[08:41] hi all [09:59] good mornings [10:00] hello hello '-'// [10:05] afternoon [10:07] :) [10:41] afternoon [10:59] hi inetpro magespawn Squirm Cantide [11:00] afternoon Kilos [11:07] :) [11:07] I keep going AFK [11:07] then coming back [11:07] should be in and out for the next 30 minutes still [12:09] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/36318710/P1010008.JPG the finished lamp :) === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [12:45] nuvolari: How did you ever get used to this [12:45] Dvorak is hard [12:45] :( [12:51] hmm [12:52] just installed an Audigy... and no sound.. [12:58] used alsamixer, got sound out, need to test mic still [12:58] but now how can i get the sound settings icon in the systray/ [13:07] no need actually, i can just run it from the dash if i ever need it... now why isn't my mic working.. [14:01] good afternoon [14:01] hi Cantide [14:02] hey charl_ :) [14:02] i almost greeted ChanServ haha [14:02] yup happens :) first three letters are the same [14:05] :p [14:06] Hoe gaat het? [14:06] >.< === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [14:34] meh. ran out of international bandwidth at home [14:35] * Squirm loves an ssh tunnel [15:01] Squirm: ran out of bandwidth? why don't you have untapped? [15:02] idk [15:02] cause they have things called AUP's [16:26] Cantide: heel goed dank je, zelf? [16:27] :p [16:27] I am well :) [16:27] :) [16:27] I wanted to try some Dutch [16:27] not sure if i got it right :D [16:27] perfectly :) [16:27] '-';; [16:28] now i'm eating dinner [16:28] so partially afk [16:37] hmm one hand typing and other in the pap [16:39] Maaz, supper please [16:39] Kilos: Go get it yourself! [16:39] swine bot [16:39] Maaz, supper please [16:39] Kilos Spaghetti bolognaise is ready to be served [16:39] yoohoo [16:40] hahha [16:40] * Cantide high fives Maaz [16:41] first gotta give one a hard time [16:41] Maaz, swine [16:41] If you call me names Kilos you will make you're own coffee and do your own googling! [16:41] Maaz, sorry [16:41] Kilos, no reason to be sorry [17:02] hey all just got back and on my out again [17:03] later all [17:03] toods magespawn [17:09] hi theblazehen [17:09] hi kilos. [17:09] remember me ? [17:10] whew yeah from a while back hey? [17:10] where you been [17:10] yeah. I've just been busy with exams and stuff. I've now moved to Arch though [17:11] how is Arch? [17:11] i almost moved to Arch about a year ago [17:11] you like it? [17:11] but i stuck it out with ubuntu and grew to like it again [17:11] quite nice and not really difficult at all. I enjoy it alot [17:11] you gonne be here tomorrow evening at 19.30? [17:11] +Cantide perhaps you should install it in a VM?\ [17:11] monthly meeting [17:12] yeah sure. [17:12] maybe i will try it on a spare HDD [17:12] Good idea :) [17:12] i don't like trying things in VM [17:12] it's not the same.. [17:12] yeah me neither. [17:12] Kilos, I will try :p [17:13] Anyone wanna see my desktop ? [17:13] Cantide, dont try , do it [17:13] be here [17:13] :p [17:13] i might go out to see the Hobbit [17:13] theblazehen, me me me '-';; [17:13] ya theblazehen link? [17:13] http://imgur.com/a/iwh1G [17:14] What you think ? [17:14] eeeek [17:14] thats ugly [17:14] very nice background :) [17:15] :( why you say that Kilos ? [17:15] lol [17:15] Cantide thanks [17:15] im hooked on this kinda purple background [17:15] link ? [17:15] and the gray kde one [17:15] not sure which one... [17:16] theblazehen, looks good to me! [17:16] whew you gotta wait some i sukkel to get images somewhre [17:16] I would run that :) [17:16] theblazehen, do you have a link to your background? although i can only really use it if i run Arch lol [17:16] +Cantide thanks. How does yours look? [17:17] gimme a min [17:18] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/36318710/Screenshot.png like so... but my desktop is usually clean - just got some stuff on there while i sort my HDDs out [17:19] +cantide i dont have a link but I can upload a 1920x1080 or 1024x600 for you [17:19] how do i do this image thing Cantide [17:19] to where [17:20] +cantide http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lltzgnHi5F1qzib3wo1_400.jpg [17:20] *yawn*] [17:20] i took the pic of snow myself, too :) [17:20] +Kilos try apt-get install scrot [17:20] Kilos, I'm using dropbox... maybe you can use tinypic? [17:20] oh.. [17:20] +Cantide nice pic [17:20] or that :p [17:21] scrot will take SCReenshOT [17:21] theblazehen, 1920 x 1080 please :) [17:21] taking forever to get to imageshack [17:21] Ubuntu already has a screenshot app [17:21] which