[01:29] <xrs> unable to install 12.04.1  "Unable to delete partition: Unrerognized disk label"
[04:05] <zombie01> irc://irc.criten.net/elitewarez
[04:07] <OerHeks> i hate elite-guys, and warez are offtopic here, zombie01
[07:53] <foad_> hi
[07:53] <foad_> my sound not work in ubuntu 12.04
[07:53] <foad_> plz help
[10:03] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[10:57] <hemppa> hello
[10:58] <hemppa> could som1 help me whit a  tiny problem
[11:00] <hemppa> i installet java7 and tried to  run Tekkit mod for minecraft via OpenJDK Java 7 Runtime.... it starts but after that jsut disapears
[11:01] <hemppa> same hapens to normal minecraft too.
[11:11] <navlelo> hemppa, have you tried the oracle jre?
[13:18] <mime_1111> hey ppl, is any way to use kdeglobal shortcuts separately? i mean, running it into shell for using it without kde, thnx
[14:41] <markit> hi, anyone knows how make firefox from blueshell repo be "prevalent" over normal firefox. I want to have it installed even if of older version
[14:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[14:45] <shadeslayer> markit: you can do apt pinning, however you'll be susceptible to security issues
[14:45] <shadeslayer> so keep that in mind
[14:46] <shadeslayer> markit: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59011-Firefox-KDE-support&p=316978&viewfull=1#post316978
[14:47] <markit> shadeslayer: are you from blueshell team?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:47] <markit> do DO thank you A LOT
[14:47] <shadeslayer> np :)
[14:47] <markit> without decent FF support I was doomed at school
[14:47] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:47] <markit> or would have been "chromenized" ;P
[14:48] <shadeslayer> tbh I use chrome myself :P
[14:48] <shadeslayer> quite the irony ...
[14:48] <markit> shadeslayer: chrome = proprietary = market of proprietary programs, a sort of "androidization"
[14:48] <markit> chromium = looks like chrome = children don't get the difference and think is good
[14:49] <markit> but FOSS is in a bad position in those app stores / Clouds days
[14:49] <shadeslayer> I actually like the native pdf rendering in chrome
[14:49] <markit> in any case, back to my LTSP tests ;P
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ooh, LTSP tests?
[14:49] <markit> shadeslayer: is all about freedom, at least for what concerns me
[14:49] <markit> shadeslayer: yep, I had huge problems with KDE and ltsp in FAT configuration
[14:50] <shadeslayer> I see
[14:50] <markit> maybe I've found a suitable nfs config option
[14:50] <shadeslayer> markit: that's something I want to work on
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Just need to finish off current projects
[14:50] <markit> shadeslayer: with sshfs there are problems due to where and how kde creates the cache (in /var/tmp)
[14:50] <shadeslayer> markit: there was a thread on plasma devel about this
[14:51] <shadeslayer> not sure if anything came out of it
[14:51] <markit> and with sshfs AND nfs, in any case, there is a LOT of I/O, expecially at the first login
[14:51] <markit> shadeslayer: yep, was mine :)
[14:51] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[14:51] <shadeslayer> markit: yeah understandably, KDE creates a ton of config files at startup
[14:51] <markit> unfortunately I've limited knowledge so troubleshooting is a nightmar for me
[14:52] <markit> shadeslayer: yep, and also there is all that ORRIBLE akonadi / nepomuk / whatever stuff
[14:52] <shadeslayer> have you tried exporting KDEVARTMP to something local?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> and KDETMP
[14:52] <markit> shadeslayer: yes, but was not easy in LTSP structure
[14:52] <shadeslayer> err
[14:52] <markit> have not found a good point where insert it
[14:52] <persia> Wouldn't it be better for the LTSP environments to mount /var/tmp and /tmp locally directly, rather than using environment variables?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> sec
[14:53] <shadeslayer> oh good point
[14:53] <markit> and in any case, since you have a diskless PC, every "disk" I/O is a network I/O
[14:53] <markit> persia: no local HD
[14:53] <shadeslayer> brrr
[14:53] <markit> is one of the main selling point of LTSP
[14:53] <markit> no hd, no M$license... so good ;P
[14:53] <persia>  /tmp on tmpfs is usually safe, unless people are dealing with very large files and very small RAM.
[14:54] <markit> persia: KDE fills /var/tmp with 100MB of stuff at first run
[14:54] <markit> I know people that have some GB there...
[14:54] <persia>  /var/tmp is a bit trickier, but one could add an upstart job that prepopulated it on boot and rsync'd it to network on shutdown.
[14:54] <markit> persia: we have no local HD, and 1.5 GB ram
[14:55] <markit> just because I've expanded the pc from standard 512MB
[14:55] <persia> Are you using zram-config?
[14:55] <markit> no
[14:55] <shadeslayer> markit: you can put scripts in /usr/env/ and export vars there
[14:55] <markit> gnome-fallback  has 20MB of transfer on login
[14:55] <markit> kde with standard config... 400MB!
[14:55] <shadeslayer> :S
[14:56] <markit> shadeslayer: vars that need to be related to the user?
