[05:39] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:40]  * inetpro wonders what Kilos was looking for
[05:46] <Kilos> morning all
[05:54] <inetpro> ah wb Kilos
[05:54] <inetpro> and good morning
[05:55] <inetpro> oh and pong
[05:55] <Kilos> hi inetpro wb to you not me
[05:55] <Kilos> hehe
[05:55] <inetpro> haha
[05:55]  * inetpro been here earlier already
[05:55] <Kilos> you wanna give me the correct info to tweet inetpro ?
[05:56] <inetpro> hmm....
[05:56] <inetpro> like what?
[05:56] <Kilos> ja man but you pong a day late
[05:57] <Squirm> nice being able to wake up later than usual
[05:57] <Kilos> about tonights meet with agenda and minute links
[05:57] <Kilos> i see agenda up top
[05:58] <inetpro> Reminder: Monthly meeting this evening at 19:30 on IRC-freenode #ubuntu-za. Agenda: http://bit.ly/T0K4ry
[05:58] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean something like that ^^ ?
[05:59] <Kilos> yes ty. is that all?
[06:00] <inetpro> Kilos: what more do you want?
[06:01] <inetpro> you can tweet more later
[06:01] <Kilos> whew
[06:04] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[06:04] <Kilos> yw
[06:05] <Kilos> i thought you had gone away for the weekend
[06:07] <Kilos> hi SeeBorg 
[06:08] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:09] <Kilos> i see you are still in Beta so things can just get better
[06:12] <theblazehen> hi kilos yeah just started him up last night
[06:12] <Kilos> ah hi theblazehen morning to you
[06:12] <theblazehen> you too
[06:12] <Kilos> thats good
[06:13] <theblazehen> did you talk to him?
[06:13] <Kilos> nope
[06:13] <theblazehen> ok. I set him to not say anything
[06:13] <Kilos> only saw him now for the first time
[06:14] <theblazehen> ah ok
[06:14] <Kilos> is he a bot?
[06:14] <theblazehen> yeah a learning chatbot
[06:15] <Kilos> do you do python programming?
[06:15] <theblazehen> not really. I onlt know the basics
[06:15] <theblazehen> only*
[06:16] <theblazehen> On saturday I made a program in C++ to change my display brightness
[06:17] <Kilos> clever hey?
[06:17] <theblazehen> It's just a wxSliderand wriite to file though
[06:18] <theblazehen> back in 10 min
[06:36] <theblazehen> im back
[06:36] <Kilos> hehe
[06:37] <theblazehen> you know I went to a larger channel yesterday and I bet SeeBorg would fit right in...
[06:38] <Kilos> theblazehen, have you joined our mailing list?
[06:38] <theblazehen> nope... where?
[06:38] <Kilos> sec i find it
[06:39] <Kilos> ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[06:39] <theblazehen> so what do i do? just send it a mail?
[06:40] <Kilos> sec i gotta think
[06:40] <Kilos> you join somehow
[06:40] <theblazehen> yeah...
[06:40] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to join ubuntu-za mailing list
[06:40] <Maaz> Kilos: "ubuntu-za Info Page" https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za :: "[ubuntu-za] Electrical Design Software/GIS/iTunes" https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2011-February/007213.html :: "Mailing Lists - Ubuntu" https://lists.ubuntu.com/ :: "[ubuntu-za] Launcher icons" https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2012-May/008926.html ::
[06:40] <Maaz> "[ubuntu-za] Continual error message in top right screen" https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubun…
[06:41]  * inetpro wbbl
[06:41] <Kilos> k inetpro 
[06:41] <theblazehen> I found it
[06:42] <Kilos> nice im struggling some today
[06:43] <theblazehen> ok I subscribed.
[06:43] <Kilos> good
[06:43] <theblazehen> Now to deal with the mess of an inbox I call gmail
[06:43] <Kilos> what a pain that can be hey?
[06:44] <theblazehen> yeah... I should clean it out sometime
[06:44] <Kilos> i just keep important ones and limit who i get mails from
[06:45] <theblazehen> good idea.
[06:45] <Kilos> and evolution only fetches new mails
[06:46] <theblazehen> nice
[06:47] <theblazehen> have you seen http://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn ? Some nice desktops there...
[06:47] <Kilos> i didnt enjoy thunderbird much, and evo can make its own backup of settings etc
[06:47] <theblazehen> I'll try it sometime then.
[06:52] <Kilos> hi timkeller 
[06:52] <Kilos> this one i like
[06:52] <Kilos> http://ompldr.org/vZ3A5Mw/desk.png
[06:53] <theblazehen> It is pretty good
[06:56] <Kilos> only on unity if i changed mine it shows on all desktops where kde can have each desktop with a different one
[06:57] <theblazehen> I don't get what you mean ?
[06:57] <Kilos> workspaces
[06:57] <theblazehen> ah. nice
[06:57] <Kilos> as in unity comes out with for as default
[06:57] <Kilos> 4
[06:58] <theblazehen> yeah...
[06:58] <Squirm> Kilos: do you use Compiz?
[06:58] <Kilos> im too old to enjoy the minimizing thing
[06:58] <Kilos> i dunno Squirm 
[06:59] <Squirm> open a terminal and type `ccsm`
[06:59] <Squirm> if you do it should open the settings manager
[06:59] <Squirm> Compiz allows you to set a different wallpaper for each workspace
[07:00] <Squirm> a quick google
[07:00] <Squirm> http://askubuntu.com/questions/135230/different-background-or-wallpaper-per-workspace-ubuntu-12-04
[07:00] <Kilos> not installed it says
[07:01] <Kilos> ah ty Squirm 
[07:40] <Kilos> dont work Squirm 
[07:40] <Kilos> never mind
[07:41] <Kilos> doesnt get to the show desktop thing
[07:41] <Kilos> ill play with desktops on kde
[07:42]  * Squirm shrugs
[07:44] <Kilos> lol np ill leave 12.04 default while its working
[07:44] <Kilos> tim having probs with connection again
[07:45] <magespawn> morning all
[07:49] <Squirm> hi magespawn 
[07:49] <magespawn> hey Squirm
[07:49] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[07:50] <magespawn> Kilos you've been busy today already
[07:50] <Kilos> ya
[08:10] <magespawn> superfly i have had no luck w8th updating the new package manager for the n900. any ideas?
