[00:31] <phillw> Hi good people, any news on bug 964705 for ubuntu? Others seem to be taking it more seriously?
[00:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 964705 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/964705
[00:32] <phillw> it should be a really easy 'cherry pick'?
[00:33] <ScottK> phillw: It's really not an #ubuntu-release question.  I'd talk to cyphermox.
[00:33] <phillw> ScottK: I know, but I start here and then you good people tell me where to go (politely :) )
[00:36] <ScottK> phillw: That's not what this channel is for.
[00:39] <phillw> ScottK: please let me know which channel is? As I chase bugs up, I bounced around... that is not a problem for me. i learn more each time I chase stuff :) So, in this case... which channel should I ask on about debian having a fix that I want into ubuntu?
[00:40] <ScottK> #ubuntu-devel would be better.
[00:42] <phillw> thanks :) ... I enter that room rarely, but I will ask them.
[01:47] <phillw> ScottK: oh S#1T, it's looking like polkit :(
[02:37] <mdeslaur> phillw: I'm not quite sure what the issue is....by default network manager wants to create system-wide network connections, so you need to be an admin, else you need to uncheck the box.
[02:37] <mdeslaur> phillw: doesn't seem like a bug to me.
[02:39] <phillw> mdeslaur: Nor am I, my query to #ubuntu-devel is why has it been  rated and fixed by others?
[02:39] <mdeslaur> phillw: rated and fixed?
[02:40] <mdeslaur> phillw: I'm not quite sure what that means
[02:41] <phillw> mdeslaur: openSUSE rated it critical.. Fix released.
[02:41] <phillw> Debian .. Fix released.
[02:42] <mdeslaur> phillw: yeah, debian fixed it so it works just like Ubuntu
[02:42] <mdeslaur> Install a PolicyKit pkla file which allows members of group netdev or sudo
[02:42] <mdeslaur>      to create system-wide network connections without being prompted for the
[02:42] <mdeslaur>      admin password.
[02:42] <mdeslaur> phillw: that's exactly how ubuntu behaves
[02:43] <phillw> mdeslaur: I'm not here for a fight of which is the better way to do things? All I want is no bugs reported :D
[02:44] <mdeslaur> phillw: well, that won't really happen. The ubuntu bug is about people wanting regular non-admin users to be able to create system-wide network connections without being in the admin group. That's not going to happen.
[02:45] <phillw> bug 1008344
[02:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1008344 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "checks "admin" group membership instead of querying polkit" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008344
[02:45] <phillw> does it?
[02:46] <mdeslaur> phillw: that's a completely different issue
[02:47] <mdeslaur> and yes, bug 1008344 does seem valid
[02:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1008344 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "checks "admin" group membership instead of querying polkit" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008344
[02:48] <phillw> is it? so some one cannot connect via network is invalid, but attempting to change language is?
[02:50] <mdeslaur> phillw: two completely different bugs. The first some is that people don't want to be an admin to modify system network connections. That's a security issue, and the current behaviour is the correct behaviour. The second bug is that language-selector is checking groups itself, instead of relying on the groups configured in policykit
[02:50] <mdeslaur> phillw: the second bug is a valid issue, the first is not.
[02:50] <phillw> mdeslaur: please do note, I'm just being devils advocate and not "having a go" at you. I have been told that I can be 'head strong'.
[02:50] <mdeslaur> phillw: the two are _completely_ different issues and are unrelated.
[02:51] <phillw> mdeslaur: okies, so why has debian issued a fix and ubuntu not?
[02:51] <mdeslaur> phillw: don't worry, I have a nice hard shell :)
[02:51]  * phillw just popping out for nicotine :)
[02:51] <mdeslaur> phillw: the debian bug that is linked is that their network manager was failing _completely_, so they fixed it by making it equivalent to the current ubuntu behaviour
[02:52] <mdeslaur> phillw: it's not the same bug at all
[02:52] <mdeslaur> phillw: but someone decided to link them, even though they are unrelated
[02:56] <phillw> mdeslaur: in that case, would you be so kind as to split it up?
[02:57] <phillw> I can only go off bug updates that I see. You people know much more about the 'innards' than me.
[03:16] <phillw> mdeslaur: I've taken the time to actually read through bug 964705 and I'm now more confused than I was before...
[03:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 964705 in NetworkManager "System policy prevents modification of network settings for all users" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/964705
[03:21] <phillw> mdeslaur: when people 'decide' stuff, may be they should take into account people like jpujades ?
[03:52] <mdeslaur> phillw: he should read the policykit documentation to create his local modifications in the right place so they don't get overwritten
[03:54] <phillw> mdeslaur: with the greatest regard for you, and others who support versions of ed-ubuntu in its various forms... Maybe some one could actually reach out to him?
[03:54] <mdeslaur> phillw: it's a bug tracker, not a support desk. Feel free to write him if you'd like.
[03:58] <phillw> mdeslaur: well, that comes as spectacular fail? Is / Are there any 'support desk' people for Edu-buntu ? No, there are not. When people go the mile to install ubuntu as the system at a place of education, they are going out on a limb. I'm a bit down with your answer to that problem. :(
[03:59] <ScottK> phillw: Please take it elsewhere.  This isn't a channel for arguing about bugs.
[04:01] <phillw> mdeslaur: if you wish to move from -devel and here as we get told off, please /j ##phillw my apoligies to ScottK
[18:22] <infinity> Riddell: Someone seems to have missed uploading kdegames_4:4.9.95, and all the new games packages depend on it.