[14:56] <persia> zram-config should give you a bit more space, at least for KDE's use of /tmp.  /var/tmp probably still needs to be network mounted, if the thin clients only have 1536MB RAM
[14:56] <markit> because KDEVARTMP need to know username
[14:56] <shadeslayer> markit: yep, like KDEVARTMP and KDETMP
[14:56] <shadeslayer> it's run by startkde
[14:56] <markit> shadeslayer: I'm not lazy, just ignorant... what would you exactly put there?
[14:57] <persia> (other users of /tmp may prohibit /tmp on tmpfs even with zram-config though: depends on what else you have installed)
[14:57] <markit> I've done a lot of experiments ... tired also the "pam" stuff since those were ignored
[14:57] <markit> persia: I'll have a loot at zram-config also, I know some very good ltsp devs
[14:58] <shadeslayer> markit: pretty much any bash script afaik , for eg https://github.com/netrunner/netrunner-settings-lp/blob/master/desktop/usr-share/netrunner_set_env.sh
[14:58] <persia> It just allocates half the RAM as compressed swap, and then only uses it on-demand.  It's a package that can be installed, which I find useful for low-ram environments.
[14:59] <shadeslayer> markit: apart from the IO issues, what problems did you face?
[14:59] <markit> shadeslayer: I love kde, I've installed kde in the 3 schools that, as parent of 2 children, I've converted to FOSS
[14:59] <markit> ltsp in thin client config works fine a lot
[14:59] <markit> the troble was when I expanded the ram of 24 pc and tested kde fat with more than 2 pc for the first time
[15:00] <markit> shadeslayer: the problems I had, except I/O are:
[15:00] <markit> if user logs out, some processes are still alive, akonadi AFAIR
[15:00] <markit> big problems with FF integration that you solved ;P
[15:01] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:01] <markit> big problem with recent FF and copy/paste images in LiBo
[15:01] <shadeslayer> s/solved/hacked around for the moment/
[15:01] <markit> (they past a link, not embedded image, since FF changed how things are put in clipboard)
[15:01] <shadeslayer> markit: can't help that :P
[15:02] <markit> big problems in having teachers understand the importance of FOSS, and what they are doing in general
[15:02] <markit> shadeslayer: I filed a bug in LiBo bugtracker, hope 4.0 will fix it
[15:02] <shadeslayer> but if there are issues related to Kubuntu/KDE please come to #kubuntu-devel to poke us to fix it ;)
[15:02] <shadeslayer> as for akonadi, #akonadi could provide some insight
[15:02] <markit> shadeslayer: really would be fabolous have some KDE devs be also LTSP users
[15:03] <markit> that's great in schools... and if you teach freedom to children, you will win
[15:03] <shadeslayer> I'm not too familiar with LTSP, but I'd like to work on it for some time
[15:03] <markit> also I've the feelings that KDE is becoming too "desktop centric", while GNU/Linux is amazing in client/server model like LTSP
[15:03] <markit> and more and more devs have SSD, so I/O is not a big concern to them
[15:04] <markit> while should be in any case
[15:04] <shadeslayer> heh, true
[15:04] <markit> I mean, graphical effects are fun to hack, but brings you nowhere
[15:04] <shadeslayer> I also like how Edubuntu has a LTSP install mode
[15:04] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:05] <markit> shadeslayer: yep, I will write docs about KDE and ltsp, and I'm creating some scripts (at the moment in italian, and in ruby language) to make installation much easier
[15:05] <markit> and also KDE configuration, you have to set a lot of stuff "globally"
[15:05] <shadeslayer> cool! please share them on the wiki :D
[15:05] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:05] <shadeslayer> that's fairly easy isn't it?
[15:05] <markit> that only in part can be done in /etc/kde
[15:05] <shadeslayer> erm no :P
[15:05] <markit> no documentation
[15:06] <shadeslayer> if you have kubuntu installed, see /etc/kde4rc
[15:06] <markit> was a lot of "set in the home, find last changed config files, compare with a copy, and try in /etc/kde")
[15:06] <shadeslayer> and then /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/
[15:06] <markit> it took a LOT of time and frustration on my side, I'm not a KDE devs
[15:06] <shadeslayer> KDE does that for you afaik
[15:06] <markit> shadeslayer: there is NOT the right place, since is distro-chained
[15:06] <markit> you upgrade and you loose (risk of)
[15:07] <shadeslayer> it has cascaded configs
[15:07] <shadeslayer> markit: you should have emailed ML's :P
[15:07] <markit> shadeslayer: do you mind if we keep in touch for ltsp and kde related stuff? are you a kde dev?
