=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:00] arkham asylum/city [00:00] lol. i thought mst of them were source? [00:00] bioshock [00:00] source is only used in like 3 games other than hl2 [00:00] and other valve titles [00:00] 50 cent: blood on the sand. looking forward to that one :) [00:00] borderlands. gears of war. mass effect. [00:00] borderlands? [00:01] ok, yeah, that's pretty important then [00:01] devil may cry [00:01] i reckon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctum_(2011_video_game) could be a candidate for HIB8 now, if they get icculus to port it [00:02] UE3 is popular for indies, it's very cheap for an AAA engine [00:03] also http://www.unrealengine.com/en/showcase/ [00:03] rise of the triad? i remember that game from DOS [00:03] ooo the new xcom game too [00:05] http://www.unrealengine.com/udk/licensing/commercial_license_terms/ shows the pricing on the cut down version of UE3 [00:05] hmm so a better question would be what games aren't either source or UE3? [00:06] battlefield and CoD spring to mind [00:06] battlefield is "frostbyte 2" iirc, which is EA's engine of choice now (ME4 and DA3 will use it, for example) [00:07] *shakes fist at EA* [00:07] all call of duty games use versions of the "IW Engine" [00:07] well, not call of duty 1 [00:07] but 2 onwards [00:07] cryengine games too i guess [00:07] cryengine is relatively fringe [00:08] and whatever bethesda uses [00:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryengine#CryEngine_3_2 [00:08] bethesda uses various versions of gamebryo, although they pretend it's not called that anymore, for their RPGs [00:08] and iD are still making their own engines, although not really licensing them anymore [00:09] iD have always been good to linux though... well relatively speaking [00:10] ubisoft has its own engine, called anvilnext nowadays [00:11] what is "dunia engine 2" [00:11] rockstar have an engine called "rage" which is not to be confused with "id tech 5" used in the game "rage" [00:11] dunia is ubisoft's fork of cryengine 1 [00:11] hmm... yeah totally forgot about rockstar [00:11] used in far cry 2 and 3 [00:12] so still plenty of games to be ported [00:12] as opposed to cryengine 2 and 3 used in crysis 1 and 2 [00:13] valve using github for steam bug tracking? [00:14] it looks like 2013 might actually be the year of the linux desktop this time [00:14] nowadays more games are using their own engines (compared to the early unrealengine and quake engine days), but a lot of them share middleware platforms, e.g. havok physics is in many many games [00:14] year of the steambox. linux desktop comes along for the ride. [00:14] \o/ http://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1747660173332716773 [00:15] steambox. chromebox. whatever [00:15] it's all linux [00:15] are loading times lovely under Steam on Linux? [00:15] not for TF2 they're not [00:16] aww [00:16] i don't have any other games on it [00:16] directhex, you had a 5450? [00:16] also i don't have windows to compare it to [00:17] i have a machine with steam on linux and on windows [00:17] not really noticed much difference [00:17] not looked for it though [00:17] oh look, steam client update [00:18] i just remember the loading time being amazing on a Linux native install of whichever UT it was that did that [00:18] 2003 maybe [00:18] http://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/15502w/the_big_updated_list_of_which_steam_for_linux/ [00:18] upvotes plz! [00:19] oh dear, the linux section is broken for me [00:19] "Uninitialized" everywhere [00:19] :o debs! [00:19] http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/ [00:20] "The package is of bad quality" [00:20] Use of uninitialized value $ENV{"HOME"} in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/bin/lintian line 108. [00:20] E: steam: malformed-deb-archive found 4 members instead of 3 [00:21] tsk tsk [00:21] wasn't it always in debs? [00:21] not in the original beta [00:21] when it opened to 80K people it did, yes [00:54] 00:14 it looks like 2013 might actually be the year of the linux desktop this time [00:54] BWAHAHAHAHAHA [00:59] you have that phrase on highlight? :) [01:21] http://i.imgur.com/BNspf.jpg [01:22] gotta love the mr.kipling seasonal feeling [01:23] popey, no i just happened to look at the scrollbacj [01:23] s/cj/ck/ [01:28] heh, you should see the one we got a few christmasses ago which had plastic IN the