[05:26] <ScottK> Riddell: No more kdegames stuff in New.  I did do some more fixups on a few before acceptings.
[05:26] <ScottK> s/acceptings/accepting/
[05:26] <kubotu> ScottK meant: "Riddell: No more kdegames stuff in New.  I did do some more fixups on a few before accepting."
[06:10] <Tm_T> huh?
[06:11] <Tm_T> "What’s the largest desktop migration to Ubuntu so far?85,000 desktops. La Gendarmerie Nationale, part of the French police force, faced growing IT infrastructure costs and decided to review its existing Microsoft-based environment."
[06:11] <Tm_T> I thought we had way bigger
[06:48] <soee> good morning
[08:22] <invariant> When is 4.9.5 going to be released for precise?
[08:42] <tsdgeos> 4.9.5 doesn't exist yet
[08:42] <tsdgeos> if you are speaking of a kde sc release
[08:59] <invariant> tsdgeos, I am referring to a fix for 311246.
[09:05] <yofel_> kde bug 311246
[09:07] <yofel_> invariant: that should already be fixed in precise, do you still get the crash?
[09:08] <invariant> yofel_, yes
[09:09] <invariant> yofel, I see that a new release has already been made. 
[09:09] <yofel> invariant: what's the dolphin version that you have installed?
[09:09] <invariant> yofel, most likely that will solve it then.
[09:10] <yofel> please check, 4:4.9.4-0ubuntu0.1~ubuntu12.04.1~ppa2 should work
[09:10] <invariant> yofel, with kde-build-src, how can I set the configuration directory used (usually .kde)?
[09:12] <yofel> ~/.kde? That should be $KDEHOME if I remember correctly
[09:13] <invariant> yofel, ok, so if I just want to run one application from source, I can cp -r .kde .kdemy KDEHOME=.kdemy pathtomycompileddolphin ?
[09:15] <yofel> should work. But I can't really guarantee what will happen as I haven't done that in a long time
[10:31] <Riddell> new wallpaper http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/18/g4058-2560.png !
[10:38] <Tm_T> so... KDE 3.2-esque?
[10:39] <Tm_T> or what it was
[10:39] <Tm_T> not bad, I like it
[10:42] <yofel> +1 - grey was depressive
[10:47] <Riddell> I approve of the purple, always have since feisty
[10:48] <soee> Riddell, this is the new wallp ?
[10:49] <Riddell> that's what I said
[10:53] <Tm_T> I like how in my laptop display that purple is almost blue while on external monitor it has strong pink/purple
[11:17] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:24] <Tm_T> ay hell
[12:36] <apachelogger> my system is broken
[12:36] <Riddell> uh oh
[12:36] <Riddell> what happened?
[12:36] <apachelogger> I have no idea
[12:36] <apachelogger> initramfs gets stuck
[12:36] <apachelogger> when doing a modprobe on i915
[12:36] <apachelogger> totallyw eird
[12:37] <apachelogger> well, actually the modprobe seems to get stuck
[12:38] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/627224/
[12:39] <apachelogger> stupid kms
[12:46] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I had an important production environment failing to mount ext2 last week
[12:46] <Tm_T> I felt like a winner
[12:55]  * apachelogger sighs
[13:07] <ScottK> Riddell: I'll be offline most of the day, but i think kde games are all done now.  Would you please check and make sure there aren't any missing (i.e. rejected and not reuploaded)?
[13:14] <Riddell> ScottK: yep, got them all synced to bzr thanks for the fixes
[13:28] <Quintasan> \o
[13:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: Looking at plasma media center
[13:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: worth a try again
[13:31] <Riddell> ask ksinny for any help
[13:31] <Riddell> it needs a datamodel thing from plasma active
[13:31] <Riddell> and of course it needs nepomuk in a working state
[13:33] <Quintasan> apparently I have everything apart from QtMultimediaKit which is optional
[13:34] <Quintasan> well
[13:34] <Quintasan> it compiles
[13:34] <Quintasan> and runs
[13:35] <Quintasan> but does nothing
[13:36] <Riddell> hmm not sure that's optional
[13:36] <Riddell> if that's how it plays audio and video
[13:36] <Riddell> and it needs nepomuk and thingy plasma active data model
[13:37] <vHanda> AFAIK Nepomuk is optional
[13:38] <Riddell> it can browse files in a traditional way to some extent
[13:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: TBH it compiled just fine without qt magic
[13:39] <Quintasan> and it didn't whine about plasma-active data model
[13:39] <Quintasan> oh
[13:39] <Quintasan> wait
[13:39] <Quintasan> what
[13:39] <Quintasan> it fixed itself
[13:40] <Riddell> it doesn't whine
[13:40] <Riddell> it just won't work
[13:40] <Quintasan> well
[13:40] <Quintasan> it works
[13:40] <Quintasan> somehow it started working
[13:41] <Riddell> hmm
[13:41] <Quintasan> at first run I had only icons
[13:41] <Quintasan> and clicking on them did nothing
[13:42] <Quintasan> searching music is not as fast I wish it was
[13:42] <Quintasan> well
[13:42] <ronnoc> Riddell: Is there a public source on the web confirming the new wallpaper (which, BTW is awesome compared to the old depressing one)
[13:42] <Quintasan> it's not even beta, is it?
