[00:17] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[00:18] <pr0ph3t> I have a problem with the grave key, the one above the tab button. I have to press it twice for it to work, it functions intermittently. Anyone else got this problem?
[00:18] <pr0ph3t> I'm running Gnome-shell on ubuntu 12.10 64bit
[01:01] <directhex> ```````````````
[01:02] <Azelphur> , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
[01:03] <daftykins> ||||||||||||||||||||
[01:03] <daftykins> (can y'tell what it is yet?)
[01:09]  * Azelphur has no idea
[01:11] <daftykins> Rolf would know
[01:11] <daftykins> Azelphur: how goes the 'office' work?
[01:12] <Azelphur> hehe, atm I'm listening to the neighbours music through my feet :P
[01:12] <daftykins> ouch
[01:12] <daftykins> is it clear?
[01:12] <Azelphur> pretty clear yea
[01:12] <daftykins> =[
[01:12] <daftykins> suddenly the cheap rent makes sense
[01:12] <Azelphur> lol
[01:12] <daftykins> are you off back to family for the hols at all?
[01:13] <Azelphur> no way
[01:13] <Azelphur> the music doesn't bother me too much anyway, I'm always wearing noise cancelling headphones
[01:13] <daftykins> hehe
[01:13] <Azelphur> I take my headphones off occasionally because I feel the vibration and I'm like "holy shit, that's loud"
[01:13] <daftykins> just a bit of a rumble comes up then?
[01:13] <daftykins> ah
[01:14] <daftykins> my new place has a little beauticians one side and a house the other, not sure what the neighbours are like
[01:14] <daftykins> keep running into the current owner by accident in town though, he came up and said hi in a pub the other night
[01:14] <daftykins> so no doubt i'll ask if it happens again XD
[01:14] <Azelphur> fun
[01:15] <daftykins> bit odd really, heh
[01:37] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/xYphW.gif
[01:37] <daftykins> that is ace.
[05:12] <MartijnVdS> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous
[08:05] <diplo> Morning all
[09:23] <popey> morning
[09:27] <Laney> oh look
[09:27] <Laney> my HDNL delivery lies and says it was delivered yesterday morning
[09:30] <Laney> that apparently means 'given to a yodel driver'
[09:31] <bigcalm> Hey kids :)
[09:32] <bigcalm> An update on the delivery of my touch screen from Malaysia means little to me other than it's moved?
[09:34] <kvarley> Can anybody recommend any routers for me which meet my needs? I'm in the UK. Has to have: ADSL2+; WiFi N at least 300mbps; dd-wrt or another firmware support. Would be nice to have: Detachable antennas.
[09:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:47] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[09:47] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[10:02] <bigcalm> Tum te tum
[10:21] <Myrtti> kvarley: NO BELKIN.
[10:21] <bigcalm> VLC has got its santa hat on :)
[10:25] <bigcalm> Lots of Google Maps plugins for WordPress - any recommendations?
[12:53] <darren__> #css
[13:25] <_serial_> hi all, has 12.10 become more stable?
[13:25] <_serial_> better  question would be is anyone using 12.10 and how does the stability compare to 12.04.1
[13:30] <kvarley> _serial_: I've seen a lot of people complaining about graphics card drivers in 12.10 but for me it's way more stable than 12.04.
[13:31] <kvarley> _serial_: Try a live disc?
[13:32] <_serial_> thank you for replying kvarley :)  I don't have driver issues regarding graphics.  I get frequent "theres a problem with your system" type messages compaired to 12.04.1 but I'm the type of guy who like new and shiny things :)
[13:33] <_serial_> fyi i have a samsung rv510 with intel graphics
[13:33] <popey> i see no difference in stability between 12.04 and 12.10
[13:33] <popey> i have a few machines running both
[13:34] <sprmtt> this
[13:34] <kvarley> That's odd, I used to get loads of those app crash dialogues in 1204 but now I don't get them in 1210. I guess it depends on hardware?
[13:34] <popey> those are mostly software related
[13:34] <popey> apps crashing for whatever reasons
[13:34] <kvarley> In my case I think it was apport
[13:34] <popey> you can see the crashes listed at http://errors.ubuntu.com/
[13:35] <popey> yes, apport is the dialog
[13:35] <popey> whoopsie picks them up and reports them to daisy
[13:35] <kvarley> popey: Been meaning to ask, do you work for Canonical?
