[03:54] <magespawn> merry christmas every one.
[05:58]  * inetpro wishing you a merry Christmas and good times with families and friends
[06:31] <Kilos> merry christmas everyone
[07:33] <mazal> Môre oom Kilos , geseënde Christusfees vir oom
[07:33] <Kilos> dankie mazal en selle daar
[07:35] <tuxmaster> Merry Christmas to all 
[07:35] <Kilos> ty tuxmaster same to you
[07:36] <mazal> Thanx tuxmaster , sam there
[07:36] <mazal> same even
[07:36]  * mazal can't spell again :P
[07:38] <mazal> maaz koffie on
[07:38] <Maaz> mazal: *blink*
[07:38] <mazal> Dan't blink at me , make coffee
[07:38] <mazal> Maaz coffee on
[07:38]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:38] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[07:38] <mazal> Maaz big
[07:38] <Maaz> mazal: Huh?
[07:38] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[07:38] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[07:38] <mazal> Maaz large
[07:38] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you mazal
[07:39] <mazal> Maaz with scons
[07:39] <Maaz> mazal: *blink*
[07:40] <mazal> I picked up a weird samba thing at work hey
[07:41] <mazal> Scenario:
[07:41] <mazal> Ubuntu server 10.10 with a share for my avupdates for my Win 7 clients
[07:41] <mazal> Win 7 clients run a bat file that maps and execute the av update file
[07:41] <mazal> Twice a week I dl the update and put in share
[07:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for mazal and Kilos!
[07:42] <mazal> It usually doesn't want to delete the old one with Win explorer so I normally putty to the ubuntu server and delete it with rm -f
[07:42] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:42] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:42] <mazal> Then I copy the new file from my Win 7 machine to the samba share
[07:43] <mazal> Worked well for long , but , lately I always get a "file is corrupt" error when trying to run it from the samba share , but from my pc it works fine
[07:43] <mazal> Then yesterday I saw something werid
[07:43] <Kilos> eish
[07:44] <mazal> Deleted the old file as usual with rm -f
[07:44] <mazal> Copied the new one from my Win pc
[07:44] <mazal> BUT , then I saw that the "new" file on the server still has the old date and size
[07:44] <mazal> And gives file corrupt error
[07:44] <mazal> So I deleted it again , this time from the Win pc
[07:45] <mazal> And copied the new file again. Now the new date and size showed and file corrupt error is gone
[07:45] <mazal> So why , when I delete old file with rm -f and copy the new one does it keep the old file date and size and effectively corrupts the new file ?
[07:46] <mazal> Strange one hey
[07:46] <Kilos> yeah
[07:48] <mazal> So for some reason rm -f doesn't completely remove , and when the new file is copied it the old file's date and size re-appeares
[07:48] <Kilos> strange
[07:49] <mazal> I wonder what will happen if I rm -f and then reboot the server
[07:49] <mazal> Not an option to reboot everytime , but will be interesting to see what happens
[07:50] <Kilos> ya it could, but servers are meant to stay online as long as possible isnt it?
[07:50] <mazal> Indeed , I wouldn't want to reboot everytime
[07:51] <mazal> Maybe reset samba to force closing of all possible connections
[07:51] <mazal> Maybe that has something to do with it
[07:57] <Squirm> mazal: do you have a file manager installed? maybe that is doing the same thing?
[07:58] <mazal> You mean on the server Squirm ?
[08:03] <Squirm> mazal: yes
[08:04] <Squirm> if you think samba could be an issue, maybe ssh as well?
[08:04] <mazal> Nope , no guis or file managers. Standard 10.10 server install
[08:04] <Squirm> I don't know, just throwing out straws
[08:05] <mazal> In what way might ssh be the culprit ?
[08:05] <Kilos> mazal, why 10.10
[08:05] <Kilos> you cant get update/upgrades for it anymore
[08:06] <mazal> Kilos, I have learned that if it ain't broken , don't fix it. And if you don't need new features , don't upgrade it lol
[08:06] <Kilos> no man im sure ubuntu doesnt work properly till you done the first update/upgrades
[08:07] <mazal> When I installed it that was the latest. It is super fast and doesn't have or need anything else. So I don't see the need to re-install it with a new one
[08:07] <Kilos> ah
[08:07]  * Squirm finds bugs in the 10.10 kernel and attacks mazal 
[08:07] <Kilos> but you missing all the security upgrades that dont come anymore
[08:07] <mazal> And this is just my small little "provide the update" file server
[08:08] <mazal> I can't update anyway. Could never have found a way to update from behind a proxy
[08:08] <mazal> Spend many many many hours on that without success
[08:08] <Squirm> there is a line you can stick into the apt-get config file
[08:08] <Squirm> I've done it
[08:08] <Squirm> s/apt-get/apt
[08:09] <mazal> That don't work Squirm , not for our organization
[08:09] <mazal> We have tried all of those things
[08:09] <Squirm> mazal: what proxy are you running?