[15:07]  * persia agrees: everything in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings should be overridable in /etc/kde4rc
[15:07] <shadeslayer> persia: actually nope :P
[15:07] <shadeslayer> I'll explain in a bit
[15:07] <persia> :)
[15:07] <shadeslayer> markit: sure, also a kubuntu-dev so feel free to poke about kubuntu issues :)
[15:07] <markit> shadeslayer: next step should be create javascript scripts to tailor plasma worksplace globally
[15:08] <markit> i.e. I need to get rid of activities
[15:08] <shadeslayer> persia: move to #kubuntu-devel? :D
[15:08] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[15:08] <shadeslayer> markit: that
[15:08] <markit> they are WONDERFUL, I use them
[15:08] <markit> but at school they are a nightmare
[15:08] <shadeslayer> markit: caveat : plasma will force the activities plasmoid
[15:08] <markit> (like multple desktops are, but I solved it, easy to config only 1)
[15:08] <shadeslayer> when you start kde for the first time
[15:10] <markit> shadeslayer: could you please, if interested, give me in private your email? I you think you can help me with ltsp / kde config, I will give back a lot to the community with Ubuntu Wiki about that
[15:10] <shadeslayer> sure
[15:12] <markit> back to my tests, so if something goes wrong, I can ask you in a short time ;P
[15:12] <markit> btw, there is still some activity in #libreoffice-qa for the 4.0 release, if someone wants to help, is welcomed
[15:17] <Aknot> How do i get rid of the taskbar transparency?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> err ... I'd guess disable desktop effects
[15:18] <Aknot> I disabled transparency from kwin but it only disabled it for folders etc
[15:19] <shadeslayer> maybe someone in #kde would know
[15:27] <Aknot> i asked there aswell no answer
[15:35] <mr0wl> hey all
[15:35] <mr0wl> does Kubuntu have the Amazon search thing built into it like Ubuntu does?
[15:36] <yofel> mr0wl: no
[15:36] <mr0wl> yofel: okay, great
[15:36] <mr0wl> thanks
[15:39] <mr0wl> when is the next version of Kubuntu due?
[15:39] <persia> April
[15:40] <mr0wl> good, it's a long way
[15:47] <adamkex> Hey, how do I remove the wallet from KDE?
[15:47] <markit> adamkex: you can disable it from system settings -> look for "wallet" in the uupper right text box
[15:49] <adamkex> markit: Thanks I found it
[15:50] <mr0wl> is there a faster way to install Kubuntu other than downloading the entire DVD iso?
[15:50] <mr0wl> is there a Kubuntu minimal iso?
[15:51] <adamkex> there is a cd version i think
[15:51] <adamkex> which is 700mb large
[15:51] <AbortD> is there something similar to compiz-fusion for kde?
[15:51] <Aknot> kwin
[15:51] <Aknot> its part of kde
[15:52] <Aknot> u already have it
[15:52] <AbortD> alright nice does it pretty much duplicate compiz-fusion in the kde envinroment?
[15:53] <Aknot> check desktop effects on system settings
[15:53] <Aknot> thats kwin
[15:53] <AbortD> im choosing beating kubu and ubu havent been on linux in a few years
[15:53] <AbortD> between*
[15:53] <adamkex> go kubuntu
[15:53] <adamkex> unless you like unity
[15:54] <AbortD> what do you mean by unity?
[15:54] <adamkex> AbortD: this is unity http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Unity_5.12_on_Ubuntu_12.04.png
[15:55] <yofel> mr0wl: there is a mini.iso which pretty much a minimal installer and downloads the package during install - other alternative would be to install ubuntu-server and put kubuntu-desktop on it
[15:55] <Peace-> mr0wl: download the mini iso then sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop #- KDE Plasma Desktop and minimal set of applications
[15:55] <AbortD> barf nevermind
[15:55] <AbortD> thanks for the heads up that looks like the new windows
[15:55] <adamkex> AbortD: haha, kde all the way
[15:56] <Peace-> kde for ever
[15:56] <AbortD> definately i used to like gnome for the applications but that killed it
[15:57] <Aknot> gnome and ubuntu went to shit. Kde ftw
[15:57] <Peace-> AbortD: kde can be what you want :) http://wstaw.org/m/2012/12/20/plasma-desktopMB2769.png
[15:58] <AbortD> yeah i usually keep my bar at the top easiest positions
[15:58] <AbortD> positioning*
[15:59] <AbortD> going on it now with my laptop online reason i kept windows was for a game from 1996 haha
[15:59] <Peace-> AbortD: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-UzcsH0qKhSc/T9SZ9BLP6aI/AAAAAAAAZV8/gcSBgBa5Kks/s800/Selezione_015.png
[16:00] <AbortD> nice what tdo you recommend the lts or the latest
[16:00] <Peace-> AbortD: depends on you  i have both
[16:00] <Peace-> AbortD: i have 4 partions
[16:01] <Peace-> one for unstable with is 13.04 alpha
[16:01] <Peace-> one for 12.10
[16:01] <Peace-> and one for /home
[16:01] <AbortD> oh nice i see where you are coming from one as a stable
[16:01] <Peace-> that is shared between the systems
[16:01] <AbortD> hmm
[16:01] <AbortD> never tried that
[16:01] <AbortD> sharing /home
[16:02] <Peace-> well i change name for users
[16:02] <Peace-> so no problem
[16:02] <Peace-> for me it's the best configuration
[16:02] <AbortD> never really had a need to though
[16:02] <Peace-> cuz if i want delete a system i need just to delete a little 15 GB
[16:02] <adamkex> I just use 12.10
[16:03] <AbortD> it would be nice to get kubuntu onto a little arm pc dev board :P
[16:03] <Peace-> AbortD: i have
[16:03] <AbortD> running smooth or?
[16:03] <Peace-> AbortD: well http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/raspberrypiplasma.jpeg?w=890
[16:04] <Peace-> this is debian with plasma
[16:04] <Peace-> xD
[16:04] <Peace-> on rasperberrypy
[16:04] <AbortD> damn nice
[16:04] <AbortD> im getting a rasp pi soon i think
[16:04] <AbortD> im back ordered till january
[16:04] <Peace-> don't think that is a beast
[16:04] <Peace-> it runs
[16:05] <Peace-> but you need to tweak it
[16:05] <AbortD> how is it with video?
