[00:02] <solarcloud_3scrn> daftykins, dwatkins , Not sure if this is any easier .. but the Maximise option is missing (where the cursor is)  .. /Any/ bugs.yubuntu.com loggers outta there ???
[00:05] <Azelphur> Trying to install Ubuntu, just hangs here forever https://www.dropbox.com/s/1fgfc3fost5je7l/2012-12-22%2000.03.44.jpg?m any ideas?
[00:10] <solarcloud_3scrn> daftykins, dwatkins, Azelphur , Oh forgot the Web-Link (soz) ... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Ubuntu%20Beneath%20a%20Steele%20Sky%20Screenshot%20Dec%202012.pdf
[00:12] <daftykins> like i said, low-res games are low-res
[00:17] <solarcloud_3scrn> daftykins, I do want to maximise it . and bring it up to Ten Inches to fit my screen .. I was looking for a way to find the game in the ubuntu bug logs .. can someone search it for me and post a Web-Link Plz . ?
[00:19] <daftykins> do you not get what i'm saying?
[00:20] <solarcloud_3scrn> I do understand exactly what your saying [ Computer says /No/] but I just lost mt bookmarks in bugzilla so I don't know where the bugslist for Ubuntu is based ?
[00:23] <daftykins> no it's more that the game is a very low-res one, so scaling would look nasty
[00:24] <Azelphur> it seemed to be caused by me not having a mouse  plugged in
[00:24] <Azelphur> that's an odd issue xD
[00:24] <daftykins> Azelphur: ah didn't even see your message :o
[00:24] <daftykins> lolz hardware failure
[00:24] <Azelphur> no hardware failure XD
[00:24] <daftykins> surely you're not upgrading your multi-screened beast? :>
[00:26] <Azelphur> nah, I bought a TV :D
[00:26] <daftykins> D:
[00:26] <daftykins> ah that cheap one showed up?
[00:26] <daftykins> tut tut, opening it before Christmas
[00:26] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:26] <solarcloud_3scrn> AAAAAhh , https://bugs.launchpad.net got it !
[00:27] <solarcloud_3scrn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=Beneath+A+Steel+Sky&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target=
[00:31] <Azelphur> daftykins: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kmyiqi66wgcbswf/2012-12-22%2000.26.26.jpg?m
[00:31] <Azelphur> :D
[00:32] <daftykins> hahaha
[00:32] <daftykins> loving your cabinet ;)
[00:32] <daftykins> wow that's one relic mouse you've cracked out :>
[00:32] <Azelphur> daftykins: what cabinet? ;)
[00:33] <daftykins> my point exactly 8D
[00:33] <Azelphur> yea, I can't find my USB mouse, it's around someplace
[00:33] <Azelphur> haha
[00:33] <Azelphur> yea, need to get a cabinet, things on the todo list
[00:33] <daftykins> i might get a custom job
[00:33] <daftykins> keep those satellites separated enough
[00:34] <ali1234> azelphur that is a known bug
[00:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: fun, is it actually caused by the lack of a mouse?
[00:35] <ali1234> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#label/Ubuntu/13b2372f613d9057
[00:35] <ali1234> oops
[00:35] <Azelphur> lol
[00:35] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1081632
[00:35] <ali1234> no, it's caused by having an linux distro already installed
[00:35] <Azelphur> ah
[00:35] <Azelphur> yea, I had an old Ubuntu installed
[00:35] <ali1234> i'm not sure exactly which other distros can cause it
[00:37] <daftykins> 0o
[00:37] <daftykins> that's a bit of a showstopper
[00:37] <ali1234> yeh really
[00:37] <Azelphur> http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/black-glass-tv-stand/1003567939 might get this cabinet, looks quite nice
[00:38] <ali1234> no furniture. just a 55" TV and computer.
[00:38] <Azelphur> ali1234: welcome to my priorities
[00:38] <Azelphur> ali1234: never mind that, I had my computer up and internet connected waaaaaaaaay before I had essentials like...a fridge, or a microwave
[00:38] <daftykins> trust me when i say, glass ones are nasty 'cause they just become dust storage
[00:41] <solarcloud_3scrn> Azelphur, Why didn't you go for the CONSERVE  ?? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Belkin-8-Gang-CONSERVE-Surge-Protector-Mains-Extension-/200827345832?pt=UK_DIY_Material_Electrical_Fittings_MJ&hash=item2ec23e1ba8
[00:41] <daftykins> those things are far too mickey mouse
[00:42] <Azelphur> solarcloud_3scrn: didn't know it existed, energy isn't going to be saved by turning off an LED in a PC.