[13:35] <popey> i do
[13:35] <kvarley> popey: :D
[13:35] <ali1234> i got the opposite. 12.10 crashes much more than 12.04 did
[13:36] <kvarley> Off topic - Just spotted a package with Ubuntu tape all over it in the mail, guess I know what I'm getting for xmas :)
[13:36] <popey> hah
[13:36] <ali1234> apport itself crashes less though so i don't get the "yo dawg we heard you like crashes so we put a crash report about your crash report that crashed" thing quite so much
[13:36] <sprmtt> I've not had *crashes* in a while
[13:37] <sprmtt> I say crashes, I mean that it never locks up on me
[13:37] <ali1234> i have never seen linux lock up except when i was doing kernel development and did something silly like overwrite random pieces of memory
[13:38] <ali1234> actually it used to lock up all the time about 10 years ago but that was due to nvidia driver being awful
[13:39] <popey> i managed to lock up x a few times recently
[13:40] <ali1234> i locked up the whole system by trying to use usbip the other day
[13:40] <ali1234> it is marked as experimental though
[13:41] <ali1234> speaking of bugs i've got bug 1067951 reproduced right now
[13:41] <ali1234> what debugging commands should i run?
[15:12] <Knightwise> hey everyone
[15:13] <Knightwise> popey: Do you know anyone in the community who is involved with the "Ubuntu on a nexus 7" project ?
[15:13] <popey> yes
[15:13] <popey> alex chiang
[15:13] <popey> he's a canonical guy
[15:13] <popey> he's the best guy to talk to
[15:14] <Knightwise> Do you know where I might be able to contact him ? I would like to have him on the show for an interview
[15:14] <popey> achiang on irc
[15:14] <bigcalm> Yes, it's a repeat from earlier... Lots of Google Maps plugins for WordPress - any recommendations?
[15:14] <Knightwise> thank you ?
[15:15] <Knightwise> I meant thank you !
[15:15] <Knightwise> :p Stupid keyboard !
[15:16] <bigcalm> ?! being next to each other ;)
[15:19] <Knightwise> Of course :p
[15:19]  * Knightwise has a Wookie keyboard layout
[16:03] <DJones> Ugh, that feels like 3 hours spent twiddling thumbs getting BCM 4311 working on xubuntu
[16:19] <andylockran> hey all
[16:19] <andylockran> I need an App Development company with a good rep - any recommendations?
[16:24] <directhex> what kind of app?
[17:00] <andylockran> iOS & Android
[17:00] <andylockran> sorry for the delay
[17:01] <diplo> Xmas hols, may catch you all soon. ttfn
[17:05] <andylockran> ttfn
[18:06] <Laney> it is now xmas for me too!
[18:07] <Laney> to celebrate: THE PUB
[18:07]  * Laney drapes tinsel and fairy lights on xnox
[18:08] <xnox> Laney: Blobby Blobby Blobby =)))))
[19:13] <daftykins> it comes to something when your own mother's smartphone she just upgraded *away* from is still newer than your own :O
[19:13] <daftykins> when will this smartphone arms race end?
[19:17] <directhex> never.
[19:17] <directhex> for various raisins.
[19:18] <directhex> phones have *always* been an arms race, although specifications didn't matter until the iphone shipped
[19:19] <directhex> remember "xelibri", a brand siemens invented to just ship fashion phones every 6 months? you could tell how unhip someone was by the vintage of their phone
[19:19] <daftykins> heh
[19:19] <daftykins> nah i don't recall that one
[19:20] <directhex> http://www.visionmobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/Xelibri%20lineup.jpg
[19:20] <daftykins> wow.
[19:20] <daftykins> my only problem with my HTC Desire is that the apps storage is only 150MB, so you install a few and then your email accounts stop syncing 'cause there's no space left
[19:21] <daftykins> so you move as many as you can onto the SD card instead, but it still trips up when updates come out
[19:21] <daftykins> that's even rooted with cyanogenmod on too
[19:21]  * xnox will get nexus4 in 4-5 weeks time.
