[00:04] On sound interfaces that PA does not directly control the levels of such as my ice1712 based d66 there is no GUI way of getting sound. alsamixer in a terminal works though. [00:05] Not a big problem. it is a set once deal for most uses. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:24] maddernick: ping [12:37] ochosi: pong (didnt push, got drunk) [12:37] ehehe [12:37] ochosi: if you got the file [12:37] could you push? [12:37] i guess [12:37] 1 sec [12:37] but in the longer run, it'd be good if you updated your key [12:38] indeed [12:38] http://31.192.230.130:1337/xubuntu-logo.script [12:39] so what does it do with the wallpaper exactly? [12:40] it scales it in 1 of 2 ways [12:40] ah [12:40] depending on what ratio is the biggest [12:40] ok, that's different from xfdesktop i guess [12:40] root win vs image [12:40] it is? [12:40] xfdesktop zooms the wallpaper [12:40] hm [12:40] i think i mentioned that recently when we talked about the meaning of "auto" [12:41] I asked about meaning of auto, i dont recall getting an answer [12:41] i said this yesterday: [12:41] 16:10 ochosi$ maddernick: "auto" chooses tiled if the image size is half the monitor size, else it acts as zoomed. [12:41] The old script, would make the wallpaper fully stretched [12:41] oh [12:42] ochosi: okay ill make sure to do that instead then [12:42] actually the "auto"-mode will be dropped from xfdesktop (although i'm not sure that'll affect 13.04), but i still think zoom is a good mode [12:42] that'd be nice! [12:42] i also thought i could whip up some pngs for the animation [12:42] awesome [12:43] if it's a spinner, are you gonna rotate it in the script or do you need pngs for the different phases? [12:43] i could rotate it in script [12:43] ok, then i'll try to do something and we can test it [12:44] i vaguely remember you did screencasts of it last time [12:44] yup [12:44] I can do that [12:44] do you think you could do that again once we have something that works? [12:44] we did have a spinner [12:44] oh cool [12:44] Before aswell, but it was voted down [12:44] yeah, not sure why we didn't use it :p [12:44] (you and knome didnt agree ;)) [12:44] yeah, it's been a while now, i think i can try again with a nice spinner [12:45] oki [12:45] just have to settle on a style [12:45] (e.g. flower-style vs. comet-style) [12:45] knome: are you aroundß [12:45] knome: are you around? [12:49] ochosi: when i look at tiled in xfdesk, it seems it means that it blits entire bg even if its too big, so i assume it would repeat the bg if image was very small? [12:50] yeah [12:50] but i'd say implementing zoomed is enogh [12:50] enough [12:50] because we never will ship a wp so small that it needs to be tiled [12:50] it's more about handling various resolutions gracefully [12:50] and zoom and stretch seems to be the same thing (looks identical), so i assume it goes by percentage rather than stretching for real? [12:51] depends what stretched means for you [12:51] if stretched = scaled, then stretched != zoomed :) [12:51] for me, stretch is what we currently have [12:51] ye [12:51] i think i have enough info now :> [12:51] i thought currently we scale the bg [12:52] zoomed is what vlc does when you say "crop" :) [12:52] well, the script i link does [12:52] okay [12:52] ok, well if your script already crops/stretches/zooms, then that's dandy! :) [12:53] crop is ratio based [12:53] which is what i do, but i will investigate anyway [12:54] basically: ratio of screen, ratio of bg, if screen ratio > bg ratio, produce the scale factor on height, otherwise width [12:55] yup [12:55] that makes sense [12:55] but is that what we want? [12:55] If so, we can start with spinner :) [12:56] yeah, i don't see any downsides right now, you? [12:56] nope [12:57] Ill make sure to fix the black + animation bug aswell [12:59] cool [18:02] ochosi, now i am [18:21] ochosi, maddernick ? [18:22] maddernick, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/raring_plymouth/circular-throbber.png <- there's a little something for you there. spin it around the image center, and it should be fine [18:41] knome: under the logo? [18:42] maddernick, well, we got to discuss this. that's the reason we didn't go for a circular thobber before (hard to place) [18:42] but i suppose you could put it anywhere for PoC [18:43] okay [18:43] i assume it's easy enough to move it later [19:15] knome: looks like a worm :> [19:16] heh [19:16] let me see if i an upl a video of it [19:16] sure [19:20] knome: http://31.192.230.130:1337/spinner.ogg [19:20] lemme see [19:20] i suppose that is what ochosi was after [19:21] if we want to make it better, i have the sources in svg so it's easy enough to change [19:21] We can adjust speed etc [19:22] yup, i think maybe something slower, but ochosi is the art lead, so i'll let him decide the details [19:22] okay [20:02] knome: where did you dig up that worm? :) [20:06] ochosi, i created it in inkscape [20:06] i'm wondering