes. [16:25] lower costs = increased ridership = lower road costs and traveling and lower accident rates and lowr everything [16:25] I'd rather take the train to the city. [16:25] But not when it's all four of us. [16:25] Just gets too expensive. [16:25] family pass is like 30 bucks [16:26] Can you get those at stations? [16:26] or only online? [16:27] stations I think [16:27] it's like an independence pass [16:27] but you need to have only 2 adults [16:27] its a family independent pass basically [16:32] I agree with MutantTurkey that if the principle is giving lower fares to people with lower incomes that it makes sense to discount it for college kids. I think that there are less discounts for college kids than seniors in general because there is an assumption that they can draw money from their parents. [16:34] ChinnoDog: thats probably the base reasoning, yes. [16:35] There should be a discount for college kids that are not dependents. [16:44] Of course, that may no longer apply to MutantTurkey [16:46] no there should be for all college kids [16:46] so do we not give discounts from seniors who receive money or housing from their children? [16:46] it would also encourage less students to drive to temple [16:47] I am dependent on my parents but thry don't pay for my septa pass [16:50] If you are a dependent then they pay more than 50% of your expenses [16:50] Just because you decide how to spend it doesn't mean they didn't pay for it [16:59] MutantTurkey: you realize that money to run septa doesn't just come out of thin air right? it just means that JonathanD pays for your septa pass [17:00] "it's not fair" isn't a very compelling reason to raise taxes ;) [17:09] the senior age should change based on the increase of life expectancy - in conjunction with it - aarp membership should start later etc [17:10] discounts should start /closer/ to death [17:11] like they keep moving the social security ages - some of you young ones won't be eligible until 80's [17:11] Don't burst my bubble jedijf. I still want to retire by 65 [17:11] is /85/ still even the number [17:12] s/85/65 [17:12] idk :-( [17:12] i thought it jumped to 67 [17:12] who knows [17:13] old is good - means not dead - what other bonuses should you get [17:13] that should be enough [17:23] pleia2: of course I realize that [17:23] then why should we pay for those seniors? [17:23] it raises costs for me! [17:23] jedijf: I doubt I will receive an equal amount of money that I have put into social security [17:45] oh I see, you're actually saying no one should get a break, not that you should get one [18:21] /buffer 15 [18:21] sigh [18:49] Good bacon to all! [18:54] Samuraialba: I had candied bacon yesterday! [18:55] Nice [18:55] I need to get a cisco switch or 3... [18:55] Just got a 91% on my Cisco Routing Final [20:01] nice. [20:14] school final ? [20:21] school final [20:21] :) [20:42] Way to Ace it, Samuraialba [20:46] danke [21:30] Samuraialba: nice job dude [23:03] thankies :)