[00:42] <daftykins> ah no misread it
[00:42] <Azelphur> PC's are generally very low power when turned off
[00:42] <solarcloud_3scrn> there is a wireless turnoff switch one ..
[00:42] <daftykins> Azelphur: heh i'd only get the other stuff done *without* net and PC hooked up :>
[00:43] <shauno> heh, this is where I'm stuck atm.  Signed for a new apartment yesterday.  can't move in for weeks because I can't get a cable guy out there until after the holidays
[00:44] <Azelphur> shauno: openreach delays? join the club
[00:44] <daftykins> shauno: doh!
[00:44] <shauno> not openreach, I'm not in the UK.  just very bad timing (and notjust for ntl, I work most the holidays)
[00:45] <Azelphur> ah
[00:45] <Azelphur> yea I'm stuck till feb
[00:45] <shauno> oh wow.  I hope they're nowhere near that bad
[00:45] <daftykins> stuck?
[00:45] <Azelphur> daftykins: no net for me till feb
[00:46] <daftykins> ooh-err
[00:46] <shauno> if nothing else, I couldn't afford to pay rent on two apartments for the next 2 months :/
[00:46] <daftykins> are you going through your phone atm then?
[00:46] <solarcloud_3scrn> ah there it is .. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-Energy-Saving-8-Outlet-Protector/dp/B002DJJUSE/ref=pd_sim_computers_1
[00:47] <ali1234> smellkin
[00:48] <shauno> I don't use surge protectors.  they seem a bit silly when I can get UPSes free
[00:48] <Azelphur> also the belkin protectors I got were like £5, I got them on special offer :p
[00:48] <ali1234> that has a remote control off switch
[00:48] <ali1234> but, it probably uses just as much to power that
[00:49] <Azelphur> that would actually be useful for my monitors
[00:49] <Azelphur> so I could just press one button to turn em all off
[00:49] <daftykins> an electrician told me surge protectors are a load of rubbish once 0o
[00:49] <ali1234> yeah they are
[00:49] <ali1234> they won't protect against lightning which is the biggest problem
[00:49] <Azelphur> I like the belkin ones because they have that huge guarentee on them, and belkin are apparently quite good about claims
[00:50] <Azelphur> ali1234: they do in that belkin will replace your equipment if it makes it through the protector
[00:50] <ali1234> you have to keep proof of purchase though
[00:50] <Azelphur> yea, I buy all my stuff online
[00:50] <daftykins> neither did a UPS at a clients, i think it travelled over the network
[00:50] <Azelphur> so all my expensive stuff, I have proof of purchase since forever
[00:50] <ali1234> yeah telephone sockets too
[00:50] <daftykins> i know they have the ports to put the network through, but most don't do gigabit i think
[00:50] <ali1234> some of them have phone + network protection though
[00:50] <Azelphur> yea, my belkin ones have network protection on them too
[00:50] <ali1234> not that it will actually help
[00:51] <daftykins> his secretary was lucky to have a wireless phone, she saw a flash out of the corner of her eye
[00:51] <daftykins> as it murdered the base station
[00:51] <ali1234> heh
[00:51] <daftykins> USB never worked again on his desktop
[00:51] <ali1234> i didn't see a flash when my modem exploded
[00:51] <Azelphur> ali1234: It'd probably help against minor surges, not against a strike
[00:51] <ali1234> it only takes a small current to kill the electronics. not enough to hurt a person
[00:51] <Azelphur> but, as I say, the guarentee is what I get them for
[00:51] <daftykins> i had to put his old laptop in, RDP'ing over LAN to his desktop just to get a mouse and keyboard into the thing
[00:52]  * solarcloud_3scrn bangs his head on his french desk.
[00:52] <daftykins> the plan's to get a lightning rod on the place now :D
[00:53] <ali1234> hah... bit late now
[00:53] <daftykins> not if it happens again XD
[00:53] <daftykins> had to get a PCI USB controller for that desktop, though it lives in the basement now as we upgraded a bit ago
[00:56] <ali1234> hmm i can't submit a review on software centre
[00:58] <daftykins> think i trust Belkin with network cables, not much else :>
[00:58] <shauno> nah, they make some nifty usb hubs too
[00:58] <ali1234> i would not buy a belkin network cable. they are like £15
[00:59] <daftykins> haha
[00:59] <daftykins> oh ignoring price naturally
[00:59] <shauno> I love these things - http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-In-Desk-USB-3-Inch-F5U402-03IN-KIT/dp/B000PDUJNU   (there's another variant that has more sockets, but isn't flush)
[00:59] <daftykins> i've got a couple of their fancy audio cables i think actually, optical and coaxial
[01:00] <ali1234> speaking of hubs
[01:00] <daftykins> heh
[01:00] <ali1234> ever seen a hub that is flush to the side of the laptop?
