[00:00] I want to have Ubuntu on a USB drive that i can use on "any" machine, do i need it to be the "livecd" or can i just do a normal instal and it will still not have issues booting on different machines? [00:00] TiagoTiago: My question takes precedence, please wait your turn [00:00] init 6 completey removed my ssh it seems [00:00] !ops | dingoateyourbaby [00:00] dingoateyourbaby: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, jpds, gnomefreak, bazhang, jussi, Flannel, ikonia, maco, h00k, IdleOne, bkerensa, nhandler or Jordan_U! [00:00] !ops | escott [00:00] escott: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, jpds, gnomefreak, bazhang, jussi, Flannel, ikonia, maco, h00k, IdleOne, bkerensa, nhandler or Jordan_U! [00:00] Claire, init 6 is the reboot signal [00:01] le sigh [00:01] Claire, it should reboot your system (if the system doesn't come back up you need to contact the datacenter, which is what i said you should've done initially) [00:01] TiagoTiago, not all machines support usb boot. many do [00:01] dingoateyourbaby: Please be courteous and polite. Thanks. [00:01] Claire, your system has to reboot :P [00:01] TiagoTiago: it should not have any problems booting, but the video driver stuff might be weird [00:01] TiagoTiago, live cd is universal, if you install on an usb device, you might get trouble if the machines have different videocards and such [00:01] Flannel: I am. I am just waiting for a reply [00:01] Claire, again, if it doesn't come back up and/or throws additional errors again, you'll need to have the hardware checked, and you'll need to contact the datacenter you're colocating at for that. [00:02] Is there a way to have the compatibility benefits of the livecd AND the full power of a normal install? [00:02] dingoateyourbaby: Your topic is a great discussion topic, but not for this channel. This channel is for technical support. You should try #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic. Those would be more appropriate. [00:02] !ops | please answer my question [00:02] please answer my question: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, jpds, gnomefreak, bazhang, jussi, Flannel, ikonia, maco, h00k, IdleOne, bkerensa, nhandler or Jordan_U! [00:02] Claire, since you've said you don't have access (and you should), then the techs at the datacenter'll have to respond and check the system [00:02] TiagoTiago, you would probably be ok if you installed a msdos partitioned bios boot system on a usb as an installed system for any computer built from 2007-2015 [00:02] Flannel: how is it "off-topic" [00:02] Claire, and that's not usually free [00:03] Compare my issue to TiagoTiago's. [00:03] * TheLordOfTime has colo'd a box before, and always makes sure he has access to the box when necessary [00:03] He's looking for something that's easily googable. [00:03] TiagoTiago, but the full compatibility of the livecd is not something you can get from a real install [00:03] dingoateyourbaby: its not support specific. we dont have insight to r4easons for canoical doing stuff.. other then their blogs and other reports. [00:03] TiagoTiago: if you don't need 3d acceleration, it should work on pretty much anything [00:03] dr_willis, you were ninja'd ;P [00:03] dingoateyourbaby: This is a support channel, for technical support questions. Your question isn't a support question, but instead a discussion. The people here aren't likely to be the same people you want answering your question anyway. [00:04] thank you i got to go [00:04] The livecd doesn't do 3d acceleration? Is that the only difference? === dniMretsaM_away is now known as dniMretsaM [00:04] TiagoTiago: it depends on your video hardware. [00:04] Flannel: it is a support question, I want to know who's bright idea was it for canonical not to support older 32-bit cpu hardware without pae. And was this decision due to conceit. [00:04] TiagoTiago, no. the livecd has a fat partition and an ext4 casper image mounted as a loopback device [00:04] hi there, i'm having trouble getting a live usb of ubuntu to boot on a macbook pro. is this the right place to get help? [00:04] dingoateyourbaby: no its not s support question. [00:04] dingoateyourbaby: No, it's not. Please take it elsewhere. [00:05] TiagoTiago, ie the livecd is VERY different from the early boot perspective [00:05] I see, hm... [00:05] Bottom line. manpower is limited. and the LTS release still supports non pae.. [00:06] But regarding the system itself, after the machine is instructed to boot it, does it matter if it is the livecd image or an image from a regular install? [00:06] we can agree that a question is "an act or instance of asking" and that support is to mean "aid" [00:06] TiagoTiago, for the most part no [00:06] TiagoTiago, unless you have things configured for proprietary modules === james is now known as Guest74060 === jesus_ is now known as Phone === Phone is now known as Phonoveau === Phonoveau is now known as Woogie [00:09] To not hog you guys much, is there a tutorial i can follow to make a USB install that has both the compatibility benefits of the livecd and the full power of a regular install? [00:09] Woogie, please don't do that [00:09] TiagoTiago: i just do full installs.. you COULD do a full install and then make a grub entry to boot an iso file. [00:09] sorry, must tweak my xchat. [00:09] that would be usefull trick [00:10] TiagoTiago: The only benefit that I can think of to a liveCD is that it's compressed. You can do a normal install to a USB drive and boot it on many machines. [00:11] if you moved the usb around from differnt pcs' a live option may be nice. [00:11] Jordan_U, my understanding is that some older bioses don't like to boot non-FAT formatted usbs [00:11] If i do that, what things will i not be able to do? (like, setup multiple monitors, 3d acceleration etc) [00:12] escott: Older BIOSs shouldn't know anything about filesystems, and while it's possible (there are many odd firmware bugs out there) I've never encountered such hardware. [00:13] Jordan_U, i guess i dont understand the rational for the casper image then. it would be trivial to just unpack the casper image or dd it directly to the disk [00:13] Photorec did not recover the file I wanted, which was the last paper I was typing up before my computer blue screened. Is it safe to assume that my paper file is corrupt beyond recognition? [00:13] Altaires, or that it is so scattered that photorec can't find it amongst the pieces [00:13] Or will it just revert to the basic most compatible settings when the hardware changes? [00:14] escott: is there ANY way I can salvage it? [00:14] escott: Do you mean the squashfs image? [00:14] Jordan_U, yes [00:15] Altaires: what file system [00:15] Ben64: Win 7 [00:15] thats an operating system :| [00:15] Altaires, there is testdisk you could try that. but this being an ubuntu channel not a lot we can advise wrt windows [00:16] escott: Squashfs is a read only compressed file system, by using it they can fit what installs to about 2 GiB in less than 700 MiB (which was even more important when they were still trying to keep media at a size that it could be burned to a CD). [00:16] escott: Squashfs isn't used for normal installations because it's read-only. [00:16] escott: thanks, I used test disk to find the hidden partition already. I don't think it would be better than photorec to actually recover the files however. It's more of a fix and find kind of tool. [00:16] Altaires: you could try Recuva, I've had success with it where I couldn't with photorec [00:17] Jordan_U, i guess i never realized how well that casper image packed down === phunyguy is now known as phunyguy_t430s [00:17] i'm trying to boot a live usb of ubuntu 12.04.1 on a macbook pro using grub-efi. i get to the grub menu, but when i try to boot ubuntu it freezes on the following: [00:17] RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM dsik image starting at 0. No filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 ext4 fuseblk [00:17] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0) [00:18] escott you still around? [00:18] http://imgur.com/EVVOy I took a screenshot of what the screen looks like === Guest89535 is now known as LikeLakers2 [00:18] Does anyone have a fix for the issue that when using ssh keys to login to a remote ubuntu box (that has an encrypted home directory) the home drive is not mounted, i have to manually mount it by doing ecryptfs-mount-private, i then have to source my .bash_profile.. I managed to get ssh/keys working by moving the authorized_keys file to somewhere outside my home dir, now i would like the home directory mounted upon logging [00:18] the installer shows up fine, but after installation and I reboot the computer that is what the display looks like [00:19] WR47HANZ, what kind of graphics card was this? perhaps i lost your response when the dingbat came into channel [00:19] nvidia gtx 560ti [00:19] zoidberg-, modify /etc/ssh/config to look for the auth key somewhere outside of $HOME [00:19] fizikz: How did you setup this LiveUSB? [00:20] escott: That problem was fixed earlier.. i've done that, it is now not mounting my homedirectory.. [00:20] so i manually have to mount it, then source my bash_prfile which is a right pain. [00:20] I was wondering if there was a fix for that [00:21] i formatted the usb flash drive as FAT, copied onto it the /efi and /efi/boot directories containing the bootx64.efi file and a grub.cfg, and the iso of the ubuntu desktop