[08:11] <superfly> magespawn: not a clue, I'm afraid. Mine works fine
[08:11] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[08:13] <magespawn> k will see what i can find
[08:13] <magespawn> reading time
[08:18] <superfly> hi Kilos
[08:45] <charl_> good morning
[09:03] <magespawn> hey charl_ 
[09:04] <magespawn> timkeller is a bit like a yo y9
[09:14] <nuvolari> o/
[09:15] <nuvolari> mornings everyone
[09:15] <nuvolari> time to prepare
[09:15]  * nuvolari cracks his knuckles
[09:15] <nuvolari> *nuckles
[09:15] <nuvolari> ?
[09:15] <nuvolari> *knuckles
[09:16] <nlsthzn> morning nuvolari 
[09:17] <nlsthzn> your photo's are coming along nicely... pity the native sphere for android not that good yet
[09:19] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: thanks! :> I made 1 with the Android that came out pretty nice actually
[09:22] <nlsthzn> saw that one I think... but the last few are very good... like the way the trees stand out, looks shopped :)
[09:25] <nuvolari> I'm just struggling to find the best zoom 
[09:26] <nuvolari> I messed up the focus on the last one
[09:26] <nuvolari> it was too close so the objects in the distance is out of focus, but the nice thing is that with the stereographic projection it looks like it should be like that
[09:30] <nlsthzn> :)
[09:39] <magespawn> hey nuvolari nlsthzn 
[09:42] <nlsthzn> morning Maaz 
[09:42] <nlsthzn> >.<
[09:42] <nlsthzn> morning magespawn 
[09:43] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn 
[09:44] <nuvolari> argh :-/
[09:44] <nuvolari> how can I insert bullet points in the loco wiki?
[10:02] <charl_> hi magespawn
[10:02] <charl_> wow timkeller is sitting on a bad network :(
[10:02] <magespawn> not sure nuvolari i think inetpro did mine
[10:03] <charl_> nuvolari: link?
[10:06] <nuvolari> charl_: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/506/detail/
[10:06] <nuvolari> I found it 
[10:06] <nuvolari> just need an empty line between items
[10:07] <nuvolari> which is weird :-/
[10:07] <nuvolari> hmm, I wonder whether we need more photo's...
[10:07] <nuvolari> there's a lot of pics in the existing album 
[10:08] <charl_> weird wiki, no obvious links to documentation on formatting
[10:08] <charl_> oh well, you got it right :)
[10:09] <nuvolari> does anyone know who has access to the mailing list stats?
[10:11] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: wouldn't the list admin perhaps have access to it|
[10:11] <nlsthzn> ?
[10:13] <theblazehen>  /join #alife
[10:18] <nuvolari> ooh, nice! We have a good number of reports for 2012 compared to 2011 and 2010
[10:19] <nuvolari> thanks for that nlsthzn :>
[10:20] <nlsthzn> just trying to help.. feels insignificant vs all others are doing however
[10:25] <nuvolari> well, everyone needs a thank you
[10:25] <nuvolari> there's no I in loco team :P
[10:42] <nuvolari> I've added the 2 Ubuntu Hour meetings we had in the last 2 years that I could recall
[10:47] <nuvolari> :> Just read the testimonials
[10:47] <nuvolari> friggin awesome
[10:47] <nuvolari> and sad that I can't be around more often to provide a helping hand
[11:21] <nlsthzn> +1
[11:26] <mazal> Afternoon all
[12:04] <magespawn> later all
[12:09] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, just checking in to make sure you're not always the oldest chatter around... 
[12:30] <zeref> hi tumbleweed: i'm trying to build a package of mine on another computer but i get a running debsign failed: i moved my .gnupg folder from the other computer to the new one but still the same error.
[12:30] <zeref> should i create a new key and link it with my launchpad account
[12:30] <zeref> ?
[13:19] <nuvolari> oh come on!! :-(
[13:19] <nuvolari> why does flash always have to be the only app causing issues during upgrade?
[13:20] <Cantide> i have blue videos again .-.
[13:20] <Cantide> silly flash :/
[14:02] <tumbleweed> zeref: I recommend avoiding creating new keys where possible
[14:02] <tumbleweed> once published no keyservers, gpg keys are there forever
[14:15] <Kilos> afternoon all. been busy with visits from brother and old buddy that moved to aus in 96
[14:15] <Kilos> hi nuvolari , jy reg vir more?
[14:17] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[14:17] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[14:17] <Kilos> just checking
[14:43] <nlsthzn> guys, the family and I have been invited out for dinner so I doubt I will make the meeting tonight... I will check the logs however and I am still on to make it to the re-submission tomorrow (just need to check the time) 
[14:43] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn enjoy
[14:43] <nlsthzn> will do (and if I eat quickly I will be here :p)_
[14:47] <Kilos> lol
[15:25] <Vince-0> hay!
[15:25] <Vince-0> guess what - installing fedora 17 over ubuntu just to try at work
[15:25] <Squirm> :(
[15:25] <Kilos> lol
[15:25] <Squirm> I had Fedora 16
[15:25] <Squirm> didn't like it at all
[15:26] <Vince-0> got way better battery survival on ubuntu recently with nvidia drivers but the hdmi out is an issue
[15:26] <Vince-0> gome3 is pretty
[15:26] <Squirm> and I really don't like gnome 3
[15:26] <Vince-0> aw
[15:27] <Kilos> hey theblazehen you hanging in here hey
[15:27] <Kilos> well doner
[15:27] <Kilos> done too
[15:43] <magespawn> afternoon all
[15:43] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[15:46] <magespawn> all ready for tonight?
[15:46] <inetpro> no
[15:46] <Kilos> aw wassup inetpro 
[15:46] <Kilos> what isnt ready
[15:46]  * inetpro tired :-)
[15:47] <Kilos> aw what you been doing
[15:47] <inetpro> running around away from home
[15:47] <inetpro> with family
[15:47] <inetpro> but I shall try to be present
[15:48] <inetpro> tonight
[15:48] <Kilos> good ty
[15:48] <Kilos> have lotsa coffee till meeting over
[15:48] <inetpro> lol
[15:48] <Kilos> anyone heard from maia?
[15:49] <inetpro> Kilos: send her an email
[15:49] <Kilos> ok
[15:51] <Kilos> hehe you think she will get it onna fone
[15:52] <Kilos> we'll see
[15:52] <Kilos> hi superfly , you gonna be here hey?
