| jrib | hello shwouchk_ | 00:15 |
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| shwouchk_ | hello | 00:15 |
| jrib | what can we help you with? | 00:16 |
| shwouchk_ | I have just seen ikonia first blatantly tell a user to leave and then dimply kickban for raising completely valid criticism over the new spyware features in the last version. | 00:17 |
| ikonia | for the last time, | 00:17 |
| ikonia | it's NOT spyware | 00:17 |
| jrib | shwouchk_: #ubuntu is dedicated to support. damo22 was not asking nor answering a support question | 00:17 |
| ikonia | the lense functionality is documented and you are free to use it/not use it | 00:17 |
| shwouchk_ | regardless whether the feature is good or not and regardless of whether it is spyware, you should not have banned the user | 00:17 |
| ikonia | so spreading nonsense about spyware is unaccceptable | 00:17 |
| ikonia | shwouchk_: I asked the user to stop referenceing "spyware" he continued, he was removed | 00:18 |
| ikonia | it's that simple | 00:18 |
| shwouchk_ | ikonia, the same is true about almost all spyware in windows - you can freely uninstall it if you wish | 00:18 |
| ikonia | I'm not interested in windows | 00:18 |
| ikonia | or other applications | 00:18 |
| ikonia | I'm interested in someone posting inaccurate links | 00:18 |
| ikonia | and stating it as fact because it's written by stallman | 00:19 |
| shwouchk_ | ikonia, so you think it's OK to censor users when they don't share your opinion/ | 00:19 |
| shwouchk_ | ? | 00:19 |
| jrib | honestly it's not even relevant whether one considers it to be spyware or not; #ubuntu is for support and that discussion is not support | 00:19 |
| jrib | that's my view on it | 00:19 |
| ikonia | it's reasonable | 00:19 |
| ikonia | shwouchk_: it's not an opinion | 00:19 |
| ikonia | shwouchk_: it's miss-information | 00:19 |
| chu | Could have taken it to #ubuntu-offtopic, or even better #ubuntu-discuss. | 00:19 |
| shwouchk_ | jrib, do you ban anyone who does not ask for or give support in the channel? | 00:19 |
| ikonia | shwouchk_: user saying they don't like lense because they don't want to share info, no problem | 00:20 |
| ikonia | a user spreading nosense about spyware - unacceptable | 00:20 |
| jrib | shwouchk_: if they continue to do so after I ask them to stop, yes | 00:20 |
| shwouchk_ | jrib, or only people expressing opinions different from yours? | 00:20 |
| shwouchk_ | ikonia, why? | 00:20 |
| ikonia | shwouchk_: because it miss-leads people | 00:20 |
| ikonia | with miss-information | 00:20 |
| shwouchk_ | ikonia, and what makes it nonesense? because you said so? | 00:20 |
| ikonia | no, because it's not | 00:21 |
| shwouchk_ | ikonia, it just so happens that many people agree to this so called misinformation. | 00:21 |
| jrib | it's an important discussion to have, just not in #ubuntu | 00:21 |
| shwouchk_ | jrib, then where? and what's wrong in having it there? | 00:21 |
| ikonia | shwouchk_: I don't like lense, I actually agree it should not be logging by default | 00:22 |
| shwouchk_ | s/to/with/ | 00:22 |
| ikonia | but then I'm not sat in a channel spouting wrong info about it | 00:22 |
| jrib | shwouchk_: #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss are good places. #ubuntu is dedicate to support, i.e. actually helping resolve technical issues users are having with ubuntu | 00:22 |
| shwouchk_ | ikonia, what did he say that was wrong? | 00:22 |
| ikonia | shwouchk_: read the link | 00:22 |
| ikonia | it's some guy ranting | 00:22 |
| ikonia | and because it's stallman people treat it as fact | 00:22 |
| shwouchk_ | ikonia, a functionality that spies on you without *first* asking you for permission *can* be classified under spyware. More than that is just arguing on the exact definition | 00:23 |
| ikonia | it doesn't "spy on you" | 00:23 |
| ikonia | shwouchk_: is IRC spying on you ? | 00:24 |
| ikonia | is this session a "spy" session | 00:24 |
| jrib | to have this discussion, you need to start by agreeing on a definition for "spyware", but I think we're getting off track :) | 00:24 |
| ikonia | as it's logging everything you say to a central server that is spidered by google | 00:24 |
| shwouchk__ | I disconnected for some reason | 00:26 |
| shwouchk__ | I was saying | 00:27 |
| ikonia | not to worry | 00:27 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, a functionality that spies on you without *first* asking you for permission *can* be classified under spyware. More than that is just arguing on the exact definition | 00:27 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, I opened the link, did not ever see it before, but I agree with the heading "richard-stallman-calls-ubuntu-spyware-because-it-tracks-searches" but because stallman said it. I thought so from the moment I installed ubuntu, not knowing beforehand that I would have this functionality | 00:27 |
