[06:55] <pitti> Good morning
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[19:19] <Noskcaj> balloons, should we add a run-once testcase for re-installing, ideally changing desktop environments. it is very buggy in 12.10 in my experience
[20:00] <balloons> Noskcaj, what do you mean?
[20:03] <Noskcaj> balloons, when you have any *buntu installed and you rn the installer of any that have the same architecture and version(e.g.12.10) you get the option to re-install ubuntu
[20:03] <Noskcaj> we should be testing that
[20:04] <Noskcaj> first time i did it in 12.10 it froze, second time it removed stuff like apt and the touchpad
[20:05] <Noskcaj> this was xubuntu to lubuntu
[20:07] <balloons> Noskcaj, yes we have a re-install testcase now
[20:07] <balloons> not between flavors
[20:07] <Noskcaj> oh
[20:07] <balloons> let me find it
[20:07] <balloons> and yes.. it was added this cycle for that reason
[20:07] <balloons> bugs last cycle :-)
[20:08] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1471/info
[20:08] <Noskcaj> different thing, ht i'm talking about is meant to keep all your stuff
[20:08] <Noskcaj> *what
[20:09] <balloons> keeping home>
[20:09] <balloons> yes, that's in there
[20:09] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1470/info
[20:10] <Noskcaj> http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu1210installation-large_003.jpg
[20:11] <Noskcaj> ooh, sorry, that is pretty much what i meant
[20:11] <Noskcaj> but i don't think manual partitioning is necessary and it should keep installed apps as well
[20:13] <balloons> what do you mean?
[20:13] <balloons> those two cases cover the scenarios I think
[20:13] <balloons> if they don't then, :-) We can make sure it's covered
[20:14] <Noskcaj> as you can see in the photo it is meant to keep apps, settings and any files the same
[20:15] <letozaf_> howdy
[20:15] <balloons> howdy
[20:15] <balloons> we're talking about the re-install stuff
[20:15] <balloons> the testcases for it
[20:16] <letozaf_> oh! what's the matter ?
[20:17] <Noskcaj> i will repost the basics for letozaf_ to see
[20:17] <Noskcaj> http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu1210installation-large_003.jpg
[20:17] <Noskcaj>  i don't think manual partitioning is necessary and it should keep installed apps, setting and files as well
[20:18] <Noskcaj> the current testcase is at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1470/info
[20:19] <letozaf_> well I think the only way to be sure is to try it out on a VM
[20:20] <letozaf_> have you guys already tried it?
[20:20] <Noskcaj> nope, i just know its really buggy in 12.10
[20:20] <Noskcaj> first time i did it in 12.10 it froze, second time it removed stuff like apt and the touchpad. this was xubuntu to lubuntu
[20:20] <letozaf_> buggy? where?
[20:20] <Noskcaj> so i did a clean install
[20:21] <Noskcaj> i think swapping desktop environments may have done it
[20:23] <letozaf_> Now that I think about it saturday I carried out this test and it was ok
[20:23] <Noskcaj> did you have any programs installed, or changed settings?
[20:23] <Noskcaj> and was that just ubuntu to ubuntu
[20:24] <letozaf_> I started from a clean install, created a folder on the desktop and browsed a fiew sites
[20:24] <letozaf_> when I reinstalled like indicated in the testcase and rebooted
[20:24] <letozaf_> the file was still there and the browser's history too
[20:25] <balloons> sorry..
[20:25]  * balloons reads backlog
[20:25] <balloons> too many channels
[20:25] <letozaf_> :-D
[20:25] <Noskcaj> ok, so the testcase isn't quite covering everything
[20:25] <balloons> ok, so yes as letozaf_ said, Ire-install should work
[20:26] <balloons> Noskcaj, your saying if you have a true /home partition and you re-install it's not working for you?
[20:26] <balloons> that's something I do quite often actually
[20:26] <balloons> if I'm ever re-installing (say my main box), I just re-use my home
[20:26] <balloons> never had issues with it
[20:26] <letozaf_> I also often reinstall Ubuntu and keep my home
[20:27] <balloons> so the question is, what about the 2 testcases don't cover that scenario
[20:27] <balloons> or am I missing something, and you have a different scenario?
[20:27] <balloons> the switching flavors I don't believe should cause an issue, but I wouldn't do it via the re-install
[20:27] <letozaf_> if Noskcaj tells us the details we can try to reproduce his problem
[20:27] <balloons> manual partitioning preserving home should work
[20:28] <letozaf_> maybe there is something "strange" we do not know about, maybe he found  a new bug...
[20:29] <Noskcaj> so i had xubuntu on for maybe 2 months, many settings changed, apps added and 50gb of iso's and movies. and i have told you the rest already
[20:30] <Noskcaj> i will be back soon, need food
[20:30] <letozaf_> well I always reinstall Ubuntu  I never tried with xubuntu, maybe we could try to see if xbuntu behaves differently
[20:31] <balloons> I agree switching flavors via re-install might cause an issue
[20:31] <balloons> the question is, is it a "supported" idea or not
[20:31] <balloons> ok Noskcaj grab some chow, I'll be around
[20:31] <letozaf_> chow ?
[20:31] <letozaf_> we haven't got that in Itlay, I think ...
[20:32] <balloons> thought I'd try a new word for food..