[19:22] <directhex> daftykins, it's a design cock-up of android to have hardcoded partition sizes that cannot be cleanly resized without erasing/recreating
[19:22] <daftykins> *nod*
[19:22] <daftykins> i imagine i could get around it if i did some kind of mount change trickery
[19:22] <directhex> and vendors being cheap by not leaving *any* headroom on their partitions
[19:24] <daftykins> this must be a hardware limitation too, 'cause cyanogenmod would've fixed it otherwise
[19:24] <daftykins> surely 0o
[19:24] <daftykins> or perhaps they just don't repartition in their installation i suppose
[19:25] <directhex> yes, tiny quantity of solid state
[19:25] <daftykins> just done df-h in a terminal, my word there are a lot of mounts
[19:28] <directhex> heh. webos used to do, like, 5 bind mounts every time you ran an app, but forgot to unmount them. ran out of file descriptors, hence "too many cards" error requiring reboot.
[19:29] <daftykins> ah-ha
[19:29] <daftykins> how unimpressive
[19:30] <daftykins> i heard something on an anandtech podcast the other day that said, blackberry phones always boot so slowly because their boot sequence constantly misses timers so it's basically waiting all the time
[19:30] <daftykins> pretty shocking given the amount of development surrounding them
[19:39] <shauno> I don't get why everyone picks on RIM.  Surely the decent thing would be to let them die peacefully
[19:59] <daftykins> shauno: haha, fair point. we have to watch them crash and burn in the new year with BB10 first though
[20:39] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[20:40] <daftykins> heya o/
[20:45] <Azelphur> Anyone happen to know what the piece I can't identify is on this ikea galant desk? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2012/December/0TBfU.jpg
[20:47] <daftykins> not the screen stand but the sorta, cable trap along the back?
[20:48] <daftykins> oic individual 'models'
[20:48] <Azelphur> daftykins: I mean the big long chunk at the back
[20:48] <Azelphur> yea, that's a galant combination desk
[20:49] <daftykins> hrmm
[20:49] <daftykins> no idea i'm afraid :( i think getting the traffic lights will be far more important though :>
[20:53] <Azelphur> haha
[20:54] <ali1234> looks like a bit of a tv stand
[21:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: no, I mean, the board underneath it
[21:04] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2012/December/desk.png that
[21:05] <ali1234> it's a piece of wood
[21:08] <daftykins> could almost be shelves even
[21:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: it needs the subframe under it to mount onto the desk, otherwise it'd just fall down lol
[21:10] <Azelphur> unless he did something custom
[21:20] <daftykins> ooh a prog called 'data2sd' lets you move your /data partition on android to your SD card :D
[21:20] <daftykins> http://www.andreagrandi.it/2011/08/13/howto-extend-htc-desire-internal-memory-to-2gb-using-cyanogenmod-7-and-data2sd/
[21:20] <daftykins> very very handy
[21:21] <daftykins> hopefully it doesn't slow the whole phone down to a halt in the process
[21:23] <ali1234> well it definitely won't make it faster that's for sure
[21:24] <daftykins> depends on the stats of the NAND vs. the SD card really
[21:26] <ali1234> woah a new humble bundle is up and they have legend of grimrock
[21:26] <ali1234> and it's compatible with linux
[21:27] <ali1234> yes, do want
[21:28] <daftykins> that must mean the email is about to do its' rounds to me
[21:28] <ali1234> i have nt had the email yet
[21:28] <ali1234> it must have just gone up
[21:28] <daftykins> ah-ha
[21:28] <ali1234> i just went to get my steam keys for the THQ bundle
[21:29] <ali1234> because i was going to try to play them in wine
[21:31] <ali1234> they seem to have a knack of knowing exactly when i am bored and very likely to buy stuff
[21:33] <ali1234> and it's already in the software center too. amazing
[21:33] <daftykins> ;)
[21:33] <daftykins> i barely touched what i got when i bought one humble bundle
[21:33] <ali1234> well the games are a bit hit and miss
[21:33] <daftykins> played a little of the 'zen bound' android game
[21:33] <ali1234> but i've been waiting for grimrock to properly come to linux for ages
[21:34] <daftykins> and played all of darwinia, as i was stuck away from home on a laptop for a long time
[21:34] <daftykins> ah i've not heard of that
[21:34] <ali1234> i played zen bound for about 1 minute and then decided it sucked
[21:35] <ali1234> nice idea, boring game
[21:35] <ali1234> my favourite so far is super meat boy
[21:35] <ali1234> i thought i would not like it, but it turned out to be great
[21:37] <daftykins> :)
[21:37] <daftykins> played the XBLA demo of that, but i don't have the persistence to keep playing something like a platformer these days
[21:38] <ali1234> lol, casual
[21:38] <ali1234> actually you don't need persistence. it;s not as hard as it looks and it is structured in a way where you can skip levels so you don't have o sit and play it all day if you don't want to
[21:39] <daftykins> ah
[21:39] <ali1234> it could easily have been a really bad game if the controls weren't spot on or it forced you to do the levels in order
[21:39] <ali1234> but it's executed perfectly
[21:39] <daftykins> i seem to recall it was a bit of a pixel-perfect type, i think the demo had a level of spikes on a long falling section that you had to avoid
[21:40] <ali1234> the game dustforce was in another bundle i got. it's basically the same game but nowhere near as well executed
[21:40] <ali1234> yeah meat boy LOOKS really hard but it is decieving
[21:41] <ali1234> the later levels actually are hard
[21:41] <ali1234> but there's plenty of gameplay in the early ones. it has a good difficulty curve
[21:43] <daftykins> ah-har, the email has arrived!
