[02:55] <Seeker`> Has anyone got an nvidia card, and managed to have compositing disabled in xorg.conf without unity disappearing?
[08:48] <jacobw> morning
[09:16] <directhex> Seeker`, pretty sure unity is a compiz addon, and compiz won't run without compositing
[09:24]  * jacobw resolves to find out what compositing actually is one day
[09:31] <kvarley> jacobw: Isn't compositing basically overlaying more than one image as the same time?
[09:31] <kvarley> jacobw: Transparency is the classic example?
[09:47] <jacobw> kvarley: transparency is what springs to mind
[09:47] <jacobw> kvarley: but i don't why moving one window over another in windows 95 isn't also compositing
[09:47] <kvarley> jacobw: It's only displaying one image at a time tho
[09:48] <kvarley> I see your point tho
[09:48] <kvarley> But it's not really at the same time
[09:49] <jacobw> this is my confusion, the screen is 2 dimenisional, you can only show one image at a time
[10:00] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:01] <jacobw> morning
[10:01] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[10:58] <ali1234> jacobw: compositing is taken to mean "compositing using textures on the GPU"
[10:59] <ali1234> jacobw: windows 95 uses blitting, which has the same result but works a different way
[10:59] <ali1234> under compositing you have to redraw the entire display every frame, but not the windows which are buffered on textures
[11:00] <ali1234> under blitting you just redraw the parts of the display which have changed
[11:01] <ali1234> and there's no intermediate buffer for windows unless they explicitly make one (double buffering, overlays etc)
[11:01] <ali1234> blitting is basically much more efficient but cannot do fancy effects
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> I remember them making a big thing of how it could "blit"
[11:02] <ali1234> how what could blit?
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> Win9x
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> That and Intel "Indeo" video codecs
[11:03] <ali1234> well windows 95 had "graphics accelerators" which were video cards with accelerated 2d copies
[11:03] <ali1234> which is what blitting really is
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> I know, lots of computer magazines of the time went to great lengths to explain blitting in great detail for MONTHS leading up to the release
[11:04]  * MartijnVdS was 13-14ish, an impressionable age ;)
[11:06] <popey> i thought compiz did damage now so we don't redraw every frame
[11:07] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/unity/regionalDamage/+merge/112283
[11:07] <ali1234> that's at window level
[11:07] <ali1234> isn't it?
[11:08] <ali1234> so the texture buffer don't get updated every frame, but it still redraws the whole screen if any of the textures changed
[11:09] <ali1234> but redrawing the whole screen isn't a problem for the gpu
[11:09] <ali1234> it's texture passing that is slow
[11:09] <ali1234> this is why glxgears can redraw itself at 5000 fps into a texture, even though the display isn't even updating at all
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> so.. we need faster blitting? :P
[11:10] <ali1234> meh
[11:10] <ali1234> blitting is already fast
[11:11] <ali1234> it's just useless for effects
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> so.. faster shaders?
[11:12] <ali1234> no, shaders are not used
[11:12] <ali1234> what we need is faster bus between GPU and CPU memory
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> So shared video ram/main ram is a good thing?
[11:14] <ali1234> depends how quickly you can copy between them
[11:15] <ali1234> integrated graphics do seem to do better at running compiz
[11:15] <ali1234> what really really need is graphics drivers that don't completely suck
[12:17] <dwatkins> hooray, I finally have a PC fast enough to do gaming on, time to install Ubuntu and steam...
[12:24] <penguin42> dwatkins: xmas present to yourself?
[12:24] <dwatkins> penguin42: yep, a friend was selling a core2quad-based machine off as he's recently replaced it
[12:27] <penguin42> dwatkins: Cool; now if you have any cash spare, go buy yourself an SSD, they make a machine fly
[12:28] <penguin42> single best thing I've bought in years
[12:28] <dwatkins> penguin42: yeah, that's next on the list, perhaps around springtime ;)
[12:28] <penguin42> cool; I think mine was only about £70 for 128GB
[12:29] <dwatkins> nice
[12:37] <solarcloud_3scrn> i just got outta bed o/
[12:37] <penguin42> solarcloud_3scrn: Yeh, I only got out of bed just before midday
[12:38] <solarcloud_3scrn> penguin42,   coffee main adgenda so far ..