whether it should be so compact [20:07] i mentioned that before, it's kinda the "comet-style" (as opposed to the "flower-style") [20:07] what's the "flower" style? [20:07] but since it's not fading out on one side it's a very solid block moving [20:07] the one you have in thunar (or in gtk ftm) [20:07] aha [20:07] but then you'd have to have another layer on top of that [20:07] or sth more complex [20:08] the "flower"-style is probably easier actually [20:08] hmm [20:08] i can't see how [20:08] or not harder at least [20:08] last time, i was given a circle [20:08] you only need one image, that has one leaf of the blossom larger [20:08] but i can't grasp an idea either [20:08] a solid circle, and a little dot [20:09] the dot was rotate around the cricle [20:09] aha [20:09] maddernick: yeah, i remember that now [20:09] but you both could not agree [20:09] well, for me it was mostly the placing [20:09] we still have the same problem, but i'm looking forward how ochosi solves that :P [20:10] i have an idea, that both of you prolly disagree with :P [20:10] ochosi, oh right, that flower style. would you prefer that? [20:10] maddernick, any idea is welcome [20:10] what if the circle was AROUND the logo, and the logo a *bit* smaller? [20:11] knome: probably, at least i'd try to look into it [20:11] what if the thing rotating was just like a piece of pie, not the outer edge like now? [20:11] also, the placement in the video maddernick posted above looks fine to me [20:11] should have more padding vs. logo [20:11] knome: you mean like a radar? :) [20:11] yeah, kind of [20:12] yeah, definitely more padding, but i don't consider the placement critical [20:12] i mean the general direction is fine [20:12] sure, but there's also the question how the fsck progress is shown [20:12] and how does all that look with the logo also being circular [20:13] maddernick, i think that ^ is a big problem with your suggestion (fsck indicator) [20:13] indeed, but... [20:13] especially if we decide to make it circular too [20:13] One could replace the circle with a bar [20:13] if fsck is ran [20:13] well, they are separate indicators anyway [20:13] yes [20:13] i think the diff between those two indicators is quite drastic: [20:14] fsck shows actual progress [20:14] ochosi, yep. [20:14] the boot process just shows "activity" [20:14] ochosi, i acknoledge that [20:14] what if it was just a blinking dot? [20:15] for example, a small dot with some blurred edges in the right-bottom corner? [20:15] blinking in and out [20:15] just an idea. [20:16] yeah, maybe [20:16] that would be the less clutter [20:16] i'm really open for a lot [20:16] least [20:16] we can also make the logo pulse [20:16] or just the glow behind the logo [20:16] me too. i mean, the circular indicator is kind of... well, i don't know [20:16] yeah [20:16] :) [20:16] that would be quite cool [20:16] a pulsating logo [20:16] in a way that tells people "this might take *so* long, better get some coffee" [20:16] haha [20:17] a pulsating logo might work if it was aligned differently [20:17] well on some computers it does ;) [20:17] and it could be just a slight pusle [20:17] pulse [20:17] like centered, on top or bottom of the logotype [20:17] slight - would that be visible? [20:17] not a complete fade-to-black, just something subtle [20:17] because the idea is to have visual hint that there's progress [20:17] we can't make it too subtle [20:18] and there's a slight chance we do that if we start playing with the logo [20:18] a circular throbber or a pulsating dot is much much more "sustainable" too [20:18] even if we change the logo, that still works [20:18] (we're not changing the logo) [20:19] and it doesn't get "old" [20:19] actually ppl who use proprietary drivers only get a static image there anyway [20:20] it has worked for me with nvidia [20:20] proprietary drivers [20:20] maybe my laptop boots too fast then [20:20] :) [20:20] maybe [20:20] anyway [20:20] bbl [20:20] but i remember it being a static image before i got the ssd [20:20] knome: one sec [20:20] will you be back tonight? [20:21] i mean, should we try to get this stuff on a wiki page so we don't have to start from 0 each time? [20:29] i will [20:29] maybe [20:29] hm [20:29] i most probably will be in and out today again; when wife goes to sleep, i'll try to continue my little nürburgring-project :P [20:30] i have a vid now [20:30] knome: hehe [20:30] maddernick: cool, show! :) [20:31] http://31.192.230.130:1337/blink.ogg [20:31] just wanted too see how that would look like [20:31] yeah, not too bad [20:32] i'd probably just add glow below the logo to make it less "blink" and more "glow", but i think i like the idea [20:32] it looks better "irl", VLC isnt too kind to my videos :( [20:32] thought so :) [20:32] you can try the new parole from git if you want [20:33] can parole record? [20:33] oh [20:33] no, it cant [20:33] hehe :P [20:33] i thought you only use that for playback [20:33] i use