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| Lumpy | greetings anyone awake? | 07:03 |
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| drmacro | Running 12.10 liveusb, apps won't launch for example firefox can't find a profile, Ardour/audacity do nothing when clicked. | 15:00 |
| zequence | drmacro: Which app did you use to create the live usb? | 15:27 |
| drmacro | zequence: unetbootn on another ubs PC (PS: the live stick is actually 12.04 64bit) | 15:36 |
| zequence | drmacro: unetbootin usually works fine for me. Maybe just try again. Make sure the ISO image is not corrupt | 15:38 |
| drmacro | zequence: I just downloaded the 32 bit iso, gonna give it a go. Could be the target laptop not happy with 64bit...just wag. :P | 16:00 |
| holstein | unetbootin is what i use.. and i usually do 32bit unless i just nee 64bit | 16:04 |
| holstein | need* | 16:04 |
| drmacro | gaack...now it says no default or ui and stops at the boot: | 16:19 |
| holstein | drmacro: what did you remove? | 16:19 |
| drmacro | I used unetbootn to write ubs 32 bit iso on the same stick that 64 bit was on. it said it was replacing everthing... | 16:20 |
| holstein | drmacro: it? | 16:22 |
| holstein | drmacro: i just replace everything.. each time | 16:22 |
| holstein | i format in between each go | 16:22 |
| * holstein doesnt trust "it" | 16:23 | |
| Lumpy | hello all | 16:38 |
| Lumpy | is there anyone here who might be able to help me with idjc issues | 16:38 |
| Lumpy | i am not sure, but suspect it involves pulseaudio | 16:38 |
| holstein | Lumpy: i have only ever used it with JACK | 16:40 |
| Lumpy | holstein: same here | 16:41 |
| Lumpy | i updated to 12.04 and pulse is in there now | 16:41 |
| Lumpy | in the past i have exercised it | 16:41 |
| Lumpy | but from what i read in forums on the web and such, it should work now with pulse | 16:42 |
| Lumpy | and i would rather have pulse working to incorporate teamspeak locally | 16:42 |
| Lumpy | rather than run it in off another machine via my mixer | 16:42 |
| Lumpy | i am open to any suggestions | 16:42 |
| Lumpy | i haven't fully looked into everything yet | 16:42 |
| Lumpy | but my server logs, Icecast, don't seem to indicate it is on the server end | 16:43 |
| Lumpy | the audio ends up getting all skippy and I can't stay connected to the stream | 16:44 |
| holstein | just disable pulse when jack starts.. thats what i did.. remove it from the equation | 16:44 |
| holstein | raise the latency settings | 16:44 |
| holstein | you dont need low latency for idjc | 16:44 |
| Lumpy | i am using a RT kernel, latency is not likely the issue, least from what i see atm | 16:44 |
| Lumpy | the settings are the same as i have always had them | 16:45 |
| holstein | Lumpy: cool.. i'll let you talk with of the other volunteers then about that.. and i'll throw out how to disable pulse | 16:45 |
| Lumpy | i agree on that regarding low latency for idjc but i want it for other stuff | 16:45 |
| holstein | let me know when you want to consider latency as an issue.. | 16:45 |
| Lumpy | no don't throw it out | 16:45 |
| Lumpy | i am open to discuss it | 16:45 |
| Lumpy | all i am saying is that i am not sure | 16:46 |
| Lumpy | wasn't trying to argue with you sorry | 16:46 |
| Lumpy | and i am willing to try it without pulse | 16:46 |
| holstein | under jack setup.. the misc tab.. enable dbus.. untick that box and restart jack.. that should disable the pulse bridge | 16:46 |
| Lumpy | sorry if i offended you.. didn't meant to | 16:47 |
| * holstein is not offended | 16:47 | |
| Lumpy | give me a few seconds and I will boot the os and try what you suggested | 16:47 |
| Lumpy | do i need to reboot the os to have the changes stick or just jackd | 16:48 |