mince pie [01:31] :O [01:31] that's not festive, that's not festive at all! [01:31] did you send off with a complaint to get some freebies? :) [01:36] dunno, it was AlanBells [01:36] http://twitpic.com/3i6gfy [01:37] whoa :o [01:37] gosh, that long ago [01:37] time, eh :( [01:37] I was in my thirties when I took that :( [01:38] i'm getting dangerously close to my 30s [01:38] it's a bit scary [01:38] i've still managed to resist growing up, though i've bought a place locally now, so baby-steps... [01:39] locally being? [01:39] mainland? [01:39] nah Guernsey [01:39] i sold up over on the mainland [01:40] oh you're back on the island? [01:40] yep, now i'm poor due to the vast difference in property cost :) [01:40] i've been back since i graduated in '08 [01:41] fair bit of travel in the last few years though [01:42] right, I'm getting uglier by the second, need my beauty sleep! [01:42] nn [01:44] \o === matt_ is now known as Guest49806 === Guest49806 is now known as matts1 [08:20] Good early morning peeps [08:21] pip pip [08:22] afternoonings [08:22] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/microsoft-offers-patches-to-webkit-to-aid-touch-compatibility/ [08:24] Like it - MS are effectively challenging Apple to open up. [08:34] check your (apache) servers? http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/apache-plugin-turns-legit-sites-into-bank-attack-platforms/ [08:40] \o/ lighttpd :) [08:41] That's a really clever module - lots of tricks to avoid admin detection.. [08:41] What none of the links say is how to identify if you have it or not :-( [08:41] It sounds unlikely but hey ho. === Namor is now known as Klettbar [08:49] aloha [08:50] morning czajkowski [08:55] ello TheOpenSourcerer all set for Christmas? [08:55] Nope :-D [08:56] meh [09:16] Morning all! o/ [09:16] mornin! [10:26] AlanBell, Nice post on The Open Sourcerer 'Privacy is hard. Lets go shopping!' .. I'm checking my amazon EC2- tor account just now, but I'll read it in full later :) http://wp.me/phA9d-R4 === dutchie_ is now known as dutchie [10:34] * solarcloud_3scrn wonders why no picture of the multicolor socks came with the email .. like his other Wpress email (??) http://wp.me/p9k-63Z [10:34] * Laney remains in bed [10:34] Was that a slight net-split 3-mins ago ? [10:37] Certainly was [10:42] good morning everyone, [10:43] brobostigon, morning All. [10:44] morning solarcloud_3scrn [11:46] can any parents tell me if the "terrible twos" ends at 3rd birthday? [11:46] * mungojerry hopes so === chalced is now known as chalcedony [11:57] lol [11:57] mungojerry: that bad [11:57] massive screaming tantrums, hissy fits, smacking himself, smashing stuff up [11:57] at the smallest thing [11:58] how do ye deal with it? give him notice or repremand him? [11:58] depends on the severity of tantrum [11:58] note I don't have kids, but have been baby sitting since i was 15 [11:58] removal of privileges, time out in bedroom, smack (don't really work while tantrum is going on) [11:59] not the same thing though I handed them back [11:59] current little counsin is 3 and a bit and has a temper on her, when she pulls a strop and cries and screams I walk way from her and no attention given, she calms down much faster [11:59] * czajkowski has no tolerance for tantrums [12:00] not letting a kid dictate to me :) [12:00] he had time out in room yesterday...trashed it [12:00] we don't give in, so we are setting boundaries [12:00] nods [12:00] has to be hard [12:00] he is quite feisty but hopefully will grow up knowing right from wrong and not givign in to peer pressure [12:00] my wife and I are quite similar [12:00] apparently i was a "spirited" child [12:01] my dad couldn't smack it out of me either [12:01] but when all my mates turned into massive druggies as teenagers, i didn't want to compromise my principles, so i thank my parents for that [12:02] nods [12:02] just hope they stop soon [12:03] mungojerry: just the one ye have ? [12:03] yeah , another due in march :D [12:03] it can get better, or the tantrums get further apart mungojerry [12:04] i remember someone in here saying they could count tantrums between 2-3 on one hand. (christel?) i have multiple per day. [12:04] potty training at the mo, so increased tension [12:05] fun when you get called into school to discuss fighting with boys in the class [12:06] AlanBell: They called to say they weren't doing enough of it? [12:06] mungojerry, when our kids