| shwouchk__ | and then it took me half an hour to track down and uninstall all the correct packages | 00:27 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: is this channel spyware ? | 00:27 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, I expect stuff I do online to be tracked. I do not expect stuff I do on my computer when not interacting explicitely with the internet to be tracked | 00:28 |
| shwouchk__ | that's the difference | 00:28 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: surfing the internet...is online | 00:28 |
| chu | Pull ethernet cable out. Profit. | 00:28 |
| ikonia | so if you expect what you do online to be tracked, it's no problem then | 00:29 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, I repeat, I do not expect stuff I do on my computer when not interacting explicitely with the internet to be tracked | 00:29 |
| shwouchk__ | *THAT* is the problem | 00:29 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: you are intereacting the with internet | 00:29 |
| ikonia | that's what searching the net is | 00:30 |
| ikonia | that is explictly interacting with the internet | 00:30 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, when you search your computer you (I) do not expect to automatically search the net as well | 00:30 |
| ikonia | it doesn't | 00:30 |
| shwouchk__ | or to be presented with commercials when trying to install software | 00:30 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, and yet it does | 00:30 |
| ikonia | if you do find / -name '*.iso' it doesn't search the net | 00:31 |
| shwouchk__ | at least dash does that is | 00:31 |
| ikonia | ahhh right | 00:31 |
| ikonia | here we go | 00:31 |
| jrib | shwouchk__: so you want dash to more explicitly state that it searches your local files and the internet? I think that's reasonabl, personally. Though once you do one search that returns internet results it should become obvious that it does that | 00:31 |
| ikonia | it should be clearer and for me it shouldn't be enabled by default | 00:31 |
| ikonia | that said, I'm not posting ranting links | 00:31 |
| jrib | I agree | 00:31 |
| shwouchk__ | jrib, I want the main UI of the system to first ask me whether I want to ever search online with it as well as my own computer | 00:32 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: I'm sure the negative feedback is being assesed | 00:32 |
| ikonia | (I'd hope it is) | 00:32 |
| jrib | shwouchk__: yeah, I think that's one good solution | 00:33 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, and yet for some reason I have a feeling that if he were speaking about something else that is not directly support related, you would not have kicked him out | 00:33 |
| jrib | this type of discussion is good to have, just #ubuntu is not the right place to have it | 00:33 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: if he'd posted miss-leading information about anything else after I'd asked him not to, I would | 00:34 |
| chu | This is why #ubuntu-discuss was set up, to promote interaction (and importantly receive feedback) from the community. I can't say whether it works, but there has not been much discussion, so probably too early to tell. The channel #ubuntu is a support channel. It's a rather large channel, and consequently it *has* to be moderated and kept strictly for support. | 00:34 |
| shwouchk__ | jrib, ikonia so something that does exactly the opposite of what you agreed with - namely, search the internet without my consent, without notifying me first, without an easy way to disable it, can easily be classified as spyware | 00:35 |
| jrib | chu: what's the factoid for -discuss? Maybe !ot should mention it | 00:35 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: where is this agreement | 00:35 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: I don't see any agreement saying "we won't search the web" | 00:35 |
| shwouchk__ | "and for me it shouldn't be enabled by default" | 00:35 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: it's not tracking "you" | 00:35 |
| jrib | shwouchk__: like I said, to start the discussion we need to agree on a definition of spyware; then we can see if dash fits that definition | 00:36 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: it doesn't track who does what | 00:36 |
