| mishagale | Just found excellent workaround: $ xrandr --output LVDS1 --panning 1024x800 | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| penguin42 | what does --panning do ? | 00:01 |
| mishagale | Now have extra 200 lines of "virtual" desktop | 00:01 |
| penguin42 | ah, that | 00:01 |
| mishagale | penguin42, it makes your desktop larger than your physical display, moving mouse to edge pans view | 00:01 |
| penguin42 | ok | 00:05 |
| daftykins | happy Christmas Eve's Eve all >:) | 00:05 |
| * penguin42 pre-jingles | 00:06 | |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 00:06 |
| mishagale | Here in Mexico it is still the 22nd | 00:06 |
| daftykins | :) | 00:08 |
| BigRedS | I need to install Ubuntu on an early Intel mac mini. I guess the standard amd64 CD image will work - is there a more appropriate one to use? | 00:17 |
| daftykins | wouldn't have thought so, could be worth trying to hit up some guides though | 00:18 |
| BigRedS | googling's actually made me less sure that it should work | 00:18 |
| daftykins | have you got finite CD-R's? | 00:18 |
| BigRedS | yeah, but I have a USB stick and unetbootin | 00:19 |
| daftykins | ah | 00:20 |
| BigRedS | I don't have an apple keyboard which I think did confuse things with this machine once before | 00:20 |
| daftykins | i suppose you'll have to see how friendly the EFI is :) | 00:20 |
| BigRedS | Lots of people reckon it'll Just Work on recent Apple hardware and I don't suppose BIOS emulation's something they've particularly worked on | 00:20 |
| daftykins | ah | 00:20 |
| BigRedS | haha, yeah | 00:20 |
| penguin42 | BigRedS: I'm not sure you can get to the boot on them without an apple keyboard | 00:20 |
| penguin42 | BigRedS: Also, just check it's 64bit, I'm fairly sure the first Intel macs were 32bit only | 00:21 |
| daftykins | alt should work fine, that's your key to hold down for different boot devices | 00:21 |
| shauno | unetbootin may confuse issues more than it doesn't. their bios emulation only targets a few narrow use-cases | 00:22 |
| BigRedS | penguin42: it's a c2d I think. But it does have a working OS, so it's worth checking for certain | 00:23 |
| BigRedS | shauno: I guess it's basically there for Windows to work? | 00:23 |
| penguin42 | they didn't have bios emulation on the 1st ones | 00:24 |
| shauno | right. so it'll do legacy-emulation from internal optical, bios/mbr emulation from internal hdd, and usb may as well not exist | 00:24 |
| BigRedS | ahhh | 00:24 |
| BigRedS | cool | 00:24 |
| BigRedS | better get some CDs tomorrow! | 00:24 |
| shauno | ymmv, of course, just don't give up straight away if unetbootin doesn't render bootable results | 00:25 |
| daftykins | wow, asked my friends in the US to text that guy that kept signing me up to his email. he gave them a call and it turns out *drumroll* his email is mine with '8' on the end :> | 00:32 |
| daftykins | oops signing my email up to his stuff, rather | 00:33 |
| dwatkins | daftykins: so he just keeps getting his e-mail address wrong? | 00:33 |
| * dwatkins suspects this is the case with his namesake | 00:33 | |
| daftykins | seems it somehow gets lost in translation either over the phone or in person at shops | 00:34 |
| daftykins | as i'm a Dave, i see spam for 'Dotty', requests for 'Dustin' (this guy) to go and provide after-school tuition for kids | 00:34 |
| daftykins | in the past i discovered some other guy who i managed to find the real email for, somehow, who then started asking me what my family tree was like to see if we were related | 00:35 |
| daftykins | think that was a Daniel | 00:35 |
| daftykins | heh | 00:35 |
| daftykins | definitely seems interesting being quick on a new email service (this was gmail back in the early invite days) | 00:36 |
| daftykins | dwatkins: do you get something similar? :) | 00:37 |
| shauno | I used to quite persistently get something similar. although my address was first.last, and although we shared a surname, this chap called kevin kept using my address | 00:38 |
| daftykins | ! weird | 00:38 |
| daftykins | heh, oops sorry lubotu3 :P | 00:39 |
| shauno | eventually he had it attached to his vodafone account, so I logged in and sent him a webtext from his own number asking him to quit it. and he did | 00:39 |