[16:05] <AbortD> you can overclock the rasp pi too
[16:05] <Peace-> yes
[16:05] <Peace-> i didn't btw
[16:06] <Peace-> i got a 512mb raspberrypi so it' s good enough for me
[16:06] <AbortD> i would toss a heatsink on maybe a little fan and try it
[16:06] <AbortD> i just want to do one as a media center
[16:06] <AbortD> that i could easily plug into a mini arcade machine
[16:06] <Peace-> for that you can use the img with xmbc
[16:07] <AbortD> ya
[16:07] <Peace-> AbortD: i used for webcam :) http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/rpiffmpeg.jpeg?w=630&h=393
[16:07] <AbortD> i hate that this crap is so far back ordered?
[16:07] <AbortD> -?
[16:08] <Peace-> what?
[16:08] <AbortD> nevermind the question mark
[16:08] <AbortD> my typing is shit today
[16:08] <Peace-> lol ok
[16:08] <Peace-> AbortD: just a silly question where are you from ?
[16:09] <AbortD> ohio
[16:09] <adamkex> Peace-: That's debian?
[16:09] <Peace-> adamkex: yep
[16:09] <adamkex> I had the same color in the terminal on gentoo
[16:09] <Peace-> adamkex: i used kubuntu :D ssh => rpi with debian
[16:09] <Peace-> AbortD: so american
[16:10] <AbortD> yup
[16:10] <markit> Peace-: reading the irc log... do you have plasma on raspberry (512MB I assume)?
[16:10] <Peace-> markit: yes
[16:10] <adamkex> I don't understand this hype of the raspberry pi
[16:10] <markit> how is it possible? at school can't run decentrly a P4 with anything below 1GB of ram
[16:10] <adamkex> it's just a small computer
[16:11] <Peace-> markit: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/configure-rasperberry-without-monitor-with-a-laptop-kubuntu/
[16:11] <AbortD> adamkex its pretty much a energy efficient hackable small computer
[16:11] <markit> adamkex: yes, but a children can buy it and hack without parents screaming "you are ruining my M$ PC!"
[16:11] <Peace-> adamkex: i can use rpi to see my house when i am out from internet
[16:12] <AbortD> people are using it for quad copters and home file server/cloud
[16:12] <adamkex> hm
[16:12] <Linkmaster_> You guys talking about the Raspberry Pi? I want one, haha
[16:12] <markit> Peace-: I assume is slow like hell with plasma, right?
[16:13] <Peace-> markit: well via ssh it's slow but not so much
[16:13] <Peace-> markit: if you use it directly it should run normally
[16:13] <AbortD> yeah link order now they are on back order
[16:13] <Peace-> ssh is not designed to run X programs
[16:13] <AbortD> i expect to get one by january 17
[16:14] <AbortD> whats the difference of the cd and dvd of kub? do you have to download the rest with the cd?
[16:14] <Peace-> markit: with debian i used debian + kde 3.5 in a pentiuym 2 350mhz
[16:14] <adamkex> unless you're young or poor, why would you want a rpi when you can get regular computer?
[16:14] <markit> kde 3.5 is a different story ;P
[16:14] <Peace-> markit: with matrox milleium g200 8mb of memory
[16:14] <Peace-> markit: 3.5 is not lighter
[16:15] <AbortD> adamkex rasp pi runs on minimal power without screens and is cheap and completely open source
[16:15] <AbortD> adamkex i plan on running a cheap arcade machine off of it
[16:15] <markit> adamkex: try to convince your parent that you can "play" with a 400$ PC, and if you break it have another one soon
[16:15] <markit> adamkex: much easier if costs 35$ no?
[16:15] <adamkex> markit: I said unless you're young
[16:15] <Peace-> adamkex: cuz 30 euros is nothing and i get a running system with linux always online
[16:15] <markit> adamkex: ehm, I'm old and my parents are still alive ;P
[16:16]  * markit missed that part, lol
[16:16] <adamkex> hehe
[16:16] <Peace-> i am not young :)
[16:16] <AbortD> rasp pi runs off of mini usb instead of a power supply the size of a brick
[16:16] <Peace-> AbortD: yep
[16:16] <Linkmaster_> anyhow...I transferred all of the files from my mothers MS computer to an external harddrive, and since it's for her business, I want to doubly check that every single file made it to the harddrive. is there a simple way in Linux to do this? I know it's possible, but my searching didn't work as well as I would have hoped, and I have no clue, nor do I care how, to do it on Windows
[16:16] <AbortD> and you can still use it as a micro controller
[16:17] <adamkex> AbortD: that's actually cool, the arcade machine, how are you going to get it to work?
[16:17] <yofel> Linkmaster_: you could use rsync in checksum mode I guess
[16:17] <Peace-> AbortD: i have even arduino :D
[16:17] <yofel> Linkmaster_: but on windows I don't know either...
