[00:36] <snap-l> Evening
[00:54] <rick_h_> party
[00:54] <rick_h_> thank goodness it's over
[01:16] <snap-l> Yeah, no kidding
[01:17] <rick_h_> greg-g: jcastro long 3hr CHC tomorrow heads up
[01:56] <rick_h_> proud dad moment, took the son's prsent of magnetic square/triangle shape toys and built a 1D20 out of the triangles
[02:12] <jrwren> Merry Christmas.
[02:13] <jrwren> rick_h_: well done!
[02:20] <snap-l> Ok, nice. :)
[02:20] <snap-l> I meant "Oh, nice"
[14:47] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:47] <snap-l> Happy Boxing day and what-not
[14:53] <jcastro> rick_h_: isn't there like some megastorm coming?
[14:54] <rick_h_droid> sure just means it's going to be an epic night
[14:57] <brousch> I'm getting a weak reference error in Python. I've never seen this before
[14:58] <brousch> I think the module I'm using has them
[14:59] <snap-l> Oh. My. God.
[14:59] <snap-l> JoDee watched a numerology video linked from PZ Meyers
[15:00] <snap-l> And one of the supposed "homosexuality" references in the video for "Call Me Maybe" was that the phone number handed to one of the band members started with the numbers "555", which is the number of Mary's Rosary.
[15:01] <snap-l> At which point my head made the sound of the desk.
[15:04] <billings> uh
[15:05] <billings> I wonder if this numerologist saw "Last Action Hero"
[15:07] <rick_h_droid> jcastro less than an inch during the day and 1 to 3 tonight?
[15:07] <rick_h_droid> seems a bit wimpy g
[15:07] <rick_h_droid> for mega status
[15:12] <jcastro> I heard 6 inches
[15:12] <jcastro> but I haven't investigated
[15:12] <jcastro> I'm going by what jill tells me she's reading on facebook
[15:12] <jcastro> <--- shame on me
[15:13] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/hd-code.do?code=HDCDE&imm_mid=09e59a&cmp=em-code-books-videos-holiday-code-direct-last-chance
[15:13] <snap-l> jcastro: They're not entirely sure how the storm is supposed to play out
[15:13] <jcastro> oh
[15:13] <snap-l> we may get just a whiffing, we might get slammed
[15:13] <jcastro> upt 3 inches in the day
[15:13] <jcastro> up to 2 more at night
[15:14] <rick_h_droid> weak :-D
[15:14] <jcastro> looks like ohio will get more
[15:14] <jcastro> good, they suck
[15:18] <rick_h_droid> hah
[15:19] <rick_h_droid> I need to test out the new subie tires so let's get dumped on
[15:33] <snap-l> rick_h_droid: Can we choose a day that _isn't_ a CHC day. ;)
[15:33] <rick_h_droid> lol
[15:34] <snap-l> Dammit, UPS, once the tracking number is created, I want to know where my package is
[15:34] <snap-l> I don't care if it's "Bob's Desk", I should know that. ;)
[17:07] <greg-g> yay! snowing!
[17:07] <greg-g> rick_h_: indeed, still weak :)
[17:09] <rick_h_> greg-g: booo, I don't have any yet
[17:09] <rick_h_> greg-g: coming to CHC? good time to catch up :)
[17:10] <greg-g> lemme see if I can swing it
[17:10] <greg-g> where again?
[17:10] <snap-l> Royal Oak Caribou, on Woodward Ave, just south of Normandy
[17:11] <greg-g> man, 1 hour drive.....
[17:11] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1631/detail/
[17:11] <greg-g> maybe more with weather
[17:11] <greg-g> ah, of course, the locodir
[17:11] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea :/ but 3hr CHC edition so
[17:12] <snap-l> Yeah, I think we're one of the few teams that has fully adopted the locodir. ;)
[17:12] <greg-g> heh, one of two or something :)
[17:13] <snap-l> Yeah, I like it though
[17:13] <snap-l> if it would get me out of having to do team reports, I'd use the hell out of it. ;)
[17:14] <greg-g> no kidding, the biggest benefit of it isn't being realized for some stupid reason
[17:14] <greg-g> probably because no one uses it
[17:14] <greg-g> anyways, I'm no longer on the LoCo Council, so I don't have to care anymore :)
[17:14] <rick_h_> greg-g: you a leather boot/shoe kind of guy?