| Lumpy | i had two different answers on that one in forums last night | 16:49 |
| drmacro | holstein: formatted stick, unetbootin --> 32 bit, all is good. Apps even run. :-D | 16:49 |
| holstein | Lumpy: you can check after restarting qjack... reboot if needed | 16:49 |
| holstein | Lumpy: i forget.. and usually just test and do what needs to be done | 16:50 |
| Lumpy | looks like jackd only is needed | 16:50 |
| holstein | drmacro: cheers!.. i had a few failures and now i just format each time | 16:50 |
| Lumpy | and, holstein i am about the same on that remembering thing.. diigo is my buddy even for cli stuff | 16:50 |
| holstein | Lumpy: also, you should have realistic expectations of the hardware.. if its an internal card, you likely wont get lowlatency | 16:51 |
| Lumpy | so you are suggesting to not to use the low latency, correct? | 16:52 |
| holstein | Lumpy: depends on what you are referring to | 16:53 |
| holstein | im not referring to "lowlatency" as a noun necessarily | 16:53 |
| Lumpy | i have a pci soundblaster card | 16:53 |
| holstein | not the lowlatency kernel or whatever | 16:53 |
| Lumpy | i am confused atm.. give me a second | 16:54 |
| holstein | im just saying, if you have a soundblaster, likely the lowest latency you will get regardless of tweaks and kernels is around 20 or 30 ms | 16:54 |
| holstein | which in my testing, might as well be 80ms | 16:54 |
| Lumpy | i have been using studio for a few years | 16:54 |
| holstein | if i cant approach 10ms, i can percieve it.. so the hardware is useless for RT or lowlatency | 16:54 |
| Lumpy | it just seemed better with audacity and lowlatency kernel | 16:54 |
| holstein | Lumpy: sure.. it might seem "better". but how much better? | 16:55 |
| holstein | you can get to 40ms instead of 60? | 16:55 |
| holstein | whats the point? | 16:55 |
| holstein | 40 wont do | 16:55 |
| Lumpy | but give me a second and let me see if i can resolve the stream connection first please | 16:55 |
| holstein | you need 10 | 16:55 |
| Lumpy | i would love to pick your brain for more better gooder in a moment | 16:55 |
| holstein | plus, you likely usually dont need lowlatency | 16:55 |
| holstein | i have a nice firewire device i can get 1.2ms stable on.. but i dont set it like that all the time | 16:56 |
| holstein | i have different profiles. and when im mixing, i just jack it up to 80ms+.. because latency is not an issue in that scenario | 16:56 |
| holstein | if lowlatency is a priority for you, the best thing you can do is replace that soundblaster | 16:56 |
| Lumpy | i want to get up to a better card, i was thinking maudio | 16:57 |
| Lumpy | but, in general, latency is not an issue for me | 16:57 |
| holstein | think about it this way. you are asking a tiny consumer grade piece of hardware made for listening to sound to perform as a piece of gear from a pro studio | 16:57 |
| Lumpy | and i did what you suggested, now no skips but still don't seem to connect | 16:57 |
| holstein | and, im not talking bad about the soundblaster.. its just not the right tool for that job | 16:58 |
| holstein | Lumpy: doent connect to icecast? | 16:58 |
| holstein | or jack? | 16:58 |
| Lumpy | i agreee on that holstein, but atm, sb is all i got | 16:58 |
| Lumpy | it is wierd holstein, | 16:58 |
| Lumpy | it connects to jack just fine | 16:58 |
| holstein | Lumpy: i think you can do "ok" with that hardware as long as you accept its limitations | 16:58 |
| Lumpy | novacast says i am connected to the stream | 16:59 |
| Lumpy | but | 16:59 |
| Lumpy | it is not streaming what i am streaming if i listen on another machine | 16:59 |
| Lumpy | however, you did fix the skipping audio | 16:59 |
| holstein | unfortunately, i havent gotten around to using icecast in 12.04 or 12.10. im still using 10.04 on my studio rig mostly and migrating slowly over | 17:00 |
| Lumpy | all i need is 128 kbps cbr for my stream | 17:00 |
| Lumpy | i was on 10.04 until the upgrade | 17:00 |
| Lumpy | and it worked flawlessly | 17:00 |
| holstein | Lumpy: may i suggest just double checking all configs and settings and trying #opensourcemusicians ? | 17:00 |
| Lumpy | i saw a forum post about removing some of the packages and using another repo to grab them | 17:00 |
| holstein | Lumpy: the upgrade? | 17:00 |
| Lumpy | to 12.04 from 10.04 | 17:01 |
| holstein | Lumpy: you dont *have* to upgrade | 17:01 |
| Lumpy | and i did double check all the settings | 17:01 |
| holstein | you talk about it as if it was impending ;) | 17:01 |
| Lumpy | i have used the same settings for years | 17:01 |
| holstein | im still not ready to upgrade | 17:01 |
| holstein | but, thats water under the bridge, so to speak | 17:02 |
| Lumpy | i upgraded for the following reason | 17:02 |
| Lumpy | i have several machines all connected to each other via synergy | 17:02 |
| holstein | Lumpy: i would do the normal stuff too... run icecast and all apps you can from the terminal and look for output | 17:02 |
| Lumpy | i have an old single core i use for irc and upgraded it to mint for xfce | 17:02 |
| Lumpy | it needed synergy beta to work right | 17:03 |
| Lumpy | 10.04 studio did not like the beta synergy | 17:03 |
| Lumpy | so i upgraded | 17:03 |
| Lumpy | so now i can use synergy but have stream issues | 17:03 |
| holstein | im sure you'll get it sorted | 17:03 |
| Lumpy | while i would be willing to go back to 10.04, i would rather still have synergy than using vnc | 17:03 |
| holstein | nah.. dont go back.. im just saying, for a mission critical box, i take the "look before you leap" mentality to the extreme | 17:04 |
| Lumpy | heh, i tried a dozeen different flavors in the past week | 17:05 |
| Lumpy | if it comes to mission critical, i can still use winamp on the XP boot | 17:06 |
| holstein | i would setup your own server, or ask about using one in #opensourcemusicians to test | 17:06 |
| Lumpy | but i rather hate windows | 17:06 |
| Lumpy | i do have a dedicated server and i will join the channel you suggested | 17:06 |
| holstein | Lumpy: im only suggesting to remove it from the equation | 17:06 |
| holstein | stream to localhost.. that will leave only the software | 17:07 |
| Lumpy | and i am not 100% sure it is not on the server end | 17:07 |
| Lumpy | but i don't see anything in the logs that suggest that | 17:07 |
| holstein | could the the client config still | 17:07 |
| Lumpy | i am not the one who deals with the server mostly though so i could be missing something | 17:07 |
| * Lumpy puts on a "color me simple" hat | 17:08 | |
| Lumpy | local server, duh, i should have thought of that | 17:08 |
| holstein | eh.. its just a troubleshooting idea.. remove things from the equation or whatever | 17:10 |
| Lumpy | hmm | 17:14 |
| Lumpy | doesn't look like it is the software then | 17:14 |
| Lumpy | thanks | 17:15 |
| holstein | Lumpy: hey, thats good to know | 17:15 |
| holstein | ...now what ;) | 17:15 |
| holstein | maybe its simple as the client config for the server? | 17:15 |
| Lumpy | maybe | 17:16 |
| holstein | either way, sounds like you are chipping away at it | 17:16 |
| Lumpy | but that too is all the same | 17:16 |
| Lumpy | and yeah, chipping works atm | 17:16 |
| Lumpy | thanks again | 17:16 |
| holstein | sure.. anytime.. hope you get it sorted | 17:16 |
| Lumpy | you here often holstein? | 17:17 |
| holstein | well, im logged in all the time, but i get busy sometimes | 17:17 |
| Lumpy | i think i might become a lurker here as well | 17:18 |
| Lumpy | thanks for the help, i think the next chipping is going to be on novacast | 17:18 |
| holstein | Lumpy: we could use the help.. eve if its just a "welcome to the channel" message | 17:19 |
| holstein | even* | 17:19 |
| Lumpy | holstein: i would hope i could help more than that | 17:19 |
| holstein | Lumpy: im sure you can :) | 17:20 |
| Lumpy | regarding the low latency | 17:20 |
| Lumpy | i understand what you are saying about doing nothing at all for the SB | 17:20 |
| holstein | well, it might help a bit, but i still wouldnt expect to use it for a software synth or realtime effects | 17:21 |
| Lumpy | but doe it not also give priority to jack so that stuff chromium browser and other programs won't clog my resource deprive machine | 17:21 |
| Lumpy | that is more why i went with it | 17:22 |
| Lumpy | if that is not the case, i might revert | 17:22 |
| Lumpy | and i don't any realtime effects so to say | 17:23 |
| holstein | Lumpy: you can ask in the dev channel or on the mailing list, but i just dont run those apps on my studio rig | 17:23 |
| holstein | Lumpy: you should be able to get RT priority from JACK now with lowlatency | 17:23 |
| holstein | maybe even the generic kernel | 17:24 |
| holstein | Lumpy: there is less of a need for RT now.. and less of an advantage from RT | 17:24 |
| Lumpy | in the past i had to edit a file, i forget which, and change the nice settings | 17:24 |
| holstein | yup | 17:24 |
| Lumpy | in that sense it gave it RT | 17:24 |
| Lumpy | but that was years ago | 17:24 |
| holstein | Lumpy: that should be needed anymore | 17:24 |
| holstein | Lumpy: test though.. trust nothing i say | 17:24 |
| holstein | check the jack messages window | 17:25 |
| Lumpy | i was just thinking that.. i have the HD space and could actually try a regular with the same OS | 17:25 |
| Lumpy | but, as the low latency came available, I just went with it, seemed to have less browser interference | 17:25 |
| Lumpy | the browser is something i often abuse while streaming | 17:26 |
| Lumpy | ntl, good food for though, thanks again | 17:26 |
| Lumpy | and is the dev channel just #dev? | 17:26 |
| Lumpy | and i always check the jack message window | 17:26 |
| Lumpy | that was another reason for the confusion | 17:27 |
| Lumpy | no errors | 17:27 |
| Lumpy | but deffinitely skipping | 17:27 |
| Lumpy | so as far as trusting, i go with my ears over the message window | 17:27 |
| Lumpy | and with the changes you suggested | 17:28 |
| Lumpy | no skipping and still now errors | 17:28 |
| Lumpy | so you got it to more better gooder | 17:28 |
| holstein | kernels dont take up much hd space | 17:28 |
| holstein | i trust the original audio tool as well.. the ear :) | 17:28 |
| Lumpy | not much at all | 17:28 |
| Lumpy | yup, best rule of thumb so long as the thumb is not in the ear.. heh | 17:29 |
| Lumpy | so what is the dev channel? | 17:30 |
| Lumpy | but, for what it is worth, i can't recall having any issues with the low latency kernal short of nvidia messing with it | 17:32 |
| Lumpy | but with 12.04 i don't even need the nvidia drivers | 17:33 |
| Lumpy | then again, that should be true for a regular kernel as well | 17:33 |
| Lumpy | pardon my sleep deprivation ramble | 17:34 |
| Lumpy | brb, just to throw it out of the equation, i am going to try a reboot and the connecting | 17:36 |
| holstein | #ubuntustudio-devel is the dev channel BTW | 17:36 |
| holstein | i will run 12.04 ubuntustudio til 14.04 | 17:37 |
| holstein | though i test all releases | 17:37 |
| Lumpy | no change on reboot | 17:42 |
| Lumpy | are you a developer holstein? | 17:42 |
| Lumpy | and no change on reboot | 17:42 |
