[18:42] <AlanBell> 83 people in that channel and one op in the access list along with ubuntuirccouncil
[18:44] <IdleOne> you might want to add a few :)
[18:44] <AlanBell> yeah, I asked bryce to pop in here to have a chat about it
[18:45] <AlanBell> there are a few likely candidates in the channel (including directhex)
[18:58] <AlanBell> we should probably get a logbot in #ubuntu-steam too I guess
[19:03] <IdleOne> yup
[19:06] <IdleOne> finally got my steam account password sorted
[19:55] <Tm_T> hi bryce
[19:55] <bryce> Tm_T, hi
[20:24] <AlanBell> hi bryce
[20:24] <AlanBell> apparently there was a bit of trolling or something in -steam earlier, do you think we should add some more operators there?
[20:25] <Tm_T> I think yes
[20:25] <Tm_T> oh, you meant bryce
[20:26] <AlanBell> bryce2 is the only operator in addition to UbuntuIrcCouncil
[20:54] <bryce> AlanBell, yeah probably would be a good idea
[20:55] <bryce2> AlanBell, want to walk me thru how to do that?
[20:55] <AlanBell> sure, firstly who do you want to add?
[20:56] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, he shoudl add you as a backup :P
[20:56] <TheLordOfTime> s/he/they/
[20:56]  * TheLordOfTime returns to lurkmode
[20:56] <AlanBell> I can use ubuntuirccouncil account so no need to add me individually
[20:56] <AlanBell> and I don't tend to be in that channel anyway
[20:57] <TheLordOfTime> :P
 wait, you're not *everywhere*? </offtopic>
[20:57] <AlanBell> directhex popey bkerensa would be people in the channel I know and are likely to be reasonably active
[20:57] <bryce2> hmm, deryck, bkerensa, popey
[20:58] <bkerensa> hi
[20:58] <bryce2> derickhex is pretty active, he'd be good
[20:58] <bryce2> AlanBell, think that's enough?  how many ops is a good number?
[20:58] <AlanBell> that sounds fine, you can always add more later
[20:59] <TheLordOfTime> bryce2, i think "good number" varies based on channel traffic
[20:59] <TheLordOfTime> for #ubuntu, for example,  4 or 5 ops isnt enough.
[20:59] <bkerensa> bryce2 / AlanBell : I saw the troll earlier but couldnt act
[20:59] <TheLordOfTime> (based on observations)
[20:59] <bryce2> yeah guess we can start with them.  I should add my 'regular' account too.
[20:59] <IdleOne> #ubuntu has >9000 and it never seems to be enough
[20:59] <bkerensa> even though people ping me about him
[20:59] <AlanBell> so start with /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-steam list
[20:59] <bkerensa> <tgm4883> bkerensa, I was seeing if you were able to get rid of a troll in #ubuntu-steam, but he seems to have stopped caring
[20:59] <AlanBell> that will show you the current access list
[21:00] <bryce2> AlanBell, ok.
[21:00] <AlanBell> then /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-steam popey +Aiotv
[21:00] <IdleOne> bryce2: I'm new to the channel but I don't mind being idle in there and acting if needed.
[21:01] <IdleOne> I won't be hurt if you don;t add me :)
[21:01] <TheLordOfTime> IdleOne, true statement (for #ubuntu > 9000)
[21:01] <AlanBell> and same for the other people you want to add
[21:01] <AlanBell> then "access #ubuntu-steam list" again to see if you got it right
[21:01] <AlanBell> and tell the people concerned what you have done :)
[21:03] <bryce2> ok, bryce, popey, bkerensa, deryck, directhex added as ops for #ubuntu-steam
[21:03] <bryce2> AlanBell, will notify folks directly.  :-)
[21:03] <Fuchs> bryce2: if you want staff to intervene in case of no ops being around, you might want to add us. Note that this is entirely optional
[21:04] <bryce2> Fuchs, UbuntuIrcCouncil is on there currently; anything more needed?