[13:43] <ronnoc> Riddell: Also, I have 13.04 to iron now full-time for daily use so feel free to ping me for testing, etc. :)
[13:45] <Quintasan> Riddell: I can package it but I would not put it anywhere in repos
[13:45] <Quintasan> I'd rather do a weekly build for it in PPA
[13:46] <Riddell> new wallpapers in http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.10/kde-wallpapers/
[13:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: You can't even navigate using keyboard alone or mouse alone right now
[13:46] <ronnoc> Quintasan: If you enable a PPA for PMC, ping me for testing
[13:47] <Riddell> ronnoc: I'll remember to make use of that promise :)
[13:47] <Quintasan> ronnoc: I won't create a PPA just for it, it will be part of both project neon and I think I'll either put it in my ppa
[13:47] <Quintasan> or
[13:47] <jussi> ronnoc: +++++ on the old wallpaper being depressing...
[13:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can we put weeklies in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental?
[13:48] <Riddell> Quintasan: well you can but since the point of that PPA is to be able to throw random things in who knows what it'll build against
[13:48]  * ronnoc Is willing to bet people went to Mint KDE just because the wallpaper kicked ass
[13:48] <jussi> ronnoc: hehe, some I guess :P
[13:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll put it to staging then
[13:49] <ronnoc> jussi: :)
[13:49] <apachelogger> system fixed \o/
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: unless I did something wrong kdm would always end up on VT8 by default
[13:50] <apachelogger> (plymouth starts on 7 and supposedly due to KMS it is considered in use by KDM, so it uses the next free one)
[13:50] <ronnoc> Quintasan: Since I'm running 13.04 no sense in me installing PN yet is there? I would just like to have a testing respoitory somewhere for it. If it's your personal one or whatever just let me know :)
[13:51] <ronnoc> Riddell: I'll look forward to it. This release is going to be hella-solid. 
[13:51] <Quintasan> I think it will be in my private PPA for now
[13:53] <Quintasan> oh wait
[13:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: how did you fix it?
[13:53] <Quintasan> ronnoc: We already have dailies for plasma-mediacenter
[13:53] <Quintasan> using Project Neon
[13:54] <ronnoc> Quintasan:  That applicacable to 13.04 as well?
[13:54] <Quintasan> oh well
[13:54] <Quintasan> not really
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: drop the patch
[13:55] <apachelogger> actually I just noticed that plymouth quit is async, so the init job prolly has to wait
[13:55] <ronnoc> Quintasan:  that's what I thought. hence my desire for a PPA :p
[13:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: moi?
[14:04] <yofel> Quintasan: the last thing I heard about the PN PMC builds was that they don't work (thanks to qtmobility). I haven't looked at it since then
[14:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: did you follow build steps at  http://www.sinny.in/node/25  ?
[14:06] <Riddell> there's a guy has packages in blueleaflinux/ppa
[14:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: more or less
[14:08] <Quintasan> yofel: I have no idea why that compiles
[14:08] <Quintasan> yofel: libqt4-opengl-dev, shared-desktop-ontologies are required deps yet our pn package has no such things
[14:09] <Riddell> -dev is a required dep?
