[07:41] <ideasman_42> Hi, Id like to disable `apport` from inside the python interpreter, is this possible?
[07:42] <ideasman_42> that is - it should stay running for all apps, just not one of them that Im writing
[07:42] <ideasman_42> all docs I found suggest change /etc/default/apport but I only want this for one python instance
[09:03] <cousin_luigi> Hello
[09:03] <cousin_luigi> I was trying a raring daily and noticed lm-sensors is gone: what package is supposed to take its place?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:01] <penguin42> Hey BK
[14:53] <BluesKaj> the amd 64bit 13.04 kubuntu daily buiold still fails at the hardware recognition phase ...doesn't look much is being done to help amd 64 users
[14:56] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:58] <penguin42> thing is it's not all amd64 users; most of us are fine
[15:32] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I also tried to install wih regular serial KB , same failure.
[15:33] <BluesKaj> I even tried the x86_32 bit version , no difference
[15:34] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I've seen one or two other people but no commonality; I know someone with an old P4-64bit
[15:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: have you got a machine in a state where you can get grub up reliably?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> I have 12.10 partition on the same HDD as I'm trying to install 13.04
[15:37] <penguin42> ah good
[15:37] <BluesKaj> the 13.04 partitions are ready and waiting
[15:37] <penguin42> so you've got 12.10's grub then booting the 13.04 grub?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> no, I'm, trying to install 13.04 from a live daily build
[15:38] <penguin42> ok
[15:39] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The nice thing then is you can tweek the 13.04's grub config
[15:40] <BluesKaj> there is no 13.04 grub
[15:40] <penguin42> BluesKaj: When you install 13.04 where are you going to put it's /boot and it's grub?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> the 3.7 kernel on 12.10 won't run either
[15:40] <penguin42> sure
[15:43] <BluesKaj> iwon't install grub or /boot , just /and /home , once 13.04 installed then I'll update grub in 12.10 , and it should pick up 13.04
[15:43] <penguin42> ok
[15:44] <BluesKaj> but 13.04 seems to be a log ways away for now :)
[15:44] <BluesKaj> long
[15:45] <BluesKaj> was thinking of experimenting with a different distro on those partitions
[15:46] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yep, although it would be great to see if we can forcibly extract some diags out of your machine
[15:46] <BluesKaj> how
[15:46] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:46] <penguin42> good question :-)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> ubiquity quits in tgext mode after a sec or so
[15:47] <penguin42> BluesKaj: So remind me again what the failure mode is exactly- when does it die?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> when it gets to the microsoft keyboard in what appears to be the hardware recognitiuon mode /phase, whatever the proper term is
[15:49] <BluesKaj> after choosing "install kubuntu"
[15:49] <penguin42> ok, that's great, you get as far as making a choice
[15:49] <BluesKaj> no
[15:50] <penguin42> is this the grub 'install kubuntu' choice or the try / install buttons?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> no , it's the first page , the blue one , with inmstall kubuntu , check disk, boot from hardrive . choices ...it never gets tot he rty or install kubuntu phase
[15:52] <penguin42> ok, let me just boot a vm using the install iso and see if I can follow it
[15:52] <BluesKaj> to the try or install
[15:53] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Ah so I get choice of 'Start Kubuntu' 'Check disc for defects' 'Test memory' or Boot from first hard disk'
[15:53] <penguin42> BluesKaj:  so you select the start and it does there ?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> I'd use a vm ,but i can't get the fonts and icons large enough to read on this 42" monitor
[15:54] <BluesKaj> right penguin42 , "install kubuntu" fails after one sec
[15:55] <penguin42> BluesKaj: OK, so if at that point you hit f6 (Other Options) and delete the     quiet splash --   off the end what happens ?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> it drops to text mode immediastely
[15:56] <penguin42> so if you delete the quiet splash --    it should end up with text mode, and what do you see?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> tried the nomosedset with the 3.7 kernel on 12.10 , it reacts exactly the same
[15:58] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I'm using the same pc atm , so i can't do what you ask
[15:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: OK, when you get a chance I think that's the thing to do
[15:59] <BluesKaj> ok , bbiab , I'll try that
[16:06] <penguin42> BluesKaj: If you have a camera and it's a load of text take a picture
[16:10] <BluesKaj> ok ,the last message at fail is , "invalid power resource to Register! ...tried nomodeset without quiet splash
[16:10] <penguin42> ok, try and get the whole screen
[16:10] <BluesKaj> napic too, but they all fail
[16:12] <BluesKaj> the KB and mouse inputs are unresponsive after the failure , I have to do a physical power down and power up , so ther's no way to a scrnshot
[16:14] <allexmb> hello, how to add ppa's [ first time i heard of em now ] to as-12, im using 13 from 12 updated
[16:14] <BluesKaj> "it's the kernel I tell you , it's the kernel " :) ..it just isn't working on my HW , no matter what
[16:14] <bazhang> allexmb, 12.10?