[15:52] <Kilos> and tumbleweed 
[15:53] <superfly> Kilos: if I'm not too sick
[15:53] <inetpro> ai
[15:53] <Kilos> ah no superfly take double meds and suck thatbottle thing
[15:53] <Kilos> um
[15:54] <Kilos> the pump goodie
[15:55] <Kilos> hope its not a cortizone one
[15:55] <Kilos> or just now you will look like arnie
[16:15] <magespawn> superfly no luck with the spplication manager or the dep downloads
[16:15] <magespawn> and what are you sick with?
[16:16] <magespawn> maybe you should not come to the meeting, might make the rest of us sick too
[16:17] <Kilos> shame magespawn 
[16:17] <Kilos> our fly be struggling
[16:23] <Kilos> you guys got time for a 1 hour nap before meeting
[16:28]  * Kilos wbb now now
[16:58] <Kilos> i hope we get some new faces here tonight
[17:00] <SmilyBorg> Hey Kilos
[17:01] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg you ok?
[17:01] <Kilos> been away long time
[17:01] <SmilyBorg> I'll probably be around for the meeting. Not likely to be too talkative though
[17:01] <SmilyBorg> I'm surviving hey. I've had a bad few weeks
[17:01] <Kilos> ty for being here at least
[17:01] <Kilos> aw
[17:02] <Kilos> i go eat quick
[17:03] <SmilyBorg> had 3 car accidents, 2 were in the same day, my grandmother passed away on friday after beening ill for quite a while and my girlfriend is away at a spa for a week
[17:03] <SmilyBorg> I sould grab some food too
[17:09] <magespawn> hectic SmilyBorg if we can do something say
[17:10] <SmilyBorg> thanks magespawn. nothing at the moment. thanks
[17:12] <nuvolari> meh! :( I am failing to set up a Billion router as a wireless AP
[17:12] <nuvolari> I have my wireless AP set up nicely back home, and I can kick myself for not bringing it with :-/
[17:15] <magespawn> nuvolari: is the billion the router and adsl modem too?
[17:15] <nuvolari> magespawn: yeah
[17:16] <nuvolari> It doesn't seem like I can configure it like my wireless AP
[17:17] <magespawn> should be able to
[17:18] <magespawn> what is it not doing?
[17:20] <Kilos> aw smilesorry to hear that
[17:21] <Kilos> you onns fone thing magespawn ?
[17:21] <Kilos> onna
[17:22] <magespawn> no pc tonight
[17:22] <nuvolari> magespawn: well, I can see all the other devices on the network, but I want to share the internet connection that is provided via my USB modem on my laptop
[17:22] <Kilos> found another frightening tool
[17:22] <Kilos> hdparm
[17:22] <nuvolari> I can't seem to get the gateway set up correctly
[17:23] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[17:23] <Kilos> aw
[17:23] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[17:23] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed oom Kilos ?
[17:23] <Kilos> ja dankie en jy nuvolari ?
[17:23] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom 
[17:23] <Kilos> mooi
[17:23] <magespawn> so the billion is not the gateway? but is the ip router?
[17:23] <theblazehen> hi everyone
[17:23] <nuvolari> magespawn: yeah
[17:24] <Kilos> hi magtie theblazehen 
[17:24] <magespawn> hi theblazehen
[17:24] <nuvolari> hi magtie 
[17:24] <nuvolari> welcome
[17:24] <magtie> hi evryone
[17:24] <nuvolari> eek, i need to open up the agenda quick
[17:25] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[17:25] <nuvolari> hallo bytjie
[17:25] <Kilos> wb
[17:25] <superfly> nuvolari: I'm busy working on a new track
[17:25] <maiatoday> Hi all
[17:26] <nuvolari> superfly: ooh... with FL Studio?
[17:26] <maiatoday> Wifi may be dodgy sorry if I appear and disappear 
[17:26] <magespawn> nuvolari: not sure but i think you have to check the gateway settings on the other devices they might default to the router as it is the server
[17:26] <magespawn> hi maiatoday
[17:27] <superfly> nuvolari: ja, FL Studio 10 works nicely in WINE
[17:27] <nuvolari> magespawn: that's exactly what happens :-/
[17:27] <Kerbero> Hmm, vergadering tyd? 
[17:27]  * Cantide still likes milkytracker
[17:27] <nuvolari> Kerbero: affirmative
[17:27] <Kilos> hi Kerbero 
[17:27] <superfly> nuvolari: LMMS has potential, but too few good instruments
[17:27] <Kerbero> Queery is te dronk om by te woon
[17:27] <Kerbero> Drubin ook 
[17:27] <maiatoday> We have a meeting, no?
[17:27] <Kerbero> Ek oom
[17:27] <superfly> and I couldn't figure out how to get the VST plugins to work
[17:27] <Kerbero> *ook
[17:27] <Kilos> sies
[17:27] <nuvolari> meh, I don't want to fork out a lot of money :-/ How much is fLStudio these days?
[17:28] <Kilos> yes maiatoday 
[17:28] <nuvolari> I played around with seq24 and some of the synthysizers this past week
[17:28] <superfly> nuvolari: I dunno... when I bought it back in 2003 or so, I got the Producer Edition for around R2000
[17:28] <superfly> quite cheap compared to Reason, Cubase and the others out there
[17:28] <mazal> Evening everyone
[17:28] <Kerbero> Maiatoday: Brazens, queery is visiting 
[17:28] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[17:29] <mazal> Gaanit oom Kilos ?
[17:29] <Kilos> goed dankie en self
[17:29] <mazal> Goed dankie , raasie baie nie
[17:29] <magespawn> hey mazal
[17:29] <nuvolari> hey mazal 
[17:30] <magespawn> nuvolari: i think there might be a setting in the billion to control the gateway
[17:30] <maiatoday> Say hi to Queery I was going to be there but family decided to visit
[17:30] <magespawn> Kerbero 
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting
[17:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay
[17:31] <magespawn> log them in anyway
[17:31] <theblazehen> I am Jeandre Henderson
[17:31] <magespawn> Maaz: I am Greg Eames
[17:31] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[17:31] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[17:31] <mazal> Maaz I am Wikus van Dyk
[17:31] <Maaz> mazal: Sure
[17:31] <theblazehen> Maaz: I am Jeandre Henderson
[17:31] <Maaz> theblazehen: Yessir
[17:31] <nuvolari> magespawn: the billion doesn't seem to take the settings when I apply them :-/ it's a mission
[17:31] <Kilos> hehe
[17:31] <nuvolari> I'll try later
[17:31] <nuvolari> Welcome everyone
[17:32] <Kerbero> Maaz: I am jp Meijers 
[17:32] <Maaz> Kerbero: Alrighty
[17:32] <magtie> Maaz: I am Magda Smith
[17:32] <Maaz> magtie: Okay
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[17:32] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[17:32] <magespawn> Telkom Billion nuvolari?