[14:09] <Riddell> kde-runtime brings in shared-desktop-ontologies
[14:09] <yofel> -kdelibs pulls in SDO and opengl, and qt4opengl is part of -qt
[14:10] <yofel> Quintasan: so it builds fine, but mobility seems to cause a mess
[14:12] <Quintasan> mmkay
[14:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: nah, me
[14:15] <apachelogger> le crap
[14:15] <Riddell> Quintasan: using the one from blueleaflinux/ppa it has keyboard navigation
[14:15] <apachelogger> plymouth quit && plymouth --wait does not work
[14:15] <apachelogger> plymouth quit && plymouth --wait && sleep 1 does work
[14:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, I don't really care about what's there, I'll ask the packager if he is going to upstream his changes
[14:17] <Quintasan> ronnoc: add ppa:quintasan/ppa and wait
[14:17] <Quintasan> ronnoc: https://code.launchpad.net/~quintasan/+recipe/plasma-mediacenter-weekly
[14:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: I don't think he's made any changes, he's just done packages
[14:18] <Quintasan> theoretically it should build at first try
[14:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: Then he has something that upstream didn't do
[14:18] <Quintasan> cloned the repo as is, compiled and still can't navigate everything using keyboard only
[14:18] <Quintasan> for example when you browse pictures
[14:19] <Quintasan> you select one
[14:19] <Quintasan> it goes full screen
[14:19] <Quintasan> and arrows on keyboard do nothing here
[14:19] <Riddell> oh I don't know about everywhere
[14:19] <Riddell> that might be asking a bit much :)
[14:19] <Quintasan> really?
[14:20] <Quintasan> I though browsing through pictures using arrows and page up/down is common
[14:22] <Quintasan> it doesnt play gifs
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: so.... unless we make the upstart script sleep for one second I can always make it go to VT8 as VT7 is at that point still used by plymouth despite using plymouth --wait
[14:24] <apachelogger> opinions?
[14:25] <Quintasan> ronnoc: raring build is apparently up
[14:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: control via keys is not a prime use case if you are designing for pointer based input devices
[14:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It's a freaking media canter
[14:26] <Quintasan> center*
[14:26] <apachelogger> well
[14:26] <Quintasan> You don't use a mouse to navigate that
[14:26] <apachelogger> I did not say mouse
[14:26] <Quintasan> >pointer-based
[14:26] <Quintasan> You implied it
[14:27] <apachelogger> imagine a touch screeny device DLNAing crap to your TV set or, for all intents and purposes, just sending the video signal there
[14:28] <apachelogger> would not have a physical keyboard nor would you want one in that setup
[14:29] <apachelogger> OTOH a computer wired to your TV would probably have key based input
[14:29] <apachelogger> in fact, the TV does too ^^
[14:30] <apachelogger> so if you are designing for former you'd not care and if you were designing for latter you'd very much care
[14:31] <apachelogger> (seeing as former is however a very hightechy setup one gets to wonder whether it should be the target :P)
[14:31] <apachelogger> (also it implies upnp support, which we do not have)
[14:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: we don't use kdm so I don't think it matters much and we should drop the patch
[14:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: we agreed on that already, now I am telling you that dropping the patch requires additional changes to the init job such as a sleep 1
[14:33] <Riddell> oh meh
[14:34] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/627266/
[14:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: well yeah looks ok
[14:36]  * apachelogger really wonders why that sleep is needed though :(
[14:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 641712 what to do?
[14:58]  * Riddell adds homerun to the seed
[15:01] <Riddell> hi ricktimmis 
[15:01] <ricktimmis> Hey Jonathan, how are you today ?
[15:02] <Riddell> ca va
[15:02] <ricktimmis> Tre bienne
[15:02] <ricktimmis> I'm working through the MOTU docs, and getting a Dev environment setup.
[15:03] <ricktimmis> Didn't look at patching Ubiquity yet to test, as wasn'y sure how to approach it, and didn't want to look daft asking.
[15:03] <ricktimmis> What I mean by this is
[15:03] <Riddell> ricktimmis: actually I put the patch in, but it still needs testing
[15:03] <Riddell> ricktimmis: so if you can grab a daily image and test that would be uber cool
[15:03] <ricktimmis> Do I patch a prebuild then make an ISO, or can I simply patch the ISO and try the installer with the new code, or am I so far off I should really go RTFM
[15:04] <ricktimmis> Ah ha is it patched now in the daily build ?
[15:05] <Riddell> ricktimmis: yes, so needs testing before anyone notices it's broken
[15:05] <ricktimmis> Ah right OK, well I have today's buildin Testdrive, will do it for you now, brb
[15:08]  * Riddell out for a bit
[15:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping
[15:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: Since we got moved to universe, can't we just build amarok with all features?