[16:17] <kristjan> Hi guys, can anybody tell me what program i can use to convert MP4 to avi
[16:17] <adamkex> Peace-: Unless you can connect a HDD to it I don't see the point of having it online 24/7
[16:17] <Linkmaster_> yofel: would that work if I wanted to check the whole folder? I just moved her username folder over
[16:17] <yofel> Linkmaster_: just mount the drives in linux? ^^
[16:18] <AbortD> i want to get a arduino Peace- after i learn to program a lil better
[16:18] <Peace-> kristjan: ffmpeg -i /paath/file myfile.mp4
[16:18] <AbortD> adamkex you can
[16:18] <Linkmaster_> yofel: I had a small linux partition running on the desktop, and I'm currently logged into that, and have both drives loaded and accessed with it
[16:18] <yofel> Linkmaster_: well, rsync syncs recursively, so it would check everything
[16:18] <adamkex> AbortD: I know, I said how
[16:19] <AbortD> oh
[16:19] <Peace-> kristjan: maybe better ... ffmpeg -i /paath/file    -ab 128k -b 1000k       myfile.mp4
[16:19] <AbortD> usb hard drive
[16:19] <Linkmaster_> yofel: I'm not particularly familiar with rsync, where is the tutorial for it, etc.
[16:19] <kristjan> Thanks Peace, im newbe, is there any easy to use app
[16:19] <AbortD> PEace- whats the dif between cd and dvd kub
[16:19] <adamkex> AbortD: I mean the controls, the emulator, the monitor, the actual cabin
[16:19] <Peace-> kristjan: mmm yes but the best thing its' ffmepg
[16:20] <AbortD> ohhhh
[16:20] <Peace-> AbortD: nothing you get the most of the stuff on the dvd
[16:20] <AbortD> build the cabin
[16:20] <Peace-> AbortD: but i use mini iso :P
[16:20] <AbortD> the controls and monitor plug into it easily through a hdmi or another port and usb
[16:20] <kristjan> then i need step by step instructions Peace
[16:20] <AbortD> the emulator is typical linux emulation
[16:20] <yofel> Linkmaster_: lots, but I'm having a hard time right now to find a *simple* one
[16:21] <adamkex> AbortD: so will you make your own controller?
[16:21] <Peace-> kristjan: ok install this one Handbrake
[16:21] <AbortD> i could but i probably wont i will end up modding one
[16:21] <yofel> Linkmaster_: maybe just 'rsync -avhc source_folder/ destination_folder' would be enough (note: the slashes matter).
[16:21] <Peace-> kristjan: it's not bad
[16:21] <adamkex> AbortD: like buttons on the machine
[16:21] <AbortD> im not that savvy and program
[16:22] <AbortD> programming*
[16:22] <Linkmaster_> yofel: yeah, I know how that is...do you know the command to essentially "rysnc -check /path/to/system-drive /path/to/external" ?
[16:22] <kristjan> ok , ill dry
[16:22] <AbortD> adamkex arduino could be used for programming the controller though
[16:22] <Linkmaster_> yofel: aah, you answered when I was asking, haha
[16:23] <AbortD> adamkex my goal for this is be cheap as possible
[16:23] <Linkmaster_> yofel: I'll give that a shot. And you said that slash mattered, is that basically an "end" call or something?
[16:23] <adamkex> AbortD: Oh so you want to sell it?
[16:23] <Peace-> kristjan: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:stebbins/handbrake-releases ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install handbrake ; handbrake
[16:23] <adamkex> I thought this was going to be a hobby
[16:23] <AbortD> it is a cheap hobby :)
[16:23] <Peace-> kristjan: that should add the ppa , update the repository , install the program  and run the program
[16:24] <yofel> Linkmaster_: not really, it has a tricky way to handle folders and if you do it wrong you'll end up with not source in target, but source in target/source/
[16:24] <kristjan> i installed it via muon
[16:24] <Peace-> kristjan: good
[16:24] <AbortD> adamkex if i ever did decide to sell one id prolly have to produce the board my self
[16:24] <yofel> Linkmaster_: note that the rsync manpage is rather good
[16:25] <Linkmaster_> yofel: ah, herm. thanks for mentioning that, I'll explicitly state the file path now
[16:25] <Peace-> yofel: btw is a rsync function  present on owncloud?
[16:25] <Peace-> if you know
[16:25] <Peace-> i know you know
[16:25] <Peace-> lol
[16:26] <yofel> Peace-: I don't actually - haven't had time to play with it enough yet :/
[16:26] <yofel> IIRC it supports webdav, so that would be one way to handle that
[16:26] <Peace-> yofel: bad yofel lol
[16:27] <adamkex> AbortD: Ok, do you know if it is powerful enough to play games at speed?
[16:27] <AbortD> all emulated games like mame nes snes sega yada yada
[16:27] <AbortD> yes
[16:27] <AbortD> n64 im pretty sure
[16:28] <adamkex> AbortD: There isn't good n64 emulation
[16:28] <Peace-> adamkex: this is quake 3 on rpi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULKSflai7I8
[16:29] <kristjan> Hey peace , handbrake converted it to mkv file
[16:29] <Peace-> kristjan: ok ... you need to set it ..
[16:29] <kristjan> i dont see any options to convert it to avi
[16:29] <Peace-> lol it's a converter so it converts in several stuff
[16:29] <Linkmaster_> yofel: I just realized, rsync is one of the best ways to transfer files, isn't it?
