[03:33] <Namor> rrr
[06:55] <MartijnVdS> rrr?
[09:47] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: form of greeting, obviously
[10:11] <Myrtti> urrur
[10:17] <dw4tkins> ug
[10:33] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone.
[10:39] <popey> yo
[10:41] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:47] <popey> who was it here who was playing with one of those eco buttons?
[10:47] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ecobutton-PC-Energy-Saving-Device/dp/B001FA6TR2/
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> isn't that just a "keyboard" with just one key: suspend?
[10:53] <popey> yeah
[10:53] <popey> marxjohn1on, was looking for a usb button which could be mapped to acpi shutdown
[10:53] <popey> i figured you could map that to anything
[10:59] <dwatkins> I've been looking into X10 power controllers, perhaps I should also setup some kind of remote shutdown system to go with it, popey.
[11:00] <brobostigon> question, how do i power a raspberry pi, from a normal power socket?
[11:00] <dwatkins> brobostigon: I use a Tomtom power supply or a dedicated 5V to MicroUSB adapter.
[11:01] <dwatkins> My TV seems to put out enough current, but when it goes into power save mode, the USB power gets switched off unfortunately. Similar trouble with a 7-port Belkin USB port.
[11:01] <dwatkins> s/port/hub/
[11:02] <brobostigon> dwatkins: ah, ok. i will have to look at an adaptor i think, something similer.
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: the latest Arduinos can do USB-HID easily
[11:02] <dwatkins> brobostigon: there's a site which sells them fairly cheaply in the uk...
[11:03] <popey> brobostigon, i just use any old usb PSU
[11:03] <popey> i have a few old ones
[11:03] <brobostigon> popey: ah, another interesting idea.
[11:04] <popey> there's got to be a market for a little usb switch
[11:04] <popey> just a usb connector with a button on it, like a yubikey but smaller
[11:11] <dwatkins> brobostigon: this is where I got mine: http://thepihut.com/products/micro-usb-power-supply-for-the-raspberry-pi
[11:12] <dwatkins> I think it's rated at 1 Amp, which should be plenty for the Pi and a couple directly-attached USB devices, so long as they don't draw too much current. Should include wifi adapters.
[11:15] <brobostigon> dwatkins: i am just trying to calculate that. thank you.
[11:16] <dwatkins> I didn't know there was a way to calculate it.
[11:18] <brobostigon> dwatkins: no, how much power things like wifi adaptors, might need.
[11:18] <dwatkins> ahh yes, my Pi takes 3 Watts according to my mains power measuring device, but that's so low it may be inaccurate.
[11:19] <brobostigon> ah.
[11:20] <dwatkins> I've been looking into solar power using Adafruit's charging circuit and a LiPoly battery not sure we get enough sun here in Edinburgh.
[11:21] <brobostigon> cool idea.
[11:22] <dwatkins> oh something like this: http://cgi.cottonpickers.plus.com/~cottonpickers/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7#p7
[11:22] <dwatkins> s/oh/or/
[11:23] <dwatkins> Next step is to make a USB power measurement device with analog panel meters, just to show it nice and visually.
[11:23] <brobostigon> :)
[12:05] <popey> hmm, i broke lighttpd on ubuntu-uk.org
[12:06] <brobostigon> :(
[12:07]  * popey unbreaks
[12:08] <brobostigon> :D
[12:48] <ali1234> what's the law on circumvention devices in the UK these days?
[12:50] <AlanBell> if they are sold by a multinational then it is completely fine
[12:51] <ali1234> such as?
[12:52] <AlanBell> such as using itunes to copy a CD to your idevice
[12:52] <ali1234> ok, that's a rather grey area though
[12:53] <ali1234> i'm talking about hardware, eg modchips, dongle clones etc
[12:56] <AlanBell> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/298 is what we have
[12:57] <AlanBell> there is an EU directive about anti-circumvention, but we didn't add a law to implement it because section 298 of the copyright act was considered sufficient as I understand it
[12:57] <ali1234> no, not transmissions
[12:57] <AlanBell> 1(b)
[12:57] <AlanBell> 2(b) rather
[12:57] <dwatkins> Game consoles?