| ikonia | it's not "spying" | 00:36 |
| ikonia | the aim ws to a.) try to provide better search functionalty b.) (I believe) increase some revenue | 00:36 |
| shwouchk__ | jrib, actually I said that | 00:36 |
| jrib | shwouchk__: we both said it then :) | 00:36 |
| chu | jrib: Excellent idea to include a reference to #ubuntu-discuss in the !ot factoid. | 00:36 |
| ikonia | #ubuntu-discuss | 00:37 |
| ikonia | oops | 00:37 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, search engines track the searches you do. by sending the information about searches for regular files on my pc to a search engine, you are getting paid to help them track my actions. but you already know this | 00:37 |
| shwouchk__ | just intentionally misrepresenting the facts | 00:38 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: they track the searches "user A" does, not what shwounchk does | 00:38 |
| ikonia | I'm trying to put into perspective | 00:38 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, oh, really? you think it's hard for them to know exactly who you are? | 00:38 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: how do you know ??? | 00:39 |
| ikonia | you don't know what is actually being sent | 00:39 |
| ikonia | maybe moving this to #ubuntu-discuss now would be a good discussion | 00:40 |
| ikonia | interested ? | 00:40 |
| shwouchk__ | I hope they don't actually attach a name to "User A", but the mere fact that they could makes it clear I should be asked whether I want them to know something or other | 00:40 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, my main point is actually not this. my point is - don't censor people | 00:40 |
| ikonia | don't post bad links | 00:41 |
| ikonia | it's support channel | 00:41 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, please read "The Castle" by kafka. I hope you change your mind afterwards | 00:41 |
| ikonia | no thanks | 00:41 |
| ikonia | I'm not reading a book | 00:41 |
| ikonia | just because you want to prove a point | 00:42 |
| shwouchk__ | just censoring people, for a better world | 00:42 |
| ikonia | I'm not censoring people | 00:42 |
| ikonia | if he had posted a valid question or issue it would be fine | 00:42 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, not to make my point, because it's an awesome book | 00:42 |
| ikonia | but just ranting about it and posting a known problem posters link with miss-leading information is not helpful | 00:42 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, "Is dash spyware?" is a compltely legit issue | 00:42 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: totally | 00:43 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: that would be a valid question | 00:43 |
| ikonia | not DASH IS SPYWARE READ THIS !!!" | 00:43 |
| ikonia | stallman said so...it must be fac | 00:43 |
| ikonia | t | 00:43 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, what is misleading about that link? | 00:43 |
| ikonia | the fact tha tpeople are spying on you | 00:43 |
| shwouchk__ | fact | 00:44 |
| ikonia | rather than the truth that its tracking your searches and feeding them into amazon | 00:44 |
| ikonia | it's not "spying on you" | 00:44 |
| ikonia | it doesn't log who you are, where you are, what you are doing | 00:44 |
| ikonia | it trys a shopping experiement | 00:44 |
| jrib | what does dash do exactly? How do the internet searches work in dash? I think that's a valid question | 00:44 |
| jrib | or, how do I disable the internet searches? Things like this | 00:44 |
| ikonia | a valid questoin | 00:44 |
| ikonia | or discussion | 00:45 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, you are intentionally pretending ignorance if you claim that a search engine cannot triangulate your queries specifically to you | 00:46 |
| ikonia | not at all | 00:46 |
| ikonia | please explain to me how me searching for cake can triangulate where I am | 00:46 |
| ikonia | or who I am | 00:47 |
| ikonia | rather than storing a cookie that says "this guy likes cake, offer him cake stuff" | 00:47 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, not from the one search but rather from the collective information about all your searches | 00:47 |
| IdleOne | Spyware: Noun Software that self-installs on a computer, enabling information to be gathered covertly about a person's Internet use, passwords, etc. | 00:47 |
| ikonia | ok, so from me searching for cake/chocolate/pies/beer/sony/Star Wars | 00:48 |
| IdleOne | COVERTLY is the important word in that sentence | 00:48 |
