[00:05] <markit> Aknot: gnash is Free software, the work of developers to bring freedom to users trying to decode a convulted, inefficient, obscure format. Adobe Flash is all the contrary, it's goal is to control the user and the web. So now decide who deserves to be insulted
[00:05] <markit> time to sleep, 1 am here and a lot of bug hunting done for LiBo 4.0
[00:05] <markit> good night
[00:11] <adnan> alooooooooooooooooo
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[01:19] <cjae> wow do I love dark workspace application appearances themes, so I have just installed 12.10 on another box and would like to know how I go about getting those themes on my 12.04 box eg. krida-darker
[01:20] <cjae> i tried the get new themes button and typing krida and get nothing
[01:21] <cjae> also I am currently looking on kde look but I am wondering why they do not show up on 12.04 machine
[01:30] <AbortD> do i need to apt-get kwin? i can not figure out how to get into its settings or do I need to attach composite?
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[03:13] <hanasaki> in kde how do you get a search window for the nepomuk indexed file names and contents?
[03:23] <SIR_Taco> hanasaki: http://userbase.kde.org/Nepomuk#Try_out_in_Dolphin
[03:27] <hanasaki> SIR_Taco:  hmmm hung kde for me :(
[03:30] <sithlord48> whats hanging kde for you (late to the party)
[03:30] <hanasaki>  hanasaki: in kde how do you get a search window for the nepomuk indexed file names and contents?
[03:30] <hanasaki> SIR_Taco: hanasaki: http://userbase.kde.org/Nepomuk#Try_out_in_Dolphin
[03:31] <hanasaki> brought up the index in system setttings... and it hung the system settings aplet
[03:31] <sithlord48> you just open dolphin and hit ctrl+F open up search
[03:31] <sithlord48> can you tell me what version of kde your running?
[03:31] <sithlord48> just about any program help-> about kDe
[03:32] <hanasaki> everything is the current release for kubuntu
[03:33] <hanasaki> I thought there was some kde dialog that shows at the top of the screen for the search so dolphin is not required
[03:33] <sithlord48> no it is just a thing dolphin does.
[03:33] <hanasaki> brb.. gotta log out.. this is all locked up
[03:33] <sithlord48> kk
[03:42] <SIR_Taco> thanks sithlord48
[03:42] <SIR_Taco> I'm only half here
[03:42] <sithlord48> your welcome SIR_Taco, but what are you thanking me for?
[03:43] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: you finished where I left off
[03:43] <sithlord48> im also 1/2 here mostly working on gettting a vbox set up w/ a Qt 5 dev enviroment to play on , need to port my code or attempt to at least.
[03:46] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: porting to Qt5 is on my list as well... just guagng which places to introduce it to first.
[03:49] <sithlord48> SIR_Taco:  mines just a simple port , the where to improve with new Qt5 stuff can happen a bit later on for this project.
[03:53] <SIR_Taco> sithlord48: I've just been mulling around the idea of moving the next set of updates to Qt5... but I think I'll just re-visit the code and make it a little more extensible for now
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[03:55] <sithlord48> i plan to say with qt4 untill at very least kde in kubuntu uses is (as i have a ppa i don't want to break)
[04:16] <Colin_> ehhh
[04:16] <Colin_> hi
[04:17] <Colin_> hello....
[04:17] <Colin_> echo echo....
[04:17] <Colin_> Lol
[04:17] <sithlord48> ?
[04:18] <Colin_> idk
[04:18] <Colin_> this a chat room?
[04:18] <Colin_> it was on my comp
[04:18] <Colin_> Lol
[04:18] <sithlord48> it is on your computer.
[04:19] <Colin_> yeah it is on my computer..
[04:19] <Colin_> and I didn't know what it was..
[04:20] <thelionroars> yes it is a chatroom
[04:20] <sithlord48> included IRC client , for chating with but set to the kubuntu help chanel by default so help is easy to get.