[08:09] <mazal> It just won't work
[08:09] <Kilos> every ubuntu install ive done doesnt work properly until you get the first update/upgrade
[08:09] <mazal> All I know it's an Microsoft ISA proxy. It is controlled by our head office in PTA. We have no access or control over it
[08:10] <Squirm> this doesn't work if you add it to /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
[08:10] <Squirm> http_proxy=http://username:password@yourproxyaddress:proxyport
[08:11] <mazal> Nope, and we also added some proxy info to the .bashrc as well. That also didn't work
[08:11] <mazal> We have tried every tip and tutorial google could find. Nothing worked
[08:11] <Squirm> have you managed to ssh out from work?
[08:12] <mazal> Never tried to ssh somewhere out no
[08:12] <Squirm> probably won't be able to though
[08:12] <mazal> In the end we gave up
[08:12] <Squirm> so you have to enter your proxy details into your browser?
[08:13] <mazal> The server doesn't have one. But my colleuge was able to get proxy working on his browser on his laptop yes
[08:13] <mazal> But even on that laptop apt-get couldn't see repositories
[08:14] <mazal> In the end we gave up. We have 3 ubuntu servers , none of them can update
[08:14] <Squirm> I'm just wondering what type of proxy it is. socks4/5, http
[08:15] <Squirm> we run an access controlled http proxy
[08:15] <Squirm> so they have to use an AD username and password
[08:16] <Squirm> so if someone is clever enough to find application that handle http proxies, they can use them. but it'll still count towards their bandwidth use
[08:21] <mazal> We figured that might be where the problem is, the AD username and password. We tried various formats in that proxy settings but it didn't want to work
[08:22] <mazal> We continue searching and tried formats giving on the net. But it just kept refusing
[08:22] <mazal> We tried until google's answers was used up :P
[08:24] <mazal> Is very frustrating to try and create something nice , but software and systems used by the employer blocks you :(
[08:35] <Squirm> yeah\
[08:35] <Squirm> it is a pain
[08:46] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 merry christmas
[08:46] <Kilos> im installing server 12.04 on other pc mazal 
[08:47] <Kilos> what a business with direct cable connect
[08:47] <Kilos> merry christmas Trix[a]r_za 
[08:47] <mazal> What you gonna use it for Kilos ?
[08:48] <Kilos> i actually dont know yet
[08:48] <Kilos> lol
[08:48] <mazal> lol
[08:48] <mazal> I sommer converted my desktop into server as well
[08:49] <mazal> But don't use it much , basically just when I want to copy files from my Win laptop to my main data partition
[08:49] <Kilos> what you gonna use it for?
