[00:01] Just found excellent workaround: $ xrandr --output LVDS1 --panning 1024x800 [00:01] what does --panning do ? [00:01] Now have extra 200 lines of "virtual" desktop [00:01] ah, that [00:01] penguin42, it makes your desktop larger than your physical display, moving mouse to edge pans view [00:05] ok [00:05] happy Christmas Eve's Eve all >:) [00:06] * penguin42 pre-jingles [00:06] ^_^ [00:06] Here in Mexico it is still the 22nd [00:08] :) [00:17] I need to install Ubuntu on an early Intel mac mini. I guess the standard amd64 CD image will work - is there a more appropriate one to use? [00:18] wouldn't have thought so, could be worth trying to hit up some guides though [00:18] googling's actually made me less sure that it should work [00:18] have you got finite CD-R's? [00:19] yeah, but I have a USB stick and unetbootin [00:20] ah [00:20] I don't have an apple keyboard which I think did confuse things with this machine once before [00:20] i suppose you'll have to see how friendly the EFI is :) [00:20] Lots of people reckon it'll Just Work on recent Apple hardware and I don't suppose BIOS emulation's something they've particularly worked on [00:20] ah [00:20] haha, yeah [00:20] BigRedS: I'm not sure you can get to the boot on them without an apple keyboard [00:21] BigRedS: Also, just check it's 64bit, I'm fairly sure the first Intel macs were 32bit only [00:21] alt should work fine, that's your key to hold down for different boot devices [00:22] unetbootin may confuse issues more than it doesn't. their bios emulation only targets a few narrow use-cases [00:23] penguin42: it's a c2d I think. But it does have a working OS, so it's worth checking for certain [00:23] shauno: I guess it's basically there for Windows to work? [00:24] they didn't have bios emulation on the 1st ones [00:24] right. so it'll do legacy-emulation from internal optical, bios/mbr emulation from internal hdd, and usb may as well not exist [00:24] ahhh [00:24] cool [00:24] better get some CDs tomorrow! [00:25] ymmv, of course, just don't give up straight away if unetbootin doesn't render bootable results [00:32] wow, asked my friends in the US to text that guy that kept signing me up to his email. he gave them a call and it turns out *drumroll* his email is mine with '8' on the end :> [00:33] oops signing my email up to his stuff, rather [00:33] daftykins: so he just keeps getting his e-mail address wrong? [00:33] * dwatkins suspects this is the case with his namesake [00:34] seems it somehow gets lost in translation either over the phone or in person at shops [00:34] as i'm a Dave, i see spam for 'Dotty', requests for 'Dustin' (this guy) to go and provide after-school tuition for kids [00:35] in the past i discovered some other guy who i managed to find the real email for, somehow, who then started asking me what my family tree was like to see if we were related [00:35] think that was a Daniel [00:35] heh [00:36] definitely seems interesting being quick on a new email service (this was gmail back in the early invite days) [00:37] dwatkins: do you get something similar? :) [00:38] I used to quite persistently get something similar. although my address was first.last, and although we shared a surname, this chap called kevin kept using my address [00:38] ! weird [00:39] heh, oops sorry lubotu3 :P [00:39] eventually he had it attached to his vodafone account, so I logged in and sent him a webtext from his own number asking him to quit it. and he did [00:40] :D [00:40] i've heard that so many times, you eventually have to just use their accounts ja [00:40] this time i got a Best Buy email with his mobile # so i just set about trying to contact :D [00:41] well when it's the only communication you have with them, it's the only avenue past simply ignoring it [00:50] is it possible to disable Unity's behaviour on hitting alt? [00:52] yes [00:53] it's done in ccsm [00:53] ah, I dn't have that installed as I wasn't sure if it worked [00:53] it does [00:53] 99% of configuration of unity is done there [00:53] I had 'MyUnity', which served to sort some things [00:54] that's useless [00:54] it just hits some