[00:00] <raevol> oh man
[00:00] <raevol> time to learn xen
[00:01] <raevol> this kind of stuff is still black magic to me
[00:03] <pleia2> xen is cool, I mostly use kvm though
[00:04] <raevol> it looks like we'll have to rebuild our server to use it
[00:04] <raevol> this is why i was looking at virtualbox initially
[00:05] <raevol> but vb brings in a bunch of gui dependencies i don't want..
[00:05] <pleia2> it's much easier these days now that xen is mainlined
[00:07] <raevol> yea
[00:07] <raevol> but we'd still have to rebuild our server
[00:07] <raevol> maybe it wouldn't be so bad
[00:22] <raevol> ok we're just going to have fun with apache instead
[00:22] <raevol> but someday we'll xen all of it
[17:37] <Torikun> anyone good with setting up postfix to work with godaddy?
[17:50] <MarkDude> GO Daddy? Maybe find another host?
[17:50]  * MarkDude kids - due to his nature to kid
[17:50] <MarkDude> :)
[18:01] <Torikun> hahaha
[18:01] <Torikun> how you been MarkDude
[18:02] <MarkDude> Ok, busy
[18:02] <MarkDude> Doing a Pi event- you used Puppy Linux?
[18:02] <MarkDude> After Xmas
[18:02] <Torikun> MarkDude: I am running arch on my pi : rusher81572.com
[18:02] <Torikun> I do not like puppy much, not featureful
[18:02] <Torikun> lol
[18:03] <MarkDude> True, altho there are versions that work with both Ubuntu and Slackware repos
[18:03] <MarkDude> Those have a bit of features
[18:03] <Torikun> do you have a pi MarkDude ?
[18:04]  * MarkDude arranged to get a few of them
[18:04] <MarkDude> We will have at least 3 to play with
[18:04] <Torikun> what have you used them for ?
[18:04] <MarkDude> Nothing yet,
[18:05] <Torikun> MY daughter uses it as her room pc
[18:05] <Torikun> and me web/torrent server
[18:05]  * MarkDude wants to try whatever will work the best on it
[18:05] <Torikun> ARch
[18:05] <akk> I'm trying to use mine for robotics/hardware control, but haven't done much with it yet.
[18:05] <MarkDude> As part of the donation of re-used hardware- Pis sound nice
[18:06] <MarkDude> As a basic machine, they would work in remote areas, like OLPC
[18:06] <Torikun> that is about all it is good for
[18:06] <MarkDude> More power tho- still less than a desktop
[18:06] <MarkDude> Well sure
[18:06] <MarkDude> Video and basic comp stuff
[18:07] <MarkDude> What many folks need in other countries- as well as here
[18:08] <MarkDude> other options involve OLPC or using sumthin lite- like Puppy
[18:09] <MarkDude> Puppy runs nicely on older machines. Power costs more money in some places.
[18:09] <Torikun> as a Desktop, the pi sucks
[18:09] <Torikun> someone decent as a media center
[18:09] <Torikun> small server
[18:10] <MarkDude> In truth tho- the OS would sorta depends on folks being able to maintain the machines
[18:10] <akk> Funny, I had the opposite impression -- I got dropouts trying to play videos, but it seemed fine for running a basic window manager.
[18:10] <akk> Not everybody needs a full-blown gnome/unity desktop.
[18:11] <MarkDude> Well, taking some of the machines I have here, and think adding a Pi or two for the folks that help keep the machines running- good incentive
[18:11] <Torikun> YEah
[18:11] <Torikun> Good torrent /webserver
[18:11] <Torikun> my daughter's PI has to use chrome over ssh on it
[18:11] <MarkDude> akk: at OSCON, rumor has it that the Fedora Pi had a few video issues, so 480 was used
[18:12] <MarkDude> Other resolutions would not work
[18:12] <akk> I keep hearing people talk about using them as media centers, so there must be some trick to it.
[18:12] <Torikun> openelec was the best but kinda unstable
[18:12] <akk> I wasn't trying to play high res, but I think it was mpeg4, maybe everything needs to be re-encoded into specific formats first.
[18:14] <akk> Which, if true, seems like it would make it a hassle as a media center PC.
[18:14] <Torikun> Yeah =(
[18:14] <Torikun> Some videos I watched would skip and the audio would not sync
[18:14] <akk> Since you can buy a used laptop on ebay that'll play nearly any format just fine.
[18:14] <Torikun> I wish it was x86 atlease, make it more useful
[18:14] <kdub> do raspberry pis have video decoders? o.O
[18:15] <akk> AAUI, the video chip has some video decoding but you can't use it, because it requires proprietary Broadcom firmware or something.