[08:49] <Kilos> hehe
[08:49] <mazal> It has fulll LAMP
[08:49]  * Kilos dunno LAMP
[08:49] <mazal> But currently just using the file sharing
[08:49] <mazal> LAMP = Linux + Apache + Mysql + PhP
[08:50] <mazal> And it has samba as well for the file sharing
[08:50] <mazal> Previously I used the MySql , PhP and Apache for databases. But these days it seems like overkill at home and my data I sommer put in spreadsheets
[08:50] <Kilos> just saw a mail in the lists about python to php
[08:51] <Kilos> something like that
[08:51] <Kilos> 8ta only took 27 mins to download the server iso last night
[08:51] <Kilos> 37
[08:52] <mazal> Nice
[08:52] <Kilos> im happy. i still remember my days of using an old  fone as modem on gprs
[08:53] <Kilos> took 9 hours to do update/upgrade on 9.10
[08:53] <mazal> Oh boy , gprs. Horrible. Is the only wireless we have here. That's why I stick with adsl
[08:55] <Kilos> now server install asks me if i need to use a HTTP  proxy to access the outside world
[08:55] <Kilos> dont even know what that is
[08:56] <Kilos> bypassed it
[08:57] <Kilos> so much to learn
[08:57] <mazal> That is what me and Squirm were discussing
[08:58] <mazal> lol , You going with the "If I don't know it I skip it" method :)
[08:59] <Squirm> :P
[08:59] <Squirm> mazal: I'm also stuck with just gprs
[09:00] <mazal> Eina Squirm 
[09:00] <Squirm> well
[09:00] <Squirm> being wireless
[09:00] <Squirm> otherwise adsl it is
[09:00] <Squirm> (at home)
[09:00] <Squirm> at work we have a 4mbit line
[09:00] <Squirm> come
[09:00] <Squirm> come the 7th of Jan, we'll have 4*4mbit
[09:00] <Squirm> :)
[09:01] <mazal> Mine is very bad. Like 4kb/s a second and disconnects every 10 seconds. I have to rather stick to adsl. Only have 1mb though. 4mb to expensive
[09:01] <Squirm> yeah, at home we have 1meg
[09:02] <Squirm> which is where I am now. am going back to where I work on the 6th
[09:02] <mazal> And I have a big problem with Telkom charging the same for 4mb and 10mb. That is just plain wrong
[09:02] <Squirm> I live on the property, so use the net there :)
[09:02] <Squirm> mazal: very much so :O
[09:02] <Squirm> people in places like us, can't even get 10mbit lines :/
[09:02] <mazal> It's like selling a 1300 to a guy but he must pay the price of a V6
[09:03] <mazal> And just because you don't have V6 in stock. Very bad excuse and plain thievery 
[09:03] <Squirm> depends which way you look at it. it's like selling a V6 to a guy, but he pays for a 1300
[09:04] <Squirm> thats why we have to get 4*4mbit
[09:04] <Squirm> Uncapped, Unshaped, Unthrottled, etc
[09:04] <mazal> That's lekke
[09:04] <Squirm> going to cost us about R5k though
[09:04] <mazal> Don't you have job for me there lol
[09:04] <Squirm> but then we do have 4 computer rooms with a total of about 100 computers
[09:04] <Squirm> I work at a school
[09:05] <mazal> We have 220. And are stuck with a 1mb line
[09:05] <Squirm> so when the rooms are full, our 4meg line is painfully slow
[09:05] <mazal> You don't even wonna know how slow ours is
[09:05] <Squirm> but at night, I have unlimited access to our line.
[09:05]  * Squirm jumps up and down like an excited kid
[09:05] <Squirm> mazal: I can imagine though
[09:06] <mazal> Other site we have 60 with a 512k
[09:06] <mazal> And other site is 10 with a 128k
[09:06] <Squirm> 128k? ISDN? seriously?
[09:06] <mazal> But the worst is the main one
[09:06] <mazal> Yeah. ISDN all of them
[09:07] <Squirm> and surely 512k users should ahve been upgraded to 2mbit?
[09:07] <Squirm> s/ahve/have
[09:07] <Squirm> oh, ISDN as well
[09:07] <mazal> Our management doesn't see it necessary to upgrade
[09:07] <Squirm> surely adsl is cheaper?
[09:08] <mazal> They sit nicely at HO with a number of 4mb lines and all the servers on their lan. So why should they care
[09:08] <Kilos> eeek what server must i choose
[09:08] <Kilos> openssh
[09:08] <Kilos> lamp
[09:08] <Kilos> DNS
[09:08] <Squirm> Kilos: what do you want to do>
[09:09] <Kilos> use it as a pc Squirm 
[09:09] <Squirm> go for ssh
[09:09] <Kilos> but shring 3g with this one
[09:09] <Kilos> ok ty
[09:09] <Squirm> lamp is for a webserver
[09:09] <Squirm> DNS, well, DNS server
[09:09] <Vince-0> Hi peeps
[09:09] <Vince-0> Merry merry
[09:10] <Squirm> Kilos: I say openssh cause it's just the ssh package. so you can ssh into your server
[09:10] <mazal> Kilos, add samba as well
[09:10] <mazal> I'm pretty sure you gonna wonna use that at some stage
[09:10] <Kilos> what does samba do?
[09:10] <mazal> For shares
[09:10] <Squirm> oh yes, merry christmas mazal, Kilos, Vince-0 
[09:10] <Squirm> Kilos: windows shares
[09:10] <Vince-0> thank you thank you
[09:11] <mazal> Is a nice to have to copy/backup data to Kilos 
[09:11] <mazal> Hi Vince-0 
[09:11] <Squirm> and also to all other #ubuntu-za users
[09:12] <Kilos> server has same /var/cache/apt/archives/ hey 
[09:12] <mazal> Thanx Squirm , to you too
[09:13] <mazal> Ok guys , I'm off to have lunch with friends
[09:13] <Kilos> enjoy mazal 
[09:13] <mazal> Have a blessed day further.
