=== bkerensa_ is now known as bkerensa === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [18:29] directhex called the ops in #ubuntu-steam () [18:42] 83 people in that channel and one op in the access list along with ubuntuirccouncil [18:44] you might want to add a few :) [18:44] yeah, I asked bryce to pop in here to have a chat about it [18:45] there are a few likely candidates in the channel (including directhex) [18:58] we should probably get a logbot in #ubuntu-steam too I guess [19:03] yup [19:06] finally got my steam account password sorted [19:55] hi bryce [19:55] Tm_T, hi [20:24] hi bryce [20:24] apparently there was a bit of trolling or something in -steam earlier, do you think we should add some more operators there? [20:25] I think yes [20:25] oh, you meant bryce [20:26] bryce2 is the only operator in addition to UbuntuIrcCouncil [20:54] AlanBell, yeah probably would be a good idea === bryce is now known as bryce2 [20:55] AlanBell, want to walk me thru how to do that? [20:55] sure, firstly who do you want to add? [20:56] AlanBell, he shoudl add you as a backup :P [20:56] s/he/they/ [20:56] * TheLordOfTime returns to lurkmode [20:56] I can use ubuntuirccouncil account so no need to add me individually [20:56] and I don't tend to be in that channel anyway [20:57] :P [20:57] wait, you're not *everywhere*? [20:57] directhex popey bkerensa would be people in the channel I know and are likely to be reasonably active [20:57] hmm, deryck, bkerensa, popey [20:58] hi [20:58] derickhex is pretty active, he'd be good [20:58] AlanBell, think that's enough? how many ops is a good number? [20:58] that sounds fine, you can always add more later [20:59] bryce2, i think "good number" varies based on channel traffic [20:59] for #ubuntu, for example, 4 or 5 ops isnt enough. [20:59] bryce2 / AlanBell : I saw the troll earlier but couldnt act [20:59] (based on observations) [20:59] yeah guess we can start with them. I should add my 'regular' account too. [20:59] #ubuntu has >9000 and it never seems to be enough [20:59] even though people ping me about him [20:59] so start with /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-steam list [20:59] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I was seeing if you were able to get rid of a troll in #ubuntu-steam, but he seems to have stopped caring [20:59] that will show you the current access list [21:00] AlanBell, ok. [21:00] then /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-steam popey +Aiotv [21:00] bryce2: I'm new to the channel but I don't mind being idle in there and acting if needed. [21:01] I won't be hurt if you don;t add me :) [21:01] IdleOne, true statement (for #ubuntu > 9000) [21:01] and same for the other people you want to add [21:01] then "access #ubuntu-steam list" again to see if you got it right [21:01] and tell the people concerned what you have done :) [21:03] ok, bryce, popey, bkerensa, deryck, directhex added as ops for #ubuntu-steam [21:03] AlanBell, will notify folks directly. :-) [21:03] bryce2: if you want staff to intervene in case of no ops being around, you might want to add us. Note that this is entirely optional [21:04] Fuchs, UbuntuIrcCouncil is on there currently; anything more needed? [21:04] always a good idea to have them in the access list [21:04] bryce2, freenode staff [21:04] *!*@freenode/staff/* [21:04] bryce2: as said, optional, but *!*@freenode/staff/* [21:04] ok [21:04] if i remember the pattern right. [21:04] yes, yes you do [21:04] good point [21:04] Fuchs, suggested ACL flags? [21:04] *shrug* [21:05] -ChanServ- Flags +Aiotv were set on *!*@freenode/staff/* in #ubuntu-steam. [21:05] that works :P [21:05] +votiA seems common, but for most things we would actually do (e.g. remove trolls) +o alone would be sufficient [21:05] great, thanks bryce2 [21:05] thanks :) [21:12] no prob. Ok, notices sent. === bryce2 is now known as bryce [23:46] OK, folks I need help on the #ubuntu-br [23:46] hggdh, issues? [23:46] there is one op there -- Rudolf -- that is completely uncontrolled [23:47] * TheLordOfTime pokes AlanBell [23:47] and has just banned me from the channel [23:48] so I will need a real op to set things right (whatever is right) [23:48] well, anyone with +o can undo the ban, per se, if nobody on IRCC shows up any ubuntu member can suffice [23:49] hi hggdh [23:49] SPEAKING of the IRCC, isnt abusive-ops one of the things they typically handle? :P [23:49] it is [23:49] hggdh: what time did this happen? [23:50] AlanBell, i've pulled banlogs, timestamp ~ 18:45 UTC-0500 if the system's reporting right... [23:50] * TheLordOfTime glances briefly at the server correctly reporting bantimes :P [23:50] (so, approximately 5 minutes ago give or take?) [23:51] AlanBell: 17:45 CST [23:51] yes [23:51] ok, lets give it a few minutes for the logs to update at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/12/20/%23ubuntu-br.html [23:51] so yeah, 7 minutes ago. [23:51] what was the reasoning behind the ban? [23:52] AlanBell: I asked him to control his language (a dialog earlier on from him was completely off-limits) [23:53] *why* he banned, I do not know. I did not even know we would accept ops like him [23:53] speaking of logs updating, how often do they update, AlanBell? [23:54] TheLordOfTime: it writes to disk every hour [23:54] 17:45:50 -- | Mode #ubuntu-br [+b *!*hggdh@ubuntu/member/hggdh] by Rudolf [23:54] AlanBell, as an aside, I see one thing out of place in that channel: the person in question is +o still [23:54] isn't it op-act-deop? [23:55] one would normally do that, but it isn't in itself a big deal [23:55] that is merely a guideline than a fix rule. Also out of experience, letting things de-escalate instead of looking for more things to fight over is more productive :) [23:56] AlanBell, i think i can see the "bad language" in question, and attitude, although google translate's pretty crappy with translations... (I only /join'd to check its +b list) [23:57] indeed. I have been seen the channel go south for a while now, and today I saw a really low-level chat from Rudolf, and I asked both participants to control their language, and respect the channel [23:57] s/been seen/been seeing/ # [23:58] AlanBell, if I had any sway, i'd say he's far abusing operdom, and acting like someone who shouldn't have +o [23:58] * TheLordOfTime sees a couple of things that'd be against the ops guildelines for ubuntu