[00:00] <kaddi> ok
[00:00] <kaddi> thanks :)
[01:27] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[04:44] <lulzwerth> hello
[04:45] <lulzwerth> hello
[04:45] <lulzwerth> KUBUNTU FTW
[04:46] <lulzwerth> TALK TO ME FAGGOTS
[04:46] <lulzwerth> SAY SOMETHING FAGGOTS
[04:46] <FloodBotK1> lulzwerth: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:56] <testerest> hello all
[05:48] <xodiak> hello
[05:48] <xodiak> a possible Mint14 to Kubuntu 12.10 convert here.
[05:55] <xodiak> alright then. Such a lively group of folks.. :)
[08:37] <orange_> hello , what is this?
[08:37] <orange_> hello?
[11:28] <john> I'm currently using 12.04 and have been holding off upgrading to 12.10 due to the note in the release notes warning that there are issues with ATI Rage Pro chip-sets. How would I find out if that has been fixed? Does it even affect upgraders as opposed to fresh installs?
[12:24] <foormea> hi. any specific chan for ubuntu on nexus7?
[12:26] <Tm_T> foormea: not that I know, I think #ubuntu-arm is the closest one
[12:32] <foormea> Tm_T: thanks
[12:36] <mr0wl> is there an offical go-mtpfs repostiory?
[13:05] <Tm_T> mr0wl: I believe no
[13:48] <pigload> hi..
[15:12] <mr-rich> Can I use a package from 12.10 in 12.04?
[15:22] <tsimpson> mr-rich: probably not, no
[15:23] <vibhav> Riddell: there?
[15:58] <markit> shadeslayer: hi!
[15:58] <markit> shadeslayer: I've some news about KDE and ltsp, good news
[15:59] <markit> but also a question... you told me to put environment setups for change KDE variables under /usr/env/, that is a dir I have not
[16:00] <markit> the only place I've found where export a changed KDEVARTMP is in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[16:00] <markit> also would love to know where KDEVARTMP is definet in the first place
[17:40] <Scunizi> Good morning all.. I just loaded gparted on the latest LTS version and it tries to load then nothing... task bar shortcut appears then after several seconds disappears.
[17:40] <Scunizi> How do I fix that.. I feel more comfortable with gparted than the kde version.
[17:57] <shadeslayer> markit: line 231 of startkde
[18:19] <markit> shadeslayer: with nfs and async, I've reduced the I/O from 600MB to 140 first login, and 96 sequent
[18:20] <markit> shadeslayer: if you use sshfs (that is the default) you get 783MB at the first login, and 767 on sequent
[18:20] <shadeslayer> cool!
[18:20] <markit> shadeslayer: not that much, is nfs4 async that alleviates a BIG problem
[18:20] <markit> and async is much less "secure" in terms of data loss than sync
[18:21] <markit> shadeslayer: also gnome in the same situaiton has 30MB of I/O
[18:21] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:21] <markit> shadeslayer: just imagin 24 clients "eating" 700MB each at login in the school...
[18:22] <markit> it can take half an hour to finish login if not more
[18:22] <markit> btw, I tried to mount /home and /var/tmp, but I've been warned that there could be an app that does not write in /var/tmp/kdecache-username and if run from multiple PC create big problems
[18:22] <shadeslayer> understandable
[18:23] <markit> i.e. if writes in /var/tmp/programname
[18:23] <markit> so I use KDEVARTMP to redirect in ~/.cache
[18:23] <markit> where do you think is the better, more clean place for that setting?
[18:24] <markit> also how make kde devs interested infixing this issue? ;P
[18:26] <shadeslayer> I would recommend making another dir in ~ called .kdetmp and export the var to that dir
[18:27] <shadeslayer> as for getting people interested the ML is the best way
[18:27] <shadeslayer> outline your issues and ask how we can improve them
[18:29] <shadeslayer> markit: how do you set kdevartmp right now ?
