[03:38] <len-1304> holstein, I found something missing in thunar. File searching. So I switched back to nautilus/files. there is a search function, but I can't get it to work :P
[03:39] <len-1304> zequence, 13.04 with files can you get the search function to work?
[04:36] <micahg> len-1304: can those uploads wait until Wed?  I'm piloting then
[05:12] <Len-nb> OK, should I remind you then?
[05:12] <Len-nb> micahg, ^^
[05:13] <Len-nb> what time?
[05:15] <micahg> Len-nb: nah, it's on my list
[05:15] <micahg> the ISOs were fine though, so I'll respin the meta in the morning (to get blender back)
[05:17] <Len-nb> micahg, thanks
[08:18] <ttoine> hello
[15:14] <zequence> len-1304: Seens to me Nautilus only does local searches, withing the folder
[15:14] <zequence> I find that new search functionality slower than the previous one
[15:15] <zequence> Or, they seem to have removed the search function and replaced it with go-to-this-folder-or-file
[15:15] <zequence> If you start typing, the search function starts automtically
[15:16] <zequence> It used to be, that if you selected anything inside the main view, and started typing, the first hit would get selected. It was fast. Now, the view redraws also, removing all other results
[15:16] <zequence> That's the only difference
[15:17] <zequence> ..aside from there not seeming to be any real search function anymore
[15:49] <ttoine> If I would like to set up a testing pc with the Ubuntu Studio LTS, current and +1, what would the best way ? having a common /boot ?
[15:49] <ttoine> or is there a more easy way to do that ?
[15:58] <astraljava> Depends on what you want to test. If the whole thing from start to finish, then nothing can be mutual.
[15:59] <astraljava> You would also need three separate hard drives for that as well, so as to test the different installation methods. (re: whole-disk case)
[16:00] <astraljava> Then there's also the new RAID method (was that in ubiquity-installer, yet?). But that's getting a bit fancy, IMHO. :)
[16:02] <ttoine> astraljava, better to use virtual box ?
[16:04] <astraljava> ttoine: Easier and faster, yes.
[16:23] <zequence> I don't thinkt it's nessecary to do testing installs for 12.04 and 12.10
[16:23] <zequence> Only for 13.04
[16:24] <zequence> Virtualbox is not a real machine, so there are things that might happen during install with an actual machine, that will never happen on Virtualbox
[16:25] <zequence> hardware related of course. devices.
[16:25] <holstein> i have my studio rig... i just unplug the actual hard drives and plug in a test hard drive
[16:26] <zequence> ttoine: What kind of testing were you thinking of doing on the released versions?
[16:26] <holstein> i do some vbox testing too, but i try and do metal for our stuff... you cant really test jack and audio performance in VM
[16:27] <zequence> Yea, that's another issue too of course, absolutely
[16:32] <ttoine> zequence, my aim was to have a laptop or something like that I can use for workshops, and hardware testing
[16:33] <ttoine> holstein, that the problem
[16:33] <ttoine> that's
[16:34] <ttoine> perhaps the better is to install Ubuntu Studio on usb keys
[16:34] <ttoine> And then keep the Ubuntu Studio used for workshop on main OS
[16:35] <holstein> its just grub really
[16:35] <ttoine> and boot on usb keys with +1, etc..
[16:35] <zequence> I don't think dual booting is too bad of an idea either
[16:35] <holstein> the installers used to ask.. now they assume (like windows) that this is the only operating system, and that you dont know what a bootloader is
[16:35] <ttoine> holstein, just grub... it is not "just" when it is about grub ;-)
[16:36] <holstein> i used to just make some free space,, or install to a USB stick and specify where grub should go, or not install it at all... i miss 10.04 in a lot of ways
[16:36] <zequence> I forget if our ubiquity is different (I don't do standard installs very often). Ubuntu let's you choose where to install GRUB
[16:36] <holstein> zequence: not anymore
[16:36] <holstein> zequence: at least, i dont see that option
[16:36] <zequence> holstein: It did last time I checked
[16:36] <ttoine> not anymore
[16:37] <zequence> During partitioning
[16:37] <holstein> zequence: yup.. 10.04 was the last time you checked then
[16:37] <holstein> zequence: nope
[16:37] <zequence> holstein: 13.04
[16:37] <ttoine> zequence, did you used custom partitionning ?
[16:37] <holstein> zequence: do share.. cause i havent seen that option since 10.04
[16:37] <zequence> I always do custom partitioning
[16:38] <ttoine> zequence, that is why you see that choice for grub installation
[16:38] <zequence> It's there, anyway
[16:38] <holstein> i'll have to look again.. i do both custom and auto, and i didnt see it
[16:39] <holstein> when i setup 12.04 on my studio rig i did custom, thought i had specified no grub, and it blew out my grub anyway
[16:39] <ttoine> holstein, zequence, do you have many or only one hard drive ?
[16:39] <holstein> i have 2 in my studio rig, but at install, i just had the one
[16:40] <ttoine> maybe that's why there is no choice : only one hard drive
[16:40] <holstein> i backup to my 1tb internal drive, mirror to my 1tb external drive.. then unplug both of those (after burning things im getting paid to work on to blueray disc)
[16:41] <ttoine> that's why I don't use my main pc for tests
[16:41] <holstein> well, that wasnt for a test though.. i wanted to move on to 12.04, but i left 10.04 there in case i need low latency... or something doesnt move well
[16:44] <zequence> ubuntu has only two install isos for desktops now, I think. The regular one, and the netinstall mini.iso (they stopped making alternate)
[16:44] <zequence> But those two cover all use cases
[16:45] <holstein> i dont think its necessary... maybe helpful with low-ram and older systems, which are screwed for diffrent reasons
[16:45] <zequence> For Ubuntu Studio users the only tricky part is to add realtime privilege
[16:45] <holstein> i mean, we cant support older machines forever..
[16:45] <zequence> The alternate is not for old machines
[16:45] <zequence> It's a way to make custom installs
[16:45] <zequence> You can cherrypick everything
[16:46] <holstein> sure, but its helpful on lower memeory machines.. and thats all thats left
[16:46] <holstein> you can do custom partitioning and encryption and everything else AFAIK from the normal iso's
[16:47] <zequence> Yea, but you can't install wihtout unity, and a bunch of other stuff that you might not want
[16:47] <holstein> lower ram requirments would be the only valid argument i can think of for wanting an alternate iso now.. assumimg the grub thing works
[16:47] <zequence> It's only one reason. Not the *only* reason
[16:47] <holstein> what im propsing is.. its the only reason left that is valid
[16:47] <holstein> the low memory requirements
[16:48] <holstein> since the other features are available in the normal iso now
[16:48] <zequence> Perhaps you're thinking about Ubuntu Studio now. I'm thinking of custom Ubuntu installations
[16:48] <holstein> whatever
[16:48] <zequence> You can't perform a expert install with a regular Ubuntu ISO
[16:49] <holstein> sure.. and what is that expert install?
[16:49] <holstein> custom partitioning?
[16:49] <holstein> encryption?
[16:49] <zequence> Aside from ubuntu-minimal, which is just the GNU tools and a kernel, you can choose every piece of software that goes on it
[16:50] <zequence> You can even install without a kernel
[16:50] <zequence> So, ubuntu-minimal is really just the GNU tools with some Ubuntu specific settings
[16:52] <zequence> For someone installing Ubuntu Studio, they might not be worrying about that amount of choice, since they already made the choice to install Ubuntu Studio with everything that comes with it
[16:53] <micahg> Studio gave up on low memory when they went for the PAE only kernel option in precise
[16:54] <holstein> i thought that was ubuntu-wide? the pae thing
[16:58] <zequence> holstein: the netinstall ISO is an alternate ISO, but with very little on it. You get it all down the net instead. That's why they quit making alternate, as there were two ISO's doing pretty much the same thing
[16:59] <zequence> It's a little trickier to find it though. You have too google it
[17:00] <micahg> holstein: it was, but Xubuntu and Lubuntu kept the non-PAE kernel as default on i386
[17:01] <micahg> at the time, it was determined that US users inherently needed more memory for the workflows (I guess that doesn't preclude taking them into account now though :))
[17:01] <holstein> i didnt know that was an option. i think it was because we didnt have the resources to maintain 2 kernels.. a pae and non pae lowlatency
[17:01] <micahg> it's all built from the same source
[17:01] <holstein> well.. we dont need to support low memory setups.
[18:36] <ttoine> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/flowblade-multitrack-non-linear-video-editor-for-linux.html
[18:36] <ttoine> a new non linear video editor
[18:37] <ttoine> I will ask one of my contact to test it, he is a video expert
[23:37] <len-1304> zequence, so the nautilus search is essentially useless... the tree view is gone.... is there any reason left to use nautilus? It seems we need to add a search util anyway
[23:38] <len-1304> holstein, the mini ISO is also useful for custom installs. It is sometimes easier to use that and make up one meta package for the rest than to make a new distro.