[17:32] <nuvolari> thank you maiatoday for being around tonight :>
[17:32] <SmilyBorg> maaz: I am Una Karlsen
[17:32] <Maaz> SmilyBorg: Done
[17:32] <nuvolari> magespawn: MWeb
[17:32] <nuvolari> but I guess they are the same
[17:33] <magespawn> lets chat later
[17:33] <Cantide> Maaz: I am Karl Wortmann
[17:33] <Maaz> Cantide: Righto
[17:33] <nuvolari> cool
[17:33] <maiatoday> Kilos who is chair
[17:33] <nuvolari> Ok, who still needs an introduction?
[17:33] <nuvolari> o/
[17:33] <Kilos> nuvolari, maiatoday 
[17:33] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you here?
[17:34]  * nuvolari het skaafwerk nodig, die stoel het splinters :P
[17:34] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[17:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[17:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[17:34] <nuvolari> which is actually done...
[17:34] <nuvolari> sorry, I was asleep :P
[17:34] <Kilos> hehe
[17:34] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass 
[17:34] <Maaz> maiatoday: Sure
[17:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review Previous Minutes
[17:35] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review Previous Minutes
[17:35] <nuvolari> Ok, link for the previous minutes: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-11-19-17-32-43.txt
[17:36] <nuvolari> I'm quickly going to scan through it. Please feel welcome to bring up points of interest from the past meeting if you have the urge to do so
[17:37] <tumbleweed> Kilos: hi, I'm here
[17:37] <Kilos> ah good ty tumbleweed 
[17:37] <Kilos> tell the bot who you are
[17:37] <Kilos> hehe
[17:38] <nuvolari> We have a good attendance tonight, even though it's a quiet time (people spending time with loved ones etc.)
[17:38] <tumbleweed> Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera
[17:38] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Righto
[17:38] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:38] <Maaz> superfly: Sure
[17:39] <nuvolari> hmm, think I forgot to say hi SmilyBorg :) Hello
[17:39] <superfly> nuvolari: I'm not spending time with my loved ones, I just have the family around today
[17:39] <SmilyBorg> hi nuvolari
[17:40] <maiatoday> I have no comments on the minutes,. 
[17:40] <nuvolari> in the meantime, was there any new IRC-faces around this month?
[17:40] <Kilos> ya
[17:41] <Kilos> but none here now
[17:42] <nuvolari> ok, done scanning, I don't have any comments either
[17:42] <nuvolari> I think we are doing good generally speaking 
[17:43] <nuvolari> I'll give it a minute or 2 more
[17:45] <Cantide> i missed the last meeting :'(
[17:45] <nuvolari> aw :-/ Well, you can always make up tonight Cantide :)
[17:45] <Cantide> but after scanning it, there is nothing from it that i wish to discuss :p
[17:45] <Cantide> nuvolari, I hope i can :)
[17:45] <nuvolari> moving on...
[17:46] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Administrativia and Announcements
[17:46] <Maaz> Current Topic: Administrativia and Announcements
[17:46] <nuvolari> I think the most important announcement is tomorrows LoCo Re-Approval meeting
[17:47] <nuvolari> but I added it as an item under events
[17:47] <magespawn> Where and when is the meeting taking place?
[17:47] <nuvolari> so we might keep it off until then
[17:47] <magespawn> okay 
[17:48] <nuvolari> trying to find the exact channel quick
[17:49] <Kilos> we meet here around 19.30 and join there before 20.00
[17:50] <Cantide> when, tomorrow?
[17:50] <Kilos> ya
[17:50] <Cantide> cool, i should be around
[17:50] <Kilos> maiatoday, channel for reapp?
[17:50] <Kilos> ubuntu-meeting?
[17:50] <superfly> No, it is 20:00 UTC, which makes it 22:00 for us
[17:50] <superfly> IIRC
[17:50] <maiatoday> #ubuntu-meeting I think
[17:50] <Kilos> oh my
[17:50] <Cantide> ouch, that's after my bedtime :p
[17:50]  * inetpro stepping into the room
[17:50] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[17:50] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[17:50] <nuvolari> "Tuesday 18th December 2012, 20:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net. I have put us on the agenda."
[17:50] <maiatoday> Yes 22:00
[17:50] <inetpro> sorry for being late
[17:50] <nuvolari> welcome inetpro 
[17:51] <inetpro> again
[17:51] <nuvolari> quoted maiatoday there
[17:51] <Kilos> wb inetpro 
[17:51] <maiatoday> My cut and paste us slow I am on the tablet
[17:51] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[17:51] <nuvolari> who's running the mailing list?
[17:51] <nuvolari> or has access to the info
[17:51] <Kilos> peeps can take an early nap and come back for the meeting
[17:52] <nuvolari> that I don't know, and we need some of that numbers for the stats
[17:52] <maiatoday> I will work on the wiki page tomorrow morning some more
[17:52] <maiatoday> I will add the photos I collected
[17:53] <nuvolari> maiatoday: I took a look at the wiki page and I think it looks good, thanks!
[17:53] <nuvolari> The only section bugging me is the stats section, it's kind of repeating the online activities section, not?
[17:53] <maiatoday> It needs a few touch ups and then I think it should be ok
[17:53] <inetpro> nuvolari: as far as I am aware drubin_ still has access to the mailing list details
[17:54] <maiatoday> We had a stats section last time but we are missing something stats
[17:54] <nuvolari> inetpro: thanks, I'll mail him to find out about that
[17:54] <maiatoday> Last time we had graphs of irc activity 
[17:55] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed nuvolari to find out about mailing list stats from drubin_ 
[17:55] <Maaz> Agreed: nuvolari to find out about mailing list stats from drubin_
[17:55] <maiatoday> If we don't have useful stats by tomorrow we could take that section out
[17:55] <inetpro> maiatoday: we tried getting some irc stats 
[17:55] <maiatoday> Ok
[17:56] <inetpro> sadly the page which gave stats last time around stopped doing it some time I think in 2010 or 2011
[17:56] <nuvolari> meh :-/
[17:56] <maiatoday> I don't think it's that serious if we don't have stats
[17:56] <Cantide> should someone be tasked with running a bot that collects stats?
