[09:56] <solarcloud_3scrn> That tme when your postman says you've a small package over the intercom :priceless; but then you it from the National Sports Centre asking for your *subs* & clicks: for everything else there's a FSWheat+Bannana Bowl. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=-4.50535774230957&minlat=54.1520500183105&maxlon=-4.5037317276001&maxlat=54.153392791748
[10:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:28] <kvarley> brobostigon: \0
[10:32] <brobostigon> morning kvarley
[10:32] <kvarley> brobostigon: How goes it?
[10:33] <brobostigon> kvarley: crap, i hate having my personal space invaded by aliens. and you?
[10:34] <kvarley> brobostigon: Hehe. Pretty good, just got some good code done :)
[10:34] <brobostigon> kvarley: :)
[10:35] <brobostigon> i just feel like crawling into a hole with wifi for the next week.
[10:35] <kvarley> brobostigon: Family festiveness well and truly underway then?
[10:36] <brobostigon> kvarley: yes, and i hate it. i dont like the busy, i would rather have nice calm and quiet.
[10:38] <kvarley> brobostigon: hehe, it'll be over soon enough
[10:39] <brobostigon> kvarley: yes, in the meantime, i will be on edge, and in total panic,
[10:39] <brobostigon> and my sleep will be disturbed etc.
[12:01] <bigcalm_laptop> Good morning peeps :)
[12:04] <brobostigon> good afternoon bigcalm_laptop
[12:04] <brobostigon> :)
[12:05] <bigcalm_laptop> Aha, life!
[12:05] <bigcalm_laptop> How are you brobostigon ?
[12:06] <brobostigon> bigcalm_laptop: could be better, i dont like aliens invading my personal space, otherwise fine, and you?
[12:06] <bigcalm_laptop> Ah, family visiting?
[12:06] <brobostigon> yes.
[12:07] <bigcalm_laptop> Heh
[12:08] <brobostigon> bigcalm_laptop: worse, if having more people around, messes with my routines, which is very disturbing.
[12:20] <penguin42> anyone else getting spam to do with travel stuff from a different .co.uk domain each day signed off by 'Brought to you by an affiliate of Distinguished Traveller' - very difficult to spot
[12:20]  * penguin42 has had to add an explicit spamassassin rule for it
[12:22] <bigcalm_laptop> Not me
[12:24] <penguin42> very annoying, they seem to be beating both spamassassin and crm114 for me
[15:21] <popey> Afternoon all.
[15:23] <kvarley> popey: Buy much this morning?
[16:20] <penguin42> popey: And how was London?
[16:27] <popey> fun
[16:27] <AlanBell> I didn't go in the end, I was outvoted
[17:52] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[17:57] <penguin42> hey BC
[17:57] <popey> yay, saw ISS
[17:58] <penguin42> oh nice
[17:58] <bashrc> with a telescope?
[17:58]  * penguin42 has seen it once with naked eye
[18:04] <mgdm> I saw it a ocuple of weeks ago with no scope or anything
[18:05] <mgdm> it was the brightest thing in the sky
[18:06] <mgdm> saw an Iridium flare shortly before that too - it was hard to miss :)
[18:11] <penguin42> it's pretty easy - very bright, and slow moving but is moving
[18:31] <bigcalm> Cool
[18:31] <bigcalm> popey: 10" touch screen works really well with RPi :)
[18:32] <brobostigon> my brother is going to be a father next august, so uncle brobostigon here i come.
[18:32] <popey> yeah, we saw it with no aid
[18:32] <bigcalm> 2 things left to do: 1) get DSLR to take a photo via USB, 2) learn Python :S
[18:35] <penguin42> bigcalm: It's interesting a lot of the cheap cameras don't seem to be able to trigger via usb, although I don't know why - maybe they can but it's not documented
[18:36] <bigcalm> penguin42: I'm hoping to be able to do it with CHDK
[18:36] <penguin42> ch?
[18:36] <bigcalm> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/350D
[18:37] <penguin42> ah, posh canon
[18:37] <bigcalm> Quite old now
[18:53] <mgdm> didn't think the 350D could run CHDK
[18:53] <mgdm> can gphoto not trigger it?
[18:53] <mgdm> gphoto on the 400D can shoot but not download the photo properly - but that's fine, it's on the camera's card
[18:53] <mgdm> bigcalm: see above :
[19:01] <bigcalm> mgdm: not tried gphoto yet. Though this needs to be a fully automated process
[19:02] <bigcalm> User presses a touch screen button. DSLR takes photo. Controlling computer downloads photo from camera's memory for external storage
[19:02] <mgdm> Oh, I know what you're doing :-)
[19:02] <mgdm> I suspect gphoto might handle it with some massaging
[19:03] <mgdm> without CHDK
[19:06] <bigcalm> I'll have a look, ta
[19:06] <bigcalm> Oh, and it all needs to work in a RPi ;)
[19:08] <mgdm> oh run
[19:08] <mgdm> oh, fun
[19:08] <bigcalm> mgdm: https://twitter.com/i/#!/bigcalm/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FcP26Iay1
[19:09] <bigcalm> mgdm: most things work so far. As I say, it's just the DSLR and python thing to learn
[19:13] <bigcalm> I seem to be struggling to find gphoto on this system. usc says that it's installed though
[19:31] <penguin42> bigcalm: How do you interface the chocolate buttons to the system?
[19:32] <daftykins> penguin42: XD
[19:37] <penguin42> daftykins: I get they fit in an SD card slot
[19:37] <penguin42> bet
[19:37] <daftykins> :D
[19:37] <daftykins> nah, they're the power+reset 'buttons' ;)
[19:41] <penguin42> definitely thinks he can be powered off chocolate buttons
[19:46]  * DJones has found an ipad that he wants, http://www.very.co.uk/chocolate-ipad/1157072458.prd
[19:47] <penguin42> DJones: Do you think it has an apple filling?