were naughty it was the naughty step [12:06] room is a bad idea because thats where toys are [12:06] naughty step for 1 minute per their age [12:06] Daviey: they called to say she has to stop [12:08] mungojerry, friend of mine did potty training by rewarding each success with a very tiny reward. she gave a single piece of brio train track. so started with nothing and by the end was able to build a decent track [12:08] we never really had tantrums though, especially not multiple times a day [12:08] the potty training is working, but i think it's making him more grouchy, especially grim weather at the mo [12:09] what time is bed time / getting up time? [12:09] 7.30-8am get up, go bed 6.15-6.30pm [12:09] but he recently dropped his morning snooze [12:09] maybe that's why he;s a bit more tired [12:12] hmmm latest updates on 12.10 is causing me no end of woes on compiz crashes, bt it wont open up a crash report for me to follow up on it :/ [12:12] czajkowski, apt-cache policy compiz [12:12] pastebin it pls [12:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1452141/ [12:13] best tool you ever told me to install pastebinit [12:14] what triggers a compiz crash for you? [12:14] nothing specific, alt tabbing loading rhythmbox up, plugging phone in and then unmounting it [12:14] so not one specific thing [12:15] hello [12:15] hmmm [12:15] what if you do "ubuntu-bug compiz" [12:15] does that let you file a bug? [12:16] lemmie try [12:16] as what is happening now is is the usual dialogue box pops up [12:16] compix has crashed [12:16] want to submit data [12:16] and it goes into a loop and then never opens up [12:17] never opens up? [12:17] have done a lot of updates this week, it's been quiet up till [12:17] its not supposed to open up [12:17] in a browswer [12:17] to the bug [12:17] not supposed to [12:17] oh [12:17] I'm at the command line in ubuntu, could someone tell me please how to make an image of my cd to .cue, thank yyou. [12:17] it submits the crash to daisy [12:17] how am I mean to find the bug [12:17] you aren't [12:17] oh [12:17] *confused* [12:18] something crashes, apport detects that and writes out a crashdump [12:18] nods [12:18] whoopsie spots it and if you're online will ask if you want to submit it [12:18] if you click the buttons and don't just kill the window, it submits to daisy [12:18] and will be in http://errors.ubuntu.com/ somewhere [12:18] right [12:19] then the backend reports a bug for you [12:19] but you dont worry about that, it gets taken care of [12:19] however if you _want_ to file a bug, then ubuntu-bug [12:19] problem is A) the window seems to stay open but you've no idea whats happening or when it's over [12:19] b) is a bug created from that report and if so are you added to it ? [12:19] ok, hang on.. [12:19] does compiz _actually_ crash, i mean do the windows go mental? [12:19] or do you just keep getting the popup? [12:20] compiz crashing looks like the windows lose their decoration temporarily and the launcher disappears for a couple of seconds [12:20] windows go mental [12:20] ok [12:20] and then I cant alt tab between then [12:20] do this:- [12:20] as it keeps saying compiz neds to restart [12:21] ls -l /var/crash | pastebinit [12:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1452164/ [12:22] ok, so the crash you had has been uploaded [12:22] -rw-r----- 1 czajkowski whoopsie 14636852 Dec 19 17:32 _usr_bin_compiz.1000.crash [12:22] -rw-rw-r-- 1 czajkowski whoopsie 0 Dec 19 17:33 _usr_bin_compiz.1000.upload [12:22] -rw------- 1 whoopsie whoopsie 0 Dec 20 10:39 _usr_bin_compiz.1000.uploaded [12:22] you had a crash yesterday [12:22] nods [12:23] echo http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo printf /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/product_uuid | sha512sum) [12:23] ok, lets clear that out and start fresh [12:23] oh nice Laney [12:23] if you can view crashes (bug control?) you can see your submitted stuff there [12:23] czajkowski, sudo rm -rf /var/crash/* [12:23] popey: thanks [12:24] and yeah, pm me the output of what laney said [12:24] and I'll find your crash reports [12:24] shows none for me Laney, you sure about that? [12:25] ish [12:25] i dont see czajkowski's either [12:26] ok, try making it: printf $(sudo cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid) | sha512sum [12:26] huh [12:26] wont let me login [12:26] ping popey [12:27] pong [12:27] can i make an image of my cd @ the