[17:14] <greg-g> rick_h_: I want to be
[17:14] <snap-l> Yeah, I had this conversation with Jono, and his point was that some teams do awesome things with their team reports.
[17:15] <snap-l> Which is cool, but ours is pretty much "find what was in the locodir, and copy"
[17:15] <rick_h_> greg-g: ah ok, thought you might be
[17:15] <snap-l> If they had a link for the past events to link to a blog post and pictures, that would be the extent of our team report. ;)
[17:16] <greg-g> snap-l: ugh, no a good response from jono, as usual.
[17:18] <snap-l> Well, a more nuanced and measured response, which is par for Jono
[17:19] <snap-l> I think we're to the point now with the locodir where it could suitably supplement / replace some of the other functionality that locos perform ouotside of the dir
[17:20] <snap-l> Just because I'm lazy shouldn't preclude some more ambitions team from rocking their wiki
[17:20] <snap-l> one the same token, I hate repeating myself, and prefer to automate as much as possible. ;)
[17:21] <greg-g> hence the tweet the other day
[17:22] <snap-l> greg-g: That's just in general. :)
[17:22] <greg-g> rick_h_: what kind of boots did you get (just saw your tweet)
[17:22] <snap-l> Also, I read the 4 hour work week. ;)
[17:22] <greg-g> oh? good?
[17:23] <snap-l> It has some good points, and some douchey parts.
[17:23] <snap-l> I borrowed it from the library, so I don't have to store it. ;)
[17:24] <snap-l> His basic premise is "I start companies that just automatically make money for me"
[17:24] <greg-g> barf
[17:24] <greg-g> like what?
[17:24] <snap-l> Like print on demand sorts of things (at least that's what I thought of when I read it)
[17:25] <rick_h_> greg-g: got some red wing ones and looking up treatment/care info which is why I was going to bug you
[17:25] <snap-l> ie: get folks to do the heavy lifting, and license out your content
[17:25] <rick_h_> greg-g: wanted to try something that's real leather, resole-able, quality boots for a decade kind of thing and hopefully these will do it
[17:25] <greg-g> rick_h_: gotcha, yeah, something like that will be my next major footwear purchase
[17:26] <greg-g> snap-l: if only I had content, so this is a "step 0: learn how to be a writer, step 1: now read the 4 hour work week" thing? :)
[17:26] <snap-l> greg-g: And his big take was to automate as much of the process as possible, so you don't have to think about the business. (ie: outsource order fulfilment, etc)
[17:26] <greg-g> right right
[17:32] <greg-g> snap-l: eek, the reviews on amazon don't give me a nice feeling about that book
[17:32] <greg-g> kinda what I expected though
[17:32] <snap-l> greg-g: Hence why I borrowed it
[17:32] <snap-l> It's a douchey business book that I read in one sitting (and mostly skimmed the latter part)
[17:32] <greg-g> yeah, if there was a plan to make 40,000/mo with 4hrs/week, then we'd all be doing it, but there isn't, it is selling stupid books on how to work 4hrs/wk and your snake oil product
[17:33] <rick_h_> yea, that book kind seems like it takes more owrk/money to do at first
[17:33] <greg-g> well, really it is:
[17:33] <greg-g> 1) start a business (this takes a shit load of time and you will most likely not succeed)
[17:33] <greg-g> 2) get other people to run the business
[17:33] <greg-g> 3) enjoy life
[17:33] <greg-g> no. kidding.
[17:33] <snap-l> It's an entrepenuer book. It's 20% testimonial, 30% pie-in-sky promise, and 50% "sit down, and think about what you want out of life, then do it"
[17:34]  * greg-g nods
[17:34] <snap-l> It's an easy skim
[17:34] <rick_h_> yea
[17:34] <greg-g> the first two of the DEAL thing are good to think about, of course
[17:34] <snap-l> Heck yeah.
