| len-xu | On sound interfaces that PA does not directly control the levels of such as my ice1712 based d66 there is no GUI way of getting sound. alsamixer in a terminal works though. | 00:04 |
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| len-xu | Not a big problem. it is a set once deal for most uses. | 00:05 |
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| ochosi | maddernick: ping | 12:24 |
| maddernick | ochosi: pong (didnt push, got drunk) | 12:37 |
| ochosi | ehehe | 12:37 |
| maddernick | ochosi: if you got the file | 12:37 |
| maddernick | could you push? | 12:37 |
| ochosi | i guess | 12:37 |
| maddernick | 1 sec | 12:37 |
| ochosi | but in the longer run, it'd be good if you updated your key | 12:37 |
| maddernick | indeed | 12:38 |
| maddernick | http://31.192.230.130:1337/xubuntu-logo.script | 12:38 |
| ochosi | so what does it do with the wallpaper exactly? | 12:39 |
| maddernick | it scales it in 1 of 2 ways | 12:40 |
| ochosi | ah | 12:40 |
| maddernick | depending on what ratio is the biggest | 12:40 |
| ochosi | ok, that's different from xfdesktop i guess | 12:40 |
| maddernick | root win vs image | 12:40 |
| maddernick | it is? | 12:40 |
| ochosi | xfdesktop zooms the wallpaper | 12:40 |
| maddernick | hm | 12:40 |
| ochosi | i think i mentioned that recently when we talked about the meaning of "auto" | 12:40 |
| maddernick | I asked about meaning of auto, i dont recall getting an answer | 12:41 |
| ochosi | i said this yesterday: | 12:41 |
| ochosi | 16:10 ochosi$ maddernick: "auto" chooses tiled if the image size is half the monitor size, else it acts as zoomed. | 12:41 |
| maddernick | The old script, would make the wallpaper fully stretched | 12:41 |
| maddernick | oh | 12:41 |
| maddernick | ochosi: okay ill make sure to do that instead then | 12:42 |
| ochosi | actually the "auto"-mode will be dropped from xfdesktop (although i'm not sure that'll affect 13.04), but i still think zoom is a good mode | 12:42 |
| ochosi | that'd be nice! | 12:42 |
| ochosi | i also thought i could whip up some pngs for the animation | 12:42 |
| maddernick | awesome | 12:42 |
| ochosi | if it's a spinner, are you gonna rotate it in the script or do you need pngs for the different phases? | 12:43 |
| maddernick | i could rotate it in script | 12:43 |
| ochosi | ok, then i'll try to do something and we can test it | 12:43 |
| ochosi | i vaguely remember you did screencasts of it last time | 12:44 |
| maddernick | yup | 12:44 |
| maddernick | I can do that | 12:44 |
| ochosi | do you think you could do that again once we have something that works? | 12:44 |
| maddernick | we did have a spinner | 12:44 |
| ochosi | oh cool | 12:44 |
| maddernick | Before aswell, but it was voted down | 12:44 |
| ochosi | yeah, not sure why we didn't use it :p | 12:44 |
| maddernick | (you and knome didnt agree ;)) | 12:44 |
| ochosi | yeah, it's been a while now, i think i can try again with a nice spinner | 12:44 |
| maddernick | oki | 12:45 |
| ochosi | just have to settle on a style | 12:45 |
| ochosi | (e.g. flower-style vs. comet-style) | 12:45 |
| ochosi | knome: are you aroundß | 12:45 |
| ochosi | knome: are you around? | 12:45 |
| maddernick | ochosi: when i look at tiled in xfdesk, it seems it means that it blits entire bg even if its too big, so i assume it would repeat the bg if image was very small? | 12:49 |
| ochosi | yeah | 12:50 |
| ochosi | but i'd say implementing zoomed is enogh | 12:50 |
| ochosi | enough | 12:50 |
| ochosi | because we never will ship a wp so small that it needs to be tiled | 12:50 |
| ochosi | it's more about handling various resolutions gracefully | 12:50 |
| maddernick | and zoom and stretch seems to be the same thing (looks identical), so i assume it goes by percentage rather than stretching for real? | 12:50 |
| ochosi | depends what stretched means for you | 12:51 |