[19:47] <solarcloud> Happy Holidays Everyone .. here's from inside the-amd MegaTri-Core ..
[19:47] <solarcloud> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/cooil.org.eu/Happy%20Holidays%20to%20All%20at%20the%20Ubuntu%20Podcast%20team%2C%20Open%20sourcerer%2C%20UK-L.u.g%27s%20and%20Co..PNG
[19:47] <penguin42> (Chocolate & Apple is very rare - I've had pear chocolate, and that was really nice - but we don't seem to do chocolate and orchard fruits in the UK)
[19:48] <daftykins> it's chocolate, but is it free?
[19:48] <DJones> open source chocolate?
[19:48]  * penguin42 prefers open chocolate sauce
[19:48] <daftykins> ^_^
[19:49]  * solarcloud saw a tin for that !
[19:50]  * solarcloud is away: /me requires JuanValdez. BRBack...  now for that tin ...
[20:11] <Azelphur> Fresh Ubuntu 12.10 install, unity isn't starting, ideas?
[20:13] <daftykins> it's saving you from having to encounter it
[20:13] <daftykins> ;)
[20:13] <zleap> zleap, does it work from a live cd,  is your graphics hard ware good enough for unity
[20:13] <Azelphur> think I figured it old, old radeon driver with a new card :P
[20:13] <daftykins> ^_^
[20:14] <daftykins> Azelphur: was it a vast improvement moving to AMD card(s)? how do you have all those screens of yours hooked up these days, DVI?
[20:16] <Azelphur> daftykins: not mine, PC I built for a friend
[20:16] <daftykins> ah
[20:54] <penguin42> Azelphur: Was it you who go the cheap 55" ?
[20:54] <daftykins> it was him!
[20:54]  * penguin42 was curious how it worked out
[21:02] <daftykins> seems pretty good on the pics he had decked out, in that it was real and shows a picture :D
[21:03] <penguin42> always a bonus
[21:03] <daftykins> heh i was around a friends last night, they'd fallen down the usual trap of buying a cable router instead of an ADSL router
[21:04] <daftykins> so to use it temporarily they were having to bridge it through the existing old one, which has had wireless go quirky apparently
[21:08] <daftykins> nasty nasty ^_^
[21:08] <daftykins> i decided to reconfigure it for them though, no need to double NAT
[21:08] <ali1234> there is no reason for that to fail to work
[21:09] <daftykins> nah they just kept having it drop
[21:09] <ali1234> if correctly configure
[21:09] <ali1234> well that's wireless netwrking for you
[21:09] <daftykins> sure is
[21:09] <daftykins> give me cables any day
[21:10] <ali1234> bluetooth is quite reliable even if it is slow and short range
[21:11] <ali1234> if you have noisy 2.4ghz bluetooth seems to be able to sneak through when wifi + wireless keyboards can't
[21:11] <ali1234> i don't know why
[21:13] <daftykins> well, most implementations share antennas so even having bluetooth enabled is trashing the wireless' chances
[21:14] <penguin42> there was an interesting article I saw from Intel on how USB-3 can completely nuke wireless keyboard/mice unless they get the cable/socket shielding just right
[21:15] <daftykins> ouch!
[21:15] <daftykins> my first instinct would be that that could be down to USB3's higher power spec, but devices have to request that power so a USB 2.0 device wouldn't enable that
[21:17] <penguin42> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/io/universal-serial-bus/usb3-frequency-interference-paper.html
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> Yay scrollwheel doesn't work
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> on that page
[21:18] <penguin42> there's a download pdf link
[21:20] <daftykins> yeah i just opened it like that, that PDF plugin is painful even on Windows
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> anyway.. by the logic of that paper
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> shouldn't it also interfere on the 5GHz wifi band?
[21:22] <penguin42> no, see the graph on p.8
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> where's this wireless usb/UWB at btw? I remember Intel showing it off years ago
[21:25] <penguin42> never seems to have happened
[21:26] <daftykins> what a horrific idea
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_USB
[21:26] <penguin42> daftykins: Why?
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> so you can attach your wifi dongle wirelessly!
[21:27] <daftykins> two of the nastiest techs together :) wireless and USB D:
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: you prefer diesel-powered copper wires?
[21:28] <daftykins> very funny
[21:32] <daftykins> i'd go back to PS/2 for peripherals quite happily :)
[21:33] <penguin42> daftykins: Dunno - having something you can plug anything to is nice
[21:33] <daftykins> yeah, there's that
[21:33] <daftykins> suddenly makes sense why ultraportables have USB 3 on one side and USB2 on the other
[21:33] <penguin42> daftykins: And the fact it doesn't matter which way you plug the mouse/keyboard into - wth PS/2 controllers didn't sort that out is beyond me, electrically they're the same
[21:33] <daftykins> and wireless antennas are often in the screen lid anyway so that's a non-issue
[21:34] <daftykins> indeed
[21:34] <daftykins> USB should work upside down :)
[21:34] <daftykins> have to say, Apple did well on the lightning connector being reversible
[21:36] <penguin42> daftykins: I think there is a ms patent on a reversible USB plug
[21:37] <daftykins> heh
[21:38] <daftykins> i think USB 3 has stopped that being possible now anywho
[21:39] <penguin42> why?
[21:40] <daftykins> because of the way that the USB 3 pins are stacked above the USB 2 ones, you'd have to make a very tall connector to be able to flip up and down
[21:40] <daftykins> that'd probably get costly on both the socket and cable side, perhaps making it prohibitive for makers