[18:15] <Torikun> you need a license or something right akk ?
[18:16] <akk> Turning that on would have required the Pi foundation paying Broadcom and therefore making the machines more expensive.
[18:16]  * akk so loves the modern world
[18:16] <MarkDude> That kinda stuff makes me feel like getting all RMS :D
[18:16] <akk> Yeah, exactly.
[18:16] <Torikun> lol
[18:16]  * akk has no love for Broadcom anyway
[18:16] <MarkDude> in the neck I say
[18:16] <MarkDude> Eff 'em in the neck
[18:16] <MarkDude> XD
[18:17] <akk> Broadcom's business model seems to be to ship super crappy hardware that doesn't work without tons of proprietary firmware
[18:17] <MarkDude> True story.
[18:17] <akk> but charge $0.17 less for it than the next company, so everybody buys their stuff anyway.
[18:17] <MarkDude> I figure they will make a fun toy at least
[18:18] <akk> The first thing to do after buying any laptop is "Spend 2 hours figuring out how to open the laptop so you can replace the crappy OEM Broadcom wi-fi card with a decent Intel one."
[18:18] <akk> What a collosal waste of time and energy.
[18:19] <akk> Or, alternately, if you're afraid of tinkering with hardware, "Go to your local Ubuntu hour and get all 8 people there involved with trying to get your crappy Broadcom wi-fi working with Ubuntu."
[18:19] <MarkDude> Zareason had one machine that they had to remove a crappy ethernet plug in card to replace with a not crappy one
[18:20] <akk> I mean really, what percentage of Ubuntu hours end up being 3 hours of trying to get someone's Broadcom working? Around a third of them?
[18:20] <MarkDude> Well, I know it will be even more fun trying to get Fedora working, since it does so well with drivers, and codecs as well
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[18:20]  * kdub has just adapted to never buying certain infamous hardware brands :)
[18:21] <akk> Yeah, it's easier on ubuntu than on other distros -- and that's not saying much.
[18:21] <MarkDude> True kdub - donation tho- create another scenario
[18:21] <akk> kdub: It's true, my Lenovo actually came with a non-Broadcom wi-fi. But it's the only laptop I've seen in years that did.
[18:21] <akk> And some Lenovos of that model did have Broadcom, so there was no way to be sure before buying it.
[18:22]  * MarkDude still loves Puppy, its failsafe tends to work better with old as well as new
[18:22] <akk> Yeah, ubuntu drops support for older hardware sooner than other distros.
[18:23] <Torikun> http://rusher81572.com/
[18:23] <darthrobot> Title: [Rusher's Raspberry PI Server]
[18:23] <Torikun> made some progress
[18:24] <kdub> hardware support is generally getting more open, especially in the arm world i feel
[18:25] <toddcnb> I have two with raspbian loaded and tsted with 1080 but using rca atm
[18:25] <MarkDude> In truth- most folks could get away with Vlc, and chrome
[18:25] <MarkDude> And maybe Abiword
[18:26] <MarkDude> And tell them to cope on the light features for anything else
[18:26] <MarkDude> Here is a free comp, no complaining
[18:26] <MarkDude> Kidding again
[18:26] <MarkDude> :)
[18:28] <philipballew> nice...
[18:29] <MarkDude> Oh wow, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=23272
[18:29] <darthrobot> Title: [Raspberry Pi • View topic - snes9x-1.39-rpi -- full speed SNES emulation with sound]
[18:30] <MarkDude> Using SNES games on the Pi
[18:30] <akk> I don't think of vlc as being that lightweight (though it's good, I use it).
[18:30] <akk> I use mplayer when I want lighter weight.
[18:31] <MarkDude> Yes, Mplayer is default on Puppy, vlc does more tho. I use Mplayer, unless- it says no workie.
[18:31] <Torikun> omxplayer is the only video player for raspberry pi now
[18:32] <kdub> philipballew, you should sign up for some google summer of code! :D
[18:32] <philipballew> They take people who code really badly?
[18:43] <kdub> philipballew, dont know :)
[18:49] <philipballew> there is only one way to find out
[21:08] <Gareth> bkerensa: ping
[21:14] <bkerensa> Gareth: hi
[21:15] <bkerensa> Gareth: I have to run to a job in a few? Wanna e-mail me? bkerensa@ubuntu?
[21:19] <Gareth> bkerensa: just a quick question.  Mozilla logo.  I'm going to use this one, unless there are objections.
[21:19] <Gareth> http://www.w4a.info/2010/images/mozilla-foundation-logo-250x235.png
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