VLC to record videos [20:33] i'd probably just blink the img-part though [20:33] why not use a real screencasting-app? [20:33] it clogs my ~ [20:33] With spam logs [20:34] rly? i thought kazaam (or whatever) was working quite well [20:34] knome: img-part of the logo you mean? [20:34] i've used recordmydesktop before [20:34] I tend to use record-my-desktop etc, because I can select a window [20:34] ochosi, yup [20:35] yeah, only making the img-part of the logo glow or pulse sounds good [20:35] what is the img-part? [20:35] The mouse? [20:35] yeah [20:35] the non-text part of the logo [20:36] i c [20:36] lol [20:36] that reminds me of a playing maching on a ferry to sweden [20:36] named "I C Money" with icey letters [20:36] i'm *sure* pun was intended [20:36] :) [20:37] hehe [21:37] knome: say, what would you say if i mirrored the revert-icon horizontally? [21:37] currently it rather says "reload" instead of "revert" imo [21:37] (in actions/16/document-revert) [21:49] ochosi, can't think of it right now, but will get you back soonish [21:53] mkay [23:24] Hello everyone. New community member eager to help :-) [23:24] hi [23:25] ... and welcome. always good to see new faces around here [23:25] what areas do you wanna help with? [23:26] I can do packaging, coding, marketing, etc. Mostly coding and marketing though. [23:26] awesome [23:26] Cool [23:26] coders and packagers are really needed [23:26] hullo! (i'm mostly away from irc for a while now though) [23:26] Cool. Then I might be able to lend a hand somewhere then :-) [23:27] knome: you mean "hullo and goodbye"? :) [23:27] nah, i mean "hey, i'm here, but don't expect fast replies" [23:27] CryptoFreak: have you taken a look at xfce's code or anything ubuntu related so far? [23:28] or better: what's your background, etc :) [23:28] huh, something freaky happened. i got kicked out of my session [23:28] I've looked a bit at xfce and a few things in Ubuntu. But I'm just diving in now [23:29] Most of my background is userland development. Haven't done much system stuff yet [23:29] righty [23:29] that sounds fine though [23:30] working with xubuntu is hardly too much system stuff :) [23:30] True. :-) [23:30] in xubuntu we don't currently do our own coding projects, we're just too few ppl for that [23:30] I'm up to going anywhere I can fit in. [23:30] so in general if we have a project or areas we'd like to improve code-wise, we try to always get it upstream to xfce [23:30] e.g. parole has been xubuntu's multimedia-player for about 2 years now [23:31] but development stalled for more than a year and the project looked dead [23:31] Cool. So what kinds of stuff does the team generally do if not coding? [23:31] out of our interest we revived it @xfce [23:31] so now bluesabre and me are maintaining it (although he's doing much more than me :)) [23:31] Ahh I see [23:31] that was just an example now [23:32] in general i'm doing mostly artwork [23:32] only little tidbits of code [23:32] actually xubuntu is really upstream-oriented as a distro [23:32] ochosi, when you got a moment got a ?? for you [23:32] Sounds like an active community though [23:32] our packagers always look that stuff gets into debian first and then pull it back to xubuntu [23:32] sgtmcc: sure, ask away [23:33] any advice on the arrow? [23:33] in what respect? [23:33] Was that done with bezier curves or how was it originally done? [23:33] just open the 48px version to check :) [23:34] you don't have to draw it from scratch [23:34] oh...ok...cool [23:34] you can scale it and try to correctly position it etc [23:34] what arrow? [23:34] line-width is best kept at 1px [23:34] knome: sgtmcc is helping with icons [23:34] ochosi, just fyi, the line-width was better at 0.8 on the 16px refresh icon [23:34] knome: currently redrawing the 32px document-open-recent icon [23:35] but that's only for 16px [23:35] i know [23:35] yup, just saying [23:35] didn't want to over-complicate things in the beginning :) [23:35] CryptoFreak: so yeah, any personal itches you want to scratch in xubuntu? [23:36] lol Probably something silly. But the lack of feedback when clicking an icon drives me nuts [23:37] ochosi, about to email you the svg, about to go out with the wife for a bit [23:37] sgtmcc: sure, sounds good [23:38] probably not to scale, might need a tut some time to show me how to scale correctly [23:38] righty [23:38] CryptoFreak: you mean e.g. in thunar? [23:38] ochosi: right [23:39] going away...talk to you all later [23:39] CryptoFreak: ok, one sec... [23:39] sgtmcc: have fun, ttyl [23:40] CryptoFreak: here you go ;) https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1377 [23:40] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 1377 in general "Visual feedback when double-clicking a file" [Enhancement,Assigned] [23:41] Hmm, FF isn't letting me access that page. [23:41] as you can see, bugs to fix everywhere [23:42] Very cool. Looks like I'll be able to keep myself busy! [23:42] ;)