[04:20] <Colin_> okay
[04:21] <Colin_> um w^?
[04:27] <cutaway> Somebody please tell me how to switch the default PDF application in 12.10 so that it uses okular instead of krita
[04:28] <cutaway> I've switched it in individual apps, but some don't let you and switch
[04:28] <cutaway> it is rather annoying
[04:32] <Takeshi> prueba
[04:37] <thelionroars> cutaway, go to start menu>system settings>file associations, then go to application>pdf, and move okular to the top of the list
[04:37] <cutaway> it already was
[04:37] <cutaway> krita was on bottom of list
[04:37] <cutaway> i'm removing it now
[04:37] <cutaway> but I don't have much hope
[04:39] <cutaway> just restarted the application that was opening the PDF for me, KiCad
[04:39] <cutaway> it still thinks krita is default
[04:43] <cutaway> oh well, thank you thelionroars
[04:49] <thelionroars> ok, this should work
[04:50] <thelionroars> in your home folder, go to .local/share/applications and open up mimeapps.list in kate (or your text editor)
[04:50] <thelionroars> add this line to the end:
[04:50] <thelionroars> application/pdf=okular.desktop;
[04:50] <thelionroars> hope that helps cutaway
[04:51] <cutaway> trying now
[04:51] <cutaway> :q
[04:52] <thelionroars> didn't work?
[04:52] <cutaway> no, wrong window
[04:53] <cutaway> application/pdf=kde4-okularApplication_pdf.desktop;gimp.desktop;display.im6.desktop;
[04:53] <cutaway> that is the first line in the file
[04:53] <thelionroars> oh, right
[04:54] <cutaway> this is under "Removed Associations"
[04:54] <cutaway> application/pdf=kde4-krita_pdf.desktop;
[04:54] <cutaway> grr
[04:54] <cutaway> :q
[04:54] <cutaway> wrong window
[04:55] <Takeshi> test
[06:31] <voxcroix> hi
[06:32] <voxcroix> hello..
[06:55] <Name141> Is there a reason I'd want lightkdm instead of kdm when installing kubuntu-desktop
[06:55] <Name141> (or what's the difference anyway?)
[06:57] <thelionroars> lightdm is being used from 12.10 onwards
[06:57] <thelionroars> not sure if there are any tangible advantages, they both do the same job
[07:00] <Name141> I'm using the LTS
[07:01] <thelionroars> yes, 12.04
[07:07] <Name141> I should have just downloaded Kubuntu , atleast Kubuntu doesn't make me want to beat the screen with a stick anymore like Unity
[07:08] <Name141> KDE*
[07:09] <thelionroars> I haven't tried Unity out yet
[07:11] <Name141> Hm, how do I fix it so that the display is remembered ?
[07:11] <Name141> (Screen res)
[07:11] <Name141> when I logged out and back in it reverted back to 800x600
[07:12] <Name141> does it have to be changed through CCC admin? (4670 ATi card)
[07:14] <Name141> ah never mind, I found the 'save as default' :p
[07:15] <Name141> is there anyway to get rid of the ubuntu-desktop packages?
[08:17] <Name141-> what in the
[08:17] <Name141-> the Kubuntu ISOs are too big for a 700 MB CD-R
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[08:20] <Name141-> is it possible to get a CD-R sized /
[08:20] <Name141-> ?
[08:22] <persia> Not easily anymore.  Can your machine boot from USB?
[08:22] <Name141-> seems the alternate is under 700
[08:23] <Name141-> not the one I'm installing it to
[08:25] <persia> Well, looks like you'll have to either get some slightly higher-capacity blanks (750 should do), or use the alternate for 12.04.
[08:25] <Name141-> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/kubuntu-12.04.1-alternate-i386.iso is under the limit.
[08:26] <persia> Right.  That's the alternate.  The installer is text-mode, but the results should be nearly identical to installing kubuntu from the other image.
