[00:51] i used the ubuntu to ubuntu studio upgrade method but missing studio login screen as well as volume control in panel. also windows theme is wrong [00:54] I done this in ubuntustudio https://soundcloud.com/simp10plus/simp10plus13eighths-4bassnbeat [00:56] thompa, There are some things in /etc that will not be upgraded by installing packages. The themes may be there, but the setting to select the theme would not be. [00:56] i just installed 12.10 on sda1 and think i shoulda left where to install the boot loader to sda instead of changeing it to sda1 because it boots up into grub rescue [00:57] thompa, have you installed ubuntustudio-default-settings? [00:57] len-dt, yea I figured. I am following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu [00:57] i dont know what would be faster, figuring out how to fix or installing again [00:57] hmmm [00:58] I cant move my files to windows partition cause its too full so reinstall not option [00:58] len-dt, my terminal has no prompt either now [00:58] I think i need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop first [00:59] len-dt, there is no package called ubuntustudio-default settings [01:00] reinstalling is what I have chose to do [01:00] len-dt, nevermind i found it [01:00] bjoe, for what [01:00] you should not have to reinstall [01:00] thompa, I have personally never tried switching from vanilla to studio. So I am just trying to figure out what packages are all there. [01:01] to get grub to boot the correct partition [01:01] too late i allready started reinstalling [01:01] bjoe, switching the place grub is installed is not that hard. [01:01] OK [01:02] I think studio uses some xcfe stuff and i may have purged that too. [01:02] bjoe, is it the orger you want to change? [01:02] *order [01:02] len-dt, getting me to figure out how to do it seems impossible i dont understand grub [01:03] Ya, I can figure out the command, but the next time a new kernel comes in I am not sure it would stick. [01:04] bjoe, http://www.unixmen.com/grub-customizer-2-5-5-is-available-customize-grubburg-from-a-gui-interface/ [01:05] thats the gui link. you can also do a grub reinstall [01:05] thanks, I would have to reenter all the networking stuff to get online . [01:06] i'm in the install now. I want sda1 to be where I install ubuntustudio and i could care less about booting sda2 or sda3 [01:07] oh at the install ok [01:07] just do a custom install. the last option [01:08] so do i select /dev/sda as the place for the bootloader and then change /dev/sda1 to mount at / [01:08] ? [01:08] there you can see the sds. delete or format sda1 and recreate [01:08] i'm at the custom install [01:08] yeah [01:08] yes [01:08] you got it [01:09] what about the bootloader? last time i selected sda1 as where the bootloader goes and added the bootflag [01:09] leave the bootloader default i think its sda [01:09] cool [01:09] no [01:09] it should be sda i think [01:10] ok i did have grub bouncing around all over the place before with windows and a couplea linux partitions [01:11] the boot flag was on the ntfs partition sda2 before should I change that back? [01:12] i guess it doesn't matter [01:12] it does [01:13] which partition does the boot flag need to be on? [01:13] ntfs will be detected so it should be sda [01:13] ok i think if i leave sda as where the bootloader goes it should figure it out [01:13] if you go back a step what is the default? [01:13] yes [01:14] you got it [01:14] dont mess with it [01:14] only format sda1 of course / [01:14] yes copying files now [01:14] all the other stuff will be detected. [01:14] well good luck [01:17] the ubuntustudio desktop meta package seems to be missing files. i am going to have to install all of it piece by piece [01:17] cool it doesn't matter about the other partitions booting. the registry is screwed from some old trojan on windows and i got my kernel and video adapter out of version sync on the ubuntu. it's quicker to start over but i have data opn both the other partitionsd that needs to be kept [01:17] ya you can pull that data over from studio [01:18] it will mount the others [01:18] thank goodness. [01:19] I'm hoping I can use the other ubuntu partition as a home mount point and just erase all the stuff i dont need [01:20] thompa what are you doing ? [01:20] well that you could have assigned at the install [01:21] i have an old ubuntu system converting to ubuntustudio. It wont change the themes and missing stuff [01:21] I can do that from gparted too cant I [01:21] I had that happen once with gnome lost all the themes except the whited out one [01:21] it will have created /home already on sda1 [01:22] I think ubuntu unity crap did something [01:22] you could use the extra partition as storage. [01:23] just leave your home call the other one data or backup or video [01:23] something like that. [01:24] you have some work cut out if you change /home i think. i cant remember [01:24] don't you have to change to like xfce window manager or something to get the ubuntustudio theme? [01:24] openbox is good to use with old systems [01:24] yea it uses a bit of both [01:25] i purged xcfe and them wont come back . it should with ubuntustudio install [01:25] i don't know how to add entries into the logon thing but that would be the way to go like clone your xfce, gnome, cairo or whatever and then do openbox -replace [01:26] thats a cool idea. [01:26] my machine is pretty fast. 8 processors with nvidia [01:26] dang [01:26] tor is it 6 sorry [01:26] i guess you dont need openbox haha [01:27] something in the default install is not pulling in or replacing ubuntu [01:27] mine is configuring boot loader [01:28] runningf update-grub that is probably what i shoulda done but i think mine loaded grub1 or something [01:28] i found the quantal list of packages for studio so will have to just check all those [01:29] did you upgrade to quantal? [01:29] i think you did the right thing [01:29] yes [01:29] i tried that from a terminal with my messed up 12.04 and it wouldn't upgrade. I was stuck in every direction I tried [01:30] rebooting [01:31] ubuntu made a mistake with the rythmbox autoplay feature. I cant ever find it and if volume control is missing you got to reopen it [01:31] its a left over from unity and studio should dump this [01:31] i've not ever run it [01:32] what do you use for making music? [01:32] i mostly use pure data. i have been wanting to find a good midi sequencer but my pure data patch is so big it takes all the processing power that my desktop has [01:33] i think that non sequencer might work. qtractor and muse are great but they crash a lot [01:34] ardour crashes often here [01:34] yes it booted [01:34] but its fun because there are lots of programs to choose from [01:34] ardour worked great for me just recording tracks [01:35] I meant openshot crashes [01:35] they were supposed to add midi but I didnht see it last time i looked [01:35] i was making a music video [01:35] openshot did have some bad crashes for me too [01:37] im stumped. I dont have the greybird style available. also no seperate menu entries for audio prod and so on [01:38] im going to try a reboot after this. good luck bjoe [01:39] cool thanks [01:39] good luck to you too [01:42] bjoe, i found the culprit. The studio meta package is not installing studio menu. I should file a bug [01:43] The studio meta package should not have the menu in it. [01:43] oh [01:43] what about studio settings? [01:43] That is in the ubuntustudio-default-settings package [01:44] did not install from there [01:44] It will only show if you have the ubuntustudio session though. [01:44] It will not show on a plain xfce install. [01:44] oh so maybe thats why no login splash [01:44] or xfce session [01:45] thats where im at. I went back and followed the help page instructions but it wont work [01:45] The login screen is lightdm. [01:45] cool. Thanks [01:46] So lightdm would have to be setup to use the US theme. [01:46] I think I went from ubuntu to xfce some time ago then studio [01:46] but there is no command for ubuntustudio install [01:47] i just installed studio menu and it unistalled the settings [01:48] the ubuntustudio-menu package is not up to date. [01:48] The following packages will be REMOVED: ubuntustudio-default-settings if I do studio menu [01:49] It was for adding the menu to a gnome desktop... which is no longer used by anyone. [01:49] any idea how to get to a ubuntustudio setup default [01:50] I have always installed from ISO. I have not done the install from vanilla/whatever switch to studio. [01:51] The idea is that the desktop of choice is installed and then the studio metas are used to install studio apps while keeping the desktop the same as install [01:51] that would explain my problem. I should be able to go back to a basic ubuntu and install from here at least [01:52] Things have kind of gone sideways since about 11.10 [01:52] Len-nb, thats