| daftykins | :D | 00:40 |
| daftykins | i've heard that so many times, you eventually have to just use their accounts ja | 00:40 |
| daftykins | this time i got a Best Buy email with his mobile # so i just set about trying to contact :D | 00:40 |
| shauno | well when it's the only communication you have with them, it's the only avenue past simply ignoring it | 00:41 |
| mgdm | is it possible to disable Unity's behaviour on hitting alt? | 00:50 |
| ali1234 | yes | 00:52 |
| ali1234 | it's done in ccsm | 00:53 |
| mgdm | ah, I dn't have that installed as I wasn't sure if it worked | 00:53 |
| ali1234 | it does | 00:53 |
| ali1234 | 99% of configuration of unity is done there | 00:53 |
| mgdm | I had 'MyUnity', which served to sort some things | 00:53 |
| ali1234 | that's useless | 00:54 |
| ali1234 | it just hits some of the same config keys | 00:54 |
| mgdm | ooh, toys | 00:57 |
| mgdm | any idea which setting governs that? | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | what, the alt key? "key to show the HUD" or something | 00:57 |
| mgdm | oh, got it | 00:57 |
| ali1234 | i can't check because i don't have unity plugin installed | 00:58 |
| mgdm | s'fine | 00:58 |
| mgdm | now alt does nothing, which isn't brilliant, but certainly better than it was | 00:59 |
| ali1234 | well you can map it to a different plugin quite easily | 00:59 |
| ali1234 | what do you want it to do? | 00:59 |
| ali1234 | open the first menu on selected window? | 00:59 |
| mgdm | essentially, yes | 00:59 |
| mgdm | 'do what it has done since Windows was invented' | 00:59 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 00:59 |
| ali1234 | yeah would be nice | 00:59 |
| ali1234 | that might be the one thing it can't do | 01:00 |
| mgdm | well, nothing is closer to what i want than the HUD is, so I'll survive | 01:00 |
| ali1234 | yeah i disabled it too | 01:00 |
| mgdm | I wouldn't mind so much, if it took less than 4 seconds to show up | 01:00 |
| ali1234 | then i forgot because i never even accidentally activated it | 01:01 |
| ali1234 | i reported a bug about that the day after it was released | 01:01 |
| mgdm | I'm using a Mac keyboard, which means i hit the wrong button fairly frequently | 01:01 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: that remote of mine, the color buttons don't even show up when I'm catting /dev/input/eventx, is it meant to do that? | 01:03 |
| ali1234 | i think showing first menu by alt would be a gtk responsibility (or qt or whatever) | 01:03 |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: i dunno. at the very least you should see "unknown event" | 01:03 |
| ali1234 | or "unmapped key" or "unknown key" errors or something | 01:04 |
| Azelphur | I'm doing cat /dev/input/eventX and looking at it raw, it shows up for the number keys, but nothing at all for the colors | 01:04 |
| ali1234 | well don't do that | 01:04 |
| ali1234 | use evtest or whatever | 01:04 |
| ali1234 | and look at the driver too | 01:04 |
| ali1234 | look at the hid descriptors | 01:04 |
| ali1234 | this is all same as we did on the g19 stuff | 01:05 |
| Azelphur | yea, it doesn't show up in evtest either | 01:05 |
| Azelphur | indeed, it's similar, not sure how to look at hid descriptors though. | 01:05 |
| Azelphur | this is interesting...the volume control keys on the remote work | 01:06 |
| Azelphur | but they don't show up in evtest | 01:06 |
| Azelphur | the remote is split into two devices, haha, but neither of them pick up the colors | 01:07 |
| ali1234 | is it using the standard hid device? | 01:08 |
| ali1234 | check dmesg | 01:08 |
| Azelphur | what am I looking for in dmesg? evtest says that both devices are a mouse xD | 01:09 |
| dwatkins | daftykins: no, I don't think the set designer with my name is aware I exist - hopefully he hasn't lost any work as a result of giving out the wrong e-mail address - I did tell the people involved | 01:10 |
| daftykins | dwatkins: heh, set designer? for films etc? | 01:14 |
| dwatkins | daftykins: yeah, I think so - you can even look up the other Dominic Watkins on imdb. | 01:16 |
| dwatkins | This is not me: http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0914291/ | 01:17 |