[16:30] <yofel> Linkmaster_: if you need more than cp does, yeah
[16:30] <Peace-> kristjan: http://main.makeuseoflimited.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/handbrake.png
[16:30] <Linkmaster_> So, I'm thinking...instead of checking it, I just *use* rysnc to move the files instead of windows itself @ yofel
[16:31] <yofel> Linkmaster_: feel free to, though that would mean copying everything *again*
[16:31] <adamkex> Peace-: That looks nice
[16:31] <Linkmaster_> bah...it's only 106gb
[16:31] <Peace-> adamkex: i was thinking to use it like server instead
[16:31] <Peace-> adamkex: if i am out i leave it open so i can access to my own data from internet
[16:31] <adamkex> Peace-: what kind of server?
[16:32] <Linkmaster_> I'll let it run the check anyhow, see if anything comes up. Is there a way to use rsync to copy only the files that didn't get transferred?
[16:32] <Peace-> adamkex: i guess i will install owncloud on it
[16:32] <Peace-> adamkex: something like this http://demo.owncloud.org/
[16:32] <Peace-> adamkex: you can set it up even on your kubuntu box right now
[16:32] <kristjan> Peace
[16:32] <kristjan> Thanks
[16:33] <kristjan> Now
[16:33] <Peace-> kristjan: good
[16:33] <kristjan> I need to merge some clips
[16:33] <kristjan> what app i can use?
[16:33] <Peace-> kristjan: kdenlive
[16:33] <Linkmaster_> I'll let it run the check anyhow, see if anything comes up. Is there a way to use rsync to copy only the files that didn't get transferred? yofel (sorry, forgot to tag you, not sure if you saw it)
[16:33] <yofel> Linkmaster_: that's the default behaviour. As I'm not sure how NTFS handles timestamps I told you to use 'c' which needs more traffic.
[16:34] <yofel> usually it just compares the timestamps and compares what's new
[16:34] <Linkmaster_> yofel: could you explain what the different flags do?
[16:34] <kristjan> Thanks again Peace
[16:34] <yofel> note that by default it doesn't *delete* anything if you sync, you need to tell it that if it should
[16:34] <adamkex> Peace-: I don't need a cloud on my computer right now :P
[16:35] <adamkex> I had a funtoo server but the HDD broke
[16:35] <Peace-> kristjan: http://www.kdenlive.org/tutorial/basic-introduction-kdenlive
[16:35] <Linkmaster_> yofel: since the desktop hasn't been touched since I've got my hands on it, there (shouldn't) be any differences
[16:36] <yofel> Linkmaster_: a is archive (summary for -rlptgoD), h is human readable size values, v is verbose, c is checksum checking
[16:36] <yofel> Linkmaster_: rsync has a gazillion options, enjoy reading the manpage
[16:37] <yofel> Linkmaster_: the manpage also actually explains every option so it's worth to read
[16:37] <Linkmaster_> hahah, alright. sometimes the manpage isn't all that "semi-geek" readible though, so that's why I was asking...this will take some time though. going through 106gigs of data, I'll get back to you in a bit yofel , see how it goes
[16:39] <howudodat> I have noticed a wierd problem with my kubuntu desktop.  It usually is present in the monring after I wake up the screens.  Upper right hand corner of the screen ~4" wide 2" tall is a blurry box.  I am thinking it is a blurred background from one of the notify windows.  Refresh of the desktop doesn't remove it.  Any ideas how to kill this box?
[16:39] <adamkex> anyhow
[16:39] <adamkex> I'm leaving the chat, bye guys!
[16:39] <yofel> howudodat: that box *should* have the name of the activity that you're using in it as it's the activity menu
[16:41] <Linkmaster_> Oh, random question...how do you tell a linux computer to switch the fans on?
[16:42]  * yofel only knows how to do that on thinkpads
[16:42] <AbortD> in C
[16:43] <Linkmaster_> Well...I'd like to know how to do it on a thinkpad as well, seeing as two of my personal computers are thinkpads, haha xD but it's for the Dell that I'm currently asking..
[16:43] <yofel> there is this 'fancontrol' package in the archive that might be useful
[16:43] <howudodat> yofel: I dont think it's an activiy menu, but it might be.  There is no title, no borders.  it doesn't appear to be an undecorated window.  imo it's a blurr that a window would be layed on top of
[16:43] <yofel> haven't really used it
[16:43] <AbortD> bbl guys
[16:43] <yofel> howudodat: that somehow sounds like plasma isn't actually rendering that window...
[16:43] <Linkmaster_> yofel: thanks, I'll play around with that
[16:45] <Linkmaster_> howudodat: I had a similar problem back in KDE4.7 I think, where a notification came up from the system monitor thing, but the desktop never quite rendered the image away. An update fixed it though, so I never really figured out what happened...
[16:45] <yofel> Linkmaster_: as for thinkpads, there you can install tp-smapi-dkms, enable fan control by passing fan_control=1 to the thinkpad_acpi module and then control the fan from /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
[16:45] <Linkmaster_> maybe it was 4.5...something around the days of Kubu10.10
[16:46] <howudodat> Linkmaster: I think that's on the right track.  It appears right where all my notoify popups appear.  I am on Kubu 12.10, not sure the version of kde, how can I check?