[17:56] <nuvolari> yeah, they can take our word for it :P we were quite active this year
[17:57] <inetpro> superfly and myself tried something but it ended up not being so simple as expected
[17:57] <mazal> I think the most important one is the number of active members in the community
[17:57] <inetpro> problem is to find the time
[17:57] <maiatoday> If the wiki page is pretty decent and a fair amount of us go to the  meeting we should be ok
[17:57] <superfly> I have something that is workable (And I'm working on at the moment)
[17:57] <maiatoday> Also once I add the slide show it will help too
[17:57] <nuvolari> ooh :> slides
[17:57] <superfly> it is not 100% accurate, but it should be good enough to give people a feel for how active the channel is on average
[17:58] <maiatoday> That's fine
[17:58] <inetpro> superfly: good news!
[17:58] <magespawn> okay ?
[17:58] <nuvolari> thank you superfly, greatly appreciated!
[17:58] <inetpro> thanks for your efforts
[17:58] <maiatoday> Just a 
[17:58] <nuvolari> a
[17:58] <inetpro> a?
[17:58] <nuvolari> a!
[17:58] <Kilos> hehe
[17:58] <nuvolari> :P
[17:58] <maiatoday> Picasa album I'll see if I can make it work on the wiki
[17:59] <Kilos> ty maiatoday 
[17:59] <magespawn> that will be cool to see
[17:59] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[17:59] <maiatoday> Bleargh tablet auto correct 
[17:59] <maiatoday> It's the same one that is on my last Blogger post 
[17:59] <magespawn> link?
[18:00] <nuvolari> ok, I'm moving the reapproval items to administrativia
[18:00] <nuvolari> https://picasaweb.google.com/109121642496019706308/UbuntuZa2010To2012?authuser=0&feat=directlink
[18:00] <nuvolari> think it's that one
[18:00] <nuvolari> went straight to google+ for me
[18:00] <nuvolari> *redirected
[18:01] <SmilyBorg> picasa has basicly been rolled into g+now
[18:01] <nuvolari> maiatoday: can I add al link to the google+ event for the meeting we had in durbs?
[18:02] <maiatoday> Sure
[18:02]  * Cantide missed the meeting in Durban, too :'(
[18:02] <nuvolari> https://plus.google.com/events/c142k82osntadrdi5nf5bi7mj4g?banner=pwa
[18:03] <Kilos> hi smile welcome to our meeting
[18:03] <nuvolari> welcome smile :)
[18:03] <SmilyBorg> :-) that was a fun event
[18:04] <smile> hi :)
[18:04] <maiatoday> Pu
[18:04] <inetpro> nuvolari: what else is there to discuss about tomorrow?
[18:04] <smile> :p
[18:04] <maiatoday> Add links to the wiki
[18:04] <nuvolari> ditto! It's been nice to get out to mingle with geeks in the area
[18:04] <nuvolari> inetpro: I don't think there is much more for tomorroww
[18:04] <nuvolari> I'm pretty excited for tomorrow's reapproval meeting
[18:04] <maiatoday> Or in here then I'll pick them up from the minutes and add tgem
[18:05] <smile> thanks nuvolari 
[18:05] <smile> :D
[18:05] <smile> french did to well :)
[18:05] <smile> * go
[18:05] <inetpro> nuvolari: in that case I just want us to focus for a minute on our website, that is if superfly is ready to discuss it
[18:05] <superfly> I guess
[18:05] <inetpro> perhaps we can move the item to our next meeting
[18:05] <superfly> what's up?
[18:05] <nuvolari> ok right, we can do that
[18:06] <inetpro> superfly: we where discussing having just a plain static site
[18:06] <nuvolari> inetpro: your decision
[18:06] <inetpro> were*
[18:06] <inetpro> so the meeting has to decide whether we keep things as is or whether we simplify it
[18:07] <smile> Kilos: thanks I'll not disturb your meeting
[18:07] <inetpro> not a lot of things that are changing on the website at the moment
[18:07] <Kilos> you may join in smile just give your name to maaz
[18:08] <smile> Maaz: I am smile
[18:08] <Maaz> smile: Righto
[18:08] <smile> Maaz: smile
[18:08] <Maaz> smile: smile is showing you some love
[18:08] <inetpro> anyone is welcome to share their point of view
[18:08] <Kilos> no man true name
[18:08] <smile> Maaz: geoffrey
[18:08] <Maaz> smile: Huh?
[18:08] <smile> :o
[18:08] <smile> I don't get it :|
[18:08] <nuvolari> lol
[18:09] <Kilos> I am Name
[18:09] <smile> Maaz: I am Geoffrey
[18:09] <Maaz> smile: Okay
[18:09] <smile> jaay :)
[18:09] <Cantide> whew '<
[18:09] <smile> sorry for the "flood"
[18:09] <nuvolari> I don't have any comments on the website
[18:09] <smile> I do have some :)
[18:09] <Cantide> what website are we discussing? link?
[18:09] <nuvolari> anyone want to add something? 
[18:09] <smile> static is always faster :)
[18:09] <nuvolari> I think to simplify it would help ya
[18:09] <inetpro> http://ubuntu-za.org/
[18:09] <smile> but more difficult to edit :|
[18:09] <magespawn> what is the benefit of static inetpro?
[18:09] <Cantide> aah, of course
[18:09] <nuvolari> but it's good as is, not?
[18:10] <inetpro> superfly: you are hosting?
[18:10] <smile> yeah, some design tweaks maybe :)
[18:10] <mazal> I had an idea for the website
[18:11] <inetpro> mazal: an idea?
[18:11] <mazal> How about a little "bio" area where members can just give their short history of how they started with ubuntu and their experiences etc
[18:11] <inetpro> mazal: we can have that on the ubuntu wiki
[18:12] <superfly> mazal: the problem with the web site is that no one has the time to maintain it.
[18:12] <superfly> inetpro: no, CLUG hosts it
[18:12] <inetpro> ahh
[18:12]  * inetpro remembers now
[18:12] <magespawn> superfly maybe a team to do it?
[18:12] <magespawn> or group
[18:12] <superfly> magespawn: doesn't work, already did that
[18:12] <magespawn> i can do basic stuff
[18:12] <smile> superfly: what is CLUG? :)
[18:12] <smile> a hosting company?