[12:39] <daubers> o/
[12:42] <solarcloud_3scrn> Not sure if anyone isinto 'alternative worship' but here it is ::: http://goo.gl/DQYT0
[12:46] <dwatkins> paying homage to Scroobius Pip?
[12:46] <solarcloud_3scrn> Scroobius Pip? is that a christmas carole thingy ?
[12:50] <dwatkins> No, it sounded like who was playing when I tuned-in
[12:50] <dwatkins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Gh8TWpQE8
[12:50] <dwatkins> note: some swearing on that video
[12:57] <solarcloud_3scrn> dwatkins, Oh it's the guy from Landon.
[13:00] <dwatkins> Laaandan
[13:01] <solarcloud_3scrn> Only thing I know about there : is stay away from the Blackwall Tunnel ;)
[13:01] <dwatkins> I used to travel there quite a lot, now I live 500 miles north of it, and I don't miss London.
[13:02] <solarcloud_3scrn> I lived there for 2 weeks in the 90's .. just seemed too big for me.
[13:03] <penguin42> has only been down there a hand full of times, I kind of like it; lots of museums and lots of green space in the centre
[13:03] <solarcloud_3scrn> Anyone see Mark'sphilosophcal rant on Yutube recently (45 mins) ? ?
[13:03] <dwatkins> penguin42: I live in Edinburgh now, it's kinda like that but more awesome ;)
[13:04] <dwatkins> solarcloud_3scrn: Mark Thomas?
[13:04] <solarcloud_3scrn> Mshuttleworth
[13:04] <penguin42> dwatkins: Hmm not crossed the boarder, I should do sometime, I guess it's no further to edinburgh from Manc than to London
[13:04] <dwatkins> must be quite a rant at 45 minutes
[13:05] <dwatkins> penguin42: as I imagine you've seen from pictures, Edinburgh looks fantastic - loads of lovely architecture, parks and volcanic features
[13:05] <solarcloud_3scrn> must be nice music..
[13:07] <penguin42> hmm takes a bit longer to get to .ed from Manc than to get to London
[13:13] <dwatkins> I blame the A720
[13:13] <dwatkins> There's motorway to Glasgow, you can cut across from there, but there's no really direct route to Edinburgh.
[13:16] <solarcloud_3scrn> penguin42, Funny you say .ed for Edinburgh  .. I wonder what the TLCDomain will be for Scotland after 2015 ?  .sco ?
[13:17] <dwatkins> If Scotland becomes independant, I shall be very surprised.
[13:17] <solarcloud_3scrn> me too.
[13:17] <dwatkins> I could be wrong, but I just don't see it having enough industry to be self-sufficient.
[13:17] <dwatkins> The oil won't exactly last long, and that's assuming an independent Scotland gets rights to it
[13:20] <solarcloud_3scrn> I think the Oil is the arguement ... after that It's tidal I guess.
[13:20] <dwatkins> yeah, there's tourism (i.e. golf and hotels) too, and I'm part of what is commonly known as 'Silicon Glen' here.
[13:21] <dwatkins> Kinda like Silicon Valley, but north of Hadrian's Wall ;)
[13:23] <solarcloud_3scrn> I guess when people see the 'wave technology' in their own back yard with indicators saying how many houses it is helping along, then they will believe. But until then, it's just another Scottish dure attitude IMHO.
[13:24] <cocoa117> i have speical LVM PV which is striped mapping, I have one single LV created on top of it, and it only used half of the space. How do i use rest of space from this stripped PV not other space from other PV in the VG?
[13:25] <solarcloud_3scrn> I think it was said best in 2007 when they were talking about Scottish TV .. the over-riding remark was "Yeah, but we don't *see* ourselves"  .. anyway I'll stop with this offyopic stuff now.
[14:00] <penguin42> dwatkins: Oil, Whisky, Shortbread - what else do you need?
[14:07] <solarcloud_3scrn> penguin42, Porridge , definately porridge.
[14:09] <penguin42> oh yeh
[14:09] <penguin42> I don't know, the scots have some good universities up there as well
[14:22] <Seeker`> directhex: so I can choose between stuttery video or unity?