[08:26] <Name141-> yeah, I just wanted to get it over with since I'm replacing XP
[08:26] <Name141-> (and not have thousands of different desktops)
[08:29] <persia> Using the alternate is likely the easiest way.  The next step involves fiddling with very minimal images that just have the installer, which means the download has to happen during the install.
[08:30] <Name141-> yeah, I'm burning the ISO now
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[08:36] <Name141-> persia: little more annoying/Debian style setup it seems :p
[08:44] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[08:44] <ubottu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
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[09:10] <Name141-> eh the keyboard is wrong
[09:10] <Name141-> is that an easy fix?
[09:11] <ct529> hi! After the last kernel update my boot time has increased of approx 10s.
[09:12] <persia> Depends on which keyboard you have.  For many, it's worth interrupting the install (with Back), and manually processing keyboard selection.
[09:12] <ct529> Any changes that could justify it?
[09:12] <persia> ct529: Repeatedly, or just the immediate post-update boot?
[09:12] <ct529> persia: repeatedely, every time I reboot
[09:12] <persia> Sorry then, no idea.
[09:13] <ct529> it has gone from aorund 25s to 35s.
[09:13] <ct529> then kde takes forever, like minutes.
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[12:11] <thelionroars> what's the current keyboard shortcut for restarting X?
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[13:37] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel:  kde 4.10 rc1 ?
[13:38] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: with holidays near we're a bit understaffed and there were more changes than expected - we'll be done soonish
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[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: sorry , I was on the phone. Ya I forgot about the holidays. How long does it take to compile the kde sc in a p4 processor 3.0 ghz?
[13:53] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: I haven't used kdesrc-build in ages so I don't know... a few hours
[13:55] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: If I learn to package, will that be sufficient to join the packaging team or should need a better computer also?
[13:56] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: that's enough, we currently let launchpad do most of the build work anyway, and you can always leave the large packages to someone else
[13:56] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: if you're curious where we're at with the rc, the topic of #kubuntu-devel has info on that
[13:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I have learn to use bazzar now, I have some doubts. I will consult with you later about that. Do you have a changelog  template ?
[13:59] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: dch is used to manage changelog entries and takes care of most of the metadata in there for you
[13:59] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: also see our current packaging: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/
[13:59] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: and join #kubuntu-devel if you plan to do packaging please ;)
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: Joined the channel,  I doubt if I am ready yet, I will try my best. Are you enjoying your holidays and am I ruining it?
[14:03] <yofel> lol no, I want to get the RC as much as you want so I'm working on that anyway :P
[14:04] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: Thank you
[14:05] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: now that you're in -devel, if you have any (kubuntu-related) packaging questions please ask them there - we don't bite ;)
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: nice
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[14:28] <Aknot> How can i make firefox to launch magnet torrents in transmission.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Aknot:  when you click on the torrent and asks to "open with " , navigate to /usr/bin/transmission and choose it there
[15:20] <Aknot> i got it working i had to do about:config and add something there
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[16:32] <Kottizen> Hi, uhm, I'm trying to get activeplasma working. I've installed the package "active-plasma". Unfortunately it doesn't work, I get this: http://pastebin.com/gjfecqbV
[16:32] <Kottizen> When I execute the command "startactive" I get a loading screen that then exists, showing me the original/old desktop.
[16:33] <Kottizen> Any idea what I can do?
[16:37] <AbortD> did you run it as root?
[16:39] <AbortD> Kottizen: ?
[16:43] <Kottizen> AbortD: oh, sorry
[16:43] <Kottizen> AbortD: let me try that
[16:44] <AbortD> k
[16:45] <bjrohan> I am looking for some help in settng up rysnc over my home network using ssh, can anyone here verify my command to make sure it will do what I want?  I have ssh with rsa keys set up already
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[16:52] <AbortD> whats the word Kottizen
[16:54] <Kottizen> AbortD: sorry, it's taking me some time on this nexus 7 :P
[16:55] <Kottizen> AbortD: it doesn't work though, even with root, I'm working on copying over the error
[16:55] <AbortD> oh your not on a pc?
