[02:12] <cjwatson> blami: it's also not unusual to create snapshot tarballs; I believe/suspect that git-buildpackage can help with that
[02:16] <Bluefoxicy> i just cannot figure tasksel out.
[02:16] <Bluefoxicy> I mean look at the entry for openssh-server in /usr/share/tasksel/ubuntu-tasks.desc
[02:17] <cjwatson> sure, people asked for that 'cos it was handy
[02:17] <Bluefoxicy> Same thing except Task:  puppet, Description:  Puppet configuration agent, Key: puppet, and it ... does nothing.  The option shows up, but it doesn't actually do anything.
[02:18] <Bluefoxicy> changed Package: task-fields to Package: puppet and it works, except gives errors before installing the appropriate package, because it expects another file at /usr/lib/tasksel/packages/puppet
[02:18] <cjwatson> which is probably because you don't have any packages with Task: puppet in your Packages files
[02:18] <Bluefoxicy> ah
[02:18] <cjwatson> pretty sure this is documented in tasksel's readme
[02:18] <Bluefoxicy> so this requires modifying the repository as well
[02:19] <Bluefoxicy> http://fts.ifac.cnr.it/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz here somewhere?
[02:19] <cjwatson> well, if you want to use task-fields, but you don't have to
[02:19] <Bluefoxicy> I probably missed it when I read through
[02:19] <cjwatson> dunno, not going to look now to see if that's vaguely current
[02:19] <Bluefoxicy> no problem, at least I've got vaguely a better understanding now.
[02:20] <Bluefoxicy> Also, any chance of getting puppet and/or chef promoted to main any time soon?
[02:20] <cjwatson> you want "Packages: list", probably, for which therea's an example near the top of the readme.
[02:20] <cjwatson> no idea about that; not something I care about.
[02:21] <Bluefoxicy> heh I have a dozen servers to administrate in an enterprise environment </buzzwords>; it's something *I* care about.
[02:21] <Bluefoxicy> Who in the hell thought up the word "enterprise" anyway?
[02:25]  * Bluefoxicy tries to find the release roadmap for 13.04, and finds Google results like "Ubuntu already scoping out an April release date..." ... uh... it's a 6 month release cycle, always has been, what's special about this?
[04:14] <micahg> Bluefoxicy: puppet is in main
[04:20] <Bluefoxicy> micahg:  .... how does this keep happening to me?
[04:20] <micahg> Bluefoxicy: rmadison puppet :)
[04:20] <Bluefoxicy> that's like the fifth time I've looked at a package, wondered why it's not main, posted to the mailing list, and someone tells me it is indeed in main.
[04:21] <Bluefoxicy> and I look and it is indeed
[04:21] <Bluefoxicy> well then I am going to go post "I am an idiot.  Can we have a tasksel too?"
[04:23]  * micahg doesn't know how those work offhand
[04:23]  * Bluefoxicy already wrote one
[04:26] <Bluefoxicy> http://pastebin.com/6Xqz2KLt This works.  I don't know what "Relevance" does.
[04:30] <Bluefoxicy> huh.
[04:30] <Bluefoxicy> apt puts the proxy stuff in /etc/apt/apt.conf instead of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy
[04:30]  * Bluefoxicy punched in proxy information for his apt-cacher server at the installation prompt on the mini install CD.
[05:22] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: Having tasks for single packages seems silly.
[05:23] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: (And before you quote openssh-server as a precedent, note that that's a pretty rare/special case in that it's installed on 99% of servers, but we don't install services by default, so that was the compromise... puppet's nowhere near as ubiquitous)
[09:28] <cjwatson> Bluefoxicy: pkgsel/include=puppet would probably be way less effort
[10:30] <Bluefoxicy> infinity:  true, i'm not sure the purpose of specifying something in tasksel though.  There's an openssh server task.
[10:44] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: Like I said, openssh is a bit of a special case to make it more prominent in the installer, that's all.
[10:45] <Bluefoxicy> I thought the purpose was to advertise different types of servers that Ubuntu can be, kind of like the Roles installer in Windows 2008 Server
[10:45] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: It was a compromise between "we don't install network services by default" and "everyone expects a server to have SSH running", so people would see it listed right at the top and install it if they needed it.
[10:46] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: The OTHER tasks are for what you say, yes.  But they're larger tasks, not just single packages.
[10:46] <Bluefoxicy> well, having run CentOS/RHEL/Fedora, I can get on board with that
[10:46] <Bluefoxicy> god damn six billion things load at boot and you have a thousand ports open, this is an "enterprise" OS???
[10:47] <infinity> tjaalton: No dice on the Vt-d BIOS disabling.  Just got the lockup again. :/
[10:47] <Bluefoxicy> also it's not right at the top anymore I think
[10:47] <infinity> tjaalton: In the new year, you might need to hand-hold me through some useful debugging for you, if you can't manage to reproduce this, cause it's pretty glaringly unfriendly behaviour for people who aren't me.
[10:47] <Bluefoxicy> tasksel seems to sort alphabetically
[10:48] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: Oh, that may be so.  It's been a while since I've actually looked at that dialog for more than a split second.