| ochosi | if stretched = scaled, then stretched != zoomed :) | 12:51 |
| maddernick | for me, stretch is what we currently have | 12:51 |
| maddernick | ye | 12:51 |
| maddernick | i think i have enough info now :> | 12:51 |
| ochosi | i thought currently we scale the bg | 12:51 |
| ochosi | zoomed is what vlc does when you say "crop" :) | 12:52 |
| maddernick | well, the script i link does | 12:52 |
| maddernick | okay | 12:52 |
| ochosi | ok, well if your script already crops/stretches/zooms, then that's dandy! :) | 12:52 |
| maddernick | crop is ratio based | 12:53 |
| maddernick | which is what i do, but i will investigate anyway | 12:53 |
| maddernick | basically: ratio of screen, ratio of bg, if screen ratio > bg ratio, produce the scale factor on height, otherwise width | 12:54 |
| ochosi | yup | 12:55 |
| ochosi | that makes sense | 12:55 |
| maddernick | but is that what we want? | 12:55 |
| maddernick | If so, we can start with spinner :) | 12:55 |
| ochosi | yeah, i don't see any downsides right now, you? | 12:56 |
| maddernick | nope | 12:56 |
| maddernick | Ill make sure to fix the black + animation bug aswell | 12:57 |
| ochosi | cool | 12:59 |
| knome | ochosi, now i am | 18:02 |
| knome | ochosi, maddernick ? | 18:21 |
| knome | maddernick, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/raring_plymouth/circular-throbber.png <- there's a little something for you there. spin it around the image center, and it should be fine | 18:22 |
| maddernick | knome: under the logo? | 18:41 |
| knome | maddernick, well, we got to discuss this. that's the reason we didn't go for a circular thobber before (hard to place) | 18:42 |
| knome | but i suppose you could put it anywhere for PoC | 18:42 |
| maddernick | okay | 18:43 |
| knome | i assume it's easy enough to move it later | 18:43 |
| maddernick | knome: looks like a worm :> | 19:15 |
| knome | heh | 19:16 |
| maddernick | let me see if i an upl a video of it | 19:16 |
| knome | sure | 19:16 |
| maddernick | knome: http://31.192.230.130:1337/spinner.ogg | 19:20 |
| knome | lemme see | 19:20 |
| knome | i suppose that is what ochosi was after | 19:20 |
| knome | if we want to make it better, i have the sources in svg so it's easy enough to change | 19:21 |
| maddernick | We can adjust speed etc | 19:21 |
| knome | yup, i think maybe something slower, but ochosi is the art lead, so i'll let him decide the details | 19:22 |
| maddernick | okay | 19:22 |
| ochosi | knome: where did you dig up that worm? :) | 20:02 |
| knome | ochosi, i created it in inkscape | 20:06 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering whether it should be so compact | 20:06 |
| ochosi | i mentioned that before, it's kinda the "comet-style" (as opposed to the "flower-style") | 20:07 |
| knome | what's the "flower" style? | 20:07 |
| ochosi | but since it's not fading out on one side it's a very solid block moving | 20:07 |
| ochosi | the one you have in thunar (or in gtk ftm) | 20:07 |
| knome | aha | 20:07 |
| knome | but then you'd have to have another layer on top of that | 20:07 |
| knome | or sth more complex | 20:07 |
| ochosi | the "flower"-style is probably easier actually | 20:08 |
| knome | hmm | 20:08 |
| knome | i can't see how | 20:08 |
| ochosi | or not harder at least | 20:08 |
| maddernick | last time, i was given a circle | 20:08 |
| ochosi | you only need one image, that has one leaf of the blossom larger | 20:08 |
| knome | but i can't grasp an idea either | 20:08 |
| maddernick | a solid circle, and a little dot | 20:08 |
| maddernick | the dot was rotate around the cricle | 20:09 |
| knome | aha | 20:09 |
| ochosi | maddernick: yeah, i remember that now | 20:09 |
| maddernick | but you both could not agree | 20:09 |
| knome | well, for me it was mostly the placing | 20:09 |