| ikonia | how can they pinpoint that is me and where I am | 00:48 |
| ikonia | or who I am | 00:48 |
| IdleOne | the ad-lens does not do anything covertly | 00:48 |
| IdleOne | hence not spyware | 00:48 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, it does before you know that you have it | 00:49 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, there are plenty of scientific articles about the subject | 00:49 |
| chu | "Send him a chocolate pie and a beer cake designed with a Star Wars theme from Sony" | 00:49 |
| ikonia | chu: yes, but send it to who ? | 00:49 |
| IdleOne | it doesn't gather any info before you do a search. | 00:49 |
| ikonia | apparantly you can work out who I am from that | 00:50 |
| IdleOne | soon as you do your first search Amazon is clearly pasted all up in your grill | 00:50 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, that first search, you did not know was going to send info online | 00:50 |
| IdleOne | Stop trying to turn the words around and make them fit your incorrect definition | 00:50 |
| IdleOne | as far as easily disabling it, that has been addressed. | 00:50 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, *your* definition actuall | 00:50 |
| IdleOne | !adlens | 00:50 |
| ubottu | If you wish not to see "More Suggestions" from places like Amazon in your Ubuntu 12.10, simply remove the package unity-lens-shopping, or adjust your Privacy settings as shown here: http://goo.gl/kFO4u . Mark Shuttleworth's blog entry on this is at http://goo.gl/uF7zZ | 00:50 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, not easily at all | 00:50 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: many people agree it should not be installed on by default and should be clearer | 00:51 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: the bottom line is people ranting and posting inaccurate information about it won't help | 00:51 |
| IdleOne | +1 | 00:51 |
| ikonia | 2 of us have agreed with most of what you've said alone | 00:52 |
| ikonia | from this channel alone | 00:52 |
| ikonia | and I know IdleOne feels almost the same too | 00:52 |
| IdleOne | I feel that it should be opt in. 100% agree with that. | 00:52 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, you actually did not answer my claim, rather than claiming I am turning words around. by your definition if I did not know or agree to something, then it is covert, right? the first search I did was without knowledge that it will be sent online. Refute or agree to your mistake | 00:52 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, again, which information is inaccurate? | 00:53 |
| ikonia | the whole "spying" thing | 00:53 |
| IdleOne | I feel that the people who are outspoken about the issue need to be extremely careful with the words they chose to use to incite people. | 00:53 |
| IdleOne | shwouchk__: the definition I am using is the one given to me by Google. | 00:53 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, which is not the dictionary, but regardless. assuming given def., I am waiting for a refutation to what I said | 00:54 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, what in particular? | 00:54 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: it's not "spying on you" | 00:54 |
| ikonia | it's trying to get search results to help shopping | 00:54 |
| IdleOne | spying implies covert activity, you never find out about it if the spy is really good. There was never any intention by Canonical to hide anything. | 00:54 |
| ikonia | it's hardly "spying2 | 00:54 |
| ikonia | but put it into context for people.....it's not really psying | 00:55 |
| ikonia | again I don't disagree it's not good | 00:55 |
| ikonia | this IRC session is logging and tracking you | 00:55 |
| ikonia | google stores cookies | 00:55 |
| ikonia | news sites store cookes | 00:55 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, many things that are classified as spyware show you commercials at random times. Yet they are still called spyware | 00:55 |
| IdleOne | if anything it should be called adware | 00:55 |
| shwouchk__ | if it only shows ads but does not track you activity | 00:56 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, but it does track your activity | 00:56 |
| IdleOne | those are called spyware because you never find out about the info that is being sent to a 3rd party without any consent ever asked for or given by you. | 00:56 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: this is a bit circular | 00:56 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, all of which I am aware of and agree to in advance | 00:56 |