| dwatkins | oh sorry, Production Designer and Art Director | 01:18 |
| penguin42 | you mean you weren't born into a family of legendary stilton makers? | 01:19 |
| dwatkins | hehe no | 01:19 |
| daftykins | i'd have totally asked for free cheese :( | 02:10 |
| daftykins | http://i.imgur.com/IAAao.jpg | 03:06 |
| daftykins | aww yeah, a bit of old Peculier | 03:06 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:31 |
| daftykins | heyup | 10:32 |
| * daftykins tips hat | 10:32 | |
| brobostigon | morning daftykins | 10:32 |
| jacobw | morning | 10:36 |
| brobostigon | morning jacobw | 10:36 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 10:54 |
| brobostigon | morning AlanBell | 10:54 |
| jacobw | how the festive period? | 10:57 |
| daubers | Morning | 11:16 |
| daftykins | daubers: yo | 11:19 |
| daftykins | daubers: the lovely situ you'd enjoy is the dying of 4 disks at once in an 8-disk RAID6 :> | 11:19 |
| daftykins | 1500 bad sectors on one, 50-ish on a second, ECC error on a third and ~12 bad sectors on a fourth | 11:19 |
| daftykins | aww ye | 11:19 |
| daubers | daftykins: Lovely! Hope you had a backup :) | 11:20 |
| daftykins | 8D for the important stuff yup. client elected not to be worried about backing up the 6TB of imaged DVD films of his collection | 11:21 |
| daubers | heh :) | 11:21 |
| daftykins | it may still be rescued mind, waiting on RMA's from WD | 11:21 |
| daubers | Good luck | 11:21 |
| daftykins | ^_^ thanks | 11:21 |
| daubers | That's the reason I tend to not use WD drives. I've seen that happen a few times in RAIDs of WD | 11:22 |
| daftykins | aww :( | 11:22 |
| daftykins | they seem the best for warranty length still | 11:22 |
| daftykins | they're WD2002FYPS' that are going wonky | 11:22 |
| daftykins | they email'd to ask if it's alright that the replacements will be WD2003FYYS :> | 11:22 |
| daftykins | bit of a laugh to ask imo | 11:22 |
| daubers | heh :) | 11:23 |
| daftykins | i'm not even sure the approach i might take | 11:23 |
| daftykins | i guess pull just the worst hit with bad sectors to start, and watch it rebuild | 11:24 |
| daftykins | then pull the next worst, etc | 11:24 |
| daftykins | i suppose with the double parity of 6, i could pull two at once and rebuild, but something about it seems risky | 11:24 |
| daubers | Yeah. You should get away with just 12 bad sectors on one of them | 11:24 |
| daubers | I'd do it one at a time! | 11:25 |
| daubers | Just in case | 11:25 |
| daftykins | :) | 11:25 |
| daftykins | ta | 11:25 |
| daftykins | once they eventually show up :D | 11:25 |
| daubers | I have rescued RAIDs in that kind of state by DD'ing a bad-ish disk to a good one before | 11:26 |
| daubers | Sometimes works | 11:26 |
| daftykins | ah-har | 11:26 |
| daftykins | full on dd or that dd-rescue that can dance over bad sectors? | 11:27 |
| daubers | dd-rescue might be better in this instance | 11:27 |
| daubers | I've used both at times :) | 11:27 |
| daftykins | he's considering getting more storage next | 11:28 |
| daftykins | though now this has happened he might be put off, as i advertised it as a nice safe system XD | 11:28 |
| SuperEngineer | daftykins: FIO... www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm some claim superb results but zero experience of it myself | 11:28 |
| daftykins | mmm i know the name | 11:29 |
| daubers | I've used both at times :) For a "safe" RAID I'd use different batches of drives from different manufacturers. For a fast RAID I'd use matched. | 11:29 |
| daftykins | thanks | 11:29 |
| daubers | Hmm, silly keyboard | 11:30 |
| daubers | Could do with a new one in the sales | 11:30 |
| daftykins | i'm almost curious as to whether the WD Red drives are worth considering, only 3 yr warranty as opposed to enterprise grade 5yr though | 11:30 |
| daftykins | and... would mean going WD again ;) | 11:30 |
| daubers | I'd get Hitachi ones.... | 11:31 |
| daubers | Hitachi 2TB enterprise drives seem to be quite reliable. 3TB are ok, but we see a lot of those fail in the first year or so | 11:31 |
| daubers | Though I doubt your customer is abusing it as much as our end users do... | 11:32 |
| daftykins | :D | 11:32 |
| daftykins | nah just mass media storage really | 11:33 |