[16:47] <Linkmaster_> Just open up dolphin, go to "help" and click on "about KDE"
[16:48] <Linkmaster_> But..it should be something around 4.9 if I believe, and I haven't had such a problem on my 11.10, KDE4.8.ish system, so..I'm not quite sure
[16:48] <yofel> official 12.10 is 4.9.3 currently
[16:48] <howudodat> yup kde 4.9.3
[16:49] <Linkmaster_> howudodat: how long has this problem persisted for?
[16:50] <yofel> need to go - bbl
[16:50] <Linkmaster_> howudodat: also, random idea I came up with just now...tonight when you go to sleep, lock the screen, and then go to sleep like normal. When you turn the monitors back on, you'll have to log into the desktop again. See if that provides a work around
[16:51] <howudodat> Linkmaster_: pretty much since install.  also, I just noticed if I move my mouse around the screen (ie homer on a foldr in dolphin) it slightly messes with the blur.  Hard to describe, but it's like a clean shift in the blur window (picture 3 vertical bands).  After moving mouse a little more the blur restores to one solid band
[16:51] <howudodat> brb, will lock the screen and come back
[16:52] <howudodat> Linkmaster_:ok, lock screen and use pw to enter didn't remove the box
[16:53] <yofel> can you try if disabling effects with shift+alt+f12 helps?
[16:53] <yofel> it could be that the driver isn't rendering it right
[16:54] <Linkmaster_> yofel: it might be the "blur" effect..I don't know why, but ever since 11.04 came out, blur has never worked for me
[16:54] <Linkmaster_> not even 11.04, it "broke" at the KDE4.6 update.
[16:55] <yofel> it works usually, but on my netbooks intel 945GME it's so slow that it's unusable
[16:55] <howudodat> yofel:disable effects and then re-enable removed the window
[16:55] <yofel> ... fun
[16:56] <yofel> anyway, really gone now :)
[16:59] <Linkmaster_> yofel: gone, but doesn't tell us why xD
[17:00] <howudodat> Linkmaster_:my guess is the notify process never died correctly, which is why it would still be visible after I lock the screena nd come back or switch users, which should force a total screen redraw.  I guess I could file a bug on it
[17:02] <Linkmaster_> Yah, that's along the lines I was thinking, since it happened to me long ago, and that's what I figured it out to be then...not sure why though..unless you do have the "blur" effect on, and that would explain it(in my world, that effect is nothing but trouble)
[17:03] <howudodat> Linkmaster_: agreed it's trouble, but a bit of eye candy is /nice/ to have.  after all I stare at these monitors for the better part of 14 hours a day :(
[17:04] <Linkmaster_> howudodat: also agreed. I just stopped using it because it gave similar issues to yofel's, creating the system to become unusable. For whatever reason, it actually locked up my desktop. I was shocked, haha
[17:06] <howudodat> Linkmaster_:  wow, my system locked up too, but when I switched to nvida drivers that problem got better.  so far other than the nagging window it /seems/ to be ok.  I'll have to keep an eye on it.
[17:09] <Linkmaster_> howudodat: yeah, the computer(s) that it locked up either had /no/ video card at all, or the AMD stuff..
[17:10] <howudodat> interesting.  well someone's telling me it's time to eat, and I smell cinnamon rolls....I'm outa here.  Thanks for the help!
[17:11] <Linkmaster_> howudodat: hahah, I'd have been gone at the smell, have fun, and no problem
[17:34] <Linkmaster> yofel: ping
[17:41] <Linkmaster> yofel: here is the end of the rsync: http://paste.kde.org/628832/
[17:53] <yofel> Linkmaster: looks ok
[17:53] <Linkmaster> not like I have any idea of what it means xD
[17:54] <yofel> well, you would see any errors while it's checking, or to see transfer progress for every file you could use --progress (only shows actually tranferred files)
[17:55] <Linkmaster> Would the errors have only shown up while it's checking, or would it have listed it at the end? I didn't watch the entire thing, though I did see a large bit of it
[17:55] <yofel> seems like it sent 136.23M (includes rsync metadata) and checked 112.81G.
[17:55] <yofel> while it's checking
[17:56] <yofel> though it usually says a sentence if there are errors
[17:56] <Linkmaster> I'll just run it one last time...nothing wrong with redundancy...(RAID, anyone?)
[17:56] <yofel> like "some files vanished while it was transferring" or "there were errors"
[17:56] <Linkmaster> Ohh, okay
[17:58] <cjae> 974 MB dowload now?
[17:58] <yofel> the desktop image is ~1GB now
[17:59] <cjae> ~/
[17:59] <cjae> ?
[18:00] <yofel> ~ = roughly
[18:00] <cjae> ok
[18:01] <cjae> also is there still the issue of using an older version of startup disc creator with a newer distro iso?
[18:02] <cjae> eg. startup on 12.04 to make a usb bootable of 12.10
[18:09] <Linkmaster> yofel: if you were to say that ~ something is ~ large, would that mean it's exactly that size?
[18:10] <yofel> well, I usually know ~ as meaning 'about', so it's the opposite
[18:10] <yofel> it's not like there is that distorted = on a keyboard
[18:14] <Linkmaster> Yeah, I know, I'm just using the word as a trick sentence...you know, 4 - -5 is 9 type of thing
[18:15] <yofel> heh
[18:16] <Linkmaster> Is that why they use "~" for "home"? =P because no-one knows what's actually there, so it's "approximately" that?