[15:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[15:26] <Quintasan> gotta package kdevelop
[15:28] <Quintasan> yofel: bad things will happen if I upgrade to 4.9.90?
[15:28] <Quintasan> oh well
[15:29] <Quintasan> whatever
[15:29] <yofel> not really
[15:29] <Quintasan> I will be installing raring anyways
[15:29] <Quintasan> INSTALL ALL THE THINGS
[15:29] <yofel> today should be rc1 tagging anyway
[15:30] <Quintasan> oh
[15:30] <Quintasan> so new kdevelop is in raring
[15:30] <Quintasan> but we ain't got backports
[15:31] <yofel> uhm, 4.4.1 is in quantal-updates - is there something newer?
[15:31] <Quintasan> it is there?
[15:31]  * Quintasan didn't notice it there
[15:31] <Quintasan> whatever
[15:31] <yofel> !info kdevelop quantal-updates
[15:31] <yofel> uhuh...
[15:31] <yofel> !info kdevelop quantal
[15:31] <Quintasan> See
[15:31] <yofel> !info kdevelop quantal-proposed
[15:32] <yofel> this is le broken
[15:32] <yofel>      4:4.4.1-0ubuntu0.1 0
[15:32] <yofel>         500 http://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/ubuntu/ quantal-updates/universe amd64 Packages
[15:32] <Quintasan> I believe shadeslayer broke it
[15:32] <Quintasan> mfw I started hacking on Amarok
[15:32] <Quintasan> I have absloutely no idea what I'm doing
[15:32] <Quintasan> but I pray it will work
[15:33] <Quintasan> if it doesn't then I won't be able to avoid reading docs
[15:36] <Quintasan> Pakiet: /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-pl_4%3a4.9.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1_all.deb
[15:36] <Quintasan> Błąd: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/plasma_applet_printmanager.mo', which is also in package print-manager 0.2.0-0ubuntu3
[15:39] <yofel> Quintasan: will you fix that or should I?
[15:40] <Quintasan> yofel: go ahead
[15:41] <Quintasan> Don't want to break the Philip Muškovac streak over there :P
[15:41] <ricktimmis> Ridell: I have ISO 2012-12-18 06:42 - The fault persists, and appears unchanged from last weeks image.
[15:41] <yofel> lol
[15:42] <Quintasan> brb
[15:42] <ricktimmis> Riddell: No check box for Encrypt, and Radio button are all Mutex.
[15:44] <Quintasan> Works
[16:34] <shadeslayer> huh?
[16:34] <shadeslayer> whut
[16:35] <shadeslayer> from rmadison :   kdevelop | 4:4.4.1-0ubuntu0.1 | quantal-updates/universe | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
[16:35] <shadeslayer> whats wrong?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ubottu is broken
[16:37] <shadeslayer> don't blame me
[16:38] <shadeslayer> that new wallpaper is really nice
[16:47] <ronnoc> Riddell: +1 for Homerun. Should be the default IMHO.
[16:48] <ronnoc> Quintasan: Ok. Up where exactly? PN?
[16:53] <soee> no signs of rc1 ?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> not yet
[16:54] <shadeslayer> and it's tagging day today
[16:54] <shadeslayer> release probably will take a couple of days
[16:55] <soee> :)
[16:56] <shadeslayer> afiestas: kio-mtp ping, do you guys have a release planned?
[16:57] <shadeslayer> or should I ask someone to upload my git snapshot?
[16:57] <afiestas> no
[16:57] <shadeslayer> afiestas: so just upload a git snapshot?
[16:58] <shadeslayer> overall testing has been positive ... so just wondering
[17:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pong
[17:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: random thoughts on bug 1090788 ?
[17:04] <apachelogger> yofel: ^
[17:04] <yofel> would make it kinda useless - but I wouldn't vote against it if asked
[17:06] <apachelogger> yofel: would make what useless?
[17:08] <simplew> running 'kcmshell4 userconfig' crashes in raring
[17:10] <apachelogger> backtrace?
[17:13] <apachelogger> ricktimmis: FWIW, encrypting /home has a sizable impact on performance so defaulting to encryption sounds like a very bad idea (i.e. flame war ahead)
[17:16] <ricktimmis> apachelogger: No FW, that's fine, without overhead then defaulting to the most Secure state would seem appeal, but I agree don't do it if it creates a big overhead. Interestingly after posting that, I noticed that Lubuntu appears to have this working the way we would want.