| ikonia | it's not really going anywhere, | 00:57 |
| ikonia | we have differnet views | 00:57 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, when was I asked for consent? | 00:57 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: I don't see any popups/banners on google agreeing ? | 00:57 |
| IdleOne | ok, here is the point. RMS is not wrong but he isn't right either in calling it spyware. We can argue the definition all night long, take a nap, and continue arguin and we still won't resolve it. | 00:57 |
| IdleOne | The point here is that #ubuntu is not the channel to discuss it. We have other channels, mailing lists and forums for that | 00:58 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, assuming I let it rest with that, it is even more important not to censor discussion | 00:58 |
| ikonia | #ubuntu is not the place for discussion | 00:58 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, and to do it civilly | 00:58 |
| IdleOne | We are not censoring, we are prioritizing | 00:58 |
| IdleOne | #ubuntu is for Ubuntu support. | 00:58 |
| ikonia | join #ubuntu-discuss and it would be a good discussion | 00:59 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, prioritizing what? its not as if there was an overflow of other discussions that his words were interrupting | 00:59 |
| shwouchk__ | if anything, by banning him, you made more people read the article | 00:59 |
| IdleOne | shwouchk__: if we allow you to have a discussion we have to allow everybody else. | 00:59 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: I don't think that | 01:00 |
| IdleOne | So to be fair to everyone, we stop everyone from doing it. | 01:00 |
| ikonia | and to be honest I don't care if people have read it or not | 01:00 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, you can tell someone at least once to take it to #discussion. Yet it never happened. he was banned on the spot | 01:00 |
| IdleOne | I wasn't here when it happened. I don't have all the context, but I know that ikonia does his job well. | 01:00 |
| ikonia | lets see | 01:01 |
| ikonia | guy joins #ubuntu asking to trade his iphone for an android phone | 01:01 |
| ikonia | guy then starts complaining about ubuntu sucking | 01:01 |
| ikonia | guy then complains about spying | 01:01 |
| ikonia | I ask him to stop | 01:01 |
| ikonia | he continues | 01:01 |
| ikonia | he's also since confirmed he's not using ubuntu but a varient | 01:02 |
| shwouchk__ | so what? | 01:02 |
| ikonia | so I'm pretty comfortable with the situation | 01:03 |
| ikonia | we don't support the varients | 01:03 |
| shwouchk__ | do I have to use ubuntuto be on #ubuntu? | 01:03 |
| ikonia | so he's not using ubuntu, he's joined to swap his iphone and rant about a product he's not using | 01:03 |
| IdleOne | no | 01:03 |
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| shwouchk__ | ikonia, and yet you have not warned him once or asked him (in a constructive, non rude manner) to go to #offtopic or #discussion | 01:04 |
| IdleOne | you can use any distro you want, but you have to follow the !guidelines, which include no ranting about stuff (#ubuntu is not your blogspot). | 01:04 |
| ikonia | because what he was saying was not relevant to offtopic or discuss | 01:04 |
| ikonia | ubuntu is a spying tool for amazon....no, it's not | 01:04 |
| ikonia | I want to trade my iphone | 01:04 |
| ikonia | no | 01:04 |
| shwouchk__ | you have just said that the discussion about spyware was relevant to #discuss | 01:04 |
| IdleOne | the !guidelines are linked in the channel topic. We could argue that is the first and only warning. pleading ignorance of the law is not a defence. | 01:04 |
| ikonia | they are nothing to do with ubuntu-offtopic or ubuntu-discuss | 01:05 |
| ikonia | discussion sure | 01:05 |
| shwouchk__ | He stopped talking about his iphone long before you kicked him | 01:05 |
| ikonia | ranting no | 01:05 |
| ikonia | yes he did | 01:05 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, in that case, why do you not immediately kick anyone who strays? | 01:05 |
| IdleOne | because we would have an empty channel, which to be honest would be nice now and then. | 01:05 |
| shwouchk__ | perhaps it is in order to let you arbitrarily decide who annoys you and kick only them out? | 01:05 |
| ikonia | 00:11 < ikonia> damo22: so please, don't want to hear anything more about this spyware nonsense | 01:06 |
| ikonia | I'd consider that a warning | 01:06 |
| shwouchk__ | I'd consider this a rude comment | 01:06 |