[20:32] <balloons> see if letozaf_ got confused or not ;-p
[20:32] <letozaf_> google say's chow is a dog ... lol
[20:33] <balloons> lol
[20:33] <balloons> it's slang for food
[20:33] <balloons> in general..
[20:33] <letozaf_> yeah got it ... now!
[20:33] <balloons> it's pronounced like ciao
[20:33] <balloons> which is fun
[20:33] <letozaf_> oh! that's weired :-D
[20:34] <letozaf_> so when I say hallo to someone in Italian he might think I said food
[20:34] <letozaf_> well if he is english :)
[20:34] <letozaf_> I mean american or ozzy
[20:36] <balloons> haha
[20:36] <balloons> I think ciao is fairly well recognized by american english speakers
[20:37] <letozaf_> I was joking  :) just having fun
[20:42] <Noskcaj> letozaf_, its aussie
[20:44] <letozaf_> oh !!! sorry !!!
[20:44] <letozaf_> think I got confused with ozzy osbourne , maybe lol
[20:45] <Noskcaj> ok?
[20:45] <balloons> lol..
[20:45] <balloons> well, your from nz
[20:45] <balloons> we would call that land of oz
[20:45] <balloons> or perhaps ozzy
[20:46] <letozaf_> :)
[20:46] <Noskcaj> balloons, to all of that; WTF?
[20:46] <balloons> Noskcaj, I've no idea mate
[20:47] <balloons> lost in translation..
[20:47] <balloons> so your test issues
[20:47] <Noskcaj> just make the testcase include settings changes, extra apps and ideally desktop changes
[20:48] <Noskcaj> also remove the need for manual partitioning
[20:48] <balloons> so you want things added to the "make changes portion"
[20:48] <balloons> right now, it's about browsing history and installing some stuff I believe
[20:48] <balloons> suggestions for other things?
[20:48] <balloons> wallpaper?
[20:50] <letozaf_> it doesn't make any difference
[20:50] <Noskcaj> yeah, i hadn't thought of that, wallpaper, maybe conky on the desktop as i can see that causing issues
[20:50] <letozaf_> I mean that whatever change, there are so many ..
[20:50] <letozaf_> as long as the testcase doesn't become too long
[20:51] <Noskcaj> letozaf_, it won't at worst it will just become "run this script" then after the reinstall, "run another script
[20:51] <letozaf_> maybe we could install an application and change a setting and see if that is  still there after reboot
[20:51] <Noskcaj> so mearg automated testing and the iso's
[20:52] <Noskcaj> *merge
[21:01] <Noskcaj> and everyone goes silent for some reason
[21:02] <letozaf_> oh! sorry ...
[21:03] <letozaf_> ok the merge stuff sounds good
[21:03] <Noskcaj> i have a basic script made that need finishing by people who know stuff about the command line
[21:05] <Noskcaj> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1446068/ is my very basic attempt
[21:05] <letozaf_> let's see it, not sure I'm the right person to help, but never know...
[21:06] <Noskcaj> letozaf_, thanks, now i just need someone to confirm they are still there after the reinstall
[21:13]  * letozaf_ trying to see what I can do
[21:14] <Noskcaj> so you know youtube-dl is a tiny command line package for downloading videos off the internet, it is very easy to test the presence of
[21:18] <letozaf_> you mean you want to test it's presence by using it ?
[21:18] <letozaf_> I was thinking of checking if it still was installed
[21:18] <Noskcaj> that would be one way, i'm not entirely sure
[21:18] <Noskcaj> second idea is better
[21:19] <letozaf_> not sure I can change settings using command line
[21:19] <letozaf_> but I can check if a file created still exists
[21:19] <Noskcaj> either way, its a small program. which will help
[21:19] <Noskcaj> letozaf_, close enough. there must be some setting change-able
[21:20] <Noskcaj> maybe by editing a file?
[21:21] <letozaf_> no with if [ -f /tmp/file1 ] && [ -f /tmp/file2 ] && [ -f /tmp/file3 ] && [ -f /tmp/file4 ]
[21:21] <Noskcaj> i have to go now, i will leave xchat open to hear what people say
[21:21] <Noskcaj> and WTF is that
[21:22] <letozaf_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1446104/
[21:23] <Noskcaj_school> much better, that will help
[21:23] <Noskcaj_school> bye
[21:32] <balloons> sorry, had an interruption
[21:32] <balloons> had to be afk for a few
[21:33] <letozaf_> Noskcaj_school, I can do this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1446125/
[21:34] <letozaf_> do not know how to change settings using command line
[21:37] <balloons> letozaf_, that would work, but the files in /tmp, by design would no longer be there
[21:37] <letozaf_> yes you're right! forgot about reboot
[21:37] <balloons> because /tmp empties reboot
[21:37] <balloons> ;-)
[21:37] <letozaf_> so we will put them in /home
[21:37] <balloons> yes
[21:39] <letozaf_> do not know how to do the settings stuff, maye if we find some .config files to check  or something like that
[21:43] <letozaf_> I'm going to bed now guys... if you need,  send me an email I will read it tomorrow morning :-D
[21:43] <balloons> letozaf_, good night
[21:43] <balloons> not sure how the script idea works out, but if we want to use one, what you've done is an excellent sart
[21:43] <balloons> *start
[21:44] <letozaf_> balloons, thanks :)
[21:44] <letozaf_> good night!