[16:56] <AbortD> Kottizen: is the nexus 7 a tablet?
[16:57] <Kottizen> AbortD: I have a PC from which I chat on here
[16:57] <Kottizen> AbortD: then I got a nexus 7 with Ubuntu on, with the kubuntu-desktop package and the plasma-active package
[16:58] <AbortD> damn nice how well does the touch screen work?
[16:58] <Kottizen> AbortD: I've successfully started the KDE/Kubuntu thing on the nexus, but the ultimate goal is to get plasma-active working
[16:58] <AbortD> i would have honestly  tried a different distro
[16:59] <Kottizen> AbortD: I haven't got a pen now, but even without a pen it's really fast and smooth! a little bit tricky to click on small buttons, but with the onscreen keyboard the overall grade would be 8/10, given the odd environment
[16:59] <AbortD> try fooling with the resolution i bet youll get better results :P
[17:00] <AbortD> im sure there is a way to adjust certain icons
[17:00] <Kottizen> AbortD: ah, good idea, I'll try that :) btw ubuntu/unity on the same tablet is a lot more difficult to use, and it lags more too
[17:00] <Kottizen> yeah there is (in KDE you can change everything *:)*)
[17:00] <AbortD> yea i hear that the "unity" system sucks more ram and cpu
[17:01] <Kottizen> I think so
[17:02] <AbortD> i think someone was saying the went with something like kde/debian on a raspberry pi
[17:02] <AbortD> rasp pi is only 700 mhz 512 ram too
[17:03] <Kottizen> Debian works fine on a pi, but it gets laggy if you open more than two browsers
[17:03] <Kottizen> gnome 2
[17:03] <paster> http://pastebin.com/WVqZtUpA AbortD
[17:03] <Kottizen> AbortD: paster is me, there's the report from startactive as root
[17:04] <Kottizen> uh, seems like it removed the line breaks...
[17:07] <AbortD> ya
[17:07] <AbortD> no problem though
[17:07] <paster> http://pastebin.com/MHkpccCT
[17:07] <paster> there we go!
[17:07] <Kottizen> AbortD: if you find that more readable
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[17:10] <AbortD> do you see your error codes?
[17:11] <AbortD> line 83 check tha xml file to see if it exxists
[17:12] <AbortD> that*
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[17:13] <Kottizen> AbortD: one moment please, the touch became unusable when I changed screen orientation from "Left" to "None"
[17:13] <AbortD> lol yer good
[17:13] <Kottizen> I'll "Reboot computer" ;D
[17:31] <sophos> hi2LL
[17:32] <sophos> ANYBODY HERE&
[17:32] <Peace-> sophos: ?
[17:33] <sophos> hi pleasse tell me how i can add skype to KDE IM?