| IdleOne | shwouchk__: You got us. We are all power tripping. | 01:06 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, so if you do not follow the guidelines strictly, you cannot refer to them and say you have been warned | 01:06 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: I'll try to explain | 01:07 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, it seems like ikonia was | 01:07 |
| ikonia | a user who is a regular user of #ubuntu and thus knows the rules joins asking to swap his iphone, I ask him to stop, he does, he then starts making wild comments about ubuntu being a spay ware tool for amazon and becoming poor. I ask him to stop - in your view rudely. | 01:08 |
| ikonia | he does not stop | 01:08 |
| ikonia | I remove him | 01:08 |
| IdleOne | ikonia does at times to be very strict, he doesn't coddle people, he isn't a baby sitter. None of us are. But he does his op job very well. | 01:08 |
| IdleOne | does at times appear* | 01:08 |
| ikonia | the user a.) knows the rules as he'a regular user in his own words b.) started off by moving offtopic, I warned him to stop and then moved into miss-information I warned him again (rudely) he continued | 01:09 |
| ikonia | he did get warnings | 01:09 |
| ikonia | and should know better as a "regular user" | 01:09 |
| ikonia | I would have removed the ban quicker had he responded better when I discussed it in private with him | 01:09 |
| shwouchk__ | IdleOne, the point is, you can either be strict all the time or never. if you are strict sometimes, it is indistinguishable (to anyone else but you) from plain discrimination or censorship against views different from your own | 01:09 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: of course you can be flexible | 01:10 |
| ikonia | assesing the individua/situation is better than just folling a paper process | 01:10 |
| IdleOne | it isn't just me, there are 50 other ops, regular (daily) users of #ubuntu, the Ubuntu IRC council. All these people peer review each other. Trust me, more then once ikonia and I have gone at it over how a situation has been handled. | 01:13 |
| IdleOne | So, what was all this about anyway? hehe | 01:13 |
| shwouchk__ | about exactly that | 01:14 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: hopefully a reasonable discussion explained a little more now ? | 01:14 |
| IdleOne | and regular users do have the option of going directly to the IRC Council if they feel any one of the ops is being abusive of his/her powers | 01:14 |
| IdleOne | btw regular user applies to ops as well as non ops | 01:15 |
| shwouchk__ | anyway, assuming you don't keep this channel for the benefit of the OPs but rather for the users, please take this constructive criticism in stating that in cases such as this I think the user should have explicitly been pointed to #discussion | 01:15 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: I've explained why it's not | 01:16 |
| ikonia | the user didn't want a discussion | 01:16 |
| ikonia | he wanted to hilight his view as fact to users | 01:16 |
| ikonia | and trade his iphone | 01:16 |
| IdleOne | well #ubuntu-discuss is relatively new and hasn't been added to the muscle memory of many people. | 01:16 |
| ikonia | if it was a disucssion, I've have pointed it there | 01:17 |
| IdleOne | right. | 01:17 |
| ikonia | 00:11 < damo22> what i have to say is relevant to all users of software | 01:17 |
| ikonia | that is not a discussion | 01:17 |
| ikonia | that is someone trying to tell people "fact" | 01:17 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: a discussoin as you've had in here, would be worth while | 01:17 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: any clearer/better ? | 01:19 |
| shwouchk__ | ikonia, I think part of the reason that there was no discussion is that you were very dismissive of him and he was juvenile, where's I was more persistant and could state my opinions more clearly | 01:21 |
| shwouchk__ | that's how it seemed to me | 01:21 |
| ikonia | shwouchk__: yes, I am dismissive of people who just make stuff up | 01:21 |
| ikonia | and want to preach to "save others" | 01:21 |
| ikonia | I have no time for that, neither does #ubuntu | 01:21 |
| shwouchk__ | I need to go | 01:21 |
| IdleOne | #ubuntu is the wrong place to be juvenile | 01:21 |
| shwouchk__ | and this isn't going anywhere | 01:21 |
| ikonia | fair enough | 01:22 |
| shwouchk__ | perhaps it is also the wrong place to be dismissive of others | 01:22 |
| shwouchk__ | goodbye | 01:22 |
| IdleOne | shwouchk__: you are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic anytime :) | 01:22 |