[14:24] <ali1234> stuttery video or no unity, you mean
[14:24] <ali1234> seems like an easy decision to me :)
[14:26] <penguin42> cocoa117: Sorry, can you just describe your stack again?
[14:27] <penguin42> ali1234: Does unity have the option to turn compositing off for certain windows; in KDE you can blacklist certain things that don't play well
[14:27] <ali1234> you can disabling compositing on fullscreen windows
[14:48] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[14:52] <cocoa117> penguin42, i was wonder if there is way to have LV expended only on striped PV, where it was originally created on.
[14:52] <dwatkins> penguin42: heh, how about industries that bring in money all year round and aren't limited by a diminishing natural resource ;)
[14:52] <cocoa117> penguin42, there are free space available from other PV within the VG as well, which i don't want to use for this particular LV
[14:52] <solarcloud_3scrn> I'm just brainwashing myself with RevolutionOS on youtube .... again.
[14:54] <penguin42> cocoa117: OK, so you've got a LV on a VG and there are multiple PVs backing the VG?
[14:55] <cocoa117> penguin42, that's correct. in fact there is one PV is created on SoftRAID, and other PV created on striped two hard disks
[14:55] <cocoa117> both SoftRAID and striped PVs have free space
[14:56] <penguin42> cocoa117: I think you can
[14:56] <cocoa117> and the LV is created using sudo lvcreate -i2 -I64 --size 456G -n nonprotection system
[14:56] <cocoa117> so this nonprotection LV is created originally on strip only
[14:56] <penguin42> cocoa117: Yeh if you look at lvextend you can specify the physical path
[14:56] <cocoa117> oh, ok
[14:57] <daftykins> anyone had any experience with any of the little two bay NAS's on the market?
[14:58] <cocoa117> penguin42, found it, thanx
[16:40] <sci> zzzzzzz
[16:59] <penguin42> so is anyone still using G+ communities a week on - I haven't checked them in the week, and only checked it for a second or two today
[17:06] <popey> yes
[17:06] <popey> but I'm a moderator of one
[17:07] <Azelphur> anyone got any cheap suggestions on how I might hook a doorbell up to a computer?
[17:10] <daftykins> Azelphur: i want you to leave your desk this Christmas, no excuses! :)
[17:10] <Azelphur> nevar
[17:10] <daftykins> right people, intervention!
[17:10] <Azelphur> daftykins: technically, I left my desk already
[17:10] <Azelphur> I moved house, and didn't take my desk with me
[17:11] <daftykins> :O!
[17:11] <daftykins> did you upgrade?
[17:11] <Azelphur> in the process of upgrading
[17:11] <Azelphur> for now I had to improvise, https://www.dropbox.com/s/ai1i3cdyxeo0bpb/2012-12-06%2005.44.07.jpg?m
[17:13] <popey> we have those battery powered doorbells
[17:13] <popey> so you can walk outside in the garden and still hear it
[17:14] <Azelphur> yea, problem with me is that I spend most of my day at my desk, wearing noise cancelling headphones listening to music
[17:14] <Azelphur> chance of hearing doorbell, 0 xD
[17:14] <daftykins> Azelphur: lol right in the kitchen, my god you never have to leave!
[17:14] <Azelphur> daftykins: I know right, it's so awesome, last night I cooked dinner just by chair spinning
[17:14] <Azelphur> certainly has perks
[17:14] <daftykins> LMAO
[17:14] <daftykins> has the downside of ambient heat though i guess
[17:15] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[17:18] <daftykins> i'm gonna have a whole separate 'bedroom' to turn into my 'office' style room when i move into my new place
[17:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: that's what I have in this palce
[17:18] <Azelphur> :D
[17:18] <Azelphur> place*
[17:18] <daftykins> \o/
[17:19] <daftykins> well
[17:19] <daftykins> kitchen doesn't really count surely? :>
[17:19] <daftykins> oh wait i get you
[17:19] <daftykins> that's temp
[17:19] <Azelphur> it's a 2 bedroom but I am paying almost the same price as a 1 bedroom
[17:19] <daftykins> cool
[17:19] <Azelphur> 1 bed: £390-420/mo, my place, £460/mo
[17:19] <daftykins> ah-har
[17:20] <Azelphur> can't knock that as a price xD
[17:20] <daftykins> in Guernsey it's about twice that :>
[17:20] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:20] <daftykins> though i'm buying thankfully
[17:20] <Azelphur> yea, this isn't the greatest of areas at all
[17:20] <Azelphur> although I live next door to my brother, which is cool
[17:20] <Azelphur> been really handy having him next door helping me get set up
[17:21] <daftykins> :D
[17:21] <daftykins> my mates an electrician, he says he'll do any work for free for me :O
[17:21] <Azelphur> :O nice
[17:21] <daftykins> which is handy 'cause the new place has one of those ancient porcelain and fuse wire style boxes
[17:22] <daftykins> which are super tedious :D
[17:22] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:22] <Azelphur> I've got a friend who is sorting out my desk, he does property in London so he's gonna get his carpenter to sort it out for me
[17:22] <Azelphur> the new desk is going to be...room sized
[17:22] <daftykins> i helped him out with some wireless access point + router comedy the other day so it's all about the exchange favours \o/
[17:22] <Azelphur> :D
[17:22] <penguin42> daftykins: Presumably the easy bit is for him to rip it out and put something from the last century in
[17:22] <daftykins> ah nice
[17:23] <daftykins> penguin42: indeed :) i had to do the same when i was in Portsmouth as that was the same affair
[17:23] <daftykins> had to be upgraded when an electric shower died
[17:23] <Azelphur> daftykins: basically going C shaped desk, 10 ft by 7 ft, 3 ft deep xD
[17:23] <daftykins> 8D
[17:23] <daftykins> what'll it be made of, do you know?
[17:24] <Azelphur> not sure, I am expecting hardwood, pine or oak, but I will mostly leave it up to the carpenter
[17:24] <daftykins> arr
[17:24] <Azelphur> I don't know what I'm doing in that department, so I'm just saying what size/shape I want and letting him work out the rest
[17:25] <daftykins> i've got this 800mm deep 'project' desk i got for £25 at a business bankruptcy auction
[17:25] <Azelphur> nice
[17:25] <daftykins> should have a snap somewhere
[17:25] <daftykins> hrmm
[17:26] <Azelphur> http://i.imgur.com/0TBfU.jpg is the kind of thing I'm aiming to have built
[17:26] <daftykins> new place is in the centre of the town here though, on a super narrow not-even-road, so everything will have to be carried in from at least 100m away >_<
[17:26] <daftykins> haha
[17:26] <Azelphur> ouch
[17:27] <daftykins> my parents don't even have cars big enough anymore O_O
[17:27] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:27] <Azelphur> if your in need of a TV there's a good cheap one going on ebuyer right now
[17:27] <Azelphur> £400 for 55", I bought one for my place
[17:28] <daftykins> :O
[17:28] <daftykins> wowzer
[17:28] <penguin42> Azelphur: Oh is that the Furrion?
[17:28] <daftykins> well i've got a 6 year old 40" Sony, it'll have to do for now
[17:28] <Azelphur> penguin42: yea
[17:28] <Azelphur> looks like it's out of stock now
[17:29] <penguin42> Azelphur: What's it like; I assumed at that price it would be junk - and my wall isn't big enough :-(
[17:29] <daftykins> i'd love to blow 1.5k on a 55" samsung E8000 but i'm gonna be poor with the house buying so i have to give up on frivolousness :D
[17:29] <Azelphur> penguin42: no idea, hasn't arrived yet only ordered it yesterday
[17:29] <penguin42> ah
[17:29] <penguin42> daftykins: but think how insignificant another 1.5k would be on top of the rest of the house bill....
[17:29] <penguin42> Azelphur: Ah, do keep us informed
[17:30] <Azelphur> penguin42: willco {_
[17:30] <Azelphur> :)*
[17:30] <daftykins> penguin42: hehe, true, but i don't really have much income
[17:46] <solarcloud_3scrn> Man walks into shop and asks for four candles ; walks out with handles for forks = that's British comedy :)
[17:48] <daftykins> the two Ronnies :D
[17:48] <penguin42> on youtube :-)
[17:49] <penguin42> solarcloud_3scrn: I've always regarded it as a shame that unix uses pid's rather than fork handles
[17:49] <daftykins> Azelphur: is it out of stock now per chance? see nowt under the 55" section
[17:49] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, out of stock :(
[17:50] <Azelphur> they had 24 left when I bought mine yesterday, gone quick
[17:50] <daftykins> cor!