[21:04] <IdleOne> always a good idea to have them in the access list
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> bryce2, freenode staff
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> *!*@freenode/staff/*
[21:04] <Fuchs> bryce2: as said, optional, but *!*@freenode/staff/*
[21:04] <bryce2> ok
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> if i remember the pattern right.
[21:04] <Fuchs> yes, yes you do
[21:04] <AlanBell> good point
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> Fuchs, suggested ACL flags?
[21:04] <Fuchs> *shrug*
[21:05] <bryce2> -ChanServ- Flags +Aiotv were set on *!*@freenode/staff/* in #ubuntu-steam.
[21:05] <TheLordOfTime> that works :P
[21:05] <Fuchs> +votiA seems common, but for most things we would actually do  (e.g. remove trolls) +o alone would be sufficient
[21:05] <AlanBell> great, thanks bryce2
[21:05] <Fuchs> thanks :)
[21:12] <bryce2> no prob.  Ok, notices sent.
[23:46] <hggdh> OK, folks I need help on the #ubuntu-br
[23:46] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, issues?
[23:46] <hggdh> there is one op there -- Rudolf -- that is completely uncontrolled
[23:47]  * TheLordOfTime pokes AlanBell
[23:47] <hggdh> and has just banned me from the channel
[23:48] <hggdh> so I will need a real op to set things right (whatever is right)
[23:48] <TheLordOfTime> well, anyone with +o can undo the ban, per se, if nobody on IRCC shows up any ubuntu member can suffice
[23:49] <AlanBell> hi hggdh
[23:49] <TheLordOfTime> SPEAKING of the IRCC, isnt abusive-ops one of the things they typically handle? :P
[23:49] <AlanBell> it is
[23:49] <AlanBell> hggdh: what time did this happen?
[23:50] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, i've pulled banlogs, timestamp ~ 18:45 UTC-0500 if the system's reporting right...
[23:50]  * TheLordOfTime glances briefly at the server correctly reporting bantimes :P
[23:50] <TheLordOfTime> (so, approximately 5 minutes ago give or take?)
[23:51] <hggdh> AlanBell:  17:45 CST
[23:51] <hggdh> yes
[23:51] <AlanBell> ok, lets give it a few minutes for the logs to update at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/12/20/%23ubuntu-br.html
[23:51] <TheLordOfTime> so yeah, 7 minutes ago.
[23:51] <AlanBell> what was the reasoning behind the ban?
[23:52] <hggdh> AlanBell: I asked him to control his language (a dialog earlier on from him was completely off-limits)
[23:53] <hggdh> *why* he banned, I do not know. I did not even know we would accept ops like him
[23:53] <TheLordOfTime> speaking of logs updating, how often do they update, AlanBell?
[23:54] <AlanBell> TheLordOfTime: it writes to disk every hour
[23:54] <hggdh> 17:45:50               -- | Mode #ubuntu-br [+b *!*hggdh@ubuntu/member/hggdh] by Rudolf
[23:54] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, as an aside, I see one thing out of place in that channel: the person in question is +o still
[23:54] <TheLordOfTime> isn't it op-act-deop?
[23:55] <AlanBell> one would normally do that, but it isn't in itself a big deal
[23:55] <Fuchs> that is merely a guideline than a fix rule. Also out of experience, letting things de-escalate instead of looking for more things to fight over is more productive :)
[23:56] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, i think i can see the "bad language" in question, and attitude, although google translate's pretty crappy with translations... (I only /join'd to check its +b list)
[23:57] <hggdh> indeed. I have been seen the channel go south for a while now, and today I saw a really low-level chat from Rudolf, and I asked both participants to control their language, and respect the channel
[23:57] <hggdh> s/been seen/been seeing/ # <sigh/>
[23:58] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell, if I had any sway, i'd say he's far abusing operdom, and acting like someone who shouldn't have +o
[23:58]  * TheLordOfTime sees a couple of things that'd be against the ops guildelines for ubuntu