| daubers | :) | 11:33 |
| daftykins | in some ways i wonder if i shouldn't be running ECC RAM hosts | 11:33 |
| daftykins | i'll have to do some burn-in too | 11:35 |
| daubers | Doesn't make much difference tbh. Mostly with these things it depends how good the RAID cards are, and to some extents your CPU and NICs | 11:35 |
| daftykins | interesting | 11:36 |
| * daubers turns off the reprap | 11:40 | |
| popey | pip pip | 12:39 |
| penguin42 | hey Popey | 12:43 |
| dutchie | o/ | 14:12 |
| solarcloud | Afternoonings. | 14:17 |
| solarcloud | Bannana's & Frosted SHredded Wheat,300grm = 70p + 32p from Tesco = Good addition to Order list ( Not a euphamism ). | 14:20 |
| popey | bigcalm, http://blog.gitlabhq.com/gitlab-4-release/ | 14:46 |
| MartijnVdS | Some festive music :) https://soundcloud.com/ed-harcourt/the-devil-came-down-the-chimney | 15:37 |
| AlanBell | that is rather good MartijnVdS | 15:43 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: Ed Harcourt makes nice music :) | 15:43 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: waiting for his new album | 15:44 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | Wikimapia .. never a good import .. http://goo.gl/nMzOk | 16:55 |
| directhex | moo | 16:59 |
| cliftonts | hi all, anyone have any ideas for a laptop which has worked fine until an upgrade to 12.10 and now the GPU runs hot? | 17:01 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | cliftonts, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221162835313?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 bit like this one .. http://goo.gl/3cFDQ | 17:04 |
| popey | cliftonts, what make/model of laptop? | 17:04 |
| cliftonts | no idea what I should be looking at there solarcloud | 17:05 |
| cliftonts | dell studio 1557 | 17:05 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | cliftonts, You didn't click both links :( | 17:05 |
| cliftonts | we had cpu scaling issues in 12.04 but that seems ok now | 17:05 |
| cliftonts | there were two links? | 17:06 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | there you go ... | 17:06 |
| popey | cliftonts, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1553968 | 17:07 |
| SuperEngineer | AlanBell, popey re the discussion on -discuss atm. I've watched the questions for a couple of days now, can't get the word "journalist" out of my mind | 17:07 |
| popey | eh? | 17:07 |
| cliftonts | solarcloud I see 2 laptops for sale, what does that have to do with me? | 17:07 |
| cliftonts | Thanks popey | 17:08 |
| solarcloud_3scrn | cliftonts, "anyone have any ideas for a laptop" .. guess i missread .. You should have said 'used' laptop. :) | 17:08 |
| cliftonts | I think you're beating up the wrong bush entirely solarcloud | 17:22 |
| cliftonts | Looks like it's sorted anyway | 17:33 |
| cliftonts | seems the frequency scaling had died | 17:33 |
| ubuntubhoy | AlanBell: did you update your shopper extension to include the price ? | 18:05 |
| AlanBell | I did, yes | 18:07 |
| AlanBell | oh, didn't update the zip file probably | 18:07 |
| AlanBell | I also got it to connect to my server over https | 18:07 |
| ubuntubhoy | fancy throwing it out again ? | 18:09 |
| neuro | mornin all | 18:29 |
| popey | lo | 18:34 |
| AlanBell | ubuntubhoy: sure, I will do an update later | 18:41 |
| AlanBell | popey: doing your christmas shopping tomorrow? | 18:41 |
| * neuro wonders if ubuntubhoy is an actual Bhoy | 18:41 | |
| directhex | moo moo | 18:41 |
| neuro | ancients of | 18:41 |
| popey | AlanBell, yup | 18:42 |
| ubuntubhoy | neuro: very much so - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C. | 18:42 |
| ubuntubhoy | AlanBell: cheers | 18:43 |
| neuro | mon the hoops :) | 18:43 |
| ubuntubhoy | :D | 18:43 |
| neuro | looking forward to juve in feb | 18:44 |
| ubuntubhoy | yip | 18:44 |
| ubuntubhoy | kinda think we have a chance | 18:44 |
| ubuntubhoy | albeit a slight one | 18:44 |
| neuro | me too but don't want to get hopes up | 18:44 |
| ubuntubhoy | yeah | 18:44 |
| neuro | kinda puts all the politics rubbish from the league into perspective :) | 18:45 |
| neuro | last 16 baby! | 18:45 |
| ubuntubhoy | haha | 18:45 |
| ubuntubhoy | miss the old firm games though | 18:46 |