[16:14] <penguin42> BluesKaj: A camera
[16:15] <allexmb> yes wine ppa's for 12 instead of raring sources
[16:15] <allexmb> oh i can edit the apt sources.list
[16:15] <bazhang> allexmb, get the wine repo from #winehq
[16:15] <allexmb> i used apt-add-repo but it s nx for raring
[16:16] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You could try noacpi (note! noacpi is different from noapic)
[16:16] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I'm not that desperate.
[16:16] <bazhang> allexmb, raring wont have PPA til it's released. contact the maintainer for that, or go to #winehq as I just suggested
[16:17] <allexmb> i just s/raring/quantal and see further
[16:17] <allexmb> installs fine
[16:18] <bazhang> that wont work unless there is a raring PPA for it
[16:18] <allexmb> i replaced the raring string with quantal
[16:18] <penguin42> BluesKaj: noacpi is definitely worth a go (especially if it looks power related)
[16:19] <allexmb> has windows 8 api
[16:20] <penguin42> BluesKaj: But if you get a chance with a camera and I'm around, I'll be happy to see if I can spot anything in it
[16:20] <allexmb> but, this win software isnt working with it either,
[16:20] <allexmb> thank you anyway =)
[16:35] <BluesKaj> the noacpi mode works up to the try kubuntu or install kubuntu page then the install kubuntu stage just hangs with the rotating cursor , finally after quitting the install ubiquity opens the try kubuntu page in low graphics mode with ugly fonts and basically a non usable terminal
[16:35] <BluesKaj> penguin42,^
[16:35] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Oh, at least that's progress
[16:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj: OK, so then make sure to add that note to your bug, what happens if you go for try rather than install?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> well, it's what i had before , that I tried to fix with experimental nvidia drivers
[16:37] <penguin42> BluesKaj: OK, so when you say it's non-usable, is it working just horrible, or actually not working?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> I just described it above'
[16:38] <BluesKaj> not working after trying to adjust fonts to make them readable
[16:38] <penguin42> BluesKaj: can you ctrl-alt-f1 at that point?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> no , the tty wouldn't come up ,the terminal was still hanging with rotating cursor
[16:41] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Would it ctrl-alt-f1 if you did it before you chose try/install?
[16:42] <penguin42> (all in the noacpi version)
[16:42] <BluesKaj> was going to check which graphics driver was installed, i assumed it was nouveau , but the terminal wouldn't work
[16:43] <BluesKaj> well ,let me try that
[16:44] <penguin42> BluesKaj: If you can ctrl-alt-f1 you have a chance of networking up and doing an apport-collect against your bug to collect kernel bugs
[16:51] <BluesKaj1> ok penguin42 , I'm on irssi in the tty on 13,04 as you suggested
[16:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: Ah cool; what else do you need from your distro then :-)
[16:53] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: so if you've got that kernel bug number then do   apport-collect  number    and it should add all your kernel logs to it (make a note on the bug that those were collected with noacpi)
[16:53] <BluesKaj1> penguin42 an nvidia driver that'll give me decent graphics :)and a terminal thet doesn't hang if i wanrt to use X
[16:54] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: You might also want to extract your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or maybe /var/log/lightdm/x-0.log)
[16:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: For an encore you could install and start an openssh-server from where you are, then ssh in from another machine, then carry on with trying to do the install and see if you can gather any logs over ssh depending how bad it crashed
[16:57] <BluesKaj1> penguin43 i haven't tried the "install" mode yet so I still have a long road ahead IMO
[16:57] <BluesKaj1> err 42
[16:57] <penguin42> nod
[17:00] <BluesKaj1> I thought installing kernels using ssh didn't work , seems I tried to upgrade the distro on my laptop from this pc using ssh and it refused the command
[17:00] <penguin42> it should, you'll need to use sudo of course
[17:06] <BluesKaj1> penguin42 getting "sub process error , /usr/bin/dpkg error code 1 for both ssh server install and updates/upgrades
[17:10] <BluesKaj1> odd the ssh server works here , was able ssh into the laptop from here
[17:10] <penguin42> any other message - that's the last uninteresting bit
[17:11] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: That sounds like the ssh _client_ is working, ssh server would let you ssh *into* this machine
[17:13] <BluesKaj1>  just realized that penguin42
[17:14] <BluesKaj1> ok if I can ssh into this machine , how would I proceed with the install '
[17:15] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: Well, if you can ssh into the machine, then switch back to X with ctrl-alt-f7 or f8 and click install; then it hangs, but see if the ssh connection is still responding and see if you can extract any logs with dmesg or any of /var/log/installer etc via ssh
[17:15] <BluesKaj1> I'm used to the praphical install when using a live cd. I have installed by internet release upgrade , but never using ssh
[17:16] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: Yep, so I'm saying carry on doing the install via the graphical one, but just see if you can catch the crash logs via ssh
[17:16] <BluesKaj1> ok , here goes
[17:16] <BluesKaj1> bbl
[17:25] <BluesKaj1> penguin42 , ssh from laptop , "connection refused" , so the server install didn't work here
[17:25] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: Did the apt-get succeed?
[17:26] <penguin42> oh you got that dpkg error - you're going to need to get the rest of the error
[17:26] <BluesKaj1> apt-get install openssh-server gave that error message I posted above
[17:27] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: Right, but that was the last line - it's pretty useless; was the know error before it?
[17:28] <BluesKaj1> penguin42  I think the installer/ubiquity is blocking the apt-get process in the tty
[17:29] <penguin42> no, that shouldn't happen - what's the full error?
[17:30] <BluesKaj1> penguin42 /var/cache/debconf/confi.dat is locked by another process
[17:31] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: but you hadn;t started the installer yet, so that sounds odd
[17:31] <BluesKaj1> looks like an installer lock
[17:31] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: hmm ok; well look at least you can ssh out
[17:31] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: That means you can scp log files off
[17:32] <penguin42> must be a way to get ssh in on there
[17:32] <BluesKaj1> penguin41 , I did a ctrl+alt+f7 , it's still at the try or install page
[17:33] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: OK, so then you could hit try, it'll probably crash, but if you're lucky you'll still be able to ctrl-alt-f1 and carry on sshing stuff out, but really need to find a way to connect inwards
[17:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: Still, you've got one important thing to add to your bug report; you can get it to get past the boot hang with noacpi - and that's a really important thing to add, and you should be able to do the apport command from the alt-f1 to capture logs when booted with noacpi
[17:36] <BluesKaj1> penguin42:  it's odd that irssi ionstalled without any errors
[17:36] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: Indeed
[17:37] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: You could always start again and do an apt-get install irssi openssh-server and hope it manages it one go
[17:43] <BluesKaj1> nope , still the same errors , this one looks important , "/var/cache/apt/archives/openssh-server_1%3a6-2_amd64.deb
[17:44] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: Mus give the whole error - that's only part of it
[17:44] <BluesKaj1> errors were encountered while processing the above
[17:44] <penguin42> it normally tells you what the error was - what was the very first error line
[17:45] <allexmb> why does alt cmd f1 switch anymore
[17:49] <BluesKaj1> penguin42 subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[17:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj1: hmm a bit too messy to debug that one this way
[17:51] <BluesKaj1> penguin42 , very first line , debconf;DbDriver "config"; /var/cache/.... etc
[17:52] <BluesKaj1> as I posted above ..locked by anothe rprocess
[17:53] <penguin42> odd
[17:54] <BluesKaj1> well, I'll try the install again
[17:57] <BluesKaj1> looks like the install is hanging
[17:58] <BluesKaj1> altho there seems to be some interaction between the cd and the hdd
[18:03] <BluesKaj1> nothing happening now , cursor still rotating
[18:06] <BluesKaj1> that's it I've run out of patience 8mins without any activity tells me it's stalled
[18:23] <BluesKaj> no point in fooling with 13.04 anymore it's obviously not going to install on my hdd ..altho it semi-works on the live cd with a lot of fiddling around
[21:12] <bjsnider> is anybody using gnome at the moment?
[21:13] <bjsnider> i mean gnome/unity
[21:27] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: me
[21:27] <FernandoMiguel> always
[21:28] <bjsnider> is this a computer or some handheld type thing
[21:31] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: full keyboard, laptop. why?
[21:32] <bjsnider> which gtk them are you using?