[01:00] <ali1234> with no cable
[01:01] <daftykins> if you want a hub, you're doing it wrong, when it comes to USB imo
[01:01] <ali1234> ultrabooks only have two usb ports
[01:01] <ali1234> most of them anyway
[01:02] <ali1234> i need three: 1 for wireless mouse, 1 for memory stick and one for usb software protection dongle
[01:03] <ali1234> i could not find one with 3 usb ports and windows 7
[01:05] <shauno> I just find the desk hubs handy so I don't have to get on me behind to stick a usb key in my desktop
[01:06] <shauno> yes they give rank throughput, no I rarely care about that with a usb stick
[01:11] <daftykins> software protection?
[01:12] <daftykins> shauno: you got an ancient desktop with no front USB?
[01:19] <shauno> at work, sure.  I've still got IE6, let alone usb
[01:20] <daftykins> nasty
[01:20] <shauno> indeed
[01:22] <shauno> they gave me a laptop to replace it a few years ago, but they never took the tower away.  so I kept both
[01:29] <daftykins> erk lappy on a desk in a biz? controversial
[01:30] <ali1234> why?
[01:31] <daftykins> tedious to service
[01:31] <ali1234> software protection for the expensive software needed to run an expensive sewing machine
[01:31] <daftykins> 0o
[01:31] <ali1234> and the memory stick is needed to transfer the designs
[01:31] <daftykins> sounds fun :>
[01:31] <ali1234> the "dongle" is actually a card reader writer
[01:31] <ali1234> but it sucks. 1 design per card
[01:32] <ali1234> and the cards and nonstandard and cost £40 for a 8 megabyte card
[01:32] <ali1234> so you can use usb flash drives but you still need the dumb dongle plugged in
[01:32] <daftykins> >_<
[01:32] <daftykins> what is that software?
[01:32] <ali1234> brother PE design
[01:33] <solarcloud_3scrn> I thnkin' Avast 4 Linux
[01:33] <solarcloud_3scrn> **for
[01:33] <ali1234> i've successfully reverse engineered the protection used by the dongle
[01:33] <ali1234> it is a total joke
[01:34] <daftykins> :D
[01:34] <ali1234> the software sends 4 bytes and the dongle adds a constant to each byte and then returns the result
[01:34] <daftykins> that's pretty amusing
[01:34] <ali1234> i can now clone the function using windows device simulation framework
[01:35] <daftykins> hehehe
[01:35] <ali1234> this is why i was asking about circumvention and the law the other day
[01:35] <daftykins> i'd turn my nose up at a company that wanted me to use some daft item to run their software
[01:35] <ali1234> well you can't use the sewing machine without the software
[01:35] <daftykins> oh indeed
[01:35] <ali1234> well you can, but only for stitching in a straight line
[01:36] <daftykins> but you can tell the company how disappointed you are :D
[01:36] <ali1234> i suggested that
[01:46] <ali1234> ah, review went through :)
[01:50] <Azelphur> got a remote control with my HTPC, it seems to partially work ootb, some keys work, but some keys don't, ideas?
[01:52] <daftykins> use irw to diagnose the inputs
[01:52] <daftykins> i'm used to juggling with XBMC's config, not sure what you're running it with though
[01:53] <Azelphur> daftykins: I don't even have lirc installed though
[01:53] <Azelphur> so something else must be handling it
[01:53] <daftykins> i was almost about to ask if you had lircd on 0o
[01:53] <daftykins> how curious
[01:54] <ali1234> i bet all the key "work"
[01:54] <ali1234> but whatever software you use does not understand them
[01:54] <ali1234> what buttons don't work?
[01:54] <ali1234> i bet if you look in linux/input.h it's all the ones that have multibyte codes
[01:55] <Azelphur> stuff like the red, green, yellow, blue buttons
[01:55] <ali1234> bingo
[01:55] <Azelphur> so what do I do?