[17:34] <Peace-> sophos: mmm
[17:34] <Peace-> wait a moment
[17:36] <Xd1358> Hello, I have this weird problem: all sound randomly stopped working after a reboot. It still works just fine on the Windows 7 partition though
[17:36] <Peace-> sophos: http://userbase.kde.org/Telepathy#5._How_do_I_add_a_Skype_Account
[17:37] <Peace-> Xd1358: mmm it could be a driver bug or an application that blocks your audio card
[17:37] <Peace-> Xd1358: 1 lsof | grep pcm   should give you some ideas
[17:38] <Peace-> Xd1358: and you will get the pid of the applications that are using your audio card
[17:38] <Peace-> Xd1358: so getting the pid you can terminate them
[17:38] <Peace-> Xd1358: with :         kill -9  pid
[17:38] <Peace-> pid is a number
[17:39] <Peace-> Xd1358: for example i got from lsof | grep pcm this :    QInotifyF  2763  2765        sem  mem       REG        8,6     17744    309570 /usr/lib/vlc/plugins/codec/liblpcm_plugin.so
[17:39] <Peace-> Xd1358: so i want terminate this application
[17:39] <Xd1358> Yeah, there's a huge bunch of processes here
[17:39] <Xd1358> 15+
[17:39] <Peace-> Xd1358: kill -9 2763
[17:40] <AbortD> Kottizen: whats the word big bird
[17:40] <Peace-> Xd1358: you can try terminating these application then... but ... this could be dangerous .. i mean you could kill some weird process
[17:40] <Peace-> Xd1358: look carefully what you are going to kill
[17:41] <Peace-> Xd1358: if with this method you can't solve your problem i guess you should report a bug
[17:41] <Peace-> Xd1358: another idea before to write a bug report
[17:41] <Peace-> Xd1358: sudo pkill -9 pulseaudio
[17:41] <Xd1358> fwiw, here's a list of them processes
[17:41] <Xd1358> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BuXdhf68
[17:42] <Xd1358> sudo pkill -9 pulseaudio didn't fix it
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[17:43] <Peace-> Xd1358: have you chromium opened ?
[17:43] <Xd1358> Nope, only firefox
[17:43] <Peace-> mmm in that list it seems chromium is actually using your card
[17:43] <Peace-> Xd1358: Chrome_Ch 2060 2061       ecks  mem       REG        8,5     22148  9178927 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[17:44] <Xd1358> so kill that one?
[17:44] <Xd1358> let me try
[17:44] <Peace-> kill it
[17:44] <Peace-> try even this                           sudo alsa force-reload
[17:45] <Xd1358> still nothing :/
[17:47] <Peace-> Xd1358: mmm for me is a bug
[17:47] <Peace-> Xd1358: you could try to remove pulseaudio too
[17:48] <Peace-> Xd1358: are you there ?
[17:48] <Kottizen> AbortD: the parent directory (keyboard) exists but is empty
[17:48] <Xd1358> yes; remove pulseaudio altogether?
[17:48] <Peace-> Xd1358: you can try this :  sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio-utils pulseaudio         # then reboot
[17:48] <AbortD> Kottizen: thats your problem then you're missing that xml
[17:48] <Peace-> Xd1358: but i would report a bug for this stuff
[17:48] <AbortD> maybe try a reinstall?
[17:49] <Peace-> Xd1358: i mean it should work and stop
[17:49] <Kottizen> AbortD: what should I reinstall?
[17:50] <AbortD> sec
[17:50] <Peace-> Xd1358: if you want report a bug just type this in your terminal :          ubuntu-bug
[17:50] <Kottizen> AbortD: it exists on my desktop computer running Kubuntu 12.10
[17:50] <Kottizen> AbortD: with the contents of http://paste.ubuntu.com/1455238
[17:50] <AbortD> you could try simply replacing it Kottizen
[17:50] <Xd1358> Peace-, alright, thanks, I will try removing pulseaudio
[17:51] <Peace-> Xd1358: good luck man
[17:51] <Kottizen> AbortD: I'll do that, this will be interesting!
[17:51] <AbortD> Kottizen: sure will :P
[17:51]  * Peace- exiting bye bye
[17:53] <Kottizen> AbortD: oh maybe it's because I've never logged on as root before, via kdm
[17:53] <Kottizen> AbortD: let me try that before creating the file
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[18:03] <AbortD> lol k
[18:03] <AbortD> \delivery guy here brb Kottizen
[18:13] <Kottizen> oh fml... now I've got kdm up and running, but there's no virtual keyboard available there x.x
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[18:19] <Kottizen> dead end, gonna flash it again
[18:22] <AbortD> Kottizen: you still there?
[18:27] <Kottizen> AbortD: yep
[18:27] <Kottizen> AbortD: now fastboot can't find the device x.x
[18:27] <AbortD> hm
[18:27] <AbortD> thats odd
[18:27] <AbortD> sec
[18:29] <AbortD> isnt fastboot for android?
