[02:17] Hello, so which version of Ubuntu will include the (official) e17 release in it's repos? 13.10? [02:19] there should still be time to include it in 13.04 I would think [02:20] Ahh, excellent. So does 12.10 have emacs 24 available in the repos? (If you don't mind looking :p) [02:21] !info emacs [02:21] emacs (source: emacs-defaults): GNU Emacs editor (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 45.0 (quantal), package size 1 kB, installed size 25 kB [02:21] Version 45?! What does this even mean?! [02:21] means you are running debian with ancient packages? [02:22] This is what I am using: GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2012-10-14 on cw-bkp0, modified by Debian. [02:22] Not default repo though. [02:23] I'm sure if I bothered to run "apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" there may be a new version too - this is running emacs24 testing, but I know emacs24 was "officially" released a few months back. [02:23] I have no idea [20:48] guntbert: I'm here [20:49] DJones: hi, I wanted to ascertain the impressio n that the team for the official documentation seems to mess around with the docs [20:50] things get lost - are moved elswhere - are not updated - and bug reports are not answered - but that all is not appropriate for the supportt channel [20:50] There's been a few things I've been looking for that seem to have vanished or not been updated [20:52] If its of any use, I've just come across this http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/install-desktop-latest [20:52] now if you look at the "new" documentation : https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/ubuntu-help/index.html - does it look appealing? [20:54] ah, your link was got me going on that trip in the first place - scroll down till you get to "more detailed instructions..." and click that link [20:55] I'm probably not a good person to ask that, I'm not great on what looks good & what doesn't.. [20:55] ..But I'd say yes it looks quite good [20:56] DJones: I was not talking "design" but the possibility to find the info I want (mind you: installation is just an example right now) [20:56] Right, give me a sec [21:00] From my own point of view, its fairly simplified point & click options, I'd say aimed at new users rather than anybody who's been using Ubuntu for a few years [21:04] what annoys me is that they seem to do it only halfway - there *exists* a page https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/installation-guide/index.html - but it contains mainly nonsense (there is no alternate CD any more for instance) [21:06] see [21:06] Bug #1090567 [21:06] bug 1090567 in installation-guide (Ubuntu) "https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/installation-guide/ needs editing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1090567 [21:41] I wonder whether they're "pushed" to put details of new & improved features as a priority and tehy just copy over the previous releases templates from older pages