[02:17] <chu> Hello, so which version of Ubuntu will include the (official) e17 release in it's repos? 13.10?
[02:19] <IdleOne> there should still be time to include it in 13.04 I would think
[02:20] <chu> Ahh, excellent. So does 12.10 have emacs 24 available in the repos? (If you don't mind looking :p)
[02:21] <IdleOne> !info emacs
[02:21] <chu> Version 45?! What does this even mean?!
[02:21] <IdleOne> means you are running debian with ancient packages?
[02:22] <chu> This is what I am using: GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2012-10-14 on cw-bkp0, modified by Debian.
[02:22] <chu> Not default repo though.
[02:23] <chu> I'm sure if I bothered to run "apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" there may be a new version too - this is running emacs24 testing, but I know emacs24 was "officially" released a few months back.
[02:23] <IdleOne> I have no idea
[20:48] <DJones> guntbert: I'm here
[20:49] <guntbert> DJones: hi, I wanted to ascertain the impressio n that the team for the official documentation seems to mess around with the docs
[20:50] <guntbert> things get lost - are moved elswhere - are not updated - and bug reports are not answered - but that all is not appropriate for the supportt channel
[20:50] <DJones> There's been a few things I've been looking for that seem to have vanished or not been updated
[20:52] <DJones> If its of any use, I've just come across this http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/install-desktop-latest
[20:52] <guntbert> now if you look at the "new" documentation : https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/ubuntu-help/index.html - does it look appealing?
[20:54] <guntbert> ah, your link was got me going on that trip in the first place - scroll down till you get to "more detailed instructions..." and click that link
[20:55] <DJones> I'm probably not a good person to ask that, I'm not great on what looks good & what doesn't..
[20:55] <DJones> ..But I'd say yes it looks quite good
[20:56] <guntbert> DJones: I was not talking "design" but the possibility to find the info I want (mind you: installation is just an example right now)
[20:56] <DJones> Right, give me a sec
[21:00] <DJones> From my own point of view, its fairly simplified point & click options, I'd say aimed at new users rather than anybody who's been using Ubuntu for a few years
[21:04] <guntbert> what annoys me is that they seem to do it only halfway - there *exists* a page https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/installation-guide/index.html  - but it contains mainly nonsense (there is no alternate CD any more for instance)
[21:06] <guntbert> see
[21:06] <guntbert> Bug #1090567
[21:41] <DJones> I wonder whether they're "pushed" to put details of new & improved features as a priority and tehy just copy over the previous releases templates from older pages