very interesting thanks. [01:52] i am going to try and fix it without reinstalling [01:52] It should be possible. [01:53] I have had ubuntu on this for a couple years [01:53] I think I need to reinstall some settings like gdm [01:53] We don't use GDM anymore. [01:53] oh great [01:53] The ubuntu standard is lightdm now. [01:54] I think all the ubuntus use that. [01:54] thats right i remember that now [01:54] i think it's working great [01:55] I was running debian stable before that [01:55] i can run my patch at least. just gotta either copy over the iem filters or grab the source and install them [01:55] gnome2 is no longer being supported [01:55] looks like the only thing that is missing from a default install is the filters [01:56] is the greybird style part of xcfe? I guess I should install that first [01:56] Unity as a desktop is ok for consumer desktop use, but not for a workstation like studio. [01:56] I think greybird is xfce, but I could be wrong. [01:57] video needs to be changes to 1360x768 in nvidia control panel, jack needs to use sb audigy instead of builtin, and keyoard set to no repeat [01:57] I know we use it though. [01:57] I dont like the music app being part of volume control. If you get a panel problem like i got [01:57] I can understand. [01:58] I think it is possible to not show that applet though. [01:58] could not find the off switch and music was blasting in school [01:58] Yuck [01:59] the problem is that its worse when it runs in xfce like that [01:59] What player are you set up for? [01:59] greybird is the default theme here on a fresh install of studio [01:59] Studio defaults to audacious [01:59] yes I got my laptop with studio beside me and am on big pc [02:00] they are different :*) [02:00] the menus and colrs are too [02:00] *colors [02:00] colours... where I come from. [02:01] i am going to just install xfce first [02:01] Len-nb, me too sometimes [02:03] Len-nb, you in UK? chance of snow here in Memphis tonight. [02:04] Canada, it is 2:03 AM in the UK... I am Vanacouver Island [02:04] We had 3-5 inches of snow earlier. [02:06] ive been there once nice place. [02:06] Len-nb, so I am a little confused. is there no meta package that will work? [02:06] We've been here about 6 years now [02:07] It would take a collection of meta packages I think. [02:08] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-graphics ubuntustudio-video [02:08] sorry thats what the instructions say [02:09] it may be I have to start from ubuntu and not xfce like i did a while back [02:10] Im still not sure why the default menu does not show. There is some setting I need to change from [02:11] i cant remember anymore [02:12] gtk2 was reinstalled [02:12] Just taking a look at our seeds... audio-common, audio-plugins, desktop, ffmpeg-common, font-meta, generation, graphics, photography, publishing, recording, video [02:12] Those are what is in the seeds... [02:12] also some kernel changes after xfce so I should reinstall studio and thats it [02:13] then in desktop there is: ubuntustudio-desktop # metapackage for everything here [02:13] * (ubuntustudio-default-settings) [02:13] * (xubuntu-icon-theme) # to get elementary and elementary-dark icon themes [02:13] * (ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme) [02:13] * (ubuntustudio-look) [02:13] * (ubuntustudio-sounds) [02:13] it should be in desktop. thanks for the help [02:13] * (ubuntustudio-wallpapers) [02:13] * lightdm-gtk-greeter [02:13] * plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio [02:14] gtk-greeter is missing [02:14] that helps [02:14] ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme would be what sets the login screen. [02:15] oh ok [02:21] Len-nb, --reinstall of xfce4 then studio settings and --reinstall studio desktop worked [02:21] I have my menu [02:21] also terminal finally has a prompt [02:21] Good, I going to eat now so I am gone for a while. [02:22] *i'm [02:22] Have a good holiday [02:24] thius thing is working great [02:24] good for u. same here [02:26] great [02:29] I had to do a --reinstall of packages [02:29] I didn't think that mattered anymore [06:23] i just got a stupid little error from udisk2 and had to unsafely unplug and replug a thumbdrive. should i file a bug report? [06:54] onlyHuman, that sounds familiar, there may already be a bug. [06:54] well ill add myself to the affected list thanx [10:37] hey everyone, I got an android tablet yesterday for x-mas and I was wondering.. is