| ikonia | thanks for your last word before partin | 01:22 |
| ikonia | parting | 01:22 |
| ikonia | appreciate that | 01:22 |
| shwouchk__ | :) | 01:22 |
| Jordan_U | It's funny, I have asked people who simply praise Ubuntu in #ubuntu to stop as its offtopic, but I never have to kick or ban them for them to actually stop. | 01:26 |
| IdleOne | weird huh | 01:26 |
| ikonia | Jordan_U: I don't like the woot ubuntu is so cool stuff either | 01:27 |
| ikonia | most people just stop when asked | 01:27 |
| IdleOne | those user like ubuntu, it is easier for them to make the link between right place for woot woot and not the right place. | 01:27 |
| IdleOne | haters need a giant audience | 01:28 |
| gnomefreak | IdleOne: do you know why Usagiakumu was banned? | 05:39 |
| IdleOne | looking now | 05:39 |
| gnomefreak | IdleOne: thanks | 05:39 |
| IdleOne | gnomefreak: I'm suspicious of their claim that "someone" else was an issue. I'm going to leave the ban for now. | 05:46 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 05:50 |
| bazhang | gnomefreak, you dont have access to the bantracker? | 05:50 |
| gnomefreak | that is normal excuses | 05:50 |
| gnomefreak | bazhang: not sure, i forgot how to ring it up to read | 05:50 |
| bazhang | first @login | 05:51 |
| gnomefreak | s/ring/bring | 05:51 |
| bazhang | then @btlogin | 05:51 |
| bazhang | do it in a private msg with the bot | 05:51 |
| gnomefreak | k ill try it | 05:51 |
| bazhang | that'll give you a link, to the db, where you search | 05:52 |
| bazhang | it's been vastly improved/streamlined/cleaned up | 05:52 |
| gnomefreak | thats odd. i search for Usagiakumu and got no results | 05:54 |
| IdleOne | 51884 | 05:55 |
| IdleOne | search that | 05:55 |
| gnomefreak | ok why did that show the ban and where did you get the # | 05:56 |
| IdleOne | gnomefreak: do @bansearch Usagiakumu in PM with the bot | 05:56 |
| gnomefreak | IdleOne: thanks | 05:57 |
| IdleOne | sure thing | 05:58 |
| gnomefreak | @login | 05:59 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 05:59 |
| gnomefreak | cool :) | 05:59 |
| gnomefreak | its nice and quiet in the channles for the most part | 06:01 |
| IdleOne | You did done went and jinxed it :P | 06:03 |
| gnomefreak | oops | 06:19 |
| Gentoon | I have been banned for a long time | 06:52 |
| Gentoon | May I please come back? | 06:52 |
| Gentoon | I will be good now I promise | 06:52 |
| bazhang | Gentoon, hi | 06:52 |
| bazhang | from which channel Gentoon , and under this nick, or another | 06:53 |
| Gentoon | bazhang: #Ubuntu and yes this Nick | 06:53 |
| Gentoon | and hi | 06:53 |
| bazhang | Gentoon, what were you banned for, if you recall | 06:54 |
| Gentoon | Trolling | 06:54 |
| Gentoon | Would be my guess, probably just arguing agressively | 06:55 |
| bazhang | let me check the ban tracker; would you please read the guidelines while I do so | 06:55 |
| bazhang | !guidelines | Gentoon | 06:55 |
| ubottu | Gentoon: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 06:55 |
| Gentoon | I am in the middle of a new install on a seperate TTY, I am suprised it allowed me to install irssi while it was installing | 06:56 |
| Gentoon | ill see if I can figure a way | 06:56 |
| Gentoon | k READ | 07:04 |
| Gentoon | Ooops | 07:04 |
| Gentoon | Read. | 07:04 |
| bazhang | Gentoon, try to join now please | 07:05 |
| bazhang | ok you're set | 07:06 |
| h00k | so, there's a link I can't open here (web filtering) that tarrabyte posted to 4chan/g but it seems like a legit question | 14:36 |
| h00k | can anybody verify a 'safe' link? | 14:36 |
| persia | h00k: What's the link? | 14:37 |
| ikonia | what's the link ? | 14:38 |
| ikonia | ot it | 14:38 |
| ikonia | got | 14:38 |
| h00k | Oh, | 14:38 |
| h00k | http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/29984386 | 14:38 |
| h00k | persia, ikonia ^ sorry | 14:38 |
| ikonia | it's an invalid link | 14:39 |
| ikonia | just leads to a text form | 14:39 |
| h00k | ah, could have 404 | 14:39 |
| h00k | 'd | 14:39 |
| h00k | thanks, anyway. | 14:39 |
| mrmist | it's a 4chan link. Automatically seems legit. | 14:40 |
| ubottu | In #xubuntu-devel, GridCube said: !uefi is UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 16:15 |
| ubottu | In #xubuntu-devel, GridCube said: !efi is alias !uefi | 16:16 |
| ikonia | efi is something different | 16:19 |
| IdleOne | ubottu: uefi is <reply> UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 19:32 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that, IdleOne | 19:32 |
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