works nicely imho [17:21] http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img842/1083/66851625.png [17:21] but the uploading.. yeah.. that's up to Kilos :p [17:21] messy [17:22] +Cantide gimme a minute [17:22] hmm [17:22] * Squirm puts xubuntu on his netbook [17:22] i like lubuntu better for a netbook [17:23] yeah [17:23] lo Kerbero [17:23] not a fan of lxde [17:23] http://imgur.com/JteOA [17:23] also, be jealous of my lamp -> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/36318710/P1010008.JPG [17:23] so I'll try fxce first [17:23] don't really like it much either [17:23] but it's lighter than Mint [17:24] theblazehen, tyvm! saved on my desktop lol :p [17:24] +Kilos not really much differences between all unity desktop hey? [17:25] yeah i got hooked on the background with 8.10 [17:25] Kilos, your setup looks very vanilla :p [17:25] +Cantide no problem [17:25] whats vanilla apart from flavouring [17:25] unchanged, standard [17:26] unity ftw ... my system is also stock at the moment (then again it is another fresh install) [17:26] oh ya i dont mess with things [17:26] Kilos: why not? [17:26] on kde i got one workspace with a kiff background but forgot how i did it so other 9 are gray [17:27] mine is a fresh install + faenza icons [17:27] that's it... and a few apps of course [17:27] theblazehen, im scared i break things [17:27] +1 for faenza [17:27] this unity install has been very stable and reliable [17:27] hi nlsthzn [17:27] also, the guy that created faenza is creating some icons for ubuntu now :) [17:27] Kilos: dd if=/dev/sda of=external_hdd [17:28] how are you uncle Kilos , all [17:28] good ty nlsthzn and there [17:28] dont say always good [17:28] truth [17:28] sometimes good thanks [17:28] like now :p [17:28] you also get flu [17:28] arab flu [17:28] hehe [17:28] nlsthzn, yeah, i heard about that :) i bet 13.04 will look nice :) [17:29] yeah, about time [17:29] whew theblazehen im even more scared of dd commands [17:29] the fly says stay away from them [17:30] yeah. mixed them up once when I tried to restore from backup :/ [17:30] :\ [17:30] lol [17:30] i use the one to zero a drive and the one to copy mbr to another drive [17:31] ah. Ever use it for it's intended purpuse ... to Destroy Disk ? [17:31] I use it for writing ISO's to a flashdrive [17:31] along with indirectly using it to clone hdd's [17:31] I made my ubuntu iso 0kb when I got it the wrong way around :/ [17:32] with Clonezilla [17:32] lol nlsthzn [17:32] +Squirm tried that once with an iso from remastersys. didn't wokr [17:32] I did that with my Rasbian [17:32] theblazehen: works well [17:32] +Squirm how is the Pi ? [17:32] * Squirm shrugs [17:32] ok [17:32] haven't found much use for it [17:32] ever think of xbmc ? [17:33] xbmc is awesome on the pi [17:33] no need for it [17:33] it supports CEC [17:33] yeah [17:33] but it can't handle my media collection [17:33] +Kerbero why not? [17:33] that's the only issue, it's slow [17:34] but I see they come with 512Mb of RAM now :/ [17:34] I'm annoyed with that [17:34] mine is 512 [17:34] but it has a hardware bug [17:34] +Squirm TBH it's graphics is better than my netbook [17:34] crash when it heats up [17:34] +Kerbero Buy a small freezer [17:35] there is a board that supplements the Pi which interfaces with various things [17:35] wbb gotta go eat [17:35] so you can have it drive servos [17:35] or control something [17:35] which is really cool [17:36] i could put one in my lamp and have it connected to the internet so that i can control my lamp remotely! '-' [17:37] nah the pi is overkill for that [17:38] +cantide how about doing that with a video feed and let people on the internet turn it on and of [17:38] f [17:38] just use a avr+eth module [17:38] that would be fun :) [17:38] just need a pi, that board, a cam.. eh [17:38] Cantide: http://www.jpmeijers.com/powermeter/ [17:38] i use an arduino for that [17:38] also a bit overkill though [17:38] a pic would've worked fine [17:39] very nice :) [17:39] +Kerbero whats the cause for the daily electricity spike ? [17:39] geyser on a timer [17:40] ok [17:40] and whats up with weekly temperature [17:40] you can see on the daily graph i turned my computer on at 13:30 [17:41] and the hourly dips are the fridge [17:41] the temperature is normal as it is colder at night [17:41] * theblazehen facepalms [17:42] anyone hear about http://project-byzantium.org/ [17:42] ? [17:42] urgh, i'm still full of glitter from last night [17:43] +Kerbero what happened last night ? [17:43] /join #reddit [17:43] theblazehen: can never be to prepared for zombies [17:44] +nlsthzn I think its a nice concept that i would like to try out [17:45] theblazehen: MCQP [17:46] ok [17:47] i wonder what protocol byzatium uses [17:47] Think its on their about page [17:47] likely batman [17:48] "At this moment in time, Byzantium has packaged two mesh protocols for full-scale testing, Babel and BATMAN-advanced. Rather than quote their documentation verbatim I encourage you to take a look at the projects’ introductory documentation and see for yourselves why we chose these two protocols." [17:48] ahh ok [17:49] yeah. [17:49] i'm actually doing my masters on ad hoc networks [17:50] but on low speed telemetry networks [17:50] +Kerbero awesome. Can you please explain the basic differences between them ? [17:50] between mesh and ad-hoc? [17:50] or between the different protocols? [17:51] different mesh protocols [17:51] well mainly it has to do with what they use as metric [17:51] metric is the thing that gives weight or priority to routes/links [17:51] what do you mean by "what they use as metric" [17:51] oh [17:51] some will try to save power [17:52] while others will try and get the shortest path [17:52] some guarantees delivery with an extra overhead [17:52] while other go for speed [17:53] you can't have your cake and eat it [17:53] .:Cantide:. i could put one in my lamp and have it connected to the internet so that i can control my lamp remotely! '-' <<--- I'd use it to control my house remotely [17:53] but the computer scientists try to [17:53] .:Cantide:. there is a board that supplements the Pi which interfaces with various things <<--- Gertboard is one of them [17:53] Squirm, well that, too, but i need to start somewhere :p [17:53] Squirm: indeed that will be a better use for it [17:53] +Kerbero why can't they both save power and take the shortest path ? wouldn't taking the shortest path lead to less power usage as less power is used passing the message/ [17:53] Squirm, Gertboard is exactly what I was thinking of :) [17:53] .:Kerbero:. but it has a hardware bug <-- Try stick a small heatsink on the cpu? [17:53] theblazehen: going over a mountain vs going around [17:53] Squirm: i did :P [17:54] :P [17:54] ok I get it. (I think) [17:54] I saw someone stick and LMR90(Analogue Thermometer) onto the CPU and automatically control a cooling unit [17:54] if you use solar panels to power the nodes, going through a forest will be more costly as around it [17:54] was overkill, but cool to see it work [17:54] bbl, food [17:54] +Kerbero which one is BATMAN and which one is Babel. [17:55] i don't really know those two that well [17:55] +Kerbero. ok . Do you believe that mesh networks will be able to build an alternative to the internet freenet style [17:56] no [17:56] longer links = slower speed [17:57] there are internasional wireless ad-hoc networks up and running [17:57] but you can't use them for anything more than text messages [17:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_link_establishment [17:58] +Kerbero Thats why I mentioned freenet. Each user stores parts of websites and then others connect to them and ask for the part and if it's not available they ask the neext node [17:58] on small scale i can see that can work [17:59] but it won't scale that well [17:59] too much overhead [17:59] +Kerberos. Ok [17:59] and it also won't work for dynamic websites [17:59] well i have to go [17:59] chat later! [17:59] +Kerbero why would there be too much overhead ? [18:00] by Kerbero [18:00] hi :) [18:00] hi smile [18:00] hi en bye smile [18:00] Kerbero: :( [18:00] byeee :) [18:00] gaan hou vir jaendre geselskap [18:00] hi theblazehen :) [18:00] Kerbero: good night [18:00] hi :) [18:01] whats up? [18:01] anyone see http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ [18:01] google in the 60's [18:03] and tuesday evening at 8pm too theblazehen [18:03] reapp thing [18:03] Kilos: Ok [18:03] ty [18:03] reapp thing? [18:03] http://bit.ly/WtOUPl [18:05] +Kilos ok. BTW if it wasn't for Ubuntu and Kubntu CD's I would not be using linux today [18:05] nuvolari, ping [18:05] lol [18:05] Must say i didn't like gnome2 that much [18:05] oo i prefer it to everything [18:06] I see there is still some info missing, like how many people on IRC etc... do we have that someplace or should we remove the ???? [18:06] i liked gnome2 <3 [18:06] still run maverick on one pc [18:06] I remember having a 8.04 Kubuntu and a 9.04 ubuntu and i still used kubuntu [18:06] +Kilos why not mate ? [18:06] i dunno nlsthzn we change here so much [18:07] just something to keep in mind then before tuesday [18:07] i used mate here