[18:12] <magespawn> oh okay
[18:12] <superfly> Maaz: google for CLUG
[18:13] <Maaz> superfly: "Urban Dictionary: clug" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clug :: "Clug" http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/Main_Page :: "CLUG | All Linux, All the Time" http://www.clug.org/ :: "Edward Clug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Clug :: "Welcome to Canberra Linux Users Group" http://clug.org.au/ :: "CLUG Home |
[18:13] <Maaz> Canberra LEGO® User Group - Adult LEGO Fans ..." http://www.clug.com.au/ :: "Clemson Linux…
[18:13] <nuvolari> lol
[18:13] <magespawn> the second one smile
[18:13]  * inetpro love Lego
[18:13] <inetpro> loves*
[18:13] <smile> okay, cool! :)
[18:14] <SmilyBorg> I would start a lego user group but got too many things on my plate as it is
[18:14] <magespawn> superfly as long as the changes are not too hectic i should be able to manage it
[18:14] <nuvolari> Can we agree that this will be discussed in more detail?
[18:14] <magespawn> superfly in drupal?
[18:14] <superfly> magespawn: yes
[18:14] <magespawn> would be a good learning curve
[18:15] <superfly> *IF* we continue with Drupal, we will also need to upgrade to D7
[18:16] <inetpro> but we need more than just one person
[18:16] <magespawn> ahh well i am fairly easy
[18:16] <nuvolari> ok, we might need to move on if we wish to cover everything in time. We can add this to the following meeting's agenda too?
[18:16] <Cantide> I have some experience with PHP
[18:16] <Cantide> I may lend a hand when i have time
[18:17] <inetpro> ok superfly, do we agree to keep as is and try get more people involved?
[18:17] <magespawn> +1
[18:17] <inetpro> then we discuss again at next meeting?
[18:17] <nuvolari> +1
[18:17] <superfly> we can do that
[18:18] <superfly> I'd like us to look at the purpose of the web site
[18:18] <inetpro> +1
[18:18] <superfly> Cantide: learn some Python
[18:18]  * Cantide dies
[18:18] <superfly> Cantide: leave PHP for the script kiddies and the wannabes
[18:18] <Kilos> hehe
[18:18] <inetpro> nuvolari: next topic?
[18:18] <Cantide> Pythons are dangerous >_>
[18:18] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Discuss future of the website by involving more help and re-thinking the purpose of the website.
[18:18] <Maaz> Agreed: Discuss future of the website by involving more help and re-thinking the purpose of the website
[18:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Ubuntu+1 status and feedback
[18:19] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu+1 status and feedback
[18:19] <superfly> inetpro or magespawn: are you going to run with that?
[18:20] <inetpro> superfly: I will follow up again in the evenings, and will try help where I can
[18:20]  * superfly has family to deal with now
[18:20] <smile> superfly: :(
[18:20] <magespawn> with the website superfly?
[18:20] <superfly> magespawn: yes
[18:20] <nuvolari> i've seen some more complains this last couple of weeks on the mailing list on the latest ubuntu release
[18:21]  * inetpro will discuss with magespawn and others and when superfly has time he will chime in
[18:21] <magespawn> sure i can commit sometime to it
[18:21] <nuvolari> I don't know how much of that is caused by user error though :P
[18:21] <superfly> nuvolari: in most cases, user error I think
[18:21] <superfly> also, people thinking that a reinstall will fix stuff when 99% of cases it won't
[18:21] <nuvolari> As for 12.10, I'm still running 12.04 so I can't comment. However, I did upgrade my brother's netbook to have an ubuntu  dualboot with 12.10
[18:22] <Cantide> nuvolari, I had trouble and went back to 12.04; but then again, i did an upgrade and not a clean install, and on top of that i had some hardware trouble at the same time, so I can't make a fair judgement
[18:22] <mazal> I did use 12.10 and it was very buggy and very slow
[18:22] <smile> mazal: I have the same experience.
[18:23] <nuvolari> In general it seems that we have mixed experiences, both great and less great
[18:23] <Cantide> all in all, i felt that webapps were not as useful as i thought they'd be, and there wasn't much else new there that would bring me back to 12.10 instead of just waiting for the next version
[18:23]  * nlsthzn pops in and says, "alo"
[18:23] <smile> yeah.. I expected the alpha releases/beta releases to be buggy (they were)
[18:23] <nuvolari> hi nlsthzn 
[18:23] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[18:23] <smile> but the stable releases were still buggy
[18:23] <smile> which is a shame
[18:23] <Cantide> hey nlsthzn :)
[18:23] <maiatoday> My web apps crash alot
[18:23] <Kilos> tell maaz who you are nlsthzn 
[18:23] <nlsthzn> ah meeting still ongoing
[18:24] <Kilos> yip
[18:24] <nlsthzn> Maaz: my name is Neil Oosthuizen
[18:24] <Maaz> nlsthzn: One learns a new thing every day
[18:24] <Kilos> lol i am
[18:24] <nuvolari> well, I guess you can't blame them that much, as the LTS versions will be around much longer now
[18:24] <Cantide> my web apps used a lot of memory and weren't really helpful because i had to have the web pages open anyway -.-v
[18:24] <inetpro> nlsthzn: please sign the register
[18:24] <inetpro> ai
[18:24] <nlsthzn> did I do it wrong again
[18:24] <SmilyBorg> the llvmpipe thing has made a world of difference to me, but had a nasty issue in lightdm the other day that wouldnt let me change between windoww managers/desktop environments
[18:24] <nuvolari> I suspect they will not focus on it to have the releaces in between spotless
[18:24] <Kilos> nlsthzn, maaz i am 
[18:24]  * inetpro 's connection is lagging
[18:24] <nlsthzn> Maaz: I am Neil Oosthuizen
[18:24] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Sure
[18:24] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos 
[18:24] <Kilos> yw
[18:25]  * nuvolari googles llvmpipe
[18:25] <Cantide> nuvolari, all releases should be spotless - what if it's a new users first experience with Ubuntu
[18:26] <mazal> I agree with Cantide 
[18:26] <SmilyBorg> true
[18:26] <mazal> What's the point of having a release every 6 months , but it feels like a beta
[18:26] <nuvolari> I guess you're right :-/
[18:26] <tumbleweed> we aim to have all releases be high quality
[18:26] <mazal> Then rather release once a year a proper stable one
[18:26] <tumbleweed> LTS releases get special polish because they have to be supported for longer
[18:27] <tumbleweed> but all releases should be fit for use
[18:27] <magespawn> i usually stay on the lts
[18:27] <mazal> I feel they don't give themselves enough time on each release
[18:27] <magespawn> LTS
[18:27] <nuvolari> I'm one of the lucky ones, I did not have many issues lately
[18:27] <Cantide> i usually skip a release
[18:28] <nuvolari> ok, time is chasing us :-/
[18:28] <Cantide> i had a lot of freezing on 12.10, but i'm not sure if that was caused by faulty hardware or not
[18:28] <tumbleweed> I don't think more time would help. More time spent on polish rather than features, wouldl, though
[18:28] <Cantide> tumbleweed, agreed
[18:28] <Cantide> nuvolari, yes :/
[18:28]  * nlsthzn wonders what the topic is?
