[03:54] merry christmas every one. [05:58] * inetpro wishing you a merry Christmas and good times with families and friends [06:31] merry christmas everyone [07:33] Môre oom Kilos , geseënde Christusfees vir oom [07:33] dankie mazal en selle daar [07:35] Merry Christmas to all [07:35] ty tuxmaster same to you [07:36] Thanx tuxmaster , sam there [07:36] same even [07:36] * mazal can't spell again :P [07:38] maaz koffie on [07:38] mazal: *blink* [07:38] Dan't blink at me , make coffee [07:38] Maaz coffee on [07:38] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [07:38] Maaz, coffee please [07:38] Kilos: Righto [07:38] Maaz big [07:38] mazal: Huh? [07:38] Maaz, large [07:38] In a beer mug just for you Kilos [07:38] Maaz large [07:38] In a beer mug just for you mazal [07:39] Maaz with scons [07:39] mazal: *blink* [07:40] I picked up a weird samba thing at work hey [07:41] Scenario: [07:41] Ubuntu server 10.10 with a share for my avupdates for my Win 7 clients [07:41] Win 7 clients run a bat file that maps and execute the av update file [07:41] Twice a week I dl the update and put in share [07:42] Coffee's ready for mazal and Kilos! [07:42] It usually doesn't want to delete the old one with Win explorer so I normally putty to the ubuntu server and delete it with rm -f [07:42] Maaz, ty [07:42] You are welcome Kilos [07:42] Then I copy the new file from my Win 7 machine to the samba share [07:43] Worked well for long , but , lately I always get a "file is corrupt" error when trying to run it from the samba share , but from my pc it works fine [07:43] Then yesterday I saw something werid [07:43] eish [07:44] Deleted the old file as usual with rm -f [07:44] Copied the new one from my Win pc [07:44] BUT , then I saw that the "new" file on the server still has the old date and size [07:44] And gives file corrupt error [07:44] So I deleted it again , this time from the Win pc [07:45] And copied the new file again. Now the new date and size showed and file corrupt error is gone [07:45] So why , when I delete old file with rm -f and copy the new one does it keep the old file date and size and effectively corrupts the new file ? [07:46] Strange one hey [07:46] yeah [07:48] So for some reason rm -f doesn't completely remove , and when the new file is copied it the old file's date and size re-appeares [07:48] strange [07:49] I wonder what will happen if I rm -f and then reboot the server [07:49] Not an option to reboot everytime , but will be interesting to see what happens [07:50] ya it could, but servers are meant to stay online as long as possible isnt it? [07:50] Indeed , I wouldn't want to reboot everytime [07:51] Maybe reset samba to force closing of all possible connections [07:51] Maybe that has something to do with it [07:57] mazal: do you have a file manager installed? maybe that is doing the same thing? [07:58] You mean on the server Squirm ? [08:03] mazal: yes [08:04] if you think samba could be an issue, maybe ssh as well? [08:04] Nope , no guis or file managers. Standard 10.10 server install [08:04] I don't know, just throwing out straws [08:05] In what way might ssh be the culprit ? [08:05] mazal, why 10.10 [08:05] you cant get update/upgrades for it anymore [08:06] Kilos, I have learned that if it ain't broken , don't fix it. And if you don't need new features , don't upgrade it lol [08:06] no man im sure ubuntu doesnt work properly till you done the first update/upgrades [08:07] When I installed it that was the latest. It is super fast and doesn't have or need anything else. So I don't see the need to re-install it with a new one [08:07] ah [08:07] * Squirm finds bugs in the 10.10 kernel and attacks mazal [08:07] but you missing all the security upgrades that dont come anymore [08:07] And this is just my small little "provide the update" file server [08:08] I can't update anyway. Could never have found a way to update from behind a proxy [08:08] Spend many many many hours on that without success [08:08] there is a line you can stick into the apt-get config file [08:08] I've done it [08:08] s/apt-get/apt [08:09] That don't work Squirm , not for our organization [08:09] We have tried all of those things [08:09] mazal: what proxy are you running? [08:09] It just won't work [08:09] every ubuntu install ive done doesnt work properly until you get the first update/upgrade [08:09] All I know it's an Microsoft ISA proxy. It is controlled by our head office in PTA. We have no access or control over it [08:10] this doesn't work if you add it to /etc/apt/apt.conf ? [08:10] http_proxy=http://username:password@yourproxyaddress:proxyport [08:11] Nope, and we also added some proxy info to the .bashrc as well. That also didn't work [08:11] We have tried every tip and tutorial google could find. Nothing worked [08:11] have you managed to ssh out from work? [08:12] Never tried to ssh somewhere out no [08:12] probably won't be able to though [08:12] In the end we gave up [08:12] so you have to enter your proxy details into your browser? [08:13] The server doesn't have one. But my colleuge was able to get proxy working on his browser on his laptop yes [08:13] But even on that laptop apt-get couldn't see repositories [08:14] In the end we gave up. We have 3 ubuntu servers , none of them can update [08:14] I'm just wondering what type of proxy it is. socks4/5, http [08:15] we run an access controlled http proxy [08:15] so they have to use an AD username and password [08:16] so if someone is clever enough to find application that handle http proxies, they can use them. but it'll still count towards their bandwidth use [08:21] We figured that might be where the problem is, the AD username and password. We tried various formats in that proxy settings but it didn't want to work [08:22] We continue searching and tried formats giving on the net. But it just kept refusing [08:22] We tried until google's answers was used up :P === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [08:24] Is very frustrating to try and create something nice , but software and systems used by the employer blocks you :( [08:35] yeah\ [08:35] it is a pain [08:46] hi Vince-0 merry christmas [08:46] im installing server 12.04 on other pc mazal [08:47] what a business with direct cable connect === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [08:47] merry christmas Trix[a]r_za [08:47] What you gonna use it for Kilos ? [08:48] i actually dont know yet [08:48] lol [08:48] lol [08:48] I sommer converted my desktop into server as well [08:49] But don't use it much , basically just when I want to copy files from my Win laptop to my main data partition [08:49] what you gonna use it for? [08:49] hehe [08:49] It has fulll LAMP [08:49] * Kilos dunno LAMP [08:49] But currently just using the file sharing [08:49] LAMP = Linux + Apache + Mysql + PhP [08:50] And it has samba as well for the file sharing [08:50] Previously I used the MySql , PhP and Apache for databases. But these days it seems like overkill at home and my data I sommer put in spreadsheets [08:50] just saw a mail in the lists about python to php [08:51] something like that [08:51] 8ta only took 27 mins to download the server iso last night [08:51] 37 [08:52] Nice [08:52] im happy. i still remember my days of using an old fone as modem on gprs [08:53] took 9 hours to do update/upgrade on 9.10 [08:53] Oh boy , gprs. Horrible. Is the only wireless we have here. That's why I stick with adsl [08:55] now server install asks me if i need to use a HTTP proxy to access the outside world [08:55] dont even know what that is [08:56] bypassed it [08:57] so much to learn [08:57] That is what me and Squirm were discussing [08:58] lol , You going with the "If I don't know it I skip it" method :) [08:59] :P [08:59] mazal: I'm also stuck with just gprs [09:00] Eina Squirm [09:00] well [09:00] being wireless [09:00] otherwise adsl it is [09:00] (at home) [09:00] at work we have a 4mbit line [09:00] come [09:00] come the 7th of Jan, we'll have 4*4mbit [09:00] :) [09:01] Mine is very bad. Like 4kb/s a second and disconnects every 10 seconds. I have to rather stick to adsl. Only have 1mb though. 4mb to expensive [09:01] yeah, at home we have 1meg [09:02] which is where I am now. am going back to where I work on the 6th [09:02] And I have a big problem with Telkom charging the same for 4mb and 10mb. That is just plain wrong [09:02] I live on the property, so use the net there :) [09:02] mazal: very much so :O [09:02] people in places like us, can't even get 10mbit lines :/ [09:02] It's like selling a 1300 to a guy but he must pay the price of a V6 [09:03] And just because you don't have V6 in stock. Very bad excuse and plain thievery [09:03] depends which way you look at it. it's like selling a V6 to a guy, but he pays for a 1300 [09:04] thats why we have to get 4*4mbit [09:04] Uncapped, Unshaped, Unthrottled, etc [09:04] That's lekke [09:04] going to cost us about