of the same config keys [00:57] ooh, toys [00:57] any idea which setting governs that? [00:57] what, the alt key? "key to show the HUD" or something [00:57] oh, got it [00:58] i can't check because i don't have unity plugin installed [00:58] s'fine [00:59] now alt does nothing, which isn't brilliant, but certainly better than it was [00:59] well you can map it to a different plugin quite easily [00:59] what do you want it to do? [00:59] open the first menu on selected window? [00:59] essentially, yes [00:59] 'do what it has done since Windows was invented' [00:59] hmm [00:59] yeah would be nice [01:00] that might be the one thing it can't do [01:00] well, nothing is closer to what i want than the HUD is, so I'll survive [01:00] yeah i disabled it too [01:00] I wouldn't mind so much, if it took less than 4 seconds to show up [01:01] then i forgot because i never even accidentally activated it [01:01] i reported a bug about that the day after it was released [01:01] I'm using a Mac keyboard, which means i hit the wrong button fairly frequently [01:03] ali1234: that remote of mine, the color buttons don't even show up when I'm catting /dev/input/eventx, is it meant to do that? [01:03] i think showing first menu by alt would be a gtk responsibility (or qt or whatever) [01:03] Azelphur: i dunno. at the very least you should see "unknown event" [01:04] or "unmapped key" or "unknown key" errors or something [01:04] I'm doing cat /dev/input/eventX and looking at it raw, it shows up for the number keys, but nothing at all for the colors [01:04] well don't do that [01:04] use evtest or whatever [01:04] and look at the driver too [01:04] look at the hid descriptors [01:05] this is all same as we did on the g19 stuff [01:05] yea, it doesn't show up in evtest either [01:05] indeed, it's similar, not sure how to look at hid descriptors though. [01:06] this is interesting...the volume control keys on the remote work [01:06] but they don't show up in evtest [01:07] the remote is split into two devices, haha, but neither of them pick up the colors [01:08] is it using the standard hid device? [01:08] check dmesg [01:09] what am I looking for in dmesg? evtest says that both devices are a mouse xD [01:10] daftykins: no, I don't think the set designer with my name is aware I exist - hopefully he hasn't lost any work as a result of giving out the wrong e-mail address - I did tell the people involved [01:14] dwatkins: heh, set designer? for films etc? [01:16] daftykins: yeah, I think so - you can even look up the other Dominic Watkins on imdb. [01:17] This is not me: http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0914291/ [01:18] oh sorry, Production Designer and Art Director [01:19] you mean you weren't born into a family of legendary stilton makers? [01:19] hehe no [02:10] i'd have totally asked for free cheese :( [03:06] http://i.imgur.com/IAAao.jpg [03:06] aww yeah, a bit of old Peculier === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:31] good morning everyone, [10:32] heyup [10:32] * daftykins tips hat [10:32] morning daftykins [10:36] morning [10:36] morning jacobw [10:54] morning all [10:54] morning AlanBell [10:57] how the festive period? [11:16] Morning [11:19] daubers: yo [11:19] daubers: the lovely situ you'd enjoy is the dying of 4 disks at once in an 8-disk RAID6 :> [11:19] 1500 bad sectors on one, 50-ish on a second, ECC error on a third and ~12 bad sectors on a fourth [11:19] aww ye [11:20] daftykins: Lovely! Hope you had a backup :) [11:21] 8D for the important stuff yup. client elected not to be worried about backing up the 6TB of imaged DVD films of his collection [11:21] heh :) [11:21] it may still be rescued mind, waiting on RMA's from WD [11:21] Good luck [11:21] ^_^ thanks [11:22] That's the reason I tend to not use WD drives. I've seen that happen a few times in RAIDs of WD [11:22] aww :( [11:22] they seem the best for warranty length still [11:22] they're WD2002FYPS' that are going wonky [11:22] they email'd to ask if it's alright that the replacements will be WD2003FYYS :> [11:22] bit of a laugh to ask imo [11:23] heh :) [11:23] i'm not even