theblazehen but it stopped giving me sound on xchat so removed it [18:07] mate is good [18:07] kilos perhaps it broke something? [18:08] yeah theblazehen but finding what was too much work [18:08] so now we unity and kubuntu [18:08] Ah. [18:08] and maverick of course for serious stuff [18:09] personally i dont have much internet so im forced to fix stuff [18:09] me too [18:09] been a boon getting 8ta last bunch of months [18:10] there were times i stretched 100 meg a month [18:10] nlsthzn: I've got a sort of a list of people in Ubuntu-ZA over the last year or so, I need to fix it up though [18:10] hiya superfly [18:10] i HAVE A 10 gig CAP. [18:10] superfly: time is few :p [18:10] hi Kilos [18:11] nlsthzn: yeah, I know, but tomorrow is a public holiday here :-) [18:11] ah because today is a sunday... ah ok, nice [18:11] 10 G and you say you dont have much. hehe [18:11] ah, why am I typing ah so ah much [18:11] * superfly doesn't know how he'd survive on a cap anymore [18:12] murder hey superfly [18:12] +1 [18:12] +Kilos I like my torrents... Also it's for the whole family. [18:12] Ah, no wonder I'm not getting alerts here... I'm still logged in on my phone... [18:12] got to say the 1gb cap on my android is working out... very efficient use of info [18:12] lol [18:12] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/12/new-dash-icons-proposed-for-ubuntu-13-04 [18:12] but all the time with min data taught me how to stretch things [18:12] * superfly logs off his phone [18:12] that should work better [18:13] hope maia is here tomorrow evening [18:14] nlsthzn: with wifi at work and at home, my 500 meg databundle on my phone was just not being used, figured it was costing me more than just taking the R2/meg out-of-bundle [18:14] who's maia? [18:14] the LoCo co-ordinator [18:14] our team contact [18:14] maiatoday [18:14] +superfly why not cellc? they have R0.99 / MB [18:14] superfly: I am also finding I am not fully using my data... have the wifi at home and I am not allowed my phone at work :/ [18:14] +superfly+kilos ok [18:15] theblazehen: I've been on Vodacom for the last 10 years and I'm not lus to go to the effort of porting my number [18:15] thought it was easy ? [18:15] theblazehen: also, my phone is not the only one on my account [18:16] +superfly ok thats a bit more effort ... [18:16] theblazehen: I'd also have to find Cell C equivalents of the contracts myself and my wife have [18:16] +superfly ok [18:17] theblazehen: it's not like it's a huge cost every month... my and my wife's cellphone bills together almost never exceed R400/month [18:17] and without the data bundle, that'll be lowered to R250/month [18:17] ok. [18:17] superfly, you need a long leave [18:18] Also anyone see linux format is available at exclusive books? [18:18] theblazehen: aka, the effort to go to Cell C is likely far more hassle than the R3/month I'm saving going to Cell C [18:18] ok [18:18] lol [18:18] thats not much data. [18:18] theblazehen: never really bought those magazines, they go out of date too quickly [18:18] do you have sync disabled? [18:19] theblazehen: I don't have an Android [18:19] eeeek [18:19] +superfly yeah but the DVD's have nice stuff. [18:19] lol [18:19] theblazehen: that I can't download with my uncapped internet? [18:19] +superfly ok. I was wondering how you did it [18:19] * nlsthzn strokes his S3... there there... it will be ok... [18:19] +superfly true... [18:20] +nlsthzn I have S2 with CM10 [18:20] theblazehen: I *mostly* use the data on my phone for IRC and a little bit of browsing [18:20] the fly has a cool fone [18:20] * superfly has a REAL Linux phone [18:20] +superfly what phone do you have? meego? [18:20] theblazehen: Maemo, the N900 [18:20] theblazehen: running my s3 with a Resurrection Remix ROM.... gives me JB 4.1.2 with some 4.2 apps [18:20] +superfly ok [18:21] +nlsthzn ok. Never really understood why people choose non-AOSP ROM's. Any advantages as I might upgrade to 4.2 soon [18:22] RR is based on CM which is based on AOSP if I am not mistaken [18:22] inetpro, ping [18:22] hes gonna say we talk too much again [18:23] :) [18:23] hehe [18:23] +nlsthzn ok. Just wondering about RR vs CM [18:24] theblazehen: you don't need to add the + in front of our names [18:24] CM has to many holes with the S3 that they don't care to fix... so even with RR somethings aren't working and some things are wonky :/ [18:24] Just a habbit... [18:24] ah. whats wrong with the S3 [18:24] theblazehen: also, if you press the tab key, it can autocomplete nicks [18:25] from where theblazehen [18:25] kilos what do you mean ? [18:25]