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: current topic
[18:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:29] <nuvolari> argh :-/
[18:29] <magespawn> lol
[18:29] <mazal> lol
[18:29] <nlsthzn> ah blink...
[18:29] <Kilos> hehe
[18:29] <Cantide> it seems we went a bit off topic :D oops!
[18:29] <nuvolari> Ubuntu+1 status and feedback <-- nlsthzn 
[18:29] <mazal> It is Ubuntu +1
[18:29] <mazal> snap
[18:29] <nuvolari> moving on...
[18:29] <mazal> What is Ubuntu +1 btw ?
[18:29] <nlsthzn> RR
[18:29] <Cantide> i wanted to ask the same thing
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[18:29] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:30] <nlsthzn> 13.04
[18:30] <Cantide> aha
[18:30] <nlsthzn> 12.10 + 1 = 13.04
[18:30] <maiatoday> I need to go now thanks all,  I sort the wiki page for the re-approval and see you at the meeting tomorrow 
[18:30] <Kilos> ty maiatoday 
[18:30] <nlsthzn> maiatoday: good night
[18:30] <Cantide> thanks maiatoday 
[18:30] <Cantide> see ya
[18:30] <Kilos> for everything
[18:30] <maiatoday> :) 
[18:30] <nuvolari> ok maiatoday, thanks for popping in
[18:30] <mazal> Ok so just for info's sake , it's 10pm tomorrow ?
[18:31] <Kilos> see you morrow night
[18:31] <maiatoday> Yes
[18:31] <nuvolari> mazal: affirmative
[18:31] <mazal> sjoe
[18:31] <nuvolari> in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:31]  * nlsthzn does the math... midnight in the UAE :'(
[18:31] <Kilos> eek nlsthzn 
[18:31] <nuvolari> aw :-/
[18:31] <nlsthzn> no worries, will be there
[18:31] <Kilos> ty
[18:32] <nlsthzn> back on topic... tomorrow is an important event :p
[18:32]  * Kilos agrees
[18:32] <nuvolari> yeah, but we covered most of tomorrow earlier
[18:32] <nuvolari> I'm confident that it will go well
[18:32] <mazal> How many you need ?
[18:32] <nuvolari> community participation was good the past year
[18:33] <nuvolari> mazal: how many of what?
[18:33] <mazal> Members to join the meeting tomorrow 
[18:33]  * SmilyBorg adds tomorrow's meeting to her calendar
[18:33] <nuvolari> well, as many as we can get
[18:33] <SmilyBorg> can't promise anything, but will attend if I can
[18:33] <nuvolari> we need pom-poms to cheer us on too
[18:33] <Cantide> me, too
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <mazal> nuvolari, I'll try to be here too
[18:34] <nuvolari> ok great
[18:34] <mazal> Weather permitting
[18:34] <nuvolari> is there any other events this holidays?
[18:34] <nuvolari> *are
[18:35] <nuvolari> we discussed some things for next year in the Durban area
[18:35] <nuvolari> LPI get-togethers
[18:35]  * SmilyBorg nods
[18:35] <nuvolari> and a DLUG meeting in January/February
[18:35] <Cantide> I missed those discussions 'o'
[18:36] <Cantide> where could i get the log?
[18:36] <nuvolari> Cantide: did you attend the last get-together?
[18:36] <Cantide> no :/
[18:36] <nuvolari> Cantide: we discussed it at the DLUG year-end
[18:36] <Cantide> I was working
[18:36] <nuvolari> meh :-/
[18:36] <Cantide> okay, no worry, i will keep an eye out here for info as things happen
[18:36] <SmilyBorg> the DBN-LUG is kinda quite most of the time but things are warming up. we've managed to have events about every 6 weeks lately
[18:37] <nuvolari> I had a look through my mail today, the first Ubuntu Hour we had in durbs was Dec 2010 I think
[18:37] <Vince-0> SUUP!
[18:37] <nuvolari> and not that frequent after that
[18:37] <nuvolari> yo Vince-0!
[18:38] <Vince-0> haai
[18:38] <Vince-0> *jamming games
[18:38] <SmilyBorg> the meetings might not be the conventional sort with a dedicated speaker or anything, more social geek out and show and tell sessions
[18:38] <nuvolari> you have a last-minute opportunity to id to maaz for the meeting
[18:38] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 youre late
[18:38] <Vince-0> ow soz
[18:38] <Kilos> Vince-0, type maaz I am Nmae
[18:38] <nuvolari> Vince-0: I was talking to you :P
[18:38] <Kilos> Name
[18:39] <nuvolari> moving on
[18:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:39] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:39]  * Kilos says nuvolari 
[18:39]  * Cantide agrees
[18:39] <Vince-0> maaz I am Vince-0
[18:39] <Maaz> Vince-0: Sure
[18:39] <magespawn> nuvolari: +1
[18:39] <nuvolari> I'm available for the next meeting if you're okay with that
[18:39] <inetpro> sorry
[18:39]  * inetpro got distracted by a phone call
[18:40] <nuvolari> ook... amazon geek dinner in January :>
[18:40] <Kilos> np inetpro life happens
[18:40] <nuvolari> ok cool
[18:41] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed chairperson for next meeting: nuvolari 
[18:41] <Maaz> Agreed: chairperson for next meeting: nuvolari
[18:41] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Closing
[18:41] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing
[18:41] <nuvolari> Right, the next meeting will be on the 21st of January 2013
[18:41] <Kilos> thanks nuvolari and all attendees
[18:41] <nuvolari> Thank you everyone for attending.
[18:42] <nlsthzn> thanks all , and hope to see many tomorrow night again!!