[12:58] <ali1234> game consoles and software protection dongles
[12:58] <dwatkins> 'Section 296ZB of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (CDPA) makes it a criminal offence to sell or distribute "any device, product or component which is primarily designed, produce, or adapted for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the circumvention of effective technological measures"'
[12:58] <AlanBell> http://www.out-law.com/page-8701
[12:58] <dwatkins> source: http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/JasPurewal/20100111/4075/Are_Modchips_Illegal.php
[12:58] <ali1234> like keylok
[12:59] <AlanBell> http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/section/296 then
[13:00] <ali1234> hmm
[13:01] <ali1234> so my reading of that is that if i own a piece of software protected by a hardware dongle, and i circumvent that protection for the purpose of convenience (not needing the dongle) then that's not illegal
[13:01] <ali1234> at least not under that law
[13:02] <AlanBell> indeed, but the person who sold the dongle may be liable for something
[13:02] <AlanBell> if he/she expected you to use it illegally
[13:02] <ali1234> not if i make it myself
[13:03] <AlanBell> that looks fine, as long as you don't publish instructions for others to follow
[13:03] <dwatkins> the manufacturer may try to take you to court, but if they don't know their dongle has been cloned, I can't see how.
[13:03] <ali1234> section 4 may make it illegal actually
[13:05] <ali1234> i know the EU directive does make this illegal since there's no requirement for distribution or commercial purposes
[13:05] <AlanBell> no because it doesn't apply
[13:05] <ali1234> s/does/would/
[13:05] <AlanBell> the EU directive applies to our government
[13:06] <AlanBell> they tell us that we need to make a law that implements a set of rules
[13:06] <AlanBell> the government then makes a law or says "done it already" and that law applies to people in the member state
[13:15] <ali1234> on a related note, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1073089
[14:19] <cliftonts> hi guys
[14:20] <cliftonts> I spoke to someone on here some time ago about bitcoin but I can't remember who it was. Anyone know anything about it?
[14:41] <popey> cliftonts, probably Azelphur or ali1234
[14:43]  * Azelphur knows about bitcoin :p
[14:43] <cliftonts> Cool, I'm rather confused about this whole anonymity thing
[14:43] <Azelphur> thinking of buying this tv btw, thoughts? http://www.ebuyer.com/389620-furrion-55-full-hd-1080p-led-tv-freeview-black-fefs55l1d#product-description :)
[14:44] <Azelphur> cliftonts: anything specific?
[14:44] <cliftonts> if bitcoin has no idea who I am and I wipe my hard disk how do I access any cash I've been sent again?
[14:45] <Azelphur> you make a backup of your wallet.dat, or you don't access your cash again :P
[14:45] <cliftonts> that doesn't sound like a very sturdy system to me
[14:46] <Azelphur> think of it like a physical wallet
[14:46] <Azelphur> if you loose your wallet, it's gone
[14:46] <Azelphur> you should make safeguards to be sure you don't loose it (backups)
[14:46] <cliftonts> I'm thinking about all the idiots in the world who have a hard time not losing a word document let alone a wallet file!!
[14:47] <Azelphur> yep
[14:47] <Azelphur> same people can't keep passwords, email addresses, etc
[14:47] <Azelphur> can't fix stupid :P
[14:47] <cliftonts> I'm intrigued though
[14:48] <cliftonts> very true
[14:49] <cliftonts> I've tried to use it but it's been syncing with the network for about an eon now
[14:49] <Azelphur> cliftonts: might not wanna use the standard client, it has a number of shortfalls :)
[14:50] <Azelphur> I prefer electrum
[14:50] <cliftonts> I wasn't aware there were any others
[14:50] <Azelphur> http://electrum.ecdsa.org/
[14:52] <Azelphur> I like it because it's fast and lightweight, no sync time at all
[14:52] <Azelphur> and it uses a special way of generating addresses such that you only have to take note of a special passphrase to restore your wallet
[14:53] <cliftonts> I'll take a peek
[14:54] <cliftonts> I tried installing the ubuntu version and got wget: unable to resolve host address `apt.bitcoins.sk'
[14:54] <Azelphur> yea, their repo has never worked, use the pip install
[14:55] <cliftonts> ok
[14:56] <cliftonts> actually it seems to have worked second time around
[14:56] <cliftonts> My internet connection is very iffy
[14:56] <Azelphur> haha fun
[14:56] <Azelphur> what version is packaged?