edition is in the root directory [00:21] zoidberg-, you could try adding that mount command to your auth_keys file before running the bash commmand [00:21] zoidberg-, honestly for a server i would disable encrypted home [00:22] hi everybody [00:22] escott: Yeah, I am regretting setting it, is there a way to disable it without re-installing? [00:23] zoidberg-, copy the plaintext out to another directory, change your home, verify it works, remove the old home [00:23] zoidberg-, rather umount, remove the old home (including the ciphertext in $OLDHOME/.Private) [00:23] fizikz: That grub.cfg was not designed for loop booting, which is what you're doing by keeping the iso file as an iso file. Create a grub.cfg following the template here: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Loopback.cfg#How_do_you_use_a_loopback.cfg_to_boot_an_iso.3F [00:23] hrm [00:24] probably easier to re-install not entirley sur ewhat you mean [00:24] why add something that breaks soemthing so fundamental [00:24] :( [00:24] does a single "home" directory works for varius linux distros if it is in a diferent partition? [00:24] zoidberg-, encrypted home mounts the ciphertext in ~/.Private over ~ using ecryptfs which is a FUSE filesystem [00:25] Dark_Haseo, not the best idea. different versions of desktop software may have conflicting config options [00:25] meh im going to reinstall thanks for your help [00:26] Dark_Haseo, you can share a single /home partition and have inside if username_ubuntu and username_fedora with symlinks to a shared username_data for all the subdirs [00:26] ok thx escott [00:26] the relevant bit in grub.cfg (latest iteration so far..) is: [00:26] menuentry "Ubuntu (Macbook1,1)" { [00:26] search --no-floppy --set -f /boot.iso [00:26] loopback loop /boot.iso [00:26] linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/boot.iso video=efifb fbdev noefi -- [00:26] initrd (loop)/casper/initrd.lz [00:26] } [00:26] fizikz: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [00:26] can i install ubuntu on a usb ?(not live) [00:27] What do i loose, and what do i need to be aware of, if i install Ubuntu on a pendrive to use on different machines, instead of just going the liveCD/USB route? [00:27] Dark_Haseo, yes [00:27] any recomended size? [00:28] Dark_Haseo, the base system is usually on the order of 10-20GB [00:29] fizikz: Try following the template that I linked to (and next time please use http://pastebin.ubuntu.com for anything over one line). [00:29] ok sorry about that [00:30] And is there a variant or distro that by default uses a flash friendly file system? [00:31] TiagoTiago, i never really get the "flash friendly" bit. there is potentially faster if it is a CoW filesystem and the block size matches the underlying blocks, but that doesn't make it any friendlier [00:31] Hello. i am trying to change the dns i am using. i have changed /etc/resolv.conf to have nameserver 8.8.8.8, but whenever i restart it has been changed back to nameserver 127.0.0.1. How do i change it for good and how do i ensure that its actually 8.8.8.8 which is being used? [00:32] I mean a file system that was designed to reduce the wear on flash storage [00:32] TiagoTiago: ext4 is flash friendly enough. For the small writes done for journaling to decrease the life of the drive the wear leveling in the drive would have to be terrible. [00:33] I see [00:33] TiagoTiago, a write is a write. the only way to reduce the wear level is to write less. the firmware will amplify the writes anyways [00:34] ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, [00:34] oooops [00:34] diverdude: Change the setting in network manager. [00:40] I have to go now :( [00:40] Thanx for everything, cya [00:43] trying to track down why i got some very slow usb hd transfer speeds on my Ubuntu box. Could it be I grabbed some USB1 Cables and using them on usb2 ports is slowing them down? [00:43] dr_willis, if they were longer cheaper cables sure [00:46] hi guys [00:46] hi i installed centos and i installed its bootloader and added ubuntu to the bootloader options (during centos installtion) but now when I try to boot from ubuntu, I get Error 13: invalid or unsupported exec. format [00:46] how might I fix that? [00:47] i am unable to stream files through plex server/ [00:47] there is a package, i don't remember the name but after you install that one a lot of icons appear next to the text in a lot of menus [00:47] any dns gurus? [00:47] can't remember the name now, but i installed it because a script required it [00:47] but i also don't remember the name of the script now :s [00:48] for example, right now the bookmarks of firefox don't show a folder next to a bookmark folder, after installing that package a folder