[01:56] <ali1234> the standard fix for this is to use lirc to read raw from the device and then convert the unknown keys into ascii keys
[01:56] <ali1234> this method totally sucks
[01:56] <ali1234> it requires yet another tcp/ip daemon
[01:56] <Azelphur> ah
[01:56] <ali1234> the alternative involves screaming at xorg/qt/gtk developers until they support this stuff properly
[01:57] <Azelphur> hehe
[01:57] <ali1234> anyway, it's a known problem
[01:57] <ali1234> and likely require a workaround specific to the software you;re trying to use
[01:57] <Azelphur> at least there's a solution, installing lirc now
[01:57] <daftykins> sigh troll in main chan
[08:53] <jacobw> morning
[09:14] <sprmtt> frustrating times this morning
[09:14] <sprmtt> fsck can't finish because it runs out of ram
[09:15] <sprmtt> had to resort to this: http://serverfault.com/questions/9218/running-out-of-memory-running-fsck-on-large-filesystems
[09:15] <jacobw> wow
[09:15] <jacobw> how large is your filesystem?
[09:16] <sprmtt> 5TB
[09:16] <sprmtt> LVM
[09:19] <jacobw> interesting problem
[09:20] <sprmtt> yup!
[09:20] <sprmtt> if it dies, I've lost a lot of files, such as tv programes and videos, but it's not the end of the world because I have backups of my music and photos
[10:16] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:28] <popey> Morning all!
[10:29] <brobostigon> morning mr popey
[10:43] <sprmtt> morning
[10:45] <oimon> morning
[10:46] <oimon> expect it will be quiet round here this week :P
[10:46]  * oimon is looking to buy a cheap wii fit 2nd hand..left it a bit late
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> you don't want a Wii
[10:46] <brobostigon> morning oimon and sprmtt
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> really ;)
[10:46] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:48] <oimon> MartijnVdS: already have the wii
[10:48] <oimon> but my son loves the wii fit games
[10:48] <oimon> but it's a rip off and i expect a lot of families have them that they haven't used
[10:49] <oimon> all the gumtree sellers are in s. london or deepest essex
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> oimon: ebay?
[10:52] <oimon> looking for collection locally, will try ebay local search too
[10:52] <popey> i see one in manchester
[10:53] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nintendo-Wii-White-Console-wii-fit-and-wii-resort-/170960031904?pt=UK_VideoGames_VideoGameConsoles_VideoGameConsoles&hash=item27ce0310a0
[10:53] <popey> cheapo
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> only 18.14kg!
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> daubers: why do I have you on G+ twice?
[10:54] <popey> he migrated from one account to another
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: but he's online on both
[10:54] <popey> so am i sometimes
[10:54] <popey> i am sometimes online on 3 accounts
[10:54] <popey> popey.com, gmail.com, canonical.com
[10:56] <oimon> that is cheap, i already have the console
[10:57] <oimon> found the fit board and game for 15.99 locally
[10:57] <popey> nice to have a spare wii though if it fails :)
[10:57] <oimon> lol
[10:57] <oimon> manchester = stolen
[10:57] <oimon> source: lived there 3 years
[10:57] <oimon> (just joking)
[10:57] <popey> hah
[11:00] <popey> I flew back from scotland once, we hit some turbulence over manchester.. bloke next to me turned to me and said "Must be going over liverpool, someone's trying to nick the engines.."
[11:01] <brobostigon> lol
[11:04] <oimon> installing XP on a pc for my dad, feels pretty fast OOTB
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> oimon: but then.. security updates
[11:04] <oimon> i've done the 50 reboots required.
[11:04] <oimon> he doesn't do online banking with it
[11:05] <oimon> mainly uses for picasa
[11:05] <popey> i was watching one of leo laportes podcasts for fun
[11:05] <popey> Windows Weekly
[11:05] <popey> one of the presenters was getting all uppity that people still use xp
[11:05] <popey> he was whining on about how people should move on from xp to 7
[11:05] <directhex> i got the wife a SECRET XMAS PRESENT. she seems a bit put out by the giant box, given we weren't giving each other presents this year, and got the wiiu as a joint present to ourselves
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: but.. they won't until they buy new hardware
[11:06] <popey> indeed
[11:06] <popey> he works for microsoft i think
[11:06] <popey> so you know..