[18:16] <yofel> good question - but I don't know the answer for that either ^^
[18:17] <Linkmaster> hahah, I just literally thought of that
[18:17] <Linkmaster> MIND-BENDERS.
[18:17] <Aknot> How do i turn off taskbar translucency
[21:06] <landracer> hey folks!
[21:06] <landracer> Who's loving KDE!? :-)
[21:07] <landracer> me, me, me!!!! :-D
[21:08] <cornfeed> has anyone ever setup keybindings to tile windows? like how you can now drag a window to the edge and it will only fill up 50% of the screen, of the top and it fills the whole window...any way to make that happen with like win+up,down,left,right?
[21:48] <mime_1111> hello ppl, my volume wheel only works on master channel, leaving the internal channel to be at the same volume once i volume down my wheel, is there any way to move both, please? thank you all
[22:04] <howudodat> ok, hre comes another problem.  this tie with kopete.  for about a day or maybe 2 kopete cant connect to google talk.  I dont really get any error messages, it just never goes online.    just for giggles, I did a apt purge of kopete, and used "Instant messenger kontacts" and when I added the account, kopete popped up a kde-wallet dialog box.  hmmm.... also IM Kontacts wouldn't connect either, but I can use gtalk from my chrome
[22:04] <howudodat> browser.  Ideas?
[22:11] <shadeslayer> howudodat: seems like you used kde telepathy
[22:12] <shadeslayer> for adding the account again
[22:15] <howudodat> shadeslayer: yes looks like it v.0.5.1 but that didn't work either
[22:15] <shadeslayer> I see
[22:16] <shadeslayer> howudodat: so your contacts don't show up the contact list and there's a error notification?
[22:16] <shadeslayer> could you tell me what the error notification says?
[22:16] <howudodat> kde telepath error says authentication failed....i 2x checked the pw and it works in pidgin and in chrome
[22:17] <Catbuntu> hi
[22:19] <shadeslayer> hm
[22:20] <shadeslayer> not sure then, but if says auth failed, it's usually an incorrect password/username
[22:21] <mime_1111> hello ppl, is any way to set pcm as default in kmix or alsamixer? thnx
[22:21] <shadeslayer> mime_1111: right click the sound icon > Select master channel ?
[22:22] <mime_1111> it just dont react at that
[22:22] <mime_1111> after the update
[22:22] <Guest97128> zim
[22:24] <mime_1111> so, im asking if there is a way to change any txt and always my build in wheel change pcm instead of master, because my built in speakers have speaker and subwoofer, both, but volume up/down only change the speaker, leaving the woofer to loud when i volume down
[22:24] <mime_1111> its very stupid
[22:25] <mime_1111> i just want to set pcm as default in alsamixer, or watever i use
[22:25] <mime_1111> im tired of searching
[22:26] <shadeslayer> maybe #alsa can help?
[22:26] <shadeslayer> if kmix doesn't work
[22:27] <mime_1111> my wheel keeps moving master, instead of pcm
[22:29] <mime_1111> thnx  anyway
[22:42] <mime_1111> any way  to set pcm as default in alsamixer, making my built-in volume wheel move that channel?
[23:11] <Aknot> How do i install flash? there isnt .deb on adobe site
[23:12] <OerHeks> Aknot, install Kubuntu restricted extra's for flash, openJDK and codecs
[23:15] <Aknot> its working like shit
[23:15] <Aknot> is there a way to watch youtube videos with vlc?
[23:29] <markit> Aknot: I usually download locally with a Firefox plugin
[23:29] <markit> even if don't think google is happy about that
[23:29] <markit> ;P
[23:30] <Aknot> markit u mean u download the file to computer and then watch it?
[23:30] <markit> Aknot: yes
[23:30] <markit> Aknot: and this is not windows, go around and install proprietary software is not at all, use only sw that is in the repo and that is Free, like gnash
[23:31] <markit> Aknot: there is also proprietary flash in ubuntu repo, but this is a different story that I will not discuss ;P
[23:31] <markit> also you can set youtube to show html5 videos, so you can see also a lot without plugins (but not all)
[23:32] <Aknot> downloading the file is too much hassle
[23:34] <phiscribe> i don't like gnash.  i just use the adobe one.
[23:35] <OerHeks> phiscribe +1
[23:41] <Aknot> lol tried gnash, lags like hell when fullscreen
[23:43] <bazhang> gnash is not a viable option
[23:43] <OerHeks> Aknot, install Kubuntu restricted extra's for flash and you'll be fine
[23:44] <Aknot> i did, but im having some trouble with flash now
[23:45] <OerHeks> Aknot, you need a reboot after that.
[23:47] <Aknot> wtf i uninstalled gnash then installed flash but it says that i dont have flash when im trying to watch youtube videos
[23:47] <Aknot> they worked before
[23:49] <Aknot> fucking gnash fucked everything up
[23:50] <OerHeks> With that language i don't care, good luck with it.
[23:50] <Aknot> ok now it works
[23:51] <bazhang> Aknot, no cursing here
[23:52] <Aknot> ok
[23:52] <bazhang> remove gnash
[23:52] <bazhang> install flash from the repos