| knome | we still have the same problem, but i'm looking forward how ochosi solves that :P | 20:09 |
| maddernick | i have an idea, that both of you prolly disagree with :P | 20:10 |
| knome | ochosi, oh right, that flower style. would you prefer that? | 20:10 |
| knome | maddernick, any idea is welcome | 20:10 |
| maddernick | what if the circle was AROUND the logo, and the logo a *bit* smaller? | 20:10 |
| ochosi | knome: probably, at least i'd try to look into it | 20:11 |
| knome | what if the thing rotating was just like a piece of pie, not the outer edge like now? | 20:11 |
| ochosi | also, the placement in the video maddernick posted above looks fine to me | 20:11 |
| knome | should have more padding vs. logo | 20:11 |
| ochosi | knome: you mean like a radar? :) | 20:11 |
| knome | yeah, kind of | 20:11 |
| ochosi | yeah, definitely more padding, but i don't consider the placement critical | 20:12 |
| ochosi | i mean the general direction is fine | 20:12 |
| knome | sure, but there's also the question how the fsck progress is shown | 20:12 |
| knome | and how does all that look with the logo also being circular | 20:12 |
| knome | maddernick, i think that ^ is a big problem with your suggestion (fsck indicator) | 20:13 |
| maddernick | indeed, but... | 20:13 |
| knome | especially if we decide to make it circular too | 20:13 |
| maddernick | One could replace the circle with a bar | 20:13 |
| maddernick | if fsck is ran | 20:13 |
| knome | well, they are separate indicators anyway | 20:13 |
| maddernick | yes | 20:13 |
| ochosi | i think the diff between those two indicators is quite drastic: | 20:13 |
| ochosi | fsck shows actual progress | 20:14 |
| knome | ochosi, yep. | 20:14 |
| ochosi | the boot process just shows "activity" | 20:14 |
| knome | ochosi, i acknoledge that | 20:14 |
| knome | what if it was just a blinking dot? | 20:14 |
| knome | for example, a small dot with some blurred edges in the right-bottom corner? | 20:15 |
| knome | blinking in and out | 20:15 |
| knome | just an idea. | 20:15 |
| ochosi | yeah, maybe | 20:16 |
| knome | that would be the less clutter | 20:16 |
| ochosi | i'm really open for a lot | 20:16 |
| knome | least | 20:16 |
| ochosi | we can also make the logo pulse | 20:16 |
| ochosi | or just the glow behind the logo | 20:16 |
| knome | me too. i mean, the circular indicator is kind of... well, i don't know | 20:16 |
| ochosi | yeah | 20:16 |
| ochosi | :) | 20:16 |
| maddernick | that would be quite cool | 20:16 |
| maddernick | a pulsating logo | 20:16 |
| knome | in a way that tells people "this might take *so* long, better get some coffee" | 20:16 |
| ochosi | haha | 20:16 |
| knome | a pulsating logo might work if it was aligned differently | 20:17 |
| ochosi | well on some computers it does ;) | 20:17 |
| ochosi | and it could be just a slight pusle | 20:17 |
| ochosi | pulse | 20:17 |
| knome | like centered, on top or bottom of the logotype | 20:17 |
| knome | slight - would that be visible? | 20:17 |
| ochosi | not a complete fade-to-black, just something subtle | 20:17 |
| knome | because the idea is to have visual hint that there's progress | 20:17 |
| knome | we can't make it too subtle | 20:17 |
| knome | and there's a slight chance we do that if we start playing with the logo | 20:18 |
| knome | a circular throbber or a pulsating dot is much much more "sustainable" too | 20:18 |
| knome | even if we change the logo, that still works | 20:18 |
| knome | (we're not changing the logo) | 20:18 |
| knome | and it doesn't get "old" | 20:19 |
| ochosi | actually ppl who use proprietary drivers only get a static image there anyway | 20:19 |
| knome | it has worked for me with nvidia | 20:20 |
| knome | proprietary drivers | 20:20 |
| ochosi | maybe my laptop boots too fast then | 20:20 |
| knome | :) | 20:20 |
| knome | maybe | 20:20 |
| knome | anyway | 20:20 |