[17:17] <simplew> apachelogger: its due to new python
[17:17] <apachelogger> ricktimmis: you mean autologin and encryption not being mutually exclusive?
[17:18] <simplew> apachelogger: tell how cani gdb 'kcmshell4 userconfig'
[17:18] <apachelogger> when a kde app crashes you should get a backtrace
[17:18] <apachelogger> also gdb --args foo bar foobar randomarg more random args
[17:19] <apachelogger> kubuntu_fix_screenshot_compile.diff ... not documented ... not mentioned in the changelog ... hooray
[17:20] <ricktimmis> apachelogger: Not quite they are Mutex in Lubuntu, but my thinking was the 2nd drive for /home use case where a stolen drive would benefit from encryption even if the user never realised encryption was enable, but perhaps that's an exception to prove the rule. 
[17:20]  * apachelogger bzr blames JontheEchidna
[17:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: y u no document patches?
[17:21] <ricktimmis> apachelogger: Out everything I posted the bit about hidding this from the user and defaulting to a Password login appeals, trying to keep things as simple as possible.
[17:21] <apachelogger> ricktimmis: well, you can turn on autologin after install
[17:21] <apachelogger> I think that allowing every possible option should not be a concern of the installer
[17:22] <apachelogger> ricktimmis: I am all for hiding things ;)
[17:22] <ricktimmis> apachelogger: Agreed, me too.
[17:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what's that patch do and why is it there and why is it not upstream and ...?
[17:23] <ricktimmis> apacherlogger: I posted because I understood from the report that a fix had been commited, I tested todays build of Raring, and the issue still appeared to be there. Most likely because I don't know what I am doing yet !
[17:23] <simplew> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1448005/
[17:24] <apachelogger> ricktimmis: it may be that the fix did not yet land on the build
[17:26] <apachelogger> ricktimmis: the change is not in the archive yet from what I can see
[17:27] <simplew> apachelogger: good enough?
[17:27] <apachelogger> simplew: do you get an error output as well?
[17:27] <apachelogger> fatalerror sounds like there should be an error message somewhere
[17:27] <simplew> apachelogger: an error output?
[17:28] <simplew> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1448017
[17:29] <simplew> apachelogger: like i said, its due to new python, userconfid needs to build against new python
[17:29] <apachelogger> ah yes
[17:29] <apachelogger> argument order seems to have changed in python 3.2
[17:30] <apachelogger> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/vim_dev/5MYb23t9ZBM
[17:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^ enjoy
[17:30] <apachelogger> simplew: userconfig is written entirely in python it needs no building at all
[17:34] <simplew> apachelogger: another thing, when in the window 'kcmshell4 userconfig' isnt possible to have the groups sorted by name
[17:34] <apachelogger> userconfig is unmaintained
[17:35] <simplew> so if isnt maintanined anymore why it continues to be packaged?
[17:35] <apachelogger> because it works(tm)
[17:35] <simplew> well now doesnt
[17:36] <apachelogger> whoop
[17:36] <apachelogger> pykde4 doesn't
[17:36] <apachelogger> more specifically the kpythonpluginfactory is not working
[17:37] <simplew> still if is packaged in kubuntu it should be maintained in some way, so why bother reporting bugs and provide support?
[17:42] <apachelogger> simplew: perhaps someone will pick it up continue development
[17:43] <simplew> apachelogger: i dont think thats a valid option, if its part of kubuntu default packages must be supported
[17:43] <simplew> apachelogger: else dropped
[17:43] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:43] <apachelogger> except I did not say it is not support
[17:43] <apachelogger> I said it is not maintained
[17:47] <simplew> apachelogger: well its has severall bugs, like not being able to sort groups by name, when you are creating a user and you set some group before the user is created the group name disapepars
[17:48] <simplew> apachelogger: so unless someone maintains it should be dropped
[17:48] <apachelogger> feel free to discuss it on the mailing list
[17:50] <apachelogger> simplew: whenever https://launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/staging/+build/4072217 is finished you can get a new version from ppa:apachelogger/staging which should fix the crash
[17:50]  * apachelogger leaves for today
[17:51] <simplew> apachelogger: how much time will take to appear on mirrors?