[18:31] <markit> shadeslayer: I've created a script under /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10ltspMM_rm_phonondevicesrc
[18:31] <markit> that does:
[18:31] <markit> rm "$(eval echo $HOME)/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc"
[18:32] <shadeslayer> why? 0.o
[18:32] <markit> since the user can login from different PC, and the kde message telling that audio hw has changed is really a pain
[18:32] <markit> expecially for children
[18:32] <markit> then I do
[18:32] <markit> KDEVARTMP=$(eval echo $HOME)/.cache
[18:32] <markit> export KDEVARTMP
[18:32] <markit> well, without eval (that's the old version)
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ phonon issues with LTSP
[18:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can we override it using config files?
[18:33] <shadeslayer> markit: apachelogger is our multimedia overlord :)
[18:34] <markit> brw, I need easy to implement global configs like those you can put in /etc/kde, not some fancy js script (well, maybe one day I will learn js and master kde config scripts... why js and not python? ;P))
[18:34] <markit> shadeslayer: oh, thanks for pointing the problems to people that can help/solve
[18:35] <markit> I would love to help a kde del setup a ltsp server in fat config, maybe in a KVM vm
[18:36] <shadeslayer> markit: for settings I recommend looking at kubuntu-desktop-settings
[18:36] <markit> maybe the high I/O could be mitigated a lot on KDE side, just is unoticed on superfast PC
[18:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there is a bug report for that
[18:36] <shadeslayer> oic
[18:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and for which app can you override it using config files?!
[18:37] <shadeslayer> huh?
[18:37] <markit> shadeslayer: also I've users, in Thin config, that logout but neverless some akonadi process is still active, I'm not 100% sure, you could test on your own workstation adding an user loggin in, loggin out and reloggin on your use, then # ps axu | grep otheruser
[18:37] <apachelogger> ah
[18:37] <apachelogger> well
[18:37] <apachelogger> it is a kde config
[18:37] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:37] <FloodBotK1> apachelogger: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:37] <apachelogger> I did not write that piece of software
[18:38] <apachelogger> nor will I ever look at it TBH
[18:38] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:39] <markit> btw, any hope to have 4.10 on 12.04? there is also a big problem if 16bpp color is used
[18:39] <shadeslayer> hm
[18:39] <markit> without composition, oxygen and a LOT of other themes are broken
[18:40] <markit> KDE people says "they are not designed for 16bpp", my ltsp guru says that with 16BPP you have no problems except if your color palette are broken
[18:40] <markit> and, "of course", Gnome works well with 16bbp...
[18:41] <markit> btw, ltsp people have nothing agains kde, just they started with gnome and, when tried kde, had to give up... if gnome will not fit, they will use xfce or better ldxe
[18:41] <markit> is just me that insist in making it work ;P
[18:41] <markit> so if there is something easy they can do to help kde, they happily will
[18:41] <markit> but are not able to troubleshoot kde
[18:42] <markit> they have scarse resources and more urgent bugs/features
[18:42]  * markit a voice in the desert ;P
[18:42] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:44] <shadeslayer> markit: I could try and backport it, or if there's a patch that you can find I can try and get it patched for 4.9.4
[18:44] <shadeslayer> the latter would be preferable
[18:45] <markit> shadeslayer: I'm not sure it fixes, seems to me to recall something about a fix in that area, don't remember if of QT or KDE itself
[18:45] <markit> shadeslayer: in a desktop, how can you set to 16bpp? there is not such a config in the systemsettings AFAIR
[18:45] <markit> I do setting ltsp config for that
[18:45] <shadeslayer> idk myself :P
[18:46] <markit> could you try instead of crate a new user on your desktop, login, logout and see if there are processes that "survive" the logout? That's a problem also if you have a ltsp server that is always on and serves hundred of usrs
[18:47] <markit> brb, will read the log, food time :)
[18:48] <shadeslayer> I'll try, can I get back to you on Monday? :)
[20:40] <markit> shadeslayer: sure, I will do further investigation also
[21:37] <SJr> Hi I'm having problems with Kubuntu 12.10, my left click functionality seems very broken. I can left click some things but not other things, I can't for instance move windows around. It's like when I left click, it clicks starts left clicking like crazy sometimes, and other times does nothing.
[21:38] <SJr> I'm a moron it's the mouse :(