sure the approach i might take [11:24] i guess pull just the worst hit with bad sectors to start, and watch it rebuild [11:24] then pull the next worst, etc [11:24] i suppose with the double parity of 6, i could pull two at once and rebuild, but something about it seems risky [11:24] Yeah. You should get away with just 12 bad sectors on one of them [11:25] I'd do it one at a time! [11:25] Just in case [11:25] :) [11:25] ta [11:25] once they eventually show up :D [11:26] I have rescued RAIDs in that kind of state by DD'ing a bad-ish disk to a good one before [11:26] Sometimes works [11:26] ah-har [11:27] full on dd or that dd-rescue that can dance over bad sectors? [11:27] dd-rescue might be better in this instance [11:27] I've used both at times :) [11:28] he's considering getting more storage next [11:28] though now this has happened he might be put off, as i advertised it as a nice safe system XD [11:28] daftykins: FIO... www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm some claim superb results but zero experience of it myself [11:29] mmm i know the name [11:29] I've used both at times :) For a "safe" RAID I'd use different batches of drives from different manufacturers. For a fast RAID I'd use matched. [11:29] thanks [11:30] Hmm, silly keyboard [11:30] Could do with a new one in the sales [11:30] i'm almost curious as to whether the WD Red drives are worth considering, only 3 yr warranty as opposed to enterprise grade 5yr though [11:30] and... would mean going WD again ;) [11:31] I'd get Hitachi ones.... [11:31] Hitachi 2TB enterprise drives seem to be quite reliable. 3TB are ok, but we see a lot of those fail in the first year or so [11:32] Though I doubt your customer is abusing it as much as our end users do... [11:32] :D [11:33] nah just mass media storage really [11:33] :) [11:33] in some ways i wonder if i shouldn't be running ECC RAM hosts [11:35] i'll have to do some burn-in too [11:35] Doesn't make much difference tbh. Mostly with these things it depends how good the RAID cards are, and to some extents your CPU and NICs [11:36] interesting [11:40] * daubers turns off the reprap [12:39] pip pip [12:43] hey Popey [14:12] o/ [14:17] Afternoonings. [14:20] Bannana's & Frosted SHredded Wheat,300grm = 70p + 32p from Tesco = Good addition to Order list ( Not a euphamism ). [14:46] bigcalm, http://blog.gitlabhq.com/gitlab-4-release/ [15:37] Some festive music :) https://soundcloud.com/ed-harcourt/the-devil-came-down-the-chimney [15:43] that is rather good MartijnVdS [15:43] AlanBell: Ed Harcourt makes nice music :) [15:44] AlanBell: waiting for his new album [16:55] Wikimapia .. never a good import .. http://goo.gl/nMzOk [16:59] moo [17:01] hi all, anyone have any ideas for a laptop which has worked fine until an upgrade to 12.10 and now the GPU runs hot? [17:04] cliftonts, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221162835313?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 bit like this one .. http://goo.gl/3cFDQ [17:04] cliftonts, what make/model of laptop? [17:05] no idea what I should be looking at there solarcloud [17:05] dell studio 1557 [17:05] cliftonts, You didn't click both links :( [17:05] we had cpu scaling issues in 12.04 but that seems ok now [17:06] there were two links? [17:06] there you go ... [17:07] cliftonts, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1553968 [17:07] AlanBell, popey re the discussion on -discuss atm. I've watched the questions for a couple of days now, can't get the word "journalist" out of my mind [17:07] eh? [17:07] solarcloud I see 2 laptops for sale, what does that have to do with me? [17:08] Thanks popey [17:08] cliftonts, "anyone have any ideas for a laptop" .. guess i missread .. You should have said 'used' laptop. :) [17:22] I think you're beating up the wrong bush entirely solarcloud [17:33] Looks like it's sorted anyway [17:33] seems the frequency scaling had died [18:05] AlanBell: did you update your shopper extension to include the price ? [18:07] I did, yes [18:07] oh, didn't update the zip file probably [18:07] I also got it to connect to my server over https [18:09] fancy