[22:29] <dave101010> hi all
[22:29] <dave101010> thanks for al the pis so far but i want to add unity themes to 12.10
[22:30] <andylockran> yo
[22:31] <dave101010> yo
[22:31] <andylockran> ssh from top of 333 bus...
[22:31] <andylockran> interesting on my android
[22:31] <andylockran> very small
[22:31] <AlanBell> hi andylockran :)
[22:31] <andylockran> just popping through brixton. wave if you can see me
[22:31] <andylockran> hey alan
[22:31] <andylockran> hows things
[22:31] <andylockran> yo dave10010101010101
[22:32] <dave101010> lol
[22:32] <andylockran> alighting bus in 2 ?mins
[22:32] <andylockran> and its raining...
[22:32] <andylockran> having a very very stressful week
[22:32] <dave101010> it is raining on and off there in milton keynes too
[22:36] <popey> AlanBell, have you ever considered punctuation?
[22:37] <AlanBell> I like commas
[22:37] <dave101010> telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu
[22:37] <dave101010> so sad
[22:38] <dave101010> it is nyan cat
[22:38] <AlanBell> popey: I can't see any epic sentences, there are commas and full stops all over the place
[22:39] <popey> paragraphs would be nice
[22:39] <popey> it's quite a wall of text
[22:39] <popey> nice text though it is
[22:39] <AlanBell> paragraph 1 is arguably a longish one
[22:39] <popey> i went cross-eyed reading it
[22:40] <popey> but I found my socks
[22:40]  * AlanBell chops it into 3
[22:42] <AlanBell> think I will add some socks too
[22:52] <popey> AlanBell, http://popey.com/~alan/socks.png
[22:54] <mgdm> I can recommend the ones third down on the far left
[22:54] <mgdm> they are Warm As Fsck
[22:55] <directhex> i have my graphics card back \o/
[22:55] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/socks.png
[23:00] <daftykins> directhex: RMA?
[23:04] <directhex> daftykins, yeah. took scan about 7 weeks to issue a partial (£126) refund on a dead 6970
[23:05] <daftykins> crikey
[23:05] <daftykins> only partial? that sounds a bit harsh
[23:05] <daftykins> i've never had much respect for that company since when i phoned up enquiring about VAT removal, they said they'd just charge the exact same value as VAT, for the shipping
[23:05] <daftykins> when asked 'why', the answer was 'because'
[23:17] <directhex> scan only do partial refunds these days, on the basis that they "calculate you've had £X of value from it, so it's only worth £Y"
[23:17] <directhex> which is bull tbh
[23:17] <directhex> so i took their refund to ebuyer and bought a GTX660
[23:20] <daftykins> :)
[23:21] <directhex> also just bought her a dell u2713hm as a surprise late xmas present
[23:22] <daftykins> crikey, some high-res for her
[23:23] <directhex> when her hyundai 24" pva screen died, all we could find that was affordable was a 23" 1080p TN screen, and i was *never* happy with the downgrade
[23:24] <popey> scan sent stolen goods to a friend of mine once
[23:25] <AlanBell> Bug #1092341
[23:26] <daftykins> popey: wow
[23:27] <daftykins> popey: how'd they discover that?
[23:27] <popey> was a hard drive, it broke, they called manufacturer who said "no warranty on those, they're stolen"
[23:27] <daftykins> :S
[23:28] <popey> hmm
[23:28] <popey> why does black mesa not run
[23:28] <popey> installed, click play in steam, nothing happens
[23:28] <AlanBell> nick hard drive, buy hard drive, RMA stolen hard drive get refund, one laundered drive? or was it in the supply chain?
[23:28] <daftykins> source SDK 2007 base is required?
[23:28] <daftykins> for black mesa
[23:28] <popey> wat
[23:28] <popey> really?
[23:28] <daftykins> yesh
[23:29] <popey> i thought only a source game like hl2 needed to be installed
[23:29] <daftykins> err, i think some stuff usually pulls in the above
[23:29] <daftykins> i can't be 100%
[23:29] <popey> meh, will play hl2 instead
[23:30] <daftykins> i still remember mooching the leak, ah so long ago
[23:31] <daftykins> the graphics seemed so good at the time, that when you walked up to an untextured part it was as though the real world was pieced together in a similar way
[23:32] <ali1234> AlanBell: i noticed...
[23:39] <directhex> i can't get back into the swing of pc gaming, after 2 months off :x
[23:45] <daftykins> i'm losing the interest to gaming in general
[23:45] <directhex> freak!
[23:46] <daftykins> D:
[23:47] <directhex> cool kids all play videogames
[23:47] <directhex> my wife is playing one RIGHT NOW
[23:47] <popey> not true
[23:47] <popey> i do too
[23:47] <daftykins> ;)
[23:47] <shauno> where I'm from, grumpy old men play video games now
[23:47] <daftykins> ah i'm sure you get an honorary cool card, popey
[23:47] <ali1234> grimrock is really good
[23:47] <popey> not tried it yet
[23:47] <ali1234> i am not disappointed
[23:48] <popey> bought the bundle as always
[23:48] <directhex> none of the bundle is on steam for linux :o
[23:48] <directhex> someone should apply a spanking to valve to they apply a spanking to the relevant devs
[23:48] <ali1234> but it's all in the software centre so who cares?
[23:48] <ali1234> steam = tf2 launcher
[23:49] <popey> heh, every single game I have, directhex has
[23:49] <popey> except one
[23:49] <ali1234> let me guess. train simulator?
[23:49] <popey> ya :)
[23:50] <directhex> ali1234, games from software centre SIGNIFICANTLY slow down apt updates
[23:50] <popey> install, disable ppa, job done
[23:50] <ali1234> hmm yeah i have noticed that actually. why does that happen?
[23:51] <ali1234> but i want updates......
[23:51] <directhex> ali1234, also, i use steam for matchmaking. if you work out how i can play multiplayer dungeon defenders with my friends without using steam invites, let me know
[23:51] <popey> ppas are on launchpad
[23:51] <popey> less infra than repos
[23:51] <ali1234> just cos launchpad is slow?
[23:51] <popey> well, not lp really
[23:51] <ali1234> ok, just cos ppas are slow?
[23:51] <popey> i dont think they scale as well as the repo
[23:52] <popey> i know they've recently thrown more hardware at it
[23:52] <popey> but it's not mirrored like the repo is
[23:52] <popey> so everyone hits them
[23:52] <ali1234> considering how often games ppas are (not) updated, you'd think it could just do like a http header check...
[23:53] <ali1234> "like http 304 not modified"
[23:53] <ali1234> and then not spend ages downloading it again
[23:53] <popey> yeah, apt isn't really optimised for this use case
[23:53] <ali1234> it would be so easy to do tho :(
[23:55] <popey> that osx bell sound
[23:55] <popey> i hear it a lot from the imac in the kitchen
[23:55] <popey> it's always a cat
[23:56] <daftykins> =]
[23:56] <daftykins> i'm considering whether or not i'm brave enough to do a hard disk -> SSD transplant on a clients iMac right now
[23:56] <daftykins> apparently someone i know has the glass suction cup things :D
[23:57] <popey> oooh, this is very nice
[23:57] <ali1234> grimrock is a native port too... that's awesome. is this the first time it's been available on linux then?
[23:57] <directhex> yes
[23:57] <directhex> dungeon defenders is far more important though
[23:57] <popey> i would like to do that on the imac
[23:58] <directhex> unrealengine 3's debut
[23:58] <popey> it's the only upgrade left it can have really
[23:58] <daftykins> popey: what age model is it? this client's is a 3.06GHz i3 from mid-2010, 4GB of RAM at present and the 500GB mechanical
[23:59] <ali1234> what famous games powered by unrealengine 3?
[23:59] <directhex> most of them!
[23:59] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games#Unreal_Engine_3