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> and hardware lives for a _long_ time.. just replaced an old P3 at my uncle's farm with an old P4 my dad had lying around
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> and the P4 is one of the last "made for XP" machines
[11:06] <AlanBell> says popey :)
[11:06] <oimon> dad would probably benefit from ubuntu since he's nervous about banking online
[11:07] <oimon> but with older generation it's worth just giving them what they want
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I have it on good authority that popey doesn't work for Microsoft ;)
[11:07] <popey> ideal for guest account I'd say
[11:07] <shauno> we tend to underestimate how many people treat their PC like a dishwasher.  they don't need a new one until the old ones gives them a final reason
[11:07] <popey> yup
[11:07] <popey> although not everyone
[11:08] <popey> many have moved from desktop to laptop for convenience
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> shauno: capacitor plague is a blessing in disguise ;)
[11:08] <oimon> thats why apple spend $$ persuading people they need iphone X
[11:08] <popey> s/apple/samsung & htc/
[11:08] <oimon> this machine is a P4, 3ghz, 2gb ram
[11:08] <popey> they all do it
[11:08] <oimon> sata disk, does nicely
[11:08] <directhex> MartijnVdS, mmmm, that seems unlikely. vista shipped in early 2007, the last pentium 4 chips shipped in early 2005
[11:08] <popey> yeah, xp would fly on that
[11:08] <oimon> dimension 3100c
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Hmm.. it could be one generation earlier then
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> directhex: but it has SATA power connectors(!)
[11:09] <directhex> sata shipped in 2003
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> directhex: sure, but power supplies with pre-attached SATA power leads as well?
[11:10] <oimon> soon my home pc will be upgraded to intel core II duo
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> directhex: anyway. 2005 vintage machine > 2001 vintage P3 ;)
[11:10] <oimon> when my company throws out their old pcs
[11:10] <shauno> I still have a machine here that claims 'designed for windows xp'.  old, old T40.  just refuses to die
[11:11] <popey> I love those old thinkpads
[11:11] <oimon> the thing is, the core2duo running gnome2 works better than my work pc with i5 processor , nvidia graphics running later *buntus
[11:11] <popey> there's a guy at the local lug who has a really old tiny thinkpad.. xsomething
[11:11] <oimon> 600e thinkpad anyone?
[11:11] <oimon> nice screen
[11:11] <popey> it's got one of those tiny hard disks you get in mp3 players
[11:11] <oimon> remember ibm microdrive?
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> oimon: fragility!
[11:12] <shauno> I still have a few microdrives.  awesome little things
[11:12] <directhex> popey, 1.8"? hellish
[11:12] <directhex> popey, boss's laptop was the only one in the office with a 1.8" ssd, had no way to read it
[11:12] <popey> yeah, he recently replaced it with an ssd
[11:13] <popey> there's like 2 companies that make 1.8" SSDs
[11:13] <popey> Kingspec.. that's it
[11:13]  * oimon makes his daily visit to www.hornby.com/advent-calendar/ and airfix.com too to try to win a prize
[11:13] <AlanBell> whut
[11:13] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0091SP8B8
[11:14] <popey> ETOOMUCHCRAPINTOPIC
[11:14] <shauno> nah.  sane amount of crap, but doubled up for good measure
[11:15] <AlanBell> any more christmassy unicode to add?
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: yes but it's Unicode 6 and that breaks with GNU Screen
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> brb, starting tmux :)
[11:15] <popey> to be inclusive
[11:16] <oimon> oh they made a lego LOTR?
[11:16] <oimon> have they improved the lego games since star wars
[11:16] <oimon> they seemed a bit...simplistic
[11:18] <AlanBell> lego batman is being played in the front room right now
[11:18] <AlanBell> I don't think simplistic is a bug
[11:18] <oimon> it seemed a bit boring, just had to collect lego bits and no real puzzles
[11:19] <oimon> maybe didn't play it for long enough, or was a bad game
[11:19] <oimon> couldn't really engage with it
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ⛇
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> (you might need a Unicode-6 capable font for that one)
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> ⛄
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> 🎅 🎄
[11:27] <bashrc> looks like a funny blob
[11:28] <popey> oooh blobs
[11:28] <popey> blobs and lines
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> ^ U+1f385 (FATHER CHRISTMAS) +  U+1f384 (CHRISTMAS TREE)
[11:28] <popey> hah
[11:28] <popey> http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/
[11:28] <bashrc> too bad I'm in ERC
[11:28] <popey> ERC?
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> ⛇  = U+26C7 BLACK SNOWMAN
[11:29] <bashrc> http://www.emacswiki.org/ERC
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> ⛄ = U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
[11:29] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yes, I was looking at those pages, but they don't render for me
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: put the ttf from this .zip in ~/.fonts and restart your terminals: http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/Symbola706.zip
[11:30] <AlanBell> ooh, I will
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: they're the same icons/emoticons Mac users and Whatsapp users use :)
[11:30] <popey> ooh
[11:30] <AlanBell> should that be packaged in Ubuntu?