will appear next to them [00:51] limac: I would let Ubuntu control the bootloader rather than CENTOS. You can re-install Ubuntu's grub from either CENTOS or an Ubuntu (or other) LiveCD by following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot [00:53] thank you Jordan_U for that! [00:54] limac: You're welcome. [00:54] I just installed awesome under 12.10 and launched a session, and everything's fullscreen, regardless of my tiling mode. Any idea why? === nosrepa is now known as aperson [00:54] ok, it was just a matter of enabling the 'menus have icons' on ubuntu tweak [00:54] hello, i am using the 12.04 LTS, but when i run the music player "audacious" to add files in the folder, I computer get crashed and cannot do anything except moving the mouse! [00:56] Hey I have x window forwarding, I want to know if its possible to use screen on an xwindow so I can detach + reattach it ? [00:57] XxXxX, not exactly. what do you mean by forwarding? [00:58] escott, ok so i have a strange setup [00:58] Jordan_U: i copied the template you referenced (substituting the TITLE and PATH bits) as an entry into my existing grub.cfg . when i selected the entry, it froze on a blank screen, perhaps due to video issues. from the ubuntu mac forum, people indicated that they needed to add "video=efifb" and "noefi" options to the "linux" line in grub.cfg. how can i incorporate them into the template? [00:59] XxXxX: dosent work that way. screen would work for terminal/cli apps.. but not X apps. There were at one time some apps/tricks to detach/reattatch X apps.. but ive not seen those in years. You Could have a small vnc session for specific apps if you wanted [00:59] escott, I have ubuntu, with ssh + x forwarding, and I do stuff on my other computer (windows) but right now im running a windows VM (vmplayer) on the ubuntu machine I want to be able to control it from windows w/ x forwarding (thats working fine) I can even run the app in screen but Idk how to detach + reattach it so if I shut down the windows pc [01:00] XxXxX: you could have a hidden vnc desktop you could detatch/reattatch to [01:00] how do I do that ? [01:00] XxXxX, so there is an X migration but its not well supported. what you can do is run gui programs in an xnest session or through freenx's virtual x server [01:00] install a vncserver, start it.. connect to it with a vnc client. run whatever apps you want. it will stay there even after you detatch the client [01:00] FreeNX is simniler but ive never gotten freenx working well [01:01] escott, well what is my best option vnc or that ? [01:01] vnc works - but freenx may give better preformance.,but may be harder to setup. [01:01] XxXxX, its all basically the same idea just different protocols. vnc/freenx/xnest all create hidden virtual x servers and run the gui programs through those [01:03] escott, ok, so if you were me which one do you do [01:03] XxXxX, never used any of them can't recommend one in particular [01:03] fizikz: Unfortunately you can't add kernel parameters when using a loopback.cfg entry. I would recommend though that you look at the entry in /boot/grub/loopback.cfg (in the iso) as a beginning for what other kernel parameters should be passed and add to that. [01:03] escott, ive used vnc in the past [01:03] fizikz: Are you booting 64 bit Ubuntu? [01:03] XxXxX, vnc/nx are easier to setup than xnest [01:03] yes [01:04] Can you read windows 7 bsod .dmp files in ubuntu? [01:04] ... How can the deluge package not been updated to properly depend on python-libtorrent? [01:05] escott, so if I install vnc server on the ubuntu box, I can simply vnc in load vmware and vnc out and it will keep running ? [01:05] XxXxX: if you run a seperate vnc session, yes. it will keep running even with no clients attatched. [01:05] XxXxX, should work. what i dont get is why vmware doesn't support detaching natively [01:06] XxXxX: this is nto the same as how Gnome with vino does it. [01:06] Jordan_U: in that link, for step 6, what do they mean by: "Only if you have a separate boot partition..."