[18:42] <Kilos> night nlsthzn sleep tight
[18:42] <nuvolari> This meeting was quite important IMO and we did a good job
[18:42] <Kilos> yqa
[18:42] <Kilos> ya as well
[18:42] <nuvolari> So see you guys and ladies tomorrow evening
[18:42] <nuvolari> (those that can make it)
[18:42] <nuvolari> night nlsthzn 
[18:42] <Kilos> night nuvolari sleep tight
[18:43]  * nlsthzn will still be around a bit... thinking of trying out a spherical cow >.>
[18:43] <nuvolari> Thanks for a great year everyone, our LoCo made it a great year :)
[18:43] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[18:43] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:43] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-12-17-17-30-59.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-12-17-17-30-59.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-12-17-17-30-59.html
[18:44] <Kilos> thanks all night from me too
[18:45] <mazal> Nag oom
[18:45] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[18:45] <magespawn> night Kilos
[18:45] <Cantide> night Kilos :)
[18:45] <nuvolari> ok, I'm out, family waiting :P
[18:45] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[18:45] <nuvolari> night everyone, oom Kilos, magespawn, mazal, Cantide 
[18:45] <magespawn> cheers nuvolari
[18:45]  * inetpro back again after a very flaky 8ta connection
[18:46] <Cantide> good night '-'//
[18:47] <inetpro> good night Cantide
[18:47] <SmilyBorg> night all. I had better get some sleep since I still have 3 more days of work left
[18:51] <magespawn> night all
[18:51] <magespawn> i am not going just to be clear
[18:52] <inetpro> nuvolari: just for the record, my thoughts on the Ubuntu+1 topic was to get feedback from others involved with Ubuntu development or testing
[18:52] <inetpro> magespawn: good night
[18:53] <magespawn> superfly do you have a deb for the Quassel2go? seems to have removed from most places on the net
[18:53] <superfly> magespawn: I'll look around
[18:53] <magespawn> cool ty
[18:53] <inetpro> as far as I understand Ubuntu+1 is the next release, which would be 13.04
[18:54] <superfly> might even still have it on my phone...
[18:54] <superfly> which is downstairs... *sigh*
[18:54] <magespawn> no worries
[18:55] <inetpro> hmm... 
[18:55]  * inetpro thought magespawn is leaving
[18:57] <magespawn> not yet, bit like a bad cold
[18:58] <superfly> magespawn: http://www.jabawok.net/uploads/quassel2go_0.8-pre5_armel.deb
[18:59] <magespawn> cool
[18:59] <superfly> download, copy to device via USB, use file manager to find deb, open it to install it
[19:00] <magespawn> cool ty superfly
[19:02] <magespawn> got
[19:02] <magespawn> it
[19:03]  * inetpro crashing early tonight
[19:03] <inetpro> good night all
[19:03] <magespawn> night inetpro
[19:15] <smile> good night inetpro 
[19:20] <magespawn> Hey superfly am on the phone, ty.
[19:20] <superfly> magespawn: w00t!
[19:22] <magespawn> Ooo lots of pretty colours
[19:24] <superfly> magespawn: yeah, pretty awesome to have a Quassel client on your phone, eh?
[19:25] <magespawn> Very cool.
[19:25] <magespawn> I still think this phone is the most awesome piece of engineering around even now
[19:28] <smile> good night! :p
[19:28] <magespawn> Night smile
[19:29] <smile> thanks :)
[19:30] <superfly> magespawn: I agree
[19:31] <superfly> I have decided to stick with it and give mrs_fly a new phone, and she'll probably get a droid
[19:31] <Squirm> evening
[19:32] <magespawn> Maybe go and buy a whole load of new ones keep them in the boxs till you need them
[19:32] <magespawn> Hey Squirm
[19:32] <magespawn> Boxes even
[19:35] <magespawn> brand new only R4000.00
[19:40] <nuvolari> wtf :-/
[19:40] <nuvolari> something is wrong with .tar.gz
[19:40] <nuvolari> it only transfers the first 2mb then freezes
[19:41] <Squirm> something is wrong with your gunzip :P
[19:41] <Squirm> gzip
[19:41] <nuvolari> er, it's before I have the complete file
[19:41] <nuvolari> wget/curl
[19:41] <nuvolari> when I bzip2 the file, it transfer without error
[19:49] <magespawn> superfly do you read snargawok?
[19:49] <superfly> magespawn: can't say I even know what that is
[19:50] <magespawn> the blog at www.jabawok,net
[19:50] <magespawn> the blog at www.jabawok.net
[19:55] <Squirm> so a client brought in a laptop today. It doesn't power off unless you hold down the off button. Ok, it turns off, but it turns itself back on. It's like the power option is set to 'always on', but it isn't. there is no such option in the BIOS and I've reset the BIOS to factory defaults. It stays off if you hold down the off button, or disconnect the battery and AC and connect them again. It's a Toshiba Satellite. I know this is a linux channel, 
[19:55] <Squirm> but anyone had this problem before?
[19:55] <magespawn> no thats a good one Squirm
[19:56] <magespawn> we also chat about other things in ##kilos, just to help keep this channel on topic
[19:56] <Squirm> and for the life of me I can't find anything on google. everyone talks about them not turning off or not turning on. this turns off and on perfectly. but as it turns off it turns back on
[19:58] <magespawn> not a faulty switch?
[19:58] <nuvolari> oh come on :-/ I feel like throwing my laptop against a wall or something
[19:59] <Squirm> I thought it could be. but if I disconnect all power source and connect it back. it stays off. or if I hold down the power button it stays off
[19:59] <nuvolari> why can't flash be packaged like all the other apps?
[19:59] <superfly> nuvolari: what do you need flash for?
[19:59] <magespawn> process of elimination Squirm
[20:00] <Squirm> nuvolari: apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[20:00] <Squirm> ?
[20:01] <nuvolari> er... how many times did you install flash Squirm ? :P
[20:01] <nuvolari> it downloads a .tar.gz file
[20:01] <Squirm> I never
[20:01] <Squirm> came with mint
[20:01] <Squirm> magespawn: yep
[20:01] <nuvolari> superfly: well, the sites that still have flash plugins here and there
[20:02] <nuvolari> the nonsense is that every freaking time it downloads to a new tmpXYZ.gz file :-/
[20:02] <magespawn> depressing quite a few
[20:02] <nuvolari> I don't know how to intercept that download
[20:03] <superfly> nuvolari: download the official tar.gz from their site?
[20:17] <nuvolari> this is absurd
[20:17] <nuvolari> my install is now broken
[20:18] <nuvolari> nothing I do would fix this flash mess
[20:27] <nuvolari> success!!
[20:27] <magespawn> cool nuvolari
[20:27] <nuvolari> now, on to the router *sigh*
[20:28]  * nuvolari maintains radiosilence
[20:28] <magespawn> routers are simple compared to flash
[20:29] <magespawn> a lot of the billions that i have worked on have a problem when you try to apply any setting changes
[20:42] <magespawn> good night all
[20:53] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos You're a bigmouth. You contribute about 48% of the chatter in here.
[20:53] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode