| magespawn | merry christmas every one. | 03:54 |
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| * inetpro wishing you a merry Christmas and good times with families and friends | 05:58 | |
| Kilos | merry christmas everyone | 06:31 |
| mazal | Môre oom Kilos , geseënde Christusfees vir oom | 07:33 |
| Kilos | dankie mazal en selle daar | 07:33 |
| tuxmaster | Merry Christmas to all | 07:35 |
| Kilos | ty tuxmaster same to you | 07:35 |
| mazal | Thanx tuxmaster , sam there | 07:36 |
| mazal | same even | 07:36 |
| * mazal can't spell again :P | 07:36 | |
| mazal | maaz koffie on | 07:38 |
| Maaz | mazal: *blink* | 07:38 |
| mazal | Dan't blink at me , make coffee | 07:38 |
| mazal | Maaz coffee on | 07:38 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 07:38 | |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee please | 07:38 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Righto | 07:38 |
| mazal | Maaz big | 07:38 |
| Maaz | mazal: Huh? | 07:38 |
| Kilos | Maaz, large | 07:38 |
| Maaz | In a beer mug just for you Kilos | 07:38 |
| mazal | Maaz large | 07:38 |
| Maaz | In a beer mug just for you mazal | 07:38 |
| mazal | Maaz with scons | 07:39 |
| Maaz | mazal: *blink* | 07:39 |
| mazal | I picked up a weird samba thing at work hey | 07:40 |
| mazal | Scenario: | 07:41 |
| mazal | Ubuntu server 10.10 with a share for my avupdates for my Win 7 clients | 07:41 |
| mazal | Win 7 clients run a bat file that maps and execute the av update file | 07:41 |
| mazal | Twice a week I dl the update and put in share | 07:41 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for mazal and Kilos! | 07:42 |
| mazal | It usually doesn't want to delete the old one with Win explorer so I normally putty to the ubuntu server and delete it with rm -f | 07:42 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 07:42 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 07:42 |
| mazal | Then I copy the new file from my Win 7 machine to the samba share | 07:42 |
| mazal | Worked well for long , but , lately I always get a "file is corrupt" error when trying to run it from the samba share , but from my pc it works fine | 07:43 |
| mazal | Then yesterday I saw something werid | 07:43 |
| Kilos | eish | 07:43 |
| mazal | Deleted the old file as usual with rm -f | 07:44 |
| mazal | Copied the new one from my Win pc | 07:44 |
| mazal | BUT , then I saw that the "new" file on the server still has the old date and size | 07:44 |
| mazal | And gives file corrupt error | 07:44 |
| mazal | So I deleted it again , this time from the Win pc | 07:44 |
| mazal | And copied the new file again. Now the new date and size showed and file corrupt error is gone | 07:45 |
| mazal | So why , when I delete old file with rm -f and copy the new one does it keep the old file date and size and effectively corrupts the new file ? | 07:45 |
| mazal | Strange one hey | 07:46 |
| Kilos | yeah | 07:46 |
| mazal | So for some reason rm -f doesn't completely remove , and when the new file is copied it the old file's date and size re-appeares | 07:48 |
| Kilos | strange | 07:48 |
| mazal | I wonder what will happen if I rm -f and then reboot the server | 07:49 |
| mazal | Not an option to reboot everytime , but will be interesting to see what happens | 07:49 |
| Kilos | ya it could, but servers are meant to stay online as long as possible isnt it? | 07:50 |
| mazal | Indeed , I wouldn't want to reboot everytime | 07:50 |
| mazal | Maybe reset samba to force closing of all possible connections | 07:51 |
| mazal | Maybe that has something to do with it | 07:51 |
| Squirm | mazal: do you have a file manager installed? maybe that is doing the same thing? | 07:57 |
| mazal | You mean on the server Squirm ? | 07:58 |
| Squirm | mazal: yes | 08:03 |
| Squirm | if you think samba could be an issue, maybe ssh as well? | 08:04 |
| mazal | Nope , no guis or file managers. Standard 10.10 server install | 08:04 |
| Squirm | I don't know, just throwing out straws | 08:04 |
| mazal | In what way might ssh be the culprit ? | 08:05 |
| Kilos | mazal, why 10.10 | 08:05 |
| Kilos | you cant get update/upgrades for it anymore | 08:05 |
| mazal | Kilos, I have learned that if it ain't broken , don't fix it. And if you don't need new features , don't upgrade it lol | 08:06 |
| Kilos | no man im sure ubuntu doesnt work properly till you done the first update/upgrades | 08:06 |
| mazal | When I installed it that was the latest. It is super fast and doesn't have or need anything else. So I don't see the need to re-install it with a new one | 08:07 |
| Kilos | ah | 08:07 |
| * Squirm finds bugs in the 10.10 kernel and attacks mazal | 08:07 | |
| Kilos | but you missing all the security upgrades that dont come anymore | 08:07 |
| mazal | And this is just my small little "provide the update" file server | 08:07 |
| mazal | I can't update anyway. Could never have found a way to update from behind a proxy | 08:08 |
| mazal | Spend many many many hours on that without success | 08:08 |
| Squirm | there is a line you can stick into the apt-get config file | 08:08 |
| Squirm | I've done it | 08:08 |
| Squirm | s/apt-get/apt | 08:08 |
| mazal | That don't work Squirm , not for our organization | 08:09 |
| mazal | We have tried all of those things | 08:09 |
| Squirm | mazal: what proxy are you running? | 08:09 |
| mazal | It just won't work | 08:09 |
| Kilos | every ubuntu install ive done doesnt work properly until you get the first update/upgrade | 08:09 |
| mazal | All I know it's an Microsoft ISA proxy. It is controlled by our head office in PTA. We have no access or control over it | 08:09 |
| Squirm | this doesn't work if you add it to /etc/apt/apt.conf ? | 08:10 |
| Squirm | http_proxy=http://username:password@yourproxyaddress:proxyport | 08:10 |
| mazal | Nope, and we also added some proxy info to the .bashrc as well. That also didn't work | 08:11 |
| mazal | We have tried every tip and tutorial google could find. Nothing worked | 08:11 |
| Squirm | have you managed to ssh out from work? | 08:11 |
| mazal | Never tried to ssh somewhere out no | 08:12 |
| Squirm | probably won't be able to though | 08:12 |
| mazal | In the end we gave up | 08:12 |
| Squirm | so you have to enter your proxy details into your browser? | 08:12 |
| mazal | The server doesn't have one. But my colleuge was able to get proxy working on his browser on his laptop yes | 08:13 |
| mazal | But even on that laptop apt-get couldn't see repositories | 08:13 |
| mazal | In the end we gave up. We have 3 ubuntu servers , none of them can update | 08:14 |
| Squirm | I'm just wondering what type of proxy it is. socks4/5, http | 08:14 |
| Squirm | we run an access controlled http proxy | 08:15 |
| Squirm | so they have to use an AD username and password | 08:15 |
| Squirm | so if someone is clever enough to find application that handle http proxies, they can use them. but it'll still count towards their bandwidth use | 08:16 |
| mazal | We figured that might be where the problem is, the AD username and password. We tried various formats in that proxy settings but it didn't want to work | 08:21 |
| mazal | We continue searching and tried formats giving on the net. But it just kept refusing | 08:22 |
| mazal | We tried until google's answers was used up :P | 08:22 |
| === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za | ||
| mazal | Is very frustrating to try and create something nice , but software and systems used by the employer blocks you :( | 08:24 |
| Squirm | yeah\ | 08:35 |
| Squirm | it is a pain | 08:35 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 merry christmas | 08:46 |
| Kilos | im installing server 12.04 on other pc mazal | 08:46 |
| Kilos | what a business with direct cable connect | 08:47 |
| === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za | ||
| Kilos | merry christmas Trix[a]r_za | 08:47 |
| mazal | What you gonna use it for Kilos ? | 08:47 |
| Kilos | i actually dont know yet | 08:48 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:48 |
| mazal | lol | 08:48 |
| mazal | I sommer converted my desktop into server as well | 08:48 |
| mazal | But don't use it much , basically just when I want to copy files from my Win laptop to my main data partition | 08:49 |
| Kilos | what you gonna use it for? | 08:49 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:49 |
| mazal | It has fulll LAMP | 08:49 |
| * Kilos dunno LAMP | 08:49 | |
| mazal | But currently just using the file sharing | 08:49 |
| mazal | LAMP = Linux + Apache + Mysql + PhP | 08:49 |
| mazal | And it has samba as well for the file sharing | 08:50 |
| mazal | Previously I used the MySql , PhP and Apache for databases. But these days it seems like overkill at home and my data I sommer put in spreadsheets | 08:50 |
| Kilos | just saw a mail in the lists about python to php | 08:50 |
| Kilos | something like that | 08:51 |
| Kilos | 8ta only took 27 mins to download the server iso last night | 08:51 |
| Kilos | 37 | 08:51 |
| mazal | Nice | 08:52 |
| Kilos | im happy. i still remember my days of using an old fone as modem on gprs | 08:52 |
| Kilos | took 9 hours to do update/upgrade on 9.10 | 08:53 |
| mazal | Oh boy , gprs. Horrible. Is the only wireless we have here. That's why I stick with adsl | 08:53 |
| Kilos | now server install asks me if i need to use a HTTP proxy to access the outside world | 08:55 |
| Kilos | dont even know what that is | 08:55 |
| Kilos | bypassed it | 08:56 |
| Kilos | so much to learn | 08:57 |
| mazal | That is what me and Squirm were discussing | 08:57 |
| mazal | lol , You going with the "If I don't know it I skip it" method :) | 08:58 |
| Squirm | :P | 08:59 |
| Squirm | mazal: I'm also stuck with just gprs | 08:59 |
| mazal | Eina Squirm | 09:00 |
| Squirm | well | 09:00 |
| Squirm | being wireless | 09:00 |
| Squirm | otherwise adsl it is | 09:00 |
| Squirm | (at home) | 09:00 |
| Squirm | at work we have a 4mbit line | 09:00 |
| Squirm | come | 09:00 |
| Squirm | come the 7th of Jan, we'll have 4*4mbit | 09:00 |
| Squirm | :) | 09:00 |
| mazal | Mine is very bad. Like 4kb/s a second and disconnects every 10 seconds. I have to rather stick to adsl. Only have 1mb though. 4mb to expensive | 09:01 |
| Squirm | yeah, at home we have 1meg | 09:01 |
| Squirm | which is where I am now. am going back to where I work on the 6th | 09:02 |
| mazal | And I have a big problem with Telkom charging the same for 4mb and 10mb. That is just plain wrong | 09:02 |
| Squirm | I live on the property, so use the net there :) | 09:02 |
| Squirm | mazal: very much so :O | 09:02 |
| Squirm | people in places like us, can't even get 10mbit lines :/ | 09:02 |
| mazal | It's like selling a 1300 to a guy but he must pay the price of a V6 | 09:02 |
| mazal | And just because you don't have V6 in stock. Very bad excuse and plain thievery | 09:03 |
| Squirm | depends which way you look at it. it's like selling a V6 to a guy, but he pays for a 1300 | 09:03 |
| Squirm | thats why we have to get 4*4mbit | 09:04 |
| Squirm | Uncapped, Unshaped, Unthrottled, etc | 09:04 |
| mazal | That's lekke | 09:04 |
| Squirm | going to cost us about R5k though | 09:04 |
| mazal | Don't you have job for me there lol | 09:04 |
| Squirm | but then we do have 4 computer rooms with a total of about 100 computers | 09:04 |
| Squirm | I work at a school | 09:04 |
| mazal | We have 220. And are stuck with a 1mb line | 09:05 |
| Squirm | so when the rooms are full, our 4meg line is painfully slow | 09:05 |
| mazal | You don't even wonna know how slow ours is | 09:05 |
| Squirm | but at night, I have unlimited access to our line. | 09:05 |
| * Squirm jumps up and down like an excited kid | 09:05 | |
| Squirm | mazal: I can imagine though | 09:05 |
| mazal | Other site we have 60 with a 512k | 09:06 |
| mazal | And other site is 10 with a 128k | 09:06 |
| Squirm | 128k? ISDN? seriously? | 09:06 |
| mazal | But the worst is the main one | 09:06 |
| mazal | Yeah. ISDN all of them | 09:06 |
| Squirm | and surely 512k users should ahve been upgraded to 2mbit? | 09:07 |
| Squirm | s/ahve/have | 09:07 |
| Squirm | oh, ISDN as well | 09:07 |
| mazal | Our management doesn't see it necessary to upgrade | 09:07 |
| Squirm | surely adsl is cheaper? | 09:07 |
| mazal | They sit nicely at HO with a number of 4mb lines and all the servers on their lan. So why should they care | 09:08 |
| Kilos | eeek what server must i choose | 09:08 |
| Kilos | openssh | 09:08 |
| Kilos | lamp | 09:08 |
| Kilos | DNS | 09:08 |
| Squirm | Kilos: what do you want to do> | 09:08 |
| Kilos | use it as a pc Squirm | 09:09 |
| Squirm | go for ssh | 09:09 |
| Kilos | but shring 3g with this one | 09:09 |
| Kilos | ok ty | 09:09 |
| Squirm | lamp is for a webserver | 09:09 |
| Squirm | DNS, well, DNS server | 09:09 |
| Vince-0 | Hi peeps | 09:09 |
| Vince-0 | Merry merry | 09:09 |
| Squirm | Kilos: I say openssh cause it's just the ssh package. so you can ssh into your server | 09:10 |
| mazal | Kilos, add samba as well | 09:10 |
| mazal | I'm pretty sure you gonna wonna use that at some stage | 09:10 |
| Kilos | what does samba do? | 09:10 |
| mazal | For shares | 09:10 |
| Squirm | oh yes, merry christmas mazal, Kilos, Vince-0 | 09:10 |
| Squirm | Kilos: windows shares | 09:10 |
| Vince-0 | thank you thank you | 09:10 |
| mazal | Is a nice to have to copy/backup data to Kilos | 09:11 |
| mazal | Hi Vince-0 | 09:11 |
| Squirm | and also to all other #ubuntu-za users | 09:11 |
| Kilos | server has same /var/cache/apt/archives/ hey | 09:12 |
| mazal | Thanx Squirm , to you too | 09:12 |
| mazal | Ok guys , I'm off to have lunch with friends | 09:13 |
| Kilos | enjoy mazal | 09:13 |
| mazal | Have a blessed day further. | 09:13 |
| Squirm | cheers | 09:13 |
| Kilos | ty lad you too | 09:13 |
| mazal | Kilos, good luck , server is fun | 09:13 |
| Kilos | lol ty | 09:13 |
| mazal | Well , kinda :P | 09:13 |
| mazal | hehehe | 09:13 |
| Squirm | and now starts the peeling :/ | 09:13 |
| mazal | peeling ? | 09:14 |
| Squirm | I haven't even finished being sore yet | 09:14 |
| Squirm | Maaz: sunburn | 09:14 |
| Maaz | Squirm: What? | 09:14 |
| Kilos | whew that can take a while Squirm | 09:14 |
| Squirm | mazal* | 09:14 |
| magespawn | Kilos you can just install the plain server and add packages later when needed. | 09:14 |
| mazal | Oh | 09:14 |
| mazal | Bye all | 09:14 |
| magespawn | Merry Christmas all. | 09:14 |
| Kilos | merry christmas magespawn | 09:14 |
| Squirm | magespawn: what Kilos said | 09:15 |
| magespawn | Cool Squirm | 09:15 |
| Squirm | hmm, is it weird Banshee started playing "I won't be home for christmas" by Blink 182 | 09:16 |
| Squirm | when it had 4000 other songs to choose from | 09:16 |
| Squirm | but ok, I am home for christmas | 09:16 |
| Kilos | so good food makes up for it Squirm | 09:50 |
| Kilos | and family | 09:50 |
| magespawn | See you guys later. Go enjoy the other family. | 10:25 |
| nuvolari | aloha! | 10:42 |
| nuvolari | Merry Christmas everyone | 10:43 |
| nuvolari | hallo oom Kilos | 10:43 |
| nuvolari | howdy magespawn, Squirm | 10:43 |
| smile2013 | 'n geseënd kersfees almal :) | 10:55 |
| smile2013 | https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/547487_417804018290686_114448626_n.jpg | 11:04 |
| Kilos | als wat geseend is nuvolari | 11:09 |
| Kilos | you too ty smile2013 | 11:09 |
| smile2013 | Kilos: dankie :) | 11:09 |
| smile2013 | smile2013: het jy enigiets geplan? :p | 11:46 |
| smile2013 | * Kilos : | 11:46 |
| Kilos | nee ons is maar hier by die huis smile2013 | 11:47 |
| Kilos | maag lekker vol | 11:47 |
| smile2013 | ok :D | 11:47 |
| Kilos | en jy? | 11:47 |
| magespawn | Hey all | 11:51 |
| Kilos | hey magespawn | 11:52 |
| smile2013 | Kilos: ons het niks geplan nie :) | 11:53 |
| Kilos | a | 11:53 |
| Kilos | beplan | 11:54 |
| smile2013 | ek vermoed dat ons enigiets ga eet :) | 11:54 |
| smile2013 | Kilos: ok :) | 11:54 |
| nuvolari | dankie oom Kilos :> | 13:14 |
| nuvolari | het oom darm 'n lekker dag so ver? | 13:14 |
| nuvolari | Geseënde Kersfees smile2013 | 13:14 |
| nuvolari | and magespawn | 13:14 |
| smile2013 | dankie nuvolari :) | 13:15 |
| nlsthzn | Merry merry to all | 13:47 |
| Kilos | merry christmas nlsthzn | 14:34 |
| Kilos | glad to see you found again | 14:34 |
| nlsthzn | lol, thanks uncle Kilos | 15:12 |
| Kilos | how was the turkey nlsthzn ? | 15:13 |
| bmg505 | hello merry xmas, and I am still stuffed | 17:43 |
| Kilos | merry christmas bmg505 | 17:44 |
| Kilos | merry christmas superfly and family | 17:59 |
| nlsthzn | turkey and all the other foodies was awesome thanks uncle Kilos | 18:59 |
| Kilos | naand magtie gseende kersfees | 19:21 |
| Kilos | geseende | 19:21 |
| magtie | Hi Kilos Dankie - dieselfde vir jou | 19:21 |
| smile2013 | merry christmas, magtie & bmg505 :) | 19:33 |
| smile2013 | I have to go :( | 19:33 |
| smile2013 | bye :'( | 19:33 |
| smile2013 | see ya :D | 19:33 |
| superfly | dankie Kilos | 20:21 |
| superfly | selfde aan jou | 20:21 |
| Kilos | ty superfly | 20:22 |
| charl_ | Maaz: tell Cantide ever been to this place? http://hellokittycafe.co.kr/ | 21:19 |
| Maaz | charl_: Righto, I'll tell Cantide on freenode | 21:19 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 21:30 |
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