? [01:06] dr_willis, any link on how to set up a 'seperate' vnc session ? [01:06] XxXxX: install a vncserver, and run it. [01:06] escott, dr_willis also is the vnc server I want x11vnc ? [01:07] Gnomes 'shared desktop' is not quite the same. [01:07] x11vnc and vino share the CURRENT desktop.. thats the BIG differance [01:07] vncserver can be ran and have no visible display. untill you connect to it with a vnc client [01:07] sharing the current display is fine [01:08] tightvncserver and vnc4server are the 2 common vncservers [01:08] XxXxX: you have to be logged in first to get that mode to work.. and you cant log out.. vnc4server could run with a headless display or just by sshing in. or you can have several differnt vnc sessions. [01:08] current display = use the gnome shared desktop feature. [01:09] im getting more confused by the second honestly [01:09] hidden persistant desktop = use a seperate vncserver [01:09] so how do I set up a seperate one!? [01:09] export the $DISPLAY variable ? [01:09] you install a 'vncserver' like tightvnc, or vnc4server [01:09] k i did that [01:10] ssh in, run vncserver, connect with a client. [01:10] k [01:10] the 'shareed current desktop' is a special case of vnc ussage. and untill recently was not common on linux. ;) on windows its the ONLY way vnc works.. [01:11] this confuses people. they think its the only way vnc works. ;) [01:11] what is meant here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot in step 6, when it says "Only if you have a separate boot partition..." [01:11] XxXxX, are you sure that vmware whatever doesnt support session detach? [01:11] limac: you can have /boot/ on its own partition. ie: sda1 is /boot/ and the rest of / is on sda2 [01:11] escott: i thought it did. ;) but i dont use vmware [01:11] escott, vmware player idk [01:12] do I need to run the vnc server as root if i need root permissions on the vmware player ? [01:12] Can you read Win 7 BSOD dump files with an Ubuntu Live CD? [01:12] XxXxX, if this is the free player maybe, but if i paid for a virtualization solution and it was unable to detach from my session i'd be rather angry [01:12] XxXxX: the vncserver will be showing a desktop. you use it as you would any other desktop. no need to run the server as root. [01:12] escott, free ;-p [01:12] ok thx dr_willis [01:12] XxXxX, you could still ask for your money back ;) [01:12] its best to use a light/minimal window manager in vnc. it can get laggy. openbox would work fine. [01:13] escott, dr_willis so Im getting a connection refused ? [01:13] this is over lan btw... [01:13] Jordan_U: yes, i am booting a 64 bit iso. are there differences between 32 vs 64 bit to be aware of for the live usb booting processes? the entry i copied went into /efi/boot/grub.cfg. this refers to the loopback.cfg in the iso which has some kernel parameters, but not the ones needed for a mac. the procedure i followed and the grub.conf i had made is based on this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11637610&postcount=34 [01:13] look at your vnc logs in the .vnc dir. [01:13] XxXxX: you did start a vncserver? [01:13] dr_willis, yes === qos|away is now known as qos [01:14] it said vncdesktop running on 192.168.1.102:6669 or some ip/port ? [01:14] I am getting an error "mount: special device /run does not exist" any suggestions how to fix that? [01:15] dr_willis, I was able to log in with Media:1 just not the ip [01:15] now it says gnome session not found [01:15] im using xfce [01:15] XxXxX: i always use the ip. ;) [01:15] edit your .vnc/xstartup to run what window manager you want. kill/restart the vncserver [01:16] dr_willis, it wouldn't work witrh the ip for some reason [01:16] my normap vnc xstartup is like 2 lines....... xterm & then exec openbox [01:16] about as minimal as it gets. ;) [01:17] dr_willis, mine says /etc/X11/Xsession [01:17] the default xstartup i think tries to run your normal desktop or other things. I want total controll. [01:17] i don't have an /etc/X11/Xsession [01:17] so i make it run EXACTLY what i want [01:17] do I just do exec xfce ? [01:18] i would run just a terminal, and a window manager to start. [01:18] the terminal in case the wm fails to startup. [01:18] yea idk how to get xfce to start [01:18] just put exec xfce in ~/.vnc/xstartup ? [01:18] perhaps 3 lines.. xterm & exec windowmanager then perhaps a exec xterm after that.. in case the wm fails. [01:18] I dont know what commands start xfce [01:18] k [01:19] a full xfce desktop may be a bit heavy for vnc [01:19] Does anyone use pdfsam on ubuntu? === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy [01:21] dr_willis, guess this is over my head [01:22] dr_willis, getting this... _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed [01:22] _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running [01:22] Fatal server error: [01:22] Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running [01:22] you did close/kill the other vncservers? [01:23] cnxserver --kill :1 (i think) [01:23] vncserver --kill :1 (i think) [01:23] for usb external sound, are there any prefered chipsets, or will any old generic unmarked item do just as well? [01:23] galaxina: better to do some reasearch and find stuff thats known to work [01:23] hi, I have an ubuntu server, and I'd like a solution to backup a mac and a win7 pc to one of its drives over the network incrementally that's easy to use. Any suggestions? [01:24] dr_willis, x@Media:~$ vncserver --kill :1 [01:24] Couldn't start Xtightvnc; trying default font path. [01:24] Please set correct fontPath in the vncserver script. [01:24] Couldn't start Xtightvnc process. [01:26] check vncserver man page.. it may be -kill or the # may be differnt [01:26] kevinch, i think your "easy to use" is making it harder than it is [01:26] vncserver -kill :1 worked here [01:27] note the single dash [01:27] okay how about has a webgui instead [01:27] !ebox | kevinch [01:27] kevinch: zentyal is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Zentyal (Project formally known as eBox - including in Lucid/10.04). [01:27] kevinch, again i think that makes it harder than it is. what would the webgui do [01:27] yeah nvm [01:27] kevinch: with backups its all about the details of what you are doing and how much data and how often. [01:27] just easy to setup [01:27] unison may have a port for all 3 os;s [01:27] !info unison [01:27] unison (source: unison): file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.40.65-1ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 616 kB, installed size 1690 kB [01:28] dr_willis, damnit the kill command worked, but it still says its already running same error as before [01:28] I tried setting up backuppc and had some difficulties, could never get it working dr_willis [01:28] XxXxX: check your ps output - kill all teh vncservers, then clean out the pid files in .vnc and then try again and check the logs [01:28] fizikz: Unlike with BIOS based booting, with [U]EFI based booting the kernel needs to match the architecute of the boot firmware, or it won't be able to use [U]EFI services, some of which are important for graphics. [01:28] XxXxX: it may be the pid files.. each time vncserver runs it can start a NEW seperate session [01:29] dr_willis, no pid files in ~/.vnc [01:29] dr_willis, nothing running with vnc in name using ps -ef | grep vnc [01:29] limac: What command did you run that gave that error message? [01:31] dr_willis, the majority of cheap usb sound interfaces never say what chipsets they use and when there's a brand name it's usually meaningless [01:31] Jordan_U: i wonder if the 'fakebios' entry in the grub.conf in post i sent before has something to do with that. i'm really just stabbing in the dark here. however, that grub.cfg did work for the poster, so i wonder what i need to do to get it working for me [01:32] fizikz: Did that poster have exactly the same hardware as you? [01:32] dr_willis, google is my friend, had to do vncserver :1 [01:32] XxXxX: so whats your exact xstartup file look like? and whats the exact erorr message [01:32] all working now! [01:32] dr_willis, btw xfce is /usr/bin/startxfce4 [01:33] Jordan_U: the hardware is the same as the one i intend to run the live usb on. the current hardware i have to test with is a bit newer. [01:33] I dont plan on using xfce any time soon. ;P [01:33] dr_willis any backup solutions pop into your head? don't really care about webgui as long as it won't take days to try and setup to do xplatform [01:33] dr_willis, xfce is awesome [01:33] dr_willis, so I can close the vnc viewer and it will stay the way it is right ? [01:33] kevinch: i just pop in a external usb hd.. and do it the old fashioned way [01:33] XxXxX: it should [01:33] ah ok [01:34] XxXxX: you could caonnect with differnt vnc viewers from differnt machines also [01:34] fizikz: The problems you're having are very hardware specific, what will work on one machine is likely to fail on another and visa-versa, especially with the combinations of linux-unfriendly hardware found in macs. [01:34] XxXxX: have fun. ;) [01:35] dr_willis, I always do once I get something to work [01:35] dr_willis, escott thx so much [01:36] for some reason, xfce is depressing to look at [01:37] Jordan_U: do you have a clue as to the cause of the kernel panic error? what confuses me further is that the poster's solution doesn't involve loopback.cfg as you mentioned [01:37] how do i install java from terminal? [01:38] Sach, sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre [01:38] Sach, if you need the JDK, then sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk [01:40] TheLordOfTime: I'm trying t install a .exe file, which says I need to install a Java Runtime Environment [01:40] Sach, um... a .exe is a windows executable [01:40] not an Ubuntu executable [01:40] TheLordOfTime: yes, I know. I'm using Wine [01:40] Sach, you'd need to download and install the Windows version of Oracle Java [01:40] and that i dont think you can do via command line [01:41] nor do i think it'll be 100% stable [01:42] TheLordOfTime: do you know how I install a windoes version f oracle java? [01:42] wine? [01:42] Sach, should be obvious if you've used windows, go to java.com and find the correct installer, download it, run it. [01:42] fizikz: That kernel panic appears to be caused by the init scripts not being able to find the partition containing the iso, though I don't understand why it's a kernel panic rather than dropping you to an initramfs shell. It might be that the kernel for some reason (like bad drivers) can't access the USB drive. [01:42] What would be the best shell to use with compiz at the moment? It's almost but not quite perfect with gnome fallback [01:43] Jordan_U: is there something i can do to narrow down the problem? [01:43] Sach, http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp [01:43] Sach, download the Windows Offline insttaller for the architecture you're on (32-bit or 64-bit) [01:43] fizikz: There are two reasons that the poster probably didn't use the loopback.cfg method, first because it's not well known, and second because they wanted to add additional kernel parmaters. [01:44] Only problem I'm getting is compiz isn't using the virtual desktops the gnome is showing [01:45] fizikz: Try booting from the netinstall kernel and initrd, from there you'll have a very minimal system even if the kernel doesn't have the needed USB drivers. But ideally you want to be debugging problems on the hardware you're actually going to try to install Ubuntu to. [01:46] Jordan_U: unfortunately i don't have access to the actual hardware it's meant to run on. that is 3000km away... how do i boot the netinstall kernel and initrd? [01:50] fizikz: Actually, before that I would recommend trying an Ubuntu 12.10 64 bit iso, using the loopback.cfg method. [U]EFI support is under heavy development and many improvements were made between 12.04 and 12.10. [01:51] After a fresh installation of UBUNTU 12.10 amd64, the system can't detect the wired ethernet, so I install the compatiable wireless driver ( as the google search results) and both the wired and wireless works, but new problem comes, the led of my wireless doesn't light up [01:51] do you have any ideas? [01:53] fizikz: If you want to try the netinstall kernel and initrd, grab them from the minimal iso and (at least at first) try loading them with *no* kernel paremeters, just "linux /path/to/linux; initrd /path/to/initrd.gz". [01:54] Jordan_U: ok, i'm downloading it and i'll give it a try. thanks for the ideas. [01:54] !minimal | fizikz [01:54] fizikz: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [01:54] fizikz: You're welcome. [01:55] any good calculator in ubuntu ? [01:55] Jordan_U: ok, i'll try the minimal iso and no kernel parameters too [01:57] irc.snoonet.com [01:57] ouyes: The default GNOME Calculator is quite nice, as is "bc" which also comes by default (on the other end of the spectrum). What type of calculator are you looking for? [01:58] Jordan_U, do you remember the ubuntu 10.04 's calculator, you can choose advanced function like programming scientific [01:59] Jordan_U, the default calculator of ubuntu 12.10 is too small [01:59] ouyes: GNOME Calculator still has scientific and programming modes, you can switch to them from the "Mode" menu. [02:00] ouyes: gcalctool has scientific [02:00] Jordan_U, where is the Mode menu [02:02] Jordan_U: do you mean i should try the netinstall idea with the loopback.cfg template entry in grub.cfg, or the entries similar to the poster's grub.cfg (minus any kernel parameters)? [02:03] So, you old-time gurus here. Where did you get your knowledge? IT tech, Comp science, Self taught What? My self teaching with my casual usage is too slow!! [02:03] mikodo: Google + diy ditros [02:04] dodo3773, Whats diy [02:04] mikodo: That's a question for #ubuntu-offtopic. [02:04] mikodo: do it yourself [02:04] dodo3773, cool [02:04] mikodo: Jordan_U is right though. It is pretty offtopic [02:05] dodo3773, OK #ubuntu-offtopic it is Thx. === pug is now known as Guest11967 === Guest11967 is now known as DaveR [02:06] mikodo: I am there. [02:07] ouyes, or just install octave [02:09] ouyes: In Ubuntu 12.04, at the top of the window. In Ubuntu 12.10 there is no separate Mode menu, you just select the mode from the "Calculator" drop down menu at the top of the screen. [02:10] fizikz: The mini.iso doesn't have a loopback.cfg, so you can't use the loopback.cfg template with it. For mini.iso you could use an entry like this: menuentry "Mini (netboot) iso" { search --set=root --file /mini.iso; loopback loop /mini.iso; root=(loop); linux /linux; initrd initrd.gz; } === chiluk is now known as chiluk_away [02:10] why doesn't compiz grid properly resize virtualbox? [02:15] fizikz: The full entry, with newlines rather than ';', would be http://paste.debian.net/plain/216687 [02:16] fizikz: And that assumes that you put the mini.iso in the root of the filesystem, named 'mini.iso'. (I mentioned extracting the kernel and initrd from the iso earlier, but this example doesn't require you to do that). === adante_ is now known as adante === mfisch` is now known as mfisch === mfisch is now known as Guest96749 [02:18] Jordan_U: thank you. about the "linux /linux" part, it is not needed to have it prepended by "(loop)" ? [02:19] hello [02:19] hi [02:19] fizikz: Correct, it is not. If you don't specify a device name as part of a path in grub it defaults to the value of $root, since we have "root=(loop)" "linux /linux" is exactly the same as "linux (loop)/linux". [02:23] hey ya'll, i've got a Brother QL-500 label printer... can anyone help me get it up and running? [02:24] I highlighted everything Photorec recovered (although it wasn't on when I woke in the morning to check it...) It only showed 48.9 gigs of info, but when I checked the disk 400 gigs of space had been taken up. What's up with that? Where can I find the rest of my 352 gigs of info? [02:28] Blake, photorec never claims to be able to recover all or even a substantial fraction of your data [02:30] escott: well then why is there an extra 400 gigs of space taken up on the drive I recovered the data to? [02:30] So I find myself somewhat bored and I was wondering if anybody could point me in the direction of an entertaining IRC channel? [02:31] Blake, are there any hidden files? there is a utility baobab that will analyze and identify where your disk usage is coming from [02:31] hello [02:33] Hidden files? From the original OS? No. I never hid any files there. I used disk usage analyzer after I saw ubuntu claiming all of the recovery folders I highlighted amassed to be 50 gigs. It showed an extra 400 gigs full on my 1 tb drive i had recovered the data too [02:33] to* [02:33] i am using ubuntu 12.04 and have a external mac formatted hard disk. it's a hfs+ (journaled) hard disk to be exact. it mounts read-write in ubuntu. isn't it supposed to not support journaling? [02:34] Blake, filenames that begin with a "." are hidden by default [02:36] escott: does photorec automatically hide them during the recovery process? If so, where do I find the hidden files? [02:36] aprilhare, (a) they are always working to enable rw with journaling so one day hopefully it just mounts rw (b) it can be forced to rw with journaling (the kernel warns against this) (c) there may be a userspace driver for HFS+ check the output of "mount" to see what driver you are using for the HFS [02:37] Blake, i've never used photorec so i couldnt tell you. use baobab to figure out where the 400GB, just keep drilling down into the larger folders [02:37] escott: thanks for the info. how do i use the mount command to do that? [02:37] escott: thank you I will try that [02:38] aprilhare, "mount" and look for where your hfs+ partition is mounted. see if it says "fuse" [02:38] ok thanks [02:40] alright so I have a pi running raspbian and a laptop running ubuntu, I have been trying to bridge them to share the wireless connection's internet on the laptop for awhile now and I have failed so far, ideas? [02:40] Henesy, you mean bridging eth on the ubuntu [02:41] ja [02:41] eth0 to eth0 [02:42] well, eth1 has the wireless and eth0 is connected to the pi [02:42] Henesy, have you tried a static ip for the rasberry [02:42] mhm [02:43] so its ... pi --> wired --> ubuntu --> Internet [02:43] ja [02:43] so its ... pi --> wired --> ubuntu - wireless -> Internet [02:43] ;) [02:43] :D [02:43] the pi can ping the ubuntu box and visa versa? [02:43] Henesy, i wonder if you can even do that. the encrypted packets over the wireless are they fixed to the MAC address of the receiver [02:44] Ip masquerading - can do it. also called 'NAT' i belive [02:44] not sure how you want me to ping the pi/vice versa without an ip to look at [02:44] done it years ago.. only was going pc1 wired -> pc -> dialup [02:44] you may want to put a dhcp server on the ubuntu box. [02:44] Jordan_U: tested the netinstall mini.iso and the Ubuntu 12.10 64bit iso. in both cases the screen froze immediately after selecting the entry for it in grub. it seems to me whether using the loopback.cfg or not, without the kernel parameters, it gets nowhere. [02:45] that way the pi gets an ip and other info [02:45] or else you will need to setup static ips [02:45] !ics [02:45] If you want to share the internet connection of your Ubuntu machine with other machines in the network see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing [02:47] Can't seem to get restart to work. I've changed grub and even wiped out the old one and reinstalled but it still doesn't restart; just gets to a certain spot and the screen goes black and that's the end [02:48]