[17:34] <snap-l> And as an automation nerd, it's right up my alley.
[17:34] <greg-g> Define what you need/want. Eliminate everything else.
[17:35] <snap-l> The less I have to think about the more I can think about.
[17:35] <greg-g> right, A is also good depending on what it is you need/want
[17:35] <snap-l> It's very GTD
[17:35] <greg-g> I guess I should setup bill autopay instead of doing it all manually now?
[17:35] <snap-l> It also got me to not read my mail compulsively over the holiday. ;)
[17:35]  * greg-g likes to know if something weird changes
[17:35] <snap-l> greg-g: Well, the ones that make sense.
[17:35] <snap-l> ie: the one student loan that I tend to forget it on autopay
[17:36] <snap-l> the one that I tend to be more aware of is not
[17:36] <rick_h_> heh, well I think the thing there is you can make it less work vs auto
[17:36] <rick_h_> call, get them all scheduled for the same time, automate the list/amounts
[17:36] <rick_h_> and turn it into a 20min thing you can do vs something you spend 20min 5x a month doing
[17:36] <snap-l> Yeah, I have Paypal set up to transfer $200 every two weeks to my Paypal account
[17:36] <snap-l> mostly because I got sick and tired of double-entry in Moneydance
[17:37] <snap-l> Amazon: 1.89. Transfer from Checking to Paypal: 1.89
[17:37] <rick_h_> right, I moved all my bills to the first week of the month, and then I'l' do bills this week and be done for the month. There's two I couldn't that are auto
[17:37] <snap-l> That's bullshit
[17:37] <rick_h_> lol
[17:38] <snap-l> Especially when Amazon splits the shipment, so you have two entries for 20.89 and 72.34 instead of one entry for 93.23 that doesn't reconcile.
[17:38] <greg-g> rick_h_: is it easy to get your bills moved?
[17:39] <rick_h_> greg-g: most of them. I just called and asked and they did it. I think some even had it online, been a while since I did it
[17:40] <greg-g> cool
[17:40] <snap-l> but it's more than just automating bills.
[17:40] <greg-g> I made a tomboy note with all of my bill dates once, lemme find that...
[17:40] <greg-g> what else? (asking sincerely, bills were just on my mind since I did some last night)
[17:40] <snap-l> stuff like only checking mail on occasion, making sure people don't interrupt you
[17:40] <rick_h_> yea, I have a spreadsheet that's in order of date I make sure I run through.
[17:41] <rick_h_> pay out your kids research papers :P
[17:41] <rick_h_> pay someone to do your holiday shopping/wrapping
[17:41] <rick_h_> pay someone to clean your house, do your laundry
[17:42] <rick_h_> anything that's not fun/you're getting paid for really.
[17:42] <rick_h_> basically keep task rabbit in business :P
[17:42] <greg-g> see, I don't see how paying someone else a price way higher than the cost of me doing it will help me save money
[17:43] <greg-g> I clean in the evening, I'm not maing a choice between cleaning and working billable hours
[17:43] <rick_h_> because the idea is that when you spend an hour working it's $XX/hr while you're paying a far less $YY/hr
[17:43] <greg-g> (which is also why I hate the "it isn't worth it for bill gates/whomever to pick up a $1,000 bill" crap)
[17:43] <greg-g> but it isn't
[17:44] <rick_h_> we have cleaners come to the house every other week for big cleaning. Costs me $135 and they bring 3 people here for 3 hours. That's going to cost me 4.5hrs a week to replace and my rate is a lot more than theirs
[17:44] <greg-g> I'm not actually earning that money if I DON"T clean myself
[17:44] <greg-g> you are't billing 24hrs/day
[17:44] <rick_h_> the big thing for us is it's less billable hours vs time with the boy
[17:44] <greg-g> you're salary
[17:44] <rick_h_> right, but the book is about getting off salary to things that make $$ while you're not running it directly
[17:45] <rick_h_> so you're working every hour to bootstrap something that then you can leave running/bringing in some income while you take your hours and bootstrap something else
[17:45] <greg-g> but the false choice is still there that I disagree with
[17:45] <rick_h_> do it a few times, and you've got 4 small things that bring in money while you're not directly working on them and you cut back hours
[17:45] <greg-g> sure, that is fine, but once you're in cut back hours, there's a false choice there
[17:46] <rick_h_> at that point it turns into a quality of life choice. Would you prefer to spend your hours doing XX or YY
[17:46] <rick_h_> I keep almost getting a lawn service because I can tell myeslf that's 3hrs of woodworking I miss out on a week.