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> 🐌 <(Meow)
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: yes unicode 6++!
[11:31] <bashrc> I don't much care about Mac users
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: they're people too
[11:31] <bashrc> I guess
[11:31]  * popey spies his #2 child unit using OSX right now
[11:31] <oimon> pidgin does not like those fonts
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what about this one? 🐧 - U+1F427 PENGUIN
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> And for the Perl programmers: 🐪 or 🐫
[11:34] <oimon> ah, now all is well MartijnVdS
[11:34] <popey> haha
[11:34] <oimon> pidgin fixed the fonts onthe fly after installing
[11:34] <oimon> no restart req'd
[11:34] <popey> http://www.onegameamonth.com/ looks like an interesting thing
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> 🎉
[11:35] <oimon> guys, does wii fit usually just come with the board and the game?
[11:35] <oimon> no leads or any other stuffs?
[11:35] <oimon> special controllers etc
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> the board is a special controller
[11:35] <oimon> yes, just checking :P
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> Don't some games require the "motion plus" controller?
[11:36] <oimon> i have a gold one
[11:36] <oimon> from the zelda special pack
[11:36] <popey> wii fit resort needs the motion plus, yes
[11:36] <popey> but wii fit doesn't
[11:36] <oimon> cool ta
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> 😲
[11:38] <oimon> ninite.com ftw
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> oimon: yes, ninite is VERY useful
[11:40] <oimon> suddenly got a lot more traffic on blog and wordpress calls it "other search terms"
[11:40] <oimon> cannot see what the referrer or search terms are
[11:46] <oimon> however it's nice to see referral links from forums where people have found the blog posts useful :D
[11:46] <oimon> one of them links from an internal ibm wiki that i cannot see :P
[11:47] <popey> AIUI google strips those referals from their internal browser builds on their desktops
[11:47] <popey> so they don't leak information about products
[11:48] <oimon> or other encrypted traffic?
[11:48] <oimon> i mean other products using encrypted search?
[11:48] <oimon> suddenly big spike on one day but couldn't see where from
[11:53] <solarcloud_3scrn> popey, If you like OneGameA.Month please feel free to join Freegamer G+roup..  http://bit.ly/VXZ5em
[11:53] <solarcloud_3scrn> (Iwan's Group.)
[11:58] <popey> looks quiet
[12:03] <popey> might set aside some time to learn Unity3D over xmas
[12:21] <solarcloud_3scrn> popey.. knock yourself out .. here's some music for the snowgnomen.. http://somafm.com/popup/?xmasinfrisko
[14:02] <Azelphur> when you switch bank, they can automatically move all your direct debits for you right?
[14:03] <penguin42> yep
[14:03] <AlanBell> Azelphur: yes, you have to fill out some forms
[14:03] <Azelphur> fun
[14:03] <Azelphur> but payments in have to be updated?
[14:04] <AlanBell> standing orders would have to be updated at source probably, yes
[14:04] <Azelphur> I see
[14:04] <penguin42> personally I prefer to open the new account and move stuff myself, and often leave the old one open - it's useful having accounts with banks
[14:04] <Azelphur> so best to keep it open for a little while during the switch, make sure everything is sorted
[14:04] <Azelphur> yea, I just have to move away from Santander
[14:05] <Azelphur> this is the 15th time they've locked my account, and every time they do it they make me call an 0845 for like 20 minutes
[14:05] <penguin42> ah, not an uncommon senitment
[14:05] <Azelphur> making my phone bill ridiculous, and causing me loads of hassle and stress :/
[14:05] <penguin42> Azelphur: On BT phones they do a deal for 'unlimited' calls that includes 0845 (but not 0844)
[14:06] <Azelphur> yea, I can't get my phone line connected till feb, so I have to call on mobile every time
[14:06] <penguin42> ouch
[14:06] <Azelphur> yea :/
[14:12] <popey> complain
[14:12] <popey> i did and got compensation
[14:13] <Azelphur> I complained
[14:13] <popey> why are they locking your account?
[14:13] <Azelphur> they said it wouldn't happen again, it happened again, then I complained again, then they said it wouldn't happen again, then it happened again
[14:13] <Azelphur> haha
[14:13] <popey> what makes you think other banks won't lock your account under similar circumstances?
[14:13] <Azelphur> popey: they are locking me for ridiculous things, they locked me just now because I bought some furniture on ikea -.-
[14:13] <penguin42> Azelphur: Make it a formal complaint, and formally ask for compensation
[14:14] <Azelphur> penguin42: good idea, I will give that a go
[14:14] <penguin42> Azelphur: Oh and if you're calling banks, do it at odd hours of the night, generally a lot quicker
[14:14] <Azelphur> interesting, wouldn't they be closed?