[17:51] <apachelogger> there are no mirrors because I have not uploaded it to the archive because I have no raring setup to test the change
[17:52] <apachelogger> so when that build there finishes it should be available from the ppa immediately or you can simply grab the debs manually
[17:52] <apachelogger> there are only like 3 or 4 anyway
[17:52] <apachelogger> now really -> away
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: <alaa> I have a question,is kubuntu.org/feature-tour really has screenshots that goes back to KDE 4.3.2 ?!
[18:26] <shadeslayer> from #kubuntu-devel
[18:26] <shadeslayer> erm
[18:26] <shadeslayer> #kubuntu
[18:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: very likely
[18:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: invite him to help fix it
[18:43] <shadeslayer> he's gone
[19:11] <ronnoc> Riddell: I'll help get it in shape. Who do I talk to? Also, is Calligra going to be coming back into the daily builds?
[19:15] <soee> i can help to with website stuff :)
[19:16] <Riddell> ronnoc: the feature tour?
[19:17] <Riddell> ronnoc: make improvements and we'll put them in 
[19:17] <Riddell> ooh all the helpers now
[19:19] <ronnoc> ok. will play around with it and send via mailing list, if that's the preferred way.
[19:19] <ricktimmis> apachelogger: Sorry was away for dinner, I see OK. I will watch out for the patch being release into the daily build and test when I can. Thanx
[19:20] <Riddell> ronnoc: daily builds as in neon?  I don't have much to do with that
[19:21] <Riddell> but there's a new calligra I just uploaded could do with a test
[19:21] <Riddell> in raring
[19:21] <ronnoc> Riddell: If I have Calligra installed in Raring should I just update to get the latest?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you upload ktp? because I forgot the meta package in there
[19:23] <Riddell> not yet
[19:24] <shadeslayer> ah cool
[19:24] <shadeslayer> uploaded it then
[19:24] <Riddell> still eating this haggis pizza
[19:24] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:24] <ronnoc> heh
[19:24] <ronnoc> Ok downloaded the updated Calligra. Will have a go and try to break things.
[19:26] <ronnoc> wow Krita is only 3.6MB. It's half the size of Stage! Who wudda thunk it. 
[19:46] <Riddell> ronnoc: I'd guess templates take up the space?
[19:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw any ideas why we don't ship whoopsie?
[19:53] <shadeslayer> seems like everyone else ships it
[19:53] <Riddell> nope
[19:54] <shadeslayer> something to investigate ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker
[19:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: we have an open bug that everyone else fixed - I'm just not convinced by the "fix"
[19:55] <shadeslayer> oh, which one?
[19:55] <yofel> why should kubuntu-desktop depend on it when apport is the only thing that uses it?
[19:56] <iulian_> hello, can someone please can help me to fix this    http://paste.kde.org/627428/
[19:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: bug 1001630
[19:57] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:57] <shadeslayer> I agree
[19:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: I just noticed this because apport prompts me to send reports
[19:58] <shadeslayer> but I didn't see anything being sent
[19:58] <shadeslayer> which is just as bad
[19:58] <Riddell> iulian_: /usr/share/applications/kde/kresources.desktop looks like a file you installed yourself, it's not in any of our packages
[19:59] <shadeslayer> so yeah, needs fixing in apport
[20:00] <Riddell> iulian_: when I look at that im-switch file it looks fine so I guess you're on quantal or older? I'm on raring
[20:00] <iulian_> kubuntu 10.10 kde 4.5.5 
[20:01] <Riddell> iulian_: ooh that's old, time to upgrade :)
[20:01] <ronnoc> Riddell: Yea definately all the included templates in Stage make it bigger - but I was equally suprised at the small size of Krita for all it does :)
[20:02] <iulian_> yes, yes just messed up some icons after upgrades think its something with hicolor-icon-theme
[20:02] <shadeslayer> actually
[20:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ~ » desktop-file-validate /usr/share/app-install/desktop/im-switch:im-switch.desktop                 shadeslayer@solembum
[20:02] <shadeslayer> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/im-switch:im-switch.desktop: error: value "Settings" for string list key "Categories" in group "Desktop Entry" does not have a semicolon (';') as trailing character
[20:03] <shadeslayer> on raring
[20:03] <shadeslayer> same for /usr/share/applications/im-switch.desktop
[20:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh you're right
[20:04] <shadeslayer> but it's more or less a warning and an upstream issue
[20:04] <Riddell> well it's a native package
[20:05] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:05]  * Quintasan was successful at thread managment in Qt
[20:05] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/627434
[20:05] <Quintasan> not that actually solves anything
[20:05] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:06] <Riddell> iulian_: ok so there is a wee something to fix, download the package, fix it, add changelog, rebuild source, get debdiff, report bug.  let me know if you need help with any of that
[20:06] <Quintasan> the next line blocks IO so I'm back at start
[20:06] <shadeslayer> haha
[20:07] <Quintasan> and the worst thing is
[20:07] <Quintasan> there is a method to write tags using threads
[20:07] <Quintasan> but there isn't one to read tags
[20:07] <Quintasan> and the next line is fucking reading the tag
[20:07] <Quintasan> !@$%$@#
[20:08] <iulian_> Riddell: it's not bug there is how file look http://paste.kde.org/627452/
[20:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Did you know that amarok did tag writing in the main thread?