[17:46] <rick_h_> but I kind of enjoy it so I keep doing it myself.
[17:47] <greg-g> right, I guess I'm more inclined to not be dependent on others and do things myself and save money, be self-efficient/reliant, and enjoy all of life :)
[17:47] <greg-g> bad grammar there, but pretend that is a list of things
[17:47] <greg-g> I was mentally interrupted ;)
[17:47] <rick_h_> I follow you
[17:48] <rick_h_> shaker way
[17:48] <greg-g> honestly, I think it is my... right
[17:48] <greg-g> I tend to be inclined towards that type of mentality
[17:49] <rick_h_> understand, working on some of that myself
[17:49] <rick_h_> speaking of, back to the garage. Lunch break over.
[17:49] <greg-g> which is why homesteading is a big draw for me right now (and carrie)
[17:50] <greg-g> laters!
[17:50] <greg-g> enjoy
[17:59] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, it's essentially "do the things you want to do, and outsource the things you don't"
[18:00] <snap-l> if you enjoy doing something, then keep doing it
[18:00] <snap-l> It's the balance between effective vs. efficient.
[18:01] <snap-l> If you get your best ideas cleaning your house, it probably doesn't make sense to outsource that
[18:01] <snap-l> but if you look at your house work as one more interruption, outsource it
[18:17] <brousch> Son of a bitch
[18:18] <brousch> I figured out the weekly-referenced issue from this morning. Damn threads
[18:53] <rick_h_droid> brousch what are you doing with threads?
[18:56] <brousch> Nothing, but a module I'm using has them
[18:56] <brousch> So some of my data was in a thrad and some was out of it
[18:57] <brousch> And this made things not happy
[20:55] <snap-l> I swear, any time I have to deal with Windows, it never ends well
[20:56] <snap-l> Just added a CD drive, and now I need to find install media because WAAAAAAH I'M FUCKING WINDOWS, AND i DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO SHIT
[20:56] <brousch> vlc
[20:56] <snap-l> Really? Does VLC burn Disc Juggler images for Dreamcast?
[20:56] <jcastro> snap-l: what's the error actually say?
[20:56] <snap-l> because rock and roll
[20:57] <snap-l> jcastro: It says "Craig, please eat a dick"
[20:57] <jcastro> no, seriously!
[20:57] <brousch> ah, burning program
[20:57] <jcastro> also, from looking outside it looks like rick'll be the only one CHCing
[20:57] <jcastro> unless everyone got Subarus while I was away
[20:58] <snap-l> jcastro: It says I need the install media, would I like to use Windows Update to install
[20:58] <jcastro> is it a burned CD?
[20:58] <snap-l> and then it picks it's toes and says "here's that bag of dicks you ordered"
[20:58] <snap-l> No, it's a cdi image
[20:58] <jcastro> if the CD is burned badly it'll do that, I know this because it happened to me last weekend
[20:58] <snap-l> no no no no
[20:58] <snap-l> It's a .cdi image, which is what Disc Juggler uses
[20:59] <snap-l> of course, because the Dreamcast tries to prvent iso images from being used "because copy protection" I can't use a straight ISO image.
[21:05] <jcastro> soh
[21:08] <snap-l> Going to try it once under crossover, but I don't hold hpoe
[21:09] <snap-l> woah.
[21:10] <snap-l> If it's not working, it's damn well going through the motions
[21:20] <snap-l> Well, color me surprised
[21:20] <snap-l> it worked.
[21:26] <snap-l> like flawlessly worked