R5k though [09:04] Don't you have job for me there lol [09:04] but then we do have 4 computer rooms with a total of about 100 computers [09:04] I work at a school [09:05] We have 220. And are stuck with a 1mb line [09:05] so when the rooms are full, our 4meg line is painfully slow [09:05] You don't even wonna know how slow ours is [09:05] but at night, I have unlimited access to our line. [09:05] * Squirm jumps up and down like an excited kid [09:05] mazal: I can imagine though [09:06] Other site we have 60 with a 512k [09:06] And other site is 10 with a 128k [09:06] 128k? ISDN? seriously? [09:06] But the worst is the main one [09:06] Yeah. ISDN all of them [09:07] and surely 512k users should ahve been upgraded to 2mbit? [09:07] s/ahve/have [09:07] oh, ISDN as well [09:07] Our management doesn't see it necessary to upgrade [09:07] surely adsl is cheaper? [09:08] They sit nicely at HO with a number of 4mb lines and all the servers on their lan. So why should they care [09:08] eeek what server must i choose [09:08] openssh [09:08] lamp [09:08] DNS [09:08] Kilos: what do you want to do> [09:09] use it as a pc Squirm [09:09] go for ssh [09:09] but shring 3g with this one [09:09] ok ty [09:09] lamp is for a webserver [09:09] DNS, well, DNS server [09:09] Hi peeps [09:09] Merry merry [09:10] Kilos: I say openssh cause it's just the ssh package. so you can ssh into your server [09:10] Kilos, add samba as well [09:10] I'm pretty sure you gonna wonna use that at some stage [09:10] what does samba do? [09:10] For shares [09:10] oh yes, merry christmas mazal, Kilos, Vince-0 [09:10] Kilos: windows shares [09:10] thank you thank you [09:11] Is a nice to have to copy/backup data to Kilos [09:11] Hi Vince-0 [09:11] and also to all other #ubuntu-za users [09:12] server has same /var/cache/apt/archives/ hey [09:12] Thanx Squirm , to you too [09:13] Ok guys , I'm off to have lunch with friends [09:13] enjoy mazal [09:13] Have a blessed day further. [09:13] cheers [09:13] ty lad you too [09:13] Kilos, good luck , server is fun [09:13] lol ty [09:13] Well , kinda :P [09:13] hehehe [09:13] and now starts the peeling :/ [09:14] peeling ? [09:14] I haven't even finished being sore yet [09:14] Maaz: sunburn [09:14] Squirm: What? [09:14] whew that can take a while Squirm [09:14] mazal* [09:14] Kilos you can just install the plain server and add packages later when needed. [09:14] Oh [09:14] Bye all [09:14] Merry Christmas all. [09:14] merry christmas magespawn [09:15] magespawn: what Kilos said [09:15] Cool Squirm [09:16] hmm, is it weird Banshee started playing "I won't be home for christmas" by Blink 182 [09:16] when it had 4000 other songs to choose from [09:16] but ok, I am home for christmas [09:50] so good food makes up for it Squirm [09:50] and family [10:25] See you guys later. Go enjoy the other family. [10:42] aloha! [10:43] Merry Christmas everyone [10:43] hallo oom Kilos [10:43] howdy magespawn, Squirm [10:55] 'n geseënd kersfees almal :) [11:04] https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/547487_417804018290686_114448626_n.jpg [11:09] als wat geseend is nuvolari [11:09] you too ty smile2013 [11:09] Kilos: dankie :) [11:46] smile2013: het jy enigiets geplan? :p [11:46] * Kilos : [11:47] nee ons is maar hier by die huis smile2013 [11:47] maag lekker vol [11:47] ok :D [11:47] en jy? [11:51] Hey all [11:52] hey magespawn [11:53] Kilos: ons het niks geplan nie :) [11:53] a [11:54] beplan [11:54] ek vermoed dat ons enigiets ga eet :) [11:54] Kilos: ok :) [13:14] dankie oom Kilos :> [13:14] het oom darm 'n lekker dag so ver? [13:14] Geseënde Kersfees smile2013 [13:14] and magespawn [13:15] dankie nuvolari :) [13:47] Merry merry to all [14:34] merry christmas nlsthzn [14:34] glad to see you found again [15:12] lol, thanks uncle Kilos [15:13] how was the turkey nlsthzn ? [17:43] hello merry xmas, and I am still stuffed [17:44] merry christmas bmg505 [17:59] merry christmas superfly and family [18:59] turkey and all the other foodies was awesome thanks uncle Kilos [19:21] naand magtie gseende kersfees [19:21] geseende [19:21] Hi Kilos Dankie - dieselfde vir jou [19:33] merry christmas, magtie & bmg505 :) [19:33] I have to go :( [19:33] bye :'( [19:33] see ya :D [20:21] dankie Kilos [20:21] selfde aan jou [20:22] ty superfly [21:19] Maaz: tell Cantide ever been to this place? http://hellokittycafe.co.kr/ [21:19] charl_: Righto, I'll tell Cantide on freenode [21:30] night all. sleep tight