there *Any* way to use it as a control surface with midi over wifi? and if so, what do i need? [10:57] gartral: Don't know if anyone here has done anything with that. You could try #opensourcemusicians or #dataflow (where I know some people have been messing around with arm devices) === onlyHuman is now known as Guest56851 [13:00] hii all [13:04] xgoo: hey there [13:04] I saw your query about .mp3 to .ogg conversion [13:04] xgoo: ffmpeg -i file.mp3 file.ogg will do it in a hurry [13:06] em.. what the mean -i ? [13:06] -i = invert ? isn't it? [13:06] xgoo: no the -i would be "input" if my understanding of ffmpeg is correct [13:09] thanks.. [13:09] i see [13:10] file:///home/acerimmer/Desktop/ffmpegwiki.html [13:10] err, I tried to send the wiki file but no ... [13:10] anyway, the wiki has great documentation [13:11] Want the wiki? [13:12] send again.. i loss it :( [13:13] I think you have to accept/authorize for the transfer [13:13] it's a 19 k html file [13:16] i'm read the manual of ffmpeg .. :) [13:25] ffmpeg is a very fast video and audio converter that can also grab from a live audio/video source. [13:25] :) [13:25] yep. it's a nice little swiss army knife. [19:25] How do I change or add apps to the Applications Menu? [19:36] app menu -> settings -> main menu [20:39] Guest56851: app menu -> settings -> main menu no "main menu" on mine:-( [20:40] right click the menu -> properties -> edit menu [20:40] install alacart [20:41] Sorry alacarte [20:42] drmacro, ^^^ [20:42] Guest56851: That allows me to change the icon for the Apps menu or it's title [20:43] len-dt: saw that, figured there was a "native" way to do it. [20:43] It does less than many people want... [20:43] Well we added alacarte in 12.10 [20:43] You can hand edit the file(s) of course :) [20:44] What is it you want to achieve? [20:45] len-dt: I'm on 12.04, just wanted to add an app, EaglePCB for instance. [20:45] no option for edit? then yeah your gonna need to sudo apt-get install alacarte [20:46] When you install it should show up on it's own... if not the best way is to create a *.desktop file and add it to /usr/share/appliactiona/ [20:47] len-dt Eagle install too dumb...;-) [20:47] If you use alacarte to do it, you are stuck with it being in an "other apps" menu. [20:47] len-dt: so what files need editing? [20:47] which sub menu should it be a part of? [20:49] len-dt: since I have other electronics apps there is already an Electronics sub-menu [20:49] Wow really? I don't remember that one... I better ask which version of ubuntu you are using [20:50] damn shes good. one of my information security instructors died and i cant find any information on her on the internet [20:51] totally the wrong room >_< [20:51] len-dt: UBS12.04 with Kicad installed, I think it creates the sub-menu when it installs. [20:51] There is no eletronics section of the menu since about 11.10 in studio [20:51] Ah! [20:52] what is one of the other electronics SW you installed that already shows on the menu called? [20:53] len-dt: Visolate [20:53] try: ls /usr/share/applications/*visolate* [20:54] you should see something like visolate.desktop or something. [21:01] len-dt: aren't the .desktop files the actual launchers? for instance there is an EaglePCB.desktop in my Desktop folder [21:01] drmacro, good you could copy that one in there. [21:02] but how does that get into the App Menu? [21:08] by copying it to /usr/share/appliccations/ [21:08] sudo cp -a EaglePCB.desktop /usr/share/applications/ should do it. [21:09] * Len-nb is assuming you are already cd Desktop [21:10] i still say you should "sudo apt-get install alacarte" to make this easier in the future [21:12] interestingly, I found the Edit Menu you mentioned earlier...but, after exiting it the Properties tab is grayed out and (after previously installing alacarte...it never showed up in the Apps Menu) [21:15] drmacro, once your *.desktop file in in /usr/share/applications/ the app should show up on the menu "somewhere". [21:15] so I copied the .desktop file, now EaglePCB shows up under Other. Also, if I go to App Menu>Settings>Main Menu the Electronics sub-menu doesn't show... [21:15] The trick is to edit the file till it goes where you want. [21:16] :) Ya I told you alacarte has limitations... [21:17] The .desktop file? It has nothing that would lead me to believe it controls it's own location in the menu [21:17] If you edit your *.desktop file you should see a line that says