[14:57] <cliftonts> Is I don't know the right answer? lol
[14:57] <cliftonts> I haven't got as far as installing yet, just setting up the PPA
[14:57] <Azelphur> ah
[14:59] <cliftonts> and apt-get update is now taking forever
[14:59] <cliftonts> I'm borrowing fire optic from a friend who lives across the road. I get an amazing 1mb which cuts out often
[14:59] <Azelphur> you need a cantenna :P
[15:00] <cliftonts> I know. I'm not sure how I'd rig one up to a laptop though
[15:01] <Azelphur> http://www.instructables.com/id/Fast-Cheap-and-Easy-Wifi-Cantenna/
[15:01] <Azelphur> if you've got a pringles or similar can, it's even better (the longer, the more directional and thus better signal)
[15:02] <cliftonts> Now that is genius! All the designs I've seen are so complicated
[15:02] <Azelphur> :)
[15:04] <cliftonts> Ok, it's failed to find electrum even after all that. Pip install it is!
[15:04] <Azelphur> yep haha
[15:05] <cliftonts> If I build one of those cantennas I should be able to download the entire internet in no time! The connection is lightning fast
[15:06] <cliftonts> Shame I don't actually have a usb wifi card really
[15:06] <Azelphur> :D
[15:06] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:06] <Azelphur> ebay has em dirt cheap
[15:06] <cliftonts> I am poor
[15:06] <cliftonts> my car ate all my money when it broke down and now I have £7 to pay for £3.60 a day bus fare and food for the week
[15:07] <Azelphur> :(
[15:08] <cliftonts> exactly
[15:10] <dogmatic69> cliftonts: time to put those two poles extending from the torso to good use?
[15:10] <cliftonts> All set up and running. Anyone care to donate a few bitcoins so I can build a cantenna? lol
[15:11] <cliftonts> dogmatic69: to get to work on Monday on time I'd have to start walking now!!
[15:11] <dogmatic69> off you go :P
[15:11] <cliftonts> Luckily I get the car back on Monday evening
[15:11] <Azelphur> cliftonts: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-150Mbps-Mini-USB-WiFi-Wireless-Adapter-150M-Network-LAN-Card-802-11n-g-b-/140843453891?pt=UK_Computing_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item20caec8dc3
[15:12] <Azelphur> I wasn't kidding when I said ebay has them cheap :P
[15:12] <Azelphur> (note that'll take like a month to get to UK most likely)
[15:12] <cliftonts> most likely. But there are enough flooding the second hand market. I can probably get one off freecycle
[15:13] <Azelphur> true :P
[15:13] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: cliftonts: few pennies more, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-150Mbps-Mini-USB-WiFi-Wireless-Adapter-150M-Network-LAN-Card-802-11n-g-b-UK-/370569077102?pt=UK_Computing_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item5647a3616e
[15:13] <dogmatic69> second class, less than a week I would guess
[15:13] <Azelphur> oO
[15:14] <dogmatic69> before xmas delivery atm
[15:14] <cliftonts> I'm not too fussed anyway. It does work and I can get my emails. So speeding it up isn't exactly a priority.
[15:14] <cliftonts> I'll treat myself on payday probably (Friday)
[15:23] <cliftonts> Anyway I should get back to work. Thanks for clearing things up for me
[15:39] <ali1234> i've got one of those mini N150 usb dongles they are rubbish
[15:39] <ali1234> it can't even get a signal through 1 wall
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that's physics for you
[15:42] <ali1234> yeah tiny antenna
[15:42] <ali1234> if you put it inside a wave guide it would probably be about as good as just getting a normal sized usb wifi
[15:47] <Neoti_Desktop>  Hi All, hows people... i have a question about releasing software under GPL... i have writen some software to ping telephone numbers and tell you if the number is live or not, my inital testing code i want to release as open source code which is version 1.0.1, im now on version 1.2.1 and would like to release the inital code as open source under GPL... can i do this ?
[15:47] <Neoti_Desktop> from version 1.0.5 i made the software paid for....
[15:50] <ali1234> Neoti_Desktop: if you hold the copyright on all the code then you can do whatever you want with it basically
[16:01] <Neoti_Desktop> excellent.... so i can release the early code i used, which is totally differant to the paid version as open source and have a paid for version ?
[16:02] <Neoti_Desktop> if so thats my contribution back to the open source community handled... :) my software runs on ubuntu 12.04LTS server with asterisk... so if i can release "my" code under GPL thats excellent!!!!!