[18:30] <Kottizen> AbortD: oh maybe that's why it doesn't recognize it
[18:30] <AbortD> what are you using fastboot for?
[18:31] <Kottizen> AbortD: I'm not sure :P I'll try just to start with ubuntu-nexus7-installer
[18:31] <AbortD> are you dual booting android and ubuntu?
[18:32] <Kottizen> AbortD: no, I think I removed Android
[18:33] <AbortD> how did you pull that one off?
[18:33] <Kottizen> AbortD: (it doesn't matter really - right now I only want to reinstall Ubuntu so that I get lightdm back)
[18:33] <Kottizen> via fastboot I think
[18:33] <Kottizen> AbortD: I followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
[18:35] <AbortD> now you have me confused i thought you were in ubuntu the whole time
[18:36] <Kottizen> AbortD: I need Ubuntu on my laptop to install Ubuntu on the Nexus 7
[18:36] <Kottizen> AbortD: so I started it off a live USB stick
[18:37] <Kottizen> AbortD: ok, now it's running the installation script/application (ubuntu-nexus7-installer) that'll download the necessary files and flash (or whatever it's called) the Nexus 7 with Ubuntu
[18:37] <AbortD> Kottizen: i just hope I have been helping haha
[18:38] <Kottizen> AbortD: oh yes you have - thank you :)
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[18:42] <AbortD> Kottizen: ill be back in a few its shower time
[18:43] <Kottizen> okay cya
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[18:57] <mr-rich> HOLY CO
[18:57] <mr-rich> HOLY COW! ... kubuntu 12.04 doesn't have ddate!
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[19:07] <AbortD> how do i change the colors of my task manager bar?
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[19:20] <AbortD> Kottizen: everything going ok?
[19:21] <Kottizen> AbortD: yeah, it's still flashing
[19:23] <AbortD> damn you know how to change the colors of the task manager panel?
[19:25] <Kottizen> AbortD: not without changing theme
[19:25] <Kottizen> AbortD: or do you mean the text colours?
[19:25] <AbortD> Kottizen: there is a nice virtual keyboard in kde
[19:25] <AbortD> text colors
[19:27] <Kottizen> AbortD: hmm, I know I've done it before but I can't find how
[19:27] <Kottizen> AbortD: yeah I used that virtual keyboard, but it doesn't come up when I start kdm
[19:27] <AbortD> Same :P
[19:28] <AbortD> hm im sure you could make a script that makes it open when your in a active text field
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[20:57] <mime_1111> hello ppl, i have a built in speakers that change volums correctly with my volue wheel, the problem is that even lowering all, the mini woofer stays loud, without effect, is any way to merge both channels in a way that both can be lowered? thank u all
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[21:10] <brun0> hi all.. anybody can tell me how can i change the cursor pointer in Kubuntu ?
[21:10] <brun0> i already had look at System Settings
[21:11] <brun0> but i could not identify where can i do it
[21:11] <yofel> brun0: system settings -> workspace appearance
[21:12] <brun0> yofel, ooh great, tks a lot
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[23:34] <kaddi> hi guys :) I was wondering if there is a way to know what packages you no longer use or stuff I can safely uninstall witohut missing it
[23:47] <OerHeks> kaddi sudo apt-get autoremove >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28132/removal-of-unused-dependencies-using-autoremove
[23:48] <kaddi> yeah, i've already doen that. but that only removest the packages that have no dependencies. I'm really more looking for something that'll tell me "you installed this in 2008 and didn't use it since. remove it"
[23:49] <kaddi> i want to upgrade to 12.10, but i only have 2GB of space left, so I need to make a bit of room so it can download the packages
[23:53] <OerHeks> i do not know a way to tell the usage of programs on commandline, installation date can be retrieved tru muon history