[14:14] <penguin42> Lloyds is 24hour
[14:14] <Azelphur> santander isn't, haha
[14:21] <penguin42> it's a bit hit and miss, because obviously they put less people on at those times as well
[14:49] <Azelphur> anyone handy with LIRC and mind helping me get my remote to work?
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> woo
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> anyone with a Flickr account here?
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> because: http://www.flickr.com/holidaygift
[14:54] <KrimZon> is anyone aware of this bug in unity in ubuntu 12.04:
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^ ?
[14:55] <popey> hmm?
[14:55] <KrimZon> the panel seems to have the wrong idea about what window is actually active, and it stops me clicking the sidebar icon to choose between multiple open terminal windows, for example
[14:56] <popey> i can never remember my yahoo account password
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: I linked my flickr to Google
[14:56] <popey> KrimZon, java apps?
[14:56] <popey> oh, didnt know you could
[14:57] <KrimZon> I have two terminal windows open - I click the icon once and it shows me one of the windows, then I click again and nothing happens
[14:57] <KrimZon> yeah, sometimes it works, other times it doesn't
[14:57] <KrimZon> also the panel often shows the wrong titlebar for the currently open window, or it shows the titlebar for another window
[14:57] <KrimZon> but the panel menu is still correct
[14:57] <popey> "We've sent information about resetting your password to your recovery email address."
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: it was a bit of an ordeal, but it's possible.. let me find a HOWTO/faq
[14:58] <popey> nvm, I'll reset, and use lastpass
[14:58] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Hang on, doesn't that mean that you can upload loads of stuff for 3 months and then get charged a fortune for it?
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no, after 3 months you go back to "Free" mode
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: which means any photos over 200 (300?) you have will be hidden until you pay
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: and high-res downloads will be disabled again
[14:59] <penguin42> right ok
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: and you'll get upload limits
[14:59] <penguin42> but yes, stuff you upload won't necessarily be kept visible
[14:59] <popey> hmm, yahoo haven't sent me the mail
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.flickr.com/help/signin/#4945080
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> popey: sometimes it takes a while
[15:00] <KrimZon> I think it involves workspaces too
[15:03] <popey> "We’re sorry, but your Gmail account is temporarily unavailable. We apologise for the inconvenience and suggest trying again in a few minutes."
[15:03] <popey> erk
[15:03] <penguin42> erk rare
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> popey: that sometimes happens
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> takes a minute, then it works again
[15:03] <popey> KrimZon, have you recently updated?
[15:03] <popey> or has unity crashed today?
[15:03] <popey> how often does it happen?
[15:03] <popey> does it happen for a guest user, or just your account?
[15:04] <popey> yay, its back, and I have a yahoo mail :)
[15:07] <KrimZon> popey, I've only just installed it and run updates
[15:07] <KrimZon> I'll check those things
[15:07] <popey> did you restart after updating?
[15:08] <popey> logout/login
[15:08] <KrimZon> I can't remember
[15:08] <popey> you should
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> $boss gave everyone one of these for christmas: http://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/roadrocker
[15:08] <KrimZon> k, I'll reboot, then check the guest user
[15:08] <popey> that looks cool
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's a bluetooth speaker
[15:09] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: tried routing pulseaudio to it?
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I don't have mine yet, having some days off :)
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: but it should work, my bluetooth-to-3.5mm works fine too
[15:12] <popey> oh, bluetooth, even better!
[15:31]  * penguin42 wonders why I'm getting a German ad for Google Play
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: because you're secretly german
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: because you have an IP that used to belong to the royal family
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: because Merkel has taken over the UK
[15:32] <penguin42> hmm
[15:59] <KrimZon> a reboot seems to have fixed it :)
[16:01] <KrimZon> then I typed so in the wrong window
[16:03] <popey> stupid yahoo wont let me login
[16:05] <mfraz74> Why would you want to?
[16:09] <popey> flickr
[16:09] <mfraz74> AH
[16:09] <popey> aha! spam
[16:14] <popey> heh, found this http://www.flickr.com/photos/71478182@N00/3472029810/in/photostream/
[16:26] <KrimZon> it's doing it again :(
[16:26] <KrimZon> I've run ubuntu tweak and dconf-editor
[16:41] <popey> KrimZon, doing what precisely
[16:44] <KrimZon> if I have 2 of one program open without focus, and another program with focus, all on one workspace
[16:44] <KrimZon> if I switch away from and back to that workspace, then when I click on the icon for the program I have 2 of, it selects one of them, but no further clicks will let me choose between them
[16:44] <popey> what is the program?
[16:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: you about to answer more questions about the remote i'm still struggling with? :P
[16:45] <KrimZon> gnome terminal
[16:46] <popey> are they fully on screen or are part of them on another workspace?
[16:48] <KrimZon> I'd closed them, and when I set it up again it started working properly :(
[17:02] <popey> baguette-o'clock
[17:14] <jacobw> MooCs are cool
[17:14] <penguin42> ok, I  admi t it - I like the G+ hangout Wallace & Grommit ad
[17:16] <jacobw> I saw my father for the first time in a few months yesterday, and he said he's been doing CS101 on Udacity just to see what I do
[17:17] <jacobw> I was kinda suprised
[17:48] <alexcockell> Might be offtopic - but BBC2 is airing The Toys that made Christmas...
[17:50] <penguin42> off topic? In here?
[18:08] <popey> :)
[18:34] <daubers> lo
[19:48]  * popey sees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc and thinks of MartijnVdS 
[20:28] <daftykins> anyone ever text a US number? i'm struggling with it
[21:20] <popey> daftykins, how so?
[21:20] <popey> and yes, frequently
[21:20] <daftykins> it is just 001-xxx-xxx-xxxx or +1-xxx-xxx-xxxx right?
[21:21] <popey> +1
[21:21] <popey> I always store numbers in +XX notation in my phone for when I'm away from home
[21:21] <daftykins> mmm, perhaps my telco won't let me text US numbers
[21:22] <daftykins> yeah definitely handy, became quite the challenge when i was roadtripping over there this summer XD
[21:22] <daftykins> anywho i'm just getting message reports of 'unsuccessful'
[21:22] <daftykins> so i'm not sure there
[21:22] <popey> maybe the recipient can't receive?
[21:22] <daftykins> could be
[21:22] <daftykins> thanks anyways
[21:23] <daftykins> i suppose i'll just have to continue dealing with 'Dustin' signing my gmail address up for all of his purchases ¬_¬
[21:40] <AlanBell> you could ring it
[21:40] <AlanBell> at breakfast time UK time :)
[21:40] <daftykins> heh
[21:40] <daftykins> maybe
[21:41] <daftykins> the latest 'Best Buy' email gives me a link that seems to show a full home address
[21:41] <daftykins> maybe i could send a belated Christmas card :P
[22:35] <KrimZon> popey, btw, I thought I'd give unity a proper go after I saw your video on 12.04
[22:40] <popey> oh nice!
[22:45] <mishagale> Hiya
[22:46] <mishagale> Anyone willing/able to help me with my obsolete Maverick install?
[22:50] <mishagale> Hullo?
[22:57] <dutchie> mishagale: what in particular do you need help with?
[23:00] <mishagale> dutchie, I think I may have it figured out now...
[23:00] <mishagale> It seems the main repositories no longer carry Maverick packages
[23:00] <mishagale> I'm now trying to change my sources.list to use old-releases.ubuntu.com instead
[23:01] <dutchie> is there any reason you can't upgrade to a still-supported version?
[23:01] <mishagale> Right now the reason is my internet connection
[23:01] <mishagale> Lack of disk space on this netbook is another reason
[23:02] <mishagale> I've been meaning to do a clean install since the End Of Life, but never got around to it
[23:02] <mishagale> But I'm in Mexico ATM with ~100kbps, so downloading a complete distro isn't feasible
[23:05] <dutchie> fair enough; old-releases should get you through until you have a better connection
[23:05] <mishagale> Thanks
[23:06] <mishagale> I've just changed all the http://archives.ubuntu.com... lines in my sources.list to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com... should that work?
[23:11] <dutchie> should do
[23:12] <mishagale> Yep! would work better if I hadn't written "http://old-releases.canonical.com" for some of them, which doesn't exist :)
[23:43] <mishagale> Hurrah! Think I've finally installed MySQL Workbench, thanks dutchie!
[23:45] <mishagale> Unfortunately, it turns out that MySQL Workbench doesn't properly support displays with a horizontal resolution <= 600px
[23:46] <mishagale> I hate people who design UI's without scrollbars
[23:48] <dutchie> you can do alt+drag to move a window without having to see the title bar
[23:49] <mishagale> dutchie, That doesn't seem to work for me, is it supported in Maverick?
[23:52] <daftykins> that's standard in every version