[16:21] <ali1234> http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/7/846939854148090292/
[16:22] <ali1234> does Unity do something special with the GenericName field that caused valve to think that would be a good idea?
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it shows the GenericName if it exists, probably?
[16:26] <ali1234> not in place of the Name though, or else you;d just see "steam game" "steam game" ...
[16:26] <ali1234> which is exactly what happens on xfce
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> ah yes, then they _don't_ use it
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> except as a search key in the dash
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> maybe?
[16:29] <ali1234> maybe, but then there's the comment field for that
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> maybe they didn't think and just did what worked?
[16:29] <ali1234> just wondering what the downside would be
[16:29] <ali1234> if any
[17:36] <popey> why am I seeing far eat characters on ali1234's post?
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> because you're hungry?
[17:36] <popey> *east
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> because you're hungry for Chinese food?
[17:37] <popey> http://imgur.com/XoHNo
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: is your browser (or locale) set to Chinese?
[17:41] <popey> no
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> then valve/steampowered.com is confused.
[17:55] <shauno> irrelevant, but it looks korean
[17:56] <ali1234> that is weird
[18:25] <roht> buona sera
[18:26] <roht> oggi stavo usando sul mio travelmate la 12.04 ed al login mi è apparso questo messaggio:"Could not update ICEauthority file /home/missiria/.ICEauthority"
[18:26] <roht> qualche idea?
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> did you run "sudo some-graphical-program" earlier?
[19:08] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmm think i know why indicator-weather crashes...
[19:08] <penguin42> ice?
[19:08] <ali1234> it's a race condition with the gobject threading
[19:09] <ali1234> i thought it might be unexpected result from the weather server at first but it seems not
[19:11] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:17] <popey> yo
[19:19] <bigcalm> A random popey appears
[19:27] <solarcloud_3scrn> popy, You Extreme Ironboard-ist you !
[21:56] <solarcloud_3scrn> Vimto is my Elixia tonight !
[22:00] <popey> hmm
[22:00]  * popey desires a cheeky vimto now
[22:16] <directhex> oops. late dinner.
[22:35] <popey> late snack, cheese on toast!
[22:37] <directhex> just had dinner. meatball baguette.
[22:37] <popey> ooh yum!
[22:38] <popey> in fact so yum, that's on the cards for this week one evening
[22:43] <directhex> Tesco have got some nice meatballs back in. They stopped doing interesting ones for a while
[22:44] <directhex> you can fit exactly 7 Tesco meatballs in one Tesco part-bake baguette (the ones that come in packs of 4 for, like, a quid)
[22:45] <dwatkins> I used to have those for my lunch, I'd do the remaining baking first thing in the morning.
[22:49] <mgdm> I have on occasion made bread and left it in the fridge overnight prior to its final rising
[22:49] <mgdm> so I can bake it in the morning
[22:50] <mgdm> it's good, but requires effort
[22:50]  * popey logs into wifeys tesco account and adds meatballs to the order
[22:51] <popey> which ones directhex ?
[22:54] <Azelphur> hehe, I just did a big shop on tesco, they have princes orange/apple juice at half price atm
[22:54] <Azelphur> bought like 40 boxes of the stuff :p
[22:55] <popey> hehe
[22:55] <mgdm> my brother did that once and made cider out of it :)
[22:55] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:55]  * popey modifies wifeys tesco order
[22:55] <popey> (not a euphemism)
[22:57] <popey> Azelphur, thanks for that tip, that's only 10p more per carton than the cheapo tesco stuff
[22:57] <Azelphur> popey: welcome, yea it's good stuff :)
[23:00]  * popey is looking for interesting meatballs now
[23:05] <directhex> popey, http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=254682966 ?
[23:06] <popey> yah, found them :)
[23:06] <directhex> popey, and all the Finest meatballs on http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/browse/default.aspx?N=4294770969+4294770986&Ne=4294793660 are on 2-for-£6
[23:06] <directhex> those are what we use
[23:14] <solarcloud_3scrn> Well , it's late and my teddy bear isn't going to get huggs on her own (!), bye for now.
[23:15] <neuro> euphemism alert
[23:17]  * solarcloud_3scrn is amazed about how many LoCo's there are on G+ communities ... https://plus.google.com/u/0/s/ubuntu%20LoCo/communities   ..and that's just the start !
[23:17] <solarcloud_3scrn> beddie-bys.
[23:40] <haqe17> can anyone help me with a java problem?