[20:08] <shadeslayer> nope
[20:09] <Quintasan> It essentialy caused the whole ui to freeze is you tired to tag more files at once
[20:09] <Quintasan> The music would be still playing
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6PZhONZ3Ac
[20:09] <Quintasan> even if you killed the amarok window using ctrl+esc :D
[20:09] <shadeslayer> hah
[20:10] <Quintasan> I'm trying
[20:10] <Quintasan> I don't think I'll be able to though
[20:11] <Riddell> iulian_: there's no file at /usr/share/kde/services/kresources.desktop
[20:11] <Riddell> there was one at /usr/share/kde4/services/kresources.desktop but not any more
[20:11] <Riddell> so that issue isn't valid
[20:12] <Riddell> but the im-switch one can be fixed if you like
[20:14] <iulian_> ok, but what i have installed ro appear this file, seems like i have two desktop entries
[20:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: I would like upstream's opinion.  Plasma netbook is somewhat under maintained these days.  In general thought, I think the proposed change would not align well with being close to upstream.  Additionally, except for the page one thing, I don't find it particularly buggy.
[20:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: re bug 641712 - wontfix.
[20:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks for checking, re KDE games.
[20:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: breakage on armhf build of ktp-call-ui 0.5.2-0ubuntu1 in ubuntu raring PROPOSED
[20:29] <shadeslayer> yep, on it
[20:29] <shadeslayer> chroot problem?
[20:29] <shadeslayer> can't do much about it :P
[20:30] <Quintasan> ask lp admins to fix it
[20:30]  * Quintasan hides
[20:31] <yofel> just retry and hope you get a different builder this time
[20:35] <ronnoc> Has anyone tried the Ubuntu One Client on Raring yet? Or does anyone here use Ubnutu One? (I'm assuming not likely :P )
[20:36] <Riddell> not I
[20:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nasl is broken :P
[20:37] <ronnoc> Riddell: Ok. Seems to be broken in Raring. I submitted a bug. 
[20:39] <shadeslayer> heh, tp-logger-qt got nasl again
[22:11] <rick_timmis> ronnoc: I use Ubuntu One, as a DropBox type of system, not Music though
[22:30] <Quintasan> ronnoc: did you get the pmc build for raring or it failed?
[22:57] <shadeslayer> kewl
[22:57] <shadeslayer> RC1 uploaded
[22:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you run the initial upload?
[23:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm?
[23:03] <Riddell> oh, a late night SC release
[23:04] <Riddell> let's see what I can do
[23:04] <shadeslayer> aye
[23:31] <shadeslayer> apol: jumpy much? :P
[23:33] <Riddell> hmm it is public
[23:34] <Riddell> a mistake somewhere I think, RCs don't get a lot of packager time but they do need test compiles
[23:34] <Riddell> or not, according to albert
[23:35] <shadeslayer> really? 0.o
[23:35] <shadeslayer> I also don't see a announcement on kde.org
[23:35] <apol> well... the _early_ component in testing is important...
[23:35] <shadeslayer> also
[23:35] <shadeslayer> The tarballs are in their usual packager-only location (unstable/4.9.95)
[23:35] <shadeslayer> keyword being packager-only
[23:36] <shadeslayer> so I think it's a mistake
[23:36] <Riddell> it's public so it's mirrored before the announce tomorrow apparantly
[23:36] <shadeslayer> hm
[23:36] <shadeslayer> I blame albert, he said packagers only location
[23:36] <shadeslayer> so I didn't check public repos