throwing it out again ? [18:29] mornin all [18:34] lo [18:41] ubuntubhoy: sure, I will do an update later [18:41] popey: doing your christmas shopping tomorrow? [18:41] * neuro wonders if ubuntubhoy is an actual Bhoy [18:41] moo moo [18:41] ancients of [18:42] AlanBell, yup [18:42] neuro: very much so - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C. [18:43] AlanBell: cheers [18:43] mon the hoops :) [18:43] :D [18:44] looking forward to juve in feb [18:44] yip [18:44] kinda think we have a chance [18:44] albeit a slight one [18:44] me too but don't want to get hopes up [18:44] yeah [18:45] kinda puts all the politics rubbish from the league into perspective :) [18:45] last 16 baby! [18:45] haha [18:46] miss the old firm games though [18:46] i don't actually [18:47] i don't miss glasgow turning into a fear zone for 24h [18:47] i don't miss the eejits in the stands [18:47] i don't miss the gers trying to foul their way to a win [18:47] granted the spl may be less "exciting", but we have the champs league to make up for it [18:48] see, I work in a pub, and I always hated old firm days [18:48] and with the gers out the way, it gives the other spl teams a chance to reach the CL and europa [18:48] but I do miss that buzz in the belly [18:48] so they get a nice spread of the cash and the attention [18:48] I agree with that [18:48] but maybe a little cup final in may to pump them [18:48] and moar cash into the spl means moar good players being either trained up or bought in [18:49] i'd prefer the former, obviously [18:49] grassroots++ [18:49] yeah [18:49] aye, cup final would be good actually :) [18:49] i must admit [18:49] yip [18:49] cos right now they're on easy street (ish) [18:49] i say ish because look at their away record :D [18:50] anyway, don't want to hassle all these good ubuntu people with fitba talk, just glad to see a fellow tim in attendance [18:50] +1 ^^ [18:50] oh it's a grand old game to play for ... etc ;) [18:51] haha [18:51] WHEN! [18:51] YOU KNOW! [18:51] THE HISTORY! [18:51] hearing that in parkhead being sung by like 50,000 people always gives me the goose bumps [18:51] ANYWAY, he said not talking about football anymore ... :) [18:52] anyone know of any good ubuntu/puppet tutorials? [18:52] i'm pondering redoing my home infra from scratch and figure it might be a good way to learn [18:53] new years resolution, replace crusty old 8.04->10.04 bastion host and 10.04 dhcp server :) [18:56] * neuro takes the silence as a 'no' :) [18:57] evening all. Anybody have any idea why the python command 'from serial.tools import list_ports' is producing the error 'ImportError: No module named tools'? === OmNomLeJambon is now known as GentileBen [19:13] hm, gaming press is ablaze with stories about ubuntu [19:17] stories full of assumption and misunderstanding [19:19] scurrilous rumours? [19:27] popey: How far out from London are you to need to get up at 6? [19:27] farnborough [19:28] need time for brekkie, dress kids etc :) [19:28] popey, can't go wrong with a good scandal [19:29] heck, you're practically next to London already [19:29] hah [19:29] not like getting there from Manc [19:31] as a kid I remember we took one of the old really slow night trains down in the summer, it was great, got in about 5-6am when it was still very quiet, wondered around pretty much deserted landmarks [19:33] i've been quite tempted by a night train to europe through the alps [19:34] like to italy or something [19:34] we don't want to fly with the baby until he's old enough that we're not The Parents Flying With A Baby [20:01] 18 then [20:03] popey: I am going to london too I think, but you will probably be there before me : [20:03] I'm leaving ~7am [20:13] some of the sales have already started in Manc, I guess London as well - most will probably start boxing day though [20:19] (I'm one jumper and two towels and one pack of labels into the sales so far :-) [20:24] we don't have any shopping to do, I am just taking one or possibly two offspring up to look around and do touristy stuff perhaps [20:50] insult the locals, and have your wallet stolen ?? [22:20] Good evening peeps :)