| knome | bbl | 20:20 |
| ochosi | but i remember it being a static image before i got the ssd | 20:20 |
| ochosi | knome: one sec | 20:20 |
| ochosi | will you be back tonight? | 20:20 |
| ochosi | i mean, should we try to get this stuff on a wiki page so we don't have to start from 0 each time? | 20:21 |
| knome | i will | 20:29 |
| knome | maybe | 20:29 |
| maddernick | hm | 20:29 |
| knome | i most probably will be in and out today again; when wife goes to sleep, i'll try to continue my little nürburgring-project :P | 20:29 |
| maddernick | i have a vid now | 20:30 |
| ochosi | knome: hehe | 20:30 |
| ochosi | maddernick: cool, show! :) | 20:30 |
| maddernick | http://31.192.230.130:1337/blink.ogg | 20:31 |
| maddernick | just wanted too see how that would look like | 20:31 |
| ochosi | yeah, not too bad | 20:31 |
| ochosi | i'd probably just add glow below the logo to make it less "blink" and more "glow", but i think i like the idea | 20:32 |
| maddernick | it looks better "irl", VLC isnt too kind to my videos :( | 20:32 |
| ochosi | thought so :) | 20:32 |
| ochosi | you can try the new parole from git if you want | 20:32 |
| maddernick | can parole record? | 20:33 |
| ochosi | oh | 20:33 |
| ochosi | no, it cant | 20:33 |
| maddernick | hehe :P | 20:33 |
| ochosi | i thought you only use that for playback | 20:33 |
| maddernick | i use VLC to record videos | 20:33 |
| knome | i'd probably just blink the img-part though | 20:33 |
| ochosi | why not use a real screencasting-app? | 20:33 |
| maddernick | it clogs my ~ | 20:33 |
| maddernick | With spam logs | 20:33 |
| ochosi | rly? i thought kazaam (or whatever) was working quite well | 20:34 |
| ochosi | knome: img-part of the logo you mean? | 20:34 |
| knome | i've used recordmydesktop before | 20:34 |
| maddernick | I tend to use record-my-desktop etc, because I can select a window | 20:34 |
| knome | ochosi, yup | 20:34 |
| ochosi | yeah, only making the img-part of the logo glow or pulse sounds good | 20:35 |
| maddernick | what is the img-part? | 20:35 |
| maddernick | The mouse? | 20:35 |
| knome | yeah | 20:35 |
| knome | the non-text part of the logo | 20:35 |
| maddernick | i c | 20:36 |
| knome | lol | 20:36 |
| knome | that reminds me of a playing maching on a ferry to sweden | 20:36 |
| knome | named "I C Money" with icey letters | 20:36 |
| knome | i'm *sure* pun was intended | 20:36 |
| maddernick | :) | 20:36 |
| ochosi | hehe | 20:37 |
| ochosi | knome: say, what would you say if i mirrored the revert-icon horizontally? | 21:37 |
| ochosi | currently it rather says "reload" instead of "revert" imo | 21:37 |
| ochosi | (in actions/16/document-revert) | 21:37 |
| knome | ochosi, can't think of it right now, but will get you back soonish | 21:49 |
| ochosi | mkay | 21:53 |
| CryptoFreak | Hello everyone. New community member eager to help :-) | 23:24 |
| ochosi | hi | 23:24 |
| ochosi | ... and welcome. always good to see new faces around here | 23:25 |
| ochosi | what areas do you wanna help with? | 23:25 |
| CryptoFreak | I can do packaging, coding, marketing, etc. Mostly coding and marketing though. | 23:26 |
| ochosi | awesome | 23:26 |
| CryptoFreak | Cool | 23:26 |
| ochosi | coders and packagers are really needed | 23:26 |
| knome | hullo! (i'm mostly away from irc for a while now though) | 23:26 |
| CryptoFreak | Cool. Then I might be able to lend a hand somewhere then :-) | 23:26 |
| ochosi | knome: you mean "hullo and goodbye"? :) | 23:27 |
| knome | nah, i mean "hey, i'm here, but don't expect fast replies" | 23:27 |
| ochosi | CryptoFreak: have you taken a look at xfce's code or anything ubuntu related so far? | 23:27 |
| ochosi | or better: what's your background, etc :) | 23:28 |
| knome | huh, something freaky happened. i got kicked out of my session | 23:28 |
| CryptoFreak | I've looked a bit at xfce and a few things in Ubuntu. But I'm just diving in now | 23:28 |