command line, please? [12:27] If you saw a list of products from SAP that had a column "Issue Type" with Inter and Back in it, what would you think they mean? [12:28] TheHustle: what do you mean ? [12:28] aha! thats better [12:29] TheOpenSourcerer, got a url? [12:29] no - a csv file ;-) [12:29] czajkowski: I have a CD, I don't want to risk loosing the important data, i would like to make a 1:1 .bin file of it [12:29] It's a table of some products. [12:29] at the command line [12:30] The other columns make sense. If you don't know never mind I will ask the customer - at least it's not something taht's totally obvious. [12:31] bah, can see your error reports czajkowski but can't click the individual ones :( [12:32] TheHustle: not sure this is of help to you but have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning [12:33] popey: this is all a bit confusing :( this is wy I like LP ;) [12:33] what's confusing? [12:34] not as easy to find - I know it's there but just I guess not as intutitive. [12:34] you're not supposed to [12:34] thats the point [12:35] cool [12:35] well now I know [12:35] cheers for the help popey [12:36] czajkowski, thank you [12:53] Anyone know of a good shop (or shops) in London to go to to look at and buy outdoorsy knives? £50-£70ish [12:54] find an army surplus store [12:55] BigRedS: try a scuba diving shop [12:55] Oooh, not thought of scuba diving [12:56] I remember the knifes my parents used to own. Huge and vicious looking things [12:56] ah, yeah, a sheath knife rather than a folding one. Most surplus places only do folding knioves, though I think crews hill does sheathes [12:57] i have a leatherman, myself. === MrBojangles is now known as RaycisCharles [12:58] I want a thing to cut yarn with but so far the best suggestion has been a box of dental floss [12:58] cut yarn with dental floss? [12:58] :) [12:58] I was wondering that myself [12:58] most tiny leatherman have knives in them [12:58] BigRedS: what are you up to ? [12:59] haha, it's for a friend! [12:59] so they might be confiscated at airports [13:00] Myrtti: ahhh, leatherman used to do an airport-friendly knife. Style? Either way, I find it easiest to put anything remotely tool-looking in the hold [13:01] yeah well the point is that I might actually knit in the plane [13:01] Check this out on AMZN: [13:01] Clover Yarn Cutter Pendant Antique Silver [13:01] http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0058UDEC8/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_gb?ie=UTF8 [13:01] BigRedS: cant go wrong on amazon [13:01] even that might get confiscated apparently [13:01] as it is a rotary blade [13:02] (sorry about the sucky paste) [13:03] czajkowski: yeah, he wants to ask somebody which kife to get, though [13:03] Oh! That sort of yarn! [13:03] This is all making sense now. I'd pictured you as some travelling net-maker or something. :) [13:04] hehe, nono [13:05] http://www.ravelry.com/projects/Myrtti/haruni it ended up being very Ubuntuish in colours [13:08] oh wow [13:08] which was fitting because it was for elky [14:07] czajkowski: popey: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2832 Aldershot! [14:09] ooh! [14:12] ~o/ [14:12] oh :) [15:26] saw this and thought of czajkowski http://imgur.com/gallery/Ptnzd [15:35] o.O [15:40] http://store.steampowered.com/about/ is very linuxy now [15:44] Something don't install for me :( [15:44] +s [15:48] heh, nice! [15:48] directhex, see system requirements in bottom right [15:49] heheh [15:49] Oops [15:50] 39 games just isn't enough for linux :( [15:50] Games seem quite expensive once again [15:50] it's still in beta [15:50] I don't mind the cost of a game... if it's good [15:51] popey, the giant "join the steam beta" penguin is on *all* versions of that page, not just linux [15:51] most of the games in my steam thing came from humble bundle [15:51] i.e. the "Not running on Linux yet? Grab Ubuntu 12.04 LTS" download is shown to every single man woman & child trying to download steam on windows right now [15:52] sweet! [15:53] popey: ROFLOL [15:53] Would be nice to add games via the website [15:54] now we need to badger indiecity for their linux client [15:54] oddly they made one for RPi [15:55] popey: you free for a quick call? [15:56] ya [15:56] 5 mins, just packing everyone out [15:57] cool [15:57] invite sent join whenever [16:04] I'm thinking of buying this ikea galant combination desk, thoughts? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2012/December/layout.png :P [16:05] my desk is galant# [16:05] your office is about a million miles square if it has room for that [16:05] maybe someone here could help (if you worked on / know gfx drivers) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13975917/calculate-colour-temperature-in-k [16:06] directhex: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pvltgec8fm4jtpo/2012-12-20%2015.54.15.jpg is the clearance, haha [16:06] The gfx card configs normally show temperature.. its a long shot [16:11] czajkowski, i broke hangouts [17:56] hi there. anyone know which config to check to see if auto-updates has been configured. I've not had to update a system for a long time now, it's getting suspicious ;) [19:15] steam for linux [19:15] firefox for linux [19:16] fire fox is a natural par but steam was relaies today [19:16] open beta, fun [19:17] yeah tyr omgubntu or google buut i just got it [19:17] I've been in the closed beta for a while :P [19:17] you lucky b!"£$%d [19:18] :) [19:18] i want to go closed betea twice but they did not acsept me [19:20] thaey are adding new games and software all the time so soon it will be so good on ubuntu [19:22] welcome back fwerede [19:26] in C, Temperature_to_RGB(*T, testRGB); after that call T would be changed by the Temperature_to_RGB() function right? [19:26] that is by reference or something? [19:29] i think so [20:40] anyone running gnome shell and want to test an extension? [20:41] OK [20:45] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/shopping.zip [20:45] you should be able to download that, and use the gnome-tweak tool to add it [20:48] done, what should it do ? [20:49] you should then be able to hit super (to go to overview mode) and type something like "a hot sauce" or "a green shoes" [20:50] K [20:51] not sure if it will require you to restart gnome-shell or not [20:51] hmm, nothing [20:52] also, should it show in the extensions list [20:52] try alt-f2 r [20:52] cause it ain't there [20:52] https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ not there? [20:58] showing, and active [20:58] but only apps, settings and contacts are showing [20:58] when I search [20:58] lost connection [20:59] did you get that previous [20:59] but only apps, settings and contacts are showing [20:59] ^^ [21:02] ok, thanks ubuntubhoy [21:02] AlanBell: you forgot to say I needed the 'a' [21:02] its working [21:02] yay [21:02] lol [21:03] in the settings you can remove the "a" or change it [21:03] if you remove the "a" prefix then it works like the unity shopping lens and searches for everything you type [21:04] I think I will change it [21:04] don't want it all the time [21:04] shop will probably suffice [21:06] AlanBell: you should allow multiple sources [21:06] rather than just one [21:07] maybe [21:07] I would use it if I could add ebay [21:07] would be quite handy then [21:07] yeah, I would like to do that [21:14] nah, loadsa terms and conditions for using the ebay API from a downloadable application [21:14] http://www.grimrock.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4571 <- can anyone confirm this? [21:15] bummer [21:36] wohoo! it turns out I'm not supposed to eat sprouts because they increase blood clotting. WIN! [21:36] AlanBell: one other slight omission from your extension - the price should really be on the results [21:40] ubuntubhoy: yeah, it should, I think below the image or something [21:40] as long as it stands out [21:40] maybe even just a larger bolder font [22:06] has anyone noticed when you using inotifywait program for notification when the file is created and closed. If the file is big like 4G, and take a while for scp to copy it over to the machine, you still get close_nowrite event, and even you somehow move the file to different folder, the scp continues without issue [22:06] is this the supports to happen? [22:13] yes [22:13] you can move an open file without invalidating the file descriptor on linux [22:13] in fact you can even delete it [22:14] for example, download a large file in firefox and accidentally deleted the file half way through downloading? [22:14] firefox will continue downloading [22:15] you can still access the file in /proc/`pidof firefox`/fd/ [22:15] it will disappear as soon as the file finishes downloading though [22:15] what you need to do is tail -c +0 /proc/`pidof firefox`/fd/ > myfile === daveb is now known as daveb_31