| holstein | Lumpy: nah.. im a developing contributor ;) | 17:42 |
| Lumpy | and what does that mean? | 17:44 |
| Lumpy | holstein: thanks for the help | 17:47 |
| Lumpy | i will lurk in the channels you suggested and, hopefully, i can help out | 17:47 |
| Lumpy | for now, i need a nap before i take the kid to see the lights and such | 17:48 |
| holstein | Lumpy: im not a developer yet.. but id like to be | 17:49 |
| * Lumpy is pretty much a hack of all trades | 17:49 | |
| Lumpy | i started out with patch cord Moogs and 1 inch tape | 17:50 |
| holstein | Lumpy: cool.. welcome to the community! | 17:50 |
| Lumpy | i still stream off a Tascam 464 protastudio for my mixer | 17:50 |
| Lumpy | like you said, the ears are the best guide | 17:50 |
| holstein | yup | 17:51 |
| Lumpy | for now, i need a nap but i am looking forward to more chat with all of you | 17:51 |
| Lumpy | thanks again and nini for now | 17:52 |
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| drmacro | holstein: So you think I should install Jack do you? ;-) | 18:56 |
| holstein | drmacro: jack is installed by default | 18:56 |
| holstein | drmacro: do you need jack? thats the question. if you dont, then dont bother with it | 18:57 |
| drmacro | holstein: yes but over on ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com you suggested I install jack. Just joking with you...I've been using Ardour/UBS/etc for several years. | 18:59 |
| holstein | drmacro: macdroid53 / | 19:00 |
| holstein | ? | 19:00 |
| holstein | what i suggested was installing.. the opereating system | 19:00 |
| holstein | i'll be more specific though... | 19:01 |
| drmacro | holstein: guilty | 19:01 |
| holstein | "Ardour needs jack... I would install, and choose one thing at a time to troubleshoot. Cheers" is what i said | 19:01 |
| holstein | that was in reponse to "For example Firefox complains about no profie, Inkscape says it's | 19:01 |
| holstein | > running with defaults, Ardour/Audacity do nothing" | 19:01 |
| holstein | drmacro: i was saying, ardour might not run there since it needs JACK.. if you are not runing JACK first | 19:02 |
| holstein | drmacro: i did not feel i needed to imply you should install JACK, since its installed | 19:02 |
| holstein | i did want to imply you should try installing the operating system | 19:02 |
| drmacro | holstein: well as I said earlier, I used the 32bit version of ubs and things work fine. So I'm blaming 64bit on the target laptop | 19:02 |
| holstein | drmacro: if you want a live persistent USB, try installing to the USB stick | 19:02 |
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| holstein | drmacro: so, you have working system then? | 19:03 |
| holstein | enjoy | 19:03 |
| drmacro | holstein: yeah, with the 64bit live programs just didn't run. Then unetbootin didn't flush the 64bit version when I re-made the stick with 32bit, wouldn't boot. Then, you suggested format the stick | 19:05 |
| drmacro | that worked fine with 32bit. | 19:05 |
| holstein | i use 32bit unless i need 64 | 19:06 |
| holstein | i have no idea what you have encountered with the 64bit iso live.. could have been a bad image or a bad download or a bad stick or process creating the stick.. or several bugs that no one has cared to report yet | 19:07 |
| holstein | feel free and start a bug report and link it up here, and i'll try and reproduce it and mark myself as affected | 19:07 |
| drmacro | well, this is a pretty old Dell laptop. I don't even attempt to use it with my firewire devices since I found out back around 8.04 that it doesn't have TI chipset. So I only use it with the on board sound. | 19:10 |
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