| CryptoFreak | Most of my background is userland development. Haven't done much system stuff yet | 23:29 |
| ochosi | righty | 23:29 |
| ochosi | that sounds fine though | 23:29 |
| knome | working with xubuntu is hardly too much system stuff :) | 23:30 |
| CryptoFreak | True. :-) | 23:30 |
| ochosi | in xubuntu we don't currently do our own coding projects, we're just too few ppl for that | 23:30 |
| CryptoFreak | I'm up to going anywhere I can fit in. | 23:30 |
| ochosi | so in general if we have a project or areas we'd like to improve code-wise, we try to always get it upstream to xfce | 23:30 |
| ochosi | e.g. parole has been xubuntu's multimedia-player for about 2 years now | 23:30 |
| ochosi | but development stalled for more than a year and the project looked dead | 23:31 |
| CryptoFreak | Cool. So what kinds of stuff does the team generally do if not coding? | 23:31 |
| ochosi | out of our interest we revived it @xfce | 23:31 |
| ochosi | so now bluesabre and me are maintaining it (although he's doing much more than me :)) | 23:31 |
| CryptoFreak | Ahh I see | 23:31 |
| ochosi | that was just an example now | 23:31 |
| ochosi | in general i'm doing mostly artwork | 23:32 |
| ochosi | only little tidbits of code | 23:32 |
| ochosi | actually xubuntu is really upstream-oriented as a distro | 23:32 |
| sgtmcc | ochosi, when you got a moment got a ?? for you | 23:32 |
| CryptoFreak | Sounds like an active community though | 23:32 |
| ochosi | our packagers always look that stuff gets into debian first and then pull it back to xubuntu | 23:32 |
| ochosi | sgtmcc: sure, ask away | 23:32 |
| sgtmcc | any advice on the arrow? | 23:33 |
| ochosi | in what respect? | 23:33 |
| sgtmcc | Was that done with bezier curves or how was it originally done? | 23:33 |
| ochosi | just open the 48px version to check :) | 23:33 |
| ochosi | you don't have to draw it from scratch | 23:34 |
| sgtmcc | oh...ok...cool | 23:34 |
| ochosi | you can scale it and try to correctly position it etc | 23:34 |
| knome | what arrow? | 23:34 |
| ochosi | line-width is best kept at 1px | 23:34 |
| ochosi | knome: sgtmcc is helping with icons | 23:34 |
| knome | ochosi, just fyi, the line-width was better at 0.8 on the 16px refresh icon | 23:34 |
| ochosi | knome: currently redrawing the 32px document-open-recent icon | 23:34 |
| knome | but that's only for 16px | 23:35 |
| ochosi | i know | 23:35 |
| knome | yup, just saying | 23:35 |
| ochosi | didn't want to over-complicate things in the beginning :) | 23:35 |
| ochosi | CryptoFreak: so yeah, any personal itches you want to scratch in xubuntu? | 23:35 |
| CryptoFreak | lol Probably something silly. But the lack of feedback when clicking an icon drives me nuts | 23:36 |
| sgtmcc | ochosi, about to email you the svg, about to go out with the wife for a bit | 23:37 |
| ochosi | sgtmcc: sure, sounds good | 23:37 |
| sgtmcc | probably not to scale, might need a tut some time to show me how to scale correctly | 23:38 |
| ochosi | righty | 23:38 |
| ochosi | CryptoFreak: you mean e.g. in thunar? | 23:38 |
| CryptoFreak | ochosi: right | 23:38 |
| sgtmcc | going away...talk to you all later | 23:39 |
| ochosi | CryptoFreak: ok, one sec... | 23:39 |
| ochosi | sgtmcc: have fun, ttyl | 23:39 |
| ochosi | CryptoFreak: here you go ;) https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1377 | 23:40 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 1377 in general "Visual feedback when double-clicking a file" [Enhancement,Assigned] | 23:40 |
| CryptoFreak | Hmm, FF isn't letting me access that page. | 23:41 |
| ochosi | as you can see, bugs to fix everywhere | 23:41 |
| CryptoFreak | Very cool. Looks like I'll be able to keep myself busy! | 23:42 |
| ochosi | ;) | 23:42 |
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