[09:13] <Squirm> cheers
[09:13] <Kilos> ty lad you too
[09:13] <mazal> Kilos, good luck , server is fun
[09:13] <Kilos> lol ty
[09:13] <mazal> Well , kinda :P
[09:13] <mazal> hehehe
[09:13] <Squirm> and now starts the peeling :/
[09:14] <mazal> peeling ?
[09:14] <Squirm> I haven't even finished being sore yet
[09:14] <Squirm> Maaz: sunburn
[09:14] <Maaz> Squirm: What?
[09:14] <Kilos> whew that can take a while Squirm 
[09:14] <Squirm> mazal*
[09:14] <magespawn> Kilos you can just install the plain server and add packages later when needed.
[09:14] <mazal> Oh 
[09:14] <mazal> Bye all
[09:14] <magespawn> Merry Christmas all.
[09:14] <Kilos> merry christmas magespawn 
[09:15] <Squirm> magespawn: what Kilos said
[09:15] <magespawn> Cool Squirm
[09:16] <Squirm> hmm, is it weird Banshee started playing "I won't be home for christmas" by Blink 182
[09:16] <Squirm> when it had 4000 other songs to choose from
[09:16] <Squirm> but ok, I am home for christmas
[09:50] <Kilos> so good food makes up for it Squirm 
[09:50] <Kilos> and family
[10:25] <magespawn> See you guys later. Go enjoy the other family.
[10:42] <nuvolari> aloha!
[10:43] <nuvolari> Merry Christmas everyone
[10:43] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos 
[10:43] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn, Squirm 
[10:55] <smile2013> 'n geseënd kersfees almal :)
[11:04] <smile2013> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/547487_417804018290686_114448626_n.jpg
[11:09] <Kilos> als wat geseend is nuvolari 
[11:09] <Kilos> you too ty smile2013 
[11:09] <smile2013> Kilos: dankie :)
[11:46] <smile2013> smile2013: het jy enigiets geplan? :p
[11:46] <smile2013> * Kilos :
[11:47] <Kilos> nee ons is maar hier by die huis smile2013 
[11:47] <Kilos> maag lekker vol 
[11:47] <smile2013> ok :D
[11:47] <Kilos> en jy?
[11:51] <magespawn> Hey all
[11:52] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[11:53] <smile2013> Kilos: ons het niks geplan nie :)
[11:53] <Kilos> a
[11:54] <Kilos> beplan
[11:54] <smile2013> ek vermoed dat ons enigiets ga eet :)
[11:54] <smile2013> Kilos: ok :)
[13:14] <nuvolari> dankie oom Kilos :>
[13:14] <nuvolari> het oom darm 'n lekker dag so ver?
[13:14] <nuvolari> Geseënde Kersfees smile2013 
[13:14] <nuvolari> and magespawn 
[13:15] <smile2013> dankie nuvolari :)
[13:47] <nlsthzn> Merry merry to all
[14:34] <Kilos> merry christmas nlsthzn 
[14:34] <Kilos> glad to see you found again
[15:12] <nlsthzn> lol, thanks uncle Kilos 
[15:13] <Kilos> how was the turkey nlsthzn ?
[17:43] <bmg505> hello merry xmas, and I am still stuffed
[17:44] <Kilos> merry christmas bmg505 
[17:59] <Kilos> merry christmas superfly and family
[18:59] <nlsthzn> turkey and all the other foodies was awesome thanks uncle Kilos 
[19:21] <Kilos> naand magtie gseende kersfees
[19:21] <Kilos> geseende
[19:21] <magtie> Hi Kilos Dankie - dieselfde vir jou 
[19:33] <smile2013> merry christmas, magtie & bmg505 :)
[19:33] <smile2013> I have to go :(
[19:33] <smile2013> bye :'(
[19:33] <smile2013> see ya :D
[20:21] <superfly> dankie Kilos
[20:21] <superfly> selfde aan jou
[20:22] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[21:19] <charl_> Maaz: tell Cantide ever been to this place? http://hellokittycafe.co.kr/
[21:19] <Maaz> charl_: Righto, I'll tell Cantide on freenode
[21:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight