[06:55] Good morning [08:04] good morning === _salem is now known as salem_ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:19] balloons, should we add a run-once testcase for re-installing, ideally changing desktop environments. it is very buggy in 12.10 in my experience [20:00] Noskcaj, what do you mean? [20:03] balloons, when you have any *buntu installed and you rn the installer of any that have the same architecture and version(e.g.12.10) you get the option to re-install ubuntu [20:03] we should be testing that [20:04] first time i did it in 12.10 it froze, second time it removed stuff like apt and the touchpad [20:05] this was xubuntu to lubuntu [20:07] Noskcaj, yes we have a re-install testcase now [20:07] not between flavors [20:07] oh [20:07] let me find it [20:07] and yes.. it was added this cycle for that reason [20:07] bugs last cycle :-) [20:08] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1471/info [20:08] different thing, ht i'm talking about is meant to keep all your stuff [20:08] *what [20:09] keeping home> [20:09] yes, that's in there [20:09] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1470/info [20:10] http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu1210installation-large_003.jpg [20:11] ooh, sorry, that is pretty much what i meant [20:11] but i don't think manual partitioning is necessary and it should keep installed apps as well [20:13] what do you mean? [20:13] those two cases cover the scenarios I think [20:13] if they don't then, :-) We can make sure it's covered [20:14] as you can see in the photo it is meant to keep apps, settings and any files the same [20:15] howdy [20:15] howdy [20:15] we're talking about the re-install stuff [20:15] the testcases for it [20:16] oh! what's the matter ? [20:17] i will repost the basics for letozaf_ to see [20:17] http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu1210installation-large_003.jpg [20:17] i don't think manual partitioning is necessary and it should keep installed apps, setting and files as well [20:18] the current testcase is at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1470/info [20:19] well I think the only way to be sure is to try it out on a VM [20:20] have you guys already tried it? [20:20] nope, i just know its really buggy in 12.10 [20:20] first time i did it in 12.10 it froze, second time it removed stuff like apt and the touchpad. this was xubuntu to lubuntu [20:20] buggy? where? [20:20] so i did a clean install [20:21] i think swapping desktop environments may have done it [20:23] Now that I think about it saturday I carried out this test and it was ok [20:23] did you have any programs installed, or changed settings? [20:23] and was that just ubuntu to ubuntu [20:24] I started from a clean install, created a folder on the desktop and browsed a fiew sites [20:24] when I reinstalled like indicated in the testcase and rebooted [20:24] the file was still there and the browser's history too [20:25] sorry.. [20:25] * balloons reads backlog [20:25] too many channels [20:25] :-D [20:25] ok, so the testcase isn't quite covering everything [20:25] ok, so yes as letozaf_ said, Ire-install should work [20:26] Noskcaj, your saying if you have a true /home partition and you re-install it's not working for you? [20:26] that's something I do quite often actually [20:26] if I'm ever re-installing (say my main box), I just re-use my home [20:26] never had issues with it [20:26] I also often reinstall Ubuntu and keep my home [20:27] so the question is, what about the 2 testcases don't cover that scenario [20:27] or am I missing something, and you have a different scenario? [20:27] the switching flavors I don't believe should cause an issue, but I wouldn't do it via the re-install [20:27] if Noskcaj tells us the details we can try to reproduce his problem [20:27] manual partitioning preserving home should work [20:28] maybe there is something "strange" we do not know about, maybe he found a new bug... [20:29] so i had xubuntu on for maybe 2 months, many settings changed, apps added and 50gb of iso's and movies. and i have told you the rest already [20:30] i will be back soon, need food [20:30] well I always reinstall Ubuntu I never tried with xubuntu, maybe we could try to see if xbuntu behaves differently [20:31] I agree switching flavors via re-install might cause an issue [20:31] the question is, is it a "supported" idea or not [20:31] ok Noskcaj grab some chow, I'll be around [20:31] chow ? [20:31] we haven't got that in Itlay, I think ... [20:32] thought I'd try a new word for food.. [20:32] see if letozaf_ got confused or not ;-p [20:32] google say's chow is a dog ... lol [20:33] lol [20:33] it's slang for food [20:33] in general.. [20:33] yeah got it ... now! [20:33] it's pronounced like ciao [20:33] which is fun [20:33] oh! that's weired :-D [20:34] so when I say hallo to someone in Italian he might think I said food [20:34] well if he is english :) [20:34] I mean american or ozzy [20:36] haha [20:36] I think ciao is fairly well recognized by american english speakers [20:37] I was joking :) just having fun === jackson__ is now known as Noskcaj [20:42] letozaf_, its aussie [20:44] oh !!! sorry !!! [20:44] think I got confused with ozzy osbourne , maybe lol [20:45] ok? [20:45] lol.. [20:45] well, your from nz [20:45] we would call that land of oz [20:45] or perhaps ozzy [20:46] :) [20:46] balloons, to all of that; WTF? [20:46] Noskcaj, I've no idea mate [20:47] lost in translation.. [20:47] so your test issues [20:47] just make the testcase include settings changes, extra apps and ideally desktop changes [20:48] also remove the need for manual partitioning [20:48] so you want things added to the "make changes portion" [20:48] right now, it's about browsing history and installing some stuff I believe [20:48] suggestions for other things? [20:48] wallpaper? [20:50] it doesn't make any difference [20:50] yeah, i hadn't thought of that, wallpaper, maybe conky on the desktop as i can see that causing issues [20:50] I mean that whatever change, there are so many .. [20:50] as long as the testcase doesn't become too long [20:51] letozaf_, it won't at worst it will just become "run this script" then after the reinstall, "run another script [20:51] maybe we could install an application and change a setting and see if that is still there after reboot [20:51] so mearg automated testing and the iso's [20:52] *merge [21:01] and everyone goes silent for some reason [21:02] oh! sorry ... [21:03] ok the merge stuff sounds good [21:03] i have a basic script made that need finishing by people who know stuff about the command line [21:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1446068/ is my very basic attempt [21:05] let's see it, not sure I'm the right person to help, but never know... [21:06] letozaf_, thanks, now i just need someone to confirm they are still there after the reinstall [21:13] * letozaf_ trying to see what I can do [21:14] so you know youtube-dl is a tiny command line package for downloading videos off the internet, it is very easy to test the presence of [21:18] you mean you want to test it's presence by using it ? [21:18] I was thinking of checking if it still was installed [21:18] that would be one way, i'm not entirely sure [21:18] second idea is better [21:19] not sure I can change settings using command line [21:19] but I can check if a file created still exists [21:19] either way, its a small program. which will help [21:19] letozaf_, close enough. there must be some setting change-able [21:20] maybe by editing a file? [21:21] no with if [ -f /tmp/file1 ] && [ -f /tmp/file2 ] && [ -f /tmp/file3 ] && [ -f /tmp/file4 ] [21:21] i have to go now, i will leave xchat open to hear what people say [21:21] and WTF is that === Noskcaj is now known as Noskcaj_school [21:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1446104/ [21:23] much better, that will help [21:23] bye [21:32] sorry, had an interruption [21:32] had to be afk for a few [21:33] Noskcaj_school, I can do this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1446125/ [21:34] do not know how to change settings using command line [21:37] letozaf_, that would work, but the files in /tmp, by design would no longer be there [21:37] yes you're right! forgot about reboot [21:37] because /tmp empties reboot [21:37] ;-) [21:37] so we will put them in /home [21:37] yes [21:39] do not know how to do the settings stuff, maye if we find some .config files to check or something like that [21:43] I'm going to bed now guys... if you need, send me an email I will read it tomorrow morning :-D [21:43] letozaf_, good night [21:43] not sure how the script idea works out, but if we want to use one, what you've done is an excellent sart [21:43] *start [21:44] balloons, thanks :) [21:44] good night! === salem_ is now known as _salem === ara is now known as Guest40446