| neuro | i don't actually | 18:46 |
| neuro | i don't miss glasgow turning into a fear zone for 24h | 18:47 |
| neuro | i don't miss the eejits in the stands | 18:47 |
| neuro | i don't miss the gers trying to foul their way to a win | 18:47 |
| neuro | granted the spl may be less "exciting", but we have the champs league to make up for it | 18:47 |
| ubuntubhoy | see, I work in a pub, and I always hated old firm days | 18:48 |
| neuro | and with the gers out the way, it gives the other spl teams a chance to reach the CL and europa | 18:48 |
| ubuntubhoy | but I do miss that buzz in the belly | 18:48 |
| neuro | so they get a nice spread of the cash and the attention | 18:48 |
| ubuntubhoy | I agree with that | 18:48 |
| ubuntubhoy | but maybe a little cup final in may to pump them | 18:48 |
| neuro | and moar cash into the spl means moar good players being either trained up or bought in | 18:48 |
| neuro | i'd prefer the former, obviously | 18:49 |
| neuro | grassroots++ | 18:49 |
| ubuntubhoy | yeah | 18:49 |
| neuro | aye, cup final would be good actually :) | 18:49 |
| neuro | i must admit | 18:49 |
| ubuntubhoy | yip | 18:49 |
| neuro | cos right now they're on easy street (ish) | 18:49 |
| neuro | i say ish because look at their away record :D | 18:49 |
| neuro | anyway, don't want to hassle all these good ubuntu people with fitba talk, just glad to see a fellow tim in attendance | 18:50 |
| ubuntubhoy | +1 ^^ | 18:50 |
| neuro | oh it's a grand old game to play for ... etc ;) | 18:50 |
| ubuntubhoy | haha | 18:51 |
| neuro | WHEN! | 18:51 |
| neuro | YOU KNOW! | 18:51 |
| neuro | THE HISTORY! | 18:51 |
| neuro | hearing that in parkhead being sung by like 50,000 people always gives me the goose bumps | 18:51 |
| neuro | ANYWAY, he said not talking about football anymore ... :) | 18:51 |
| neuro | anyone know of any good ubuntu/puppet tutorials? | 18:52 |
| neuro | i'm pondering redoing my home infra from scratch and figure it might be a good way to learn | 18:52 |
| neuro | new years resolution, replace crusty old 8.04->10.04 bastion host and 10.04 dhcp server :) | 18:53 |
| * neuro takes the silence as a 'no' :) | 18:56 | |
| cliftonts | evening all. Anybody have any idea why the python command 'from serial.tools import list_ports' is producing the error 'ImportError: No module named tools'? | 18:57 |
| === OmNomLeJambon is now known as GentileBen | ||
| directhex | hm, gaming press is ablaze with stories about ubuntu | 19:13 |
| popey | stories full of assumption and misunderstanding | 19:17 |
| bashrc | scurrilous rumours? | 19:19 |
| penguin42 | popey: How far out from London are you to need to get up at 6? | 19:27 |
| popey | farnborough | 19:27 |
| popey | need time for brekkie, dress kids etc :) | 19:28 |
| directhex | popey, can't go wrong with a good scandal | 19:28 |
| penguin42 | heck, you're practically next to London already | 19:29 |
| popey | hah | 19:29 |
| penguin42 | not like getting there from Manc | 19:29 |
| penguin42 | as a kid I remember we took one of the old really slow night trains down in the summer, it was great, got in about 5-6am when it was still very quiet, wondered around pretty much deserted landmarks | 19:31 |
| directhex | i've been quite tempted by a night train to europe through the alps | 19:33 |
| directhex | like to italy or something | 19:34 |
| directhex | we don't want to fly with the baby until he's old enough that we're not The Parents Flying With A Baby | 19:34 |
| AlanBell | 18 then | 20:01 |
| AlanBell | popey: I am going to london too I think, but you will probably be there before me : | 20:03 |
| popey | I'm leaving ~7am | 20:03 |
| penguin42 | some of the sales have already started in Manc, I guess London as well - most will probably start boxing day though | 20:13 |
| penguin42 | (I'm one jumper and two towels and one pack of labels into the sales so far :-) | 20:19 |
| AlanBell | we don't have any shopping to do, I am just taking one or possibly two offspring up to look around and do touristy stuff perhaps | 20:24 |
| ubuntubhoy | insult the locals, and have your wallet stolen ?? | 20:50 |
| bigcalm | Good evening peeps :) | 22:20 |
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