[21:33] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider:  gtk2-engines:   Installed: 1:2.20.2-2ubuntu1
[21:33] <bjsnider> no, looka t tweak tool
[21:33] <FernandoMiguel> gnome-tweak-tool:  Installed: 3.6.1-1
[21:33] <bjsnider> theme>gtk theme
[21:35] <bjsnider> it's probably either ambiance or radiance
[21:36] <FernandoMiguel> ambiance
[21:36] <FernandoMiguel> but I can't find that menu now... it's gonne
[21:36] <bjsnider> ok, can you please install gnome-mplayer
[21:36] <bjsnider> you can pick mplayer or mplayer2, whichever tickles your funny bone
[21:36] <FernandoMiguel> no gnome-player available
[21:37] <FernandoMiguel> mplayer2:  Installed: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1ubuntu1
[21:38] <bjsnider> gnome-mplayer is in raring
[21:38] <bjsnider> i just checked
[21:40] <FernandoMiguel>  apt-cache search gnome-player
[21:40] <FernandoMiguel> empty
[21:40] <FernandoMiguel> :S
[21:40] <FernandoMiguel> ahhh nvm
[21:41] <FernandoMiguel> missed an m
[21:42] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: installed
[21:42] <bjsnider> thanks
[21:42] <bjsnider> ok, so launch the app, and play a video file with it
[21:42] <FernandoMiguel> I haven't been able to play anything for months
[21:42] <bjsnider> if you don't have one i can provide a location where you can download one
[21:42] <FernandoMiguel> totem, vlc, nada
[21:42] <bjsnider> uh, what?
[21:42] <FernandoMiguel> the only one that works is mplayer from CLU
[21:42] <FernandoMiguel> *CLI
[21:42] <bjsnider> well, try it please
[21:43] <FernandoMiguel> they tend to block... okay, I'll try
[21:43] <FernandoMiguel> $ gnome-mplayer "Where the Hell are Matt's 2006 Outtakes.mp4"
[21:43] <FernandoMiguel> GMLIB-Message: after init: position=0,000 length=0,000 start_time=0,000 run_time=0,000 volume=0,00 player=dead media=unknown uri=
[21:43] <FernandoMiguel> GMLIB-Message: in media state change with state = play dontplaynext = 0
[21:43] <FernandoMiguel> playting
[21:46] <bjsnider> is the file playing?
[21:46] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: yes
[21:46] <bjsnider> great
[21:46] <bjsnider> ok pause it. that's space or p
[21:47] <bjsnider> then select a different window
[21:47] <bjsnider> does the paused video window go black?
[21:48] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: eys
[21:48] <bjsnider> now, grab the bottom of the window and drag it up and down to resize the window. the paused picture should come back
[21:48] <bjsnider> the gnome-mplayer window that is
[21:50] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: confirmed
[21:51] <bjsnider> thanks
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> also playing again, resumes video fine
[21:51] <bjsnider> this doesn't happen on the developer's system, which is fedora
[21:51] <bjsnider> but most users use ubuntu
[21:52] <bjsnider> by approximately one million ubuntu users for every one fedora user
[21:52] <bjsnider> i think about 22 people still use fedora
[21:52] <FernandoMiguel> lololol
[21:52] <FernandoMiguel> I have at least one of those at work
[21:52] <FernandoMiguel> I know there are more, but that one sits next to me
[21:53] <FernandoMiguel> from the other 140 users, take a few Mac, a few windows, almost all run Ubuntu
[21:55] <bjsnider> hasn't the latest fedora release been delayed 2 years or something?
[21:55] <bjsnider> i think only core gnome devs use it
[21:56] <ikonia> errr no
[21:56] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: don't troll. fedora 18 is in last stage beta
[21:57] <ikonia> it's approx 4 weeks behind schedule, the last release was 6 months ago
[21:57] <ikonia> bjsnider: please don't just make things up, it's one of the most popular distros available
[22:06] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[22:06] <Daekdroom> I think by this time last year I was already using 12.04 LTS devel.
[22:06] <Daekdroom> But I'm not sure... =/
[23:28] <simplew> sudo is completly broken, any one knows whats happening?
[23:34] <allexmb> paste
[23:35] <FernandoMiguel> simplew: working fine here
[23:36] <simplew> FernandoMiguel: you have raring updated?
[23:36] <FernandoMiguel> yep. did it 30 min ago
[23:37] <simplew> FernandoMiguel: did you reboot meanwhile?
[23:37] <FernandoMiguel> nope
[23:37] <simplew> FernandoMiguel: please do
[23:37] <FernandoMiguel> can't
[23:37] <FernandoMiguel> I'm using my laptop as we speak
[23:38] <simplew> FernandoMiguel: so?
[23:38] <simplew> FernandoMiguel: that doesnt stop you from rebooting
[23:41] <simplew> FernandoMiguel: i see theres new packages, a new kernel, im upgrading again and im gg for reboot agaiun
[23:41] <FernandoMiguel> how are you going to upgrade (run apt) if sudo doesn't work ?
[23:41] <FernandoMiguel> and he is gone