[17:50] <daftykins> just seen a cheaper model samsung, looking up the difference out of curiosity now :D
[17:50] <Azelphur> haha
[17:50] <daftykins> though i really need to learn to want what i have rather than want new things, as the old adage goes ;)
[17:50] <Azelphur> samsung 55"? £1200 probably
[17:50] <daftykins> yeah that's the low model
[17:50] <daftykins> also that's in mainlander tax
[17:50] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:51] <daftykins> actually you're right, £1400 with ofc
[17:51] <daftykins> that's the mid-range actually, '6800'
[17:51] <daftykins> sounds like graphics cards of yesteryear
[17:52] <daftykins> i don't even have to worry about HDMI count now as i have a lovely onkyo AV receiver :D
[17:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:52] <daftykins> even does 3D passthrough, not that i care about 3D XD
[17:54] <daftykins> ah, don't you just love manufacturer's proprietary terminology?
[17:54] <daftykins> top end 8000 series compared with the 6800:
[17:54] <daftykins> Ultra Clear Panel | Yes | No |
[17:54] <penguin42> it would be interesting to try 3d from a computer
[17:54] <daftykins> mmm
[17:55] <marsilainen_> I should be ordering xmas presents right now - but instead I find myself ordering computer bits for upgrades I want to do on my week off between xmas & new year :/
[17:55] <daftykins> my little nvidia ion HTPC has a BD drive, nothing else i own does though
[17:55] <daftykins> marsilainen_: hehe, sort yourself then sort the others ;)
[17:55] <marsilainen_> yeah, I'm sure that is the wrong way round somehow :/
[17:56] <daftykins> i'd have to do it the other way myself, only way to get me to do something is make deals with myself :D
[17:56] <marsilainen_> xmas is the time for... upgrading disk capacity
[17:57] <penguin42> daftykins: Anyway, if you want 3d you want one of these surely http://www.johnlewis.com/231549250/Product.aspx
[17:57] <Azelphur> daubers: how much did your XMPP doorbell cost to build?
[17:57] <daftykins> oh dear lord
[17:57] <daftykins> only 7k XD
[17:57] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh :-)
[17:57] <Azelphur> I did good at £400
[17:57] <penguin42> daftykins: it is 4khd and glasses-free 3d
[17:58] <Azelphur> if you want me to find another cheap tv I can do
[17:58]  * Azelphur is pro at finding things
[17:58] <daftykins> penguin42: ah i saw the glasses free but not 4k :>
[17:59] <Azelphur> there's lots of cheap 40-46 inchers floating around for the 200-300 mark if you know where to look :P
[18:00] <penguin42> Azelphur: I don't even think you have to no where to look for cheap 40 at that type of price
[18:00]  * Azelphur shrugs
[18:00] <daftykins> sure gets cheaper looking at 46" vs. 55
[18:00] <penguin42> Azelphur: The 46,55" ones though are harder to find cheap
[18:02] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:02] <daftykins> i'm gonna be a lot further from the TV in the new place, seating wise
[18:02] <daftykins> a friend was saying just last night that it makes gaming harder :>
[18:19] <Seeker`> what? 3D?
[18:20] <directhex> nah, 3d is great for games. mostly. prince of persia sucks with it - too many sweeping cameras, combined with a crummy port
[18:21] <Seeker`> main problem with 3d games is that you don't have everything in focus, so you can't see the HUD / UI properly
[18:21] <daftykins> Seeker`: nah when you're used to your TV at a certain distance, then you change to further away
[18:21] <Seeker`> daftykins: ah, yes. Need a bigger TV to compensate,
[18:21] <daftykins> :D
[18:21] <daftykins> indeedy
[18:22] <directhex> which 3d games do i have? hm...
[18:22] <directhex> sands of time trilogy, gears of war 3, assassin's creed revelations, AC3, wipeout ps3, and various other ps2 classic downloads - ratchet & clank and sly cooper
[18:23] <directhex> oh, and de blob 2
[18:24] <Seeker`> just went for a drive for the first time in 2.5 years :D
[18:24] <Seeker`> was fun
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> Seeker`: no casualties?
[18:26] <Seeker`> nope
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[19:52] <bigcalm> !ping
[19:52] <bigcalm> !ding
[19:57] <daftykins> howdy neighbour
[21:28] <solarcloud> I have a small problem .. i have installed Ubuntu 12.10  and I'm trying to get my 3 screen Nvidia Quaddro NVS450 graphics card to pick up the 3 screens .. how do I do this ?
[21:36] <AlanBell> well with nvidia you have the choice of the free driver which probably works in a sane way, or the proprietary driver that you poke with the special nvidia settings tool
[21:40] <solarcloud> Thanks AlanBell , for a second I thought everyone was watching Calendar Girls or something.. Yes I don't mind which one/driver I use .. just want to get it going .. I'm on the propietory (tested) driver at moment, but not sure why I'm only on the one screen ? How to proceed ... not sure ?
[21:42] <solarcloud> .. ah yes I have found the settings tool .. I think we've done it !
[21:47] <solarcloud> AlanBell, I'l PM you...
[21:47] <solarcloud> AlanBell, I'll PM you...
[21:47] <AlanBell> ok
[21:47] <AlanBell> well I won't be much help
[21:47] <AlanBell> I don't have any nvidea machines any more
[21:50] <solarcloud> AlanBell, I've PM'd you..
[22:23] <solarcloud> AlanBell, Thanx all  the same ... I try to screen shot it for others if I can ..
[22:24] <daftykins> solarcloud: the nvidia-settings tool? yeah we're pretty familiar with it
[22:24] <daftykins> do you need help getting the second screen running or have you done it?
[23:12] <solarcloud> daftykins, Yes I do (and i have 3 screens .. ) sorry just playing open Arena :)
[23:12] <daftykins> np :)
[23:12] <solarcloud> ok I'm free now ..
[23:13] <daftykins> oh right
[23:13] <solarcloud> daftykins, how should i proceed ?
[23:13] <daftykins> so usually you can only change settings permanently by running the nvidia-settings program with sudo
[23:14] <solarcloud> ok .. but I'm a bit of a n00b ... hangon .. I'm chatting on the Win7 PC .. how do i do that ?
[23:14] <daftykins> well you can test things to start with
[23:14] <solarcloud> cant i use the grapohical screen ?
[23:15] <solarcloud> i've tried detecting screens etc..
[23:15] <solarcloud> the other one's did turn on , but just blank screens ..
[23:16] <solarcloud> what driver should i go with /
[23:16] <solarcloud> what driver should i go with ??
[23:16] <daftykins> solarcloud: yeah if you've opened nvidia-settings
[23:16] <daftykins> you need to enable 'twinview' somewhere around there
[23:16] <solarcloud> done that :)
[23:17] <daftykins> it should give you more screens on the monitor/display tab now
[23:18] <solarcloud> yes it does ..
[23:18] <solarcloud> twinview enabled.
[23:18] <daftykins> so then it should just be a case of fiddling with saying 'extend my desktop' or similar
[23:18] <solarcloud> must say, thank-you for all the help :)
[23:19] <daftykins> well, you see this might only work once
[23:19] <solarcloud> looking..
[23:19] <daftykins> if you reboot that PC, it'll probably change back to just one screen
[23:19] <daftykins> you see where it says "save to xorg.conf file" or similar?
[23:20] <solarcloud> yes
[23:21] <daftykins> if you hit save now, it'd probably fail
[23:21] <solarcloud> ok .. so..
[23:21] <daftykins> because it needs root permissions (do you know what root is?)
[23:21] <solarcloud> kinda .. alittle  .. sudo in front.
[23:21] <daftykins> so basically you need to repeat the same settings, but instead, to run nvidia-settings you need to run it as root
[23:21] <solarcloud> oh ok..
[23:21] <daftykins> yep, although because it's a graphical (GUI) prog it's gksudo
[23:21] <daftykins> so i'm not sure what version you're running
[23:21] <solarcloud> 12.10
[23:21] <daftykins> but alt+f2 usually runs a 'run' dialogue box
[23:22] <daftykins> so you can hit that and type in "gksudo nvidia-settings"
[23:22] <daftykins> and it'll run it as root, sorta
[23:23] <daftykins> is that working?
