=== daniel is now known as Guest31855 [07:03] greetings anyone awake? === cwillu_ is now known as cwillu [15:00] Running 12.10 liveusb, apps won't launch for example firefox can't find a profile, Ardour/audacity do nothing when clicked. [15:27] drmacro: Which app did you use to create the live usb? [15:36] zequence: unetbootn on another ubs PC (PS: the live stick is actually 12.04 64bit) [15:38] drmacro: unetbootin usually works fine for me. Maybe just try again. Make sure the ISO image is not corrupt [16:00] zequence: I just downloaded the 32 bit iso, gonna give it a go. Could be the target laptop not happy with 64bit...just wag. :P [16:04] unetbootin is what i use.. and i usually do 32bit unless i just nee 64bit [16:04] need* [16:19] gaack...now it says no default or ui and stops at the boot: [16:19] drmacro: what did you remove? [16:20] I used unetbootn to write ubs 32 bit iso on the same stick that 64 bit was on. it said it was replacing everthing... [16:22] drmacro: it? [16:22] drmacro: i just replace everything.. each time [16:22] i format in between each go [16:23] * holstein doesnt trust "it" [16:38] hello all [16:38] is there anyone here who might be able to help me with idjc issues [16:38] i am not sure, but suspect it involves pulseaudio [16:40] Lumpy: i have only ever used it with JACK [16:41] holstein: same here [16:41] i updated to 12.04 and pulse is in there now [16:41] in the past i have exercised it [16:42] but from what i read in forums on the web and such, it should work now with pulse [16:42] and i would rather have pulse working to incorporate teamspeak locally [16:42] rather than run it in off another machine via my mixer [16:42] i am open to any suggestions [16:42] i haven't fully looked into everything yet [16:43] but my server logs, Icecast, don't seem to indicate it is on the server end [16:44] the audio ends up getting all skippy and I can't stay connected to the stream [16:44] just disable pulse when jack starts.. thats what i did.. remove it from the equation [16:44] raise the latency settings [16:44] you dont need low latency for idjc [16:44] i am using a RT kernel, latency is not likely the issue, least from what i see atm [16:45] the settings are the same as i have always had them [16:45] Lumpy: cool.. i'll let you talk with of the other volunteers then about that.. and i'll throw out how to disable pulse [16:45] i agree on that regarding low latency for idjc but i want it for other stuff [16:45] let me know when you want to consider latency as an issue.. [16:45] no don't throw it out [16:45] i am open to discuss it [16:46] all i am saying is that i am not sure [16:46] wasn't trying to argue with you sorry [16:46] and i am willing to try it without pulse [16:46] under jack setup.. the misc tab.. enable dbus.. untick that box and restart jack.. that should disable the pulse bridge [16:47] sorry if i offended you.. didn't meant to [16:47] * holstein is not offended [16:47] give me a few seconds and I will boot the os and try what you suggested [16:48] do i need to reboot the os to have the changes stick or just jackd [16:49] i had two different answers on that one in forums last night [16:49] holstein: formatted stick, unetbootin --> 32 bit, all is good. Apps even run. :-D [16:49] Lumpy: you can check after restarting qjack... reboot if needed [16:50] Lumpy: i forget.. and usually just test and do what needs to be done [16:50] looks like jackd only is needed [16:50] drmacro: cheers!.. i had a few failures and now i just format each time [16:50] and, holstein i am about the same on that remembering thing.. diigo is my buddy even for cli stuff [16:51] Lumpy: also, you should have realistic expectations of the hardware.. if its an internal card, you likely wont get lowlatency [16:52] so you are suggesting to not to use the low latency, correct? [16:53] Lumpy: depends on what you are referring to [16:53] im not referring to "lowlatency" as a noun necessarily [16:53] i have a pci soundblaster card [16:53] not the lowlatency kernel or whatever [16:54] i am confused atm.. give me a second [16:54] im just saying, if you have a soundblaster, likely the lowest latency you will get regardless of tweaks and kernels is around 20 or 30 ms [16:54] which in my testing, might as well be 80ms [16:54] i have been using studio for a few years [16:54] if i cant approach 10ms, i can percieve it.. so the hardware is useless for RT or lowlatency [16:54] it just seemed better with audacity and lowlatency kernel [16:55] Lumpy: sure.. it might seem "better". but how much better? [16:55] you can get to 40ms instead of 60? [16:55] whats the point? [16:55] 40 wont do [16:55] but give me a second and let me see if i can resolve the stream connection first please [16:55] you need 10 [16:55] i would love to pick your brain for more better gooder in a moment [16:55] plus, you likely usually dont need lowlatency [16:56] i have a nice firewire device i can get 1.2ms stable on.. but i dont set it like that all the time [16:56] i have different profiles. and when im mixing, i just jack it up to 80ms+.. because latency is not an issue in that scenario [16:56] if lowlatency is a priority for you, the best thing you can do is replace that soundblaster [16:57] i want to get up to a better card, i was thinking maudio [16:57] but, in general, latency is not an issue for me [16:57] think about it this way. you are asking a tiny consumer grade piece of hardware made for listening to sound to perform as a piece of gear from a pro studio [16:57] and i did what you suggested, now no skips but still don't seem to connect [16:58] and, im not talking bad about the soundblaster.. its just not the right tool for that job [16:58] Lumpy: doent connect to icecast? [16:58] or jack? [16:58] i agreee on that holstein, but atm, sb is all i got [16:58] it is wierd holstein, [16:58] it connects to jack just fine [16:58] Lumpy: i think you can do "ok" with that hardware as long as you accept its limitations [16:59] novacast says i am connected to the stream [16:59] but [16:59] it is not streaming what i am streaming if i listen on another machine [16:59] however, you did fix the skipping audio [17:00] unfortunately, i havent gotten around to using icecast in 12.04 or 12.10. im still using 10.04 on my studio rig mostly and migrating slowly over [17:00] all i need is 128 kbps cbr for my stream [17:00] i was on 10.04 until the upgrade [17:00] and it worked flawlessly [17:00] Lumpy: may i suggest just double checking all configs and settings and trying #opensourcemusicians ? [17:00] i saw a forum post about removing some of the packages and using another repo to grab them [17:00] Lumpy: the upgrade? [17:01] to 12.04 from 10.04 [17:01] Lumpy: you dont *have* to upgrade [17:01] and i did double check all the settings [17:01] you talk about it as if it was impending ;) [17:01] i have used the same settings for years [17:01] im still not ready to upgrade [17:02] but, thats water under the bridge, so to speak [17:02] i upgraded for the following reason [17:02] i have several machines all connected to each other via synergy [17:02] Lumpy: i would do the normal stuff too... run icecast and all apps you can from the terminal and look for output [17:02] i have an old single core i use for irc and upgraded it to mint for xfce [17:03] it needed synergy beta to work right [17:03] 10.04 studio did not like the beta synergy [17:03] so i upgraded [17:03] so now i can use synergy but have stream issues [17:03] im sure you'll get it sorted [17:03] while i would be willing to go back to 10.04, i would rather still have synergy than using vnc [17:04] nah.. dont go back.. im just saying, for a mission critical box, i take the "look before you leap" mentality to the extreme [17:05] heh, i tried a dozeen different flavors in the past week [17:06] if it comes to mission critical, i can still use winamp on the XP boot [17:06] i would setup your own server, or ask about using one in #opensourcemusicians to test [17:06] but i rather hate windows [17:06] i do have a dedicated server and i will join the channel you suggested [17:06] Lumpy: im only suggesting to remove it from the equation [17:07] stream to localhost.. that will leave only the software [17:07] and i am not 100% sure it is not on the server end [17:07] but i don't see anything in the logs that suggest that [17:07] could the the client config still [17:07] i am not the one who deals with the server mostly though so i could be missing something [17:08] * Lumpy puts on a "color me simple" hat [17:08] local server, duh, i should have thought of that [17:10] eh.. its just a troubleshooting idea.. remove things from the equation or whatever [17:14] hmm [17:14] doesn't look like it is the software then [17:15] thanks [17:15] Lumpy: hey, thats good to know [17:15] ...now what ;) [17:15] maybe its simple as the client config for the server? [17:16] maybe [17:16] either way, sounds like you are chipping away at it [17:16] but that too is all the same [17:16] and yeah, chipping works atm [17:16] thanks again [17:16] sure.. anytime.. hope you get it sorted [17:17] you here often holstein? [17:17] well, im logged in all the time, but i get busy sometimes [17:18] i think i might become a lurker here as well [17:18] thanks for the help, i think the next chipping is going to be on novacast [17:19] Lumpy: we could use the help.. eve if its just a "welcome to the channel" message [17:19] even* [17:19] holstein: i would hope i could help more than that [17:20] Lumpy: im sure you can :) [17:20] regarding the low latency [17:20] i understand what you are saying about doing nothing at all for the SB [17:21] well, it might help a bit, but i still wouldnt expect to use it for a software synth or realtime effects [17:21] but doe it not also give priority to jack so that stuff chromium browser and other programs won't clog my resource deprive machine [17:22] that is more why i went with it [17:22] if that is not the case, i might revert [17:23] and i don't any realtime effects so to say [17:23] Lumpy: you can ask in the dev channel or on the mailing list, but i just dont run those apps on my studio rig [17:23] Lumpy: you should be able to get RT priority from JACK now with lowlatency [17:24] maybe even the generic kernel [17:24] Lumpy: there is less of a need for RT now.. and less of an advantage from RT [17:24] in the past i had to edit a file, i forget which, and change the nice settings [17:24] yup [17:24] in that sense it gave it RT [17:24] but that was years ago [17:24] Lumpy: that should be needed anymore [17:24] Lumpy: test though.. trust nothing i say [17:25] check the jack messages window [17:25] i was just thinking that.. i have the HD space and could actually try a regular with the same OS [17:25] but, as the low latency came available, I just went with it, seemed to have less browser interference [17:26] the browser is something i often abuse while streaming [17:26] ntl, good food for though, thanks again [17:26] and is the dev channel just #dev? [17:26] and i always check the jack message window [17:27] that was another reason for the confusion [17:27] no errors [17:27] but deffinitely skipping [17:27] so as far as trusting, i go with my ears over the message window [17:28] and with the changes you suggested [17:28] no skipping and still now errors [17:28] so you got it to more better gooder [17:28] kernels dont take up much hd space [17:28] i trust the original audio tool as well.. the ear :) [17:28] not much at all [17:29] yup, best rule of thumb so long as the thumb is not in the ear.. heh [17:30] so what is the dev channel? [17:32] but, for what it is worth, i can't recall having any issues with the low latency kernal short of nvidia messing with it [17:33] but with 12.04 i don't even need the nvidia drivers [17:33] then again, that should be true for a regular kernel as well [17:34] pardon my sleep deprivation ramble [17:36] brb, just to throw it out of the equation, i am going to try a reboot and the connecting [17:36] #ubuntustudio-devel is the dev channel BTW [17:37] i will run 12.04 ubuntustudio til 14.04 [17:37] though i test all releases [17:42] no change on reboot [17:42] are you a developer holstein? [17:42] and no change on reboot [17:42] Lumpy: nah.. im a developing contributor ;) [17:44] and what does that mean? [17:47] holstein: thanks for the help [17:47] i will lurk in the channels you suggested and, hopefully, i can help out [17:48] for now, i need a nap before i take the kid to see the lights and such [17:49] Lumpy: im not a developer yet.. but id like to be [17:49] * Lumpy is pretty much a hack of all trades [17:50] i started out with patch cord Moogs and 1 inch tape [17:50] Lumpy: cool.. welcome to the community! [17:50] i still stream off a Tascam 464 protastudio for my mixer [17:50] like you said, the ears are the best guide [17:51] yup [17:51] for now, i need a nap but i am looking forward to more chat with all of you [17:52] thanks again and nini for now === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK [18:56] holstein: So you think I should install Jack do you? ;-) [18:56] drmacro: jack is installed by default [18:57] drmacro: do you need jack? thats the question. if you dont, then dont bother with it [18:59] holstein: yes but over on ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com you suggested I install jack. Just joking with you...I've been using Ardour/UBS/etc for several years. [19:00] drmacro: macdroid53 / [19:00] ? [19:00] what i suggested was installing.. the opereating system [19:01] i'll be more specific though... [19:01] holstein: guilty [19:01] "Ardour needs jack... I would install, and choose one thing at a time to troubleshoot. Cheers" is what i said [19:01] that was in reponse to "For example Firefox complains about no profie, Inkscape says it's [19:01] > running with defaults, Ardour/Audacity do nothing" [19:02] drmacro: i was saying, ardour might not run there since it needs JACK.. if you are not runing JACK first [19:02] drmacro: i did not feel i needed to imply you should install JACK, since its installed [19:02] i did want to imply you should try installing the operating system [19:02] holstein: well as I said earlier, I used the 32bit version of ubs and things work fine. So I'm blaming 64bit on the target laptop [19:02] drmacro: if you want a live persistent USB, try installing to the USB stick === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK [19:03] drmacro: so, you have working system then? [19:03] enjoy [19:05] holstein: yeah, with the 64bit live programs just didn't run. Then unetbootin didn't flush the 64bit version when I re-made the stick with 32bit, wouldn't boot. Then, you suggested format the stick [19:05] that worked fine with 32bit. [19:06] i use 32bit unless i need 64 [19:07] i have no idea what you have encountered with the 64bit iso live.. could have been a bad image or a bad download or a bad stick or process creating the stick.. or several bugs that no one has cared to report yet [19:07] feel free and start a bug report and link it up here, and i'll try and reproduce it and mark myself as affected [19:10] well, this is a pretty old Dell laptop. I don't even attempt to use it with my firewire devices since I found out back around 8.04 that it doesn't have TI chipset. So I only use it with the on board sound.