[23:23] <daftykins> i don't 100% know if alt+f2 at the desktop actually does run that 'run' dialogue anymore... i've not used quantal
[23:24] <solarcloud> yes .. same screen (but guess it's rootnow ?)
[23:24] <daftykins> yep
[23:24] <daftykins> so repeat the same settings that made it show a desktop on all 3 screens
[23:24] <solarcloud> do cancel the other one ?
[23:24] <daftykins> yep
[23:24] <solarcloud> k .. hangon...
[23:24] <daftykins> and hitting save to update xorg.conf should work fine
[23:26] <solarcloud> hangon .. so I've enabled twin view on other screens .. do i save now .. if so where /
[23:26] <solarcloud> ?
[23:26] <solarcloud> is it "Apply" ?
[23:27] <daftykins> apply just does it once i'm pretty sure
[23:27] <daftykins> there should be a save to xorg.conf in there too, hrmm
[23:27] <solarcloud> hangon...
[23:27] <daftykins> http://ourcraft.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nvidia-settings.png
[23:27] <daftykins> y'see like there, bottom right above quit
[23:27] <solarcloud> got it .. where do i save the file to ?
[23:28] <daftykins> it should automatically say /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:28] <solarcloud> ok
[23:31] <solarcloud> it doesn't , but i have found the X11 folder, but no xorg.conf .. any ideas ?
[23:31] <daftykins> typically there isn't one, but you can create one
[23:32] <solarcloud> oh ok .. sorry.
[23:32] <daftykins> then it should work fine on restarts
[23:32] <daftykins> nah that's ok, you don't know these things, they change all the time
[23:33] <solarcloud> ok .. done that (not sure wjhat I've done ... ) .. do I restart now or just log-out ?
[23:33] <daftykins> full restart to test it yeah
[23:34] <solarcloud> ... ok final Qu.  Is there anything else before restarting ... ?
[23:35] <daftykins> nope, saved and quit
[23:35] <solarcloud> k .. give us a mo. (not a monkey !)
[23:36] <daftykins> :)
[23:36] <daftykins> hopefully not month either ;)
[23:38] <solarcloud> .. ok i have the same screen with two 'grey' screens on either side .. (??)
[23:40] <solarcloud> daftykins, .. not a month, no .. see above.
[23:40] <daftykins> solarcloud: yeah just joking :)
[23:42] <solarcloud> daftykins,  As I said , .. ok i have the same screen with two 'grey' screens on either side .. (??)
[23:42] <solarcloud> do i need to enable anything else ?
[23:44]  * solarcloud puts on the kettle & listens to his BobMarley :)
[23:44] <daftykins> solarcloud: so it booted up without the other two? but you did get all 3 working just a moment ago?
[23:45] <solarcloud> no
[23:45] <solarcloud> .. it booted with other 2 being grey screens.
[23:46] <solarcloud> do i have tro load the xorg.config file or anything ?
[23:46] <solarcloud> ** do i have to ...
[23:46] <daftykins> hrmm
[23:46] <daftykins> tell you what
[23:46] <daftykins> if you open nvidia-settings now, do they all turn on?
[23:47] <solarcloud> does it have a giraffe in it ?
[23:47]  * solarcloud is  being silly .. hangfon..
[23:50] <solarcloud> nothing so far .. do i need to change anything specific to thevother screen settings ?
[23:50] <solarcloud> **the other ..
[23:52] <solarcloud> daftykins, It is getting late .. are you OK with this ?
[23:53] <daftykins> i think i might become useless very shortly!
[23:53] <daftykins> uhh
[23:54] <solarcloud> Aww .. please keep going .. you are my 'only hope' P.Leia  !!
[23:56] <daftykins> lets see
[23:57] <solarcloud> we could leave iut till tomorrow .. there's no rush my side
[23:58] <daftykins> okie dokie
[23:58] <daftykins> i started googling nvidia and quantic
[23:59] <daftykins> the ver of ubuntu you have, but i think it's just too new for me to be right now :(
[23:59] <daftykins> sorry i wasted your time
[23:59] <solarcloud> ok .. do youi know anyone else who can help ?