Categories. [21:18] That line determines where it sits in the menu. [21:18] no Categories line [21:18] I'll look at one from usr/share [21:18] Look at another desktop file for an example. [21:19] Preferably one that goes with the electronics part of the menu. [21:24] ok, copied the line from the kicad.desktop to EaglePCB.desktop, works fine. So what creates the categories that App menu displays? [21:32] There is a system template in /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus [21:33] there are other menu stubbs in /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/ [21:34] which is probably where your electronics menu is tacked in. [21:36] there is also a per user directory ~/.local/share/ where more *.desktop files may sit... [21:38] and ~/.config/menus/ [21:39] It is actually possible to put them in even more places... but those are the standard ones [21:40] alacarte deals with the ones in your home directory only. [22:07] hello everybody [22:09] does anybody here use music applications on ubuntustudio? [22:16] Darkness_of_Time: I'd say that's what most people user Ubuntu Studio for :) [22:17] zequence: I would like to ask about software synthesizers, such as (windows) vst instruments [22:17] zequence: is there a reliable way to run this type of software on ubuntustudio? [22:18] zequence: or... is there any kind of similar software for ubuntu studio? [22:21] Darkness_of_Time: I don't use software instruments much, but I can tell you that there's at least two standard formats for on Linux. dssi and lv2. I think you can also use vst instruments, but how is not something I know. You might find more answers on #opensourcemusicians or #kxstudio (based on Ubuntu, with some vst enabled stuff in it) [22:22] zequence: thanks a lot [22:22] The only softsynth I use is hexter. It's a dssi instrument [22:22] Can be run standalone, or loaded into one of the DAWS that support dssi instruments [22:23] Darkness_of_Time: Hydrogen is a drummachine/sequencer, you might want to check out [22:23] zequence: I'm just insterested in orchestral & piano soft synths... [22:24] synths, or samplers? [22:24] There's linux-sampler, and some sample libs [22:24] zequence: this one, can load just soundfonts and gig files [22:24] sonatina symphony library, and a couple of piano librariews [22:24] zequence: sonatina is a sfz format [22:24] zequence: what I mean [22:25] linux-sampler can load sfz too [22:25] I think [22:25] zequence: is edirol orchestra, kontakt [22:25] etc [22:25] most likely linux-sampler can load sf2, gig and sfz [22:25] I think you're right === for is now known as Guest97015 [22:34] zequence: which soundcard do you have installed in your system? is it necessary to have a good and expensive one? [22:37] Darkness_of_Time: Depends on what you want to do with it. Expensive, no [22:38] midi + audio editing [22:38] this is what I need most [22:38] for example... could I have good performance with a Sound Blaster Live? [22:38] Built in audio devices may not be the best for low latency work, but it varies [22:38] this is a really old card [22:39] and... which sound cards have good performance regarding the latency? [22:39] Most pci cards are ok. [22:39] such as Sound Blaster Live? [22:39] are you sure? [22:39] I can't say. I don't have one [22:39] because for windows... [22:39] the latency performance [22:39] of this sound card [22:39] Windows is different [22:39] is not very good [22:39] oh! [22:40] really? so... it's a matter of drivers actually [22:40] I have also a EMU 0404 [22:40] is is compatible with ubuntustudio? [22:40] the EMU should be good [22:40] Is it a pci device? [22:40] I might try this one [22:40] yes [22:40] pci [22:40] Should work fine [22:40] it seems [22:40] that... [22:41] most likely [22:41] I should try something [22:41] as kxstudio for using my vst plugins [22:41] and install this EMU 0404 [22:41] as I understand [22:41] Did you try asio4all on Windows with your SB card? [22:41] no [22:41] I didn;t [22:41] didn't [22:41] because [22:41] I have EMU [22:42] and X-Fi platinum [22:42] I uninstalled [22:42] soundblaster live [22:42] much time ago [22:43] I would prefer the EMu device anyway [22:43] The SB is not for audio production [22:44] Darkness_of_Time: Did you install Ubuntu Studio yet? [22:44] If not, try the live DVD first [22:44] You can try the applications before installing [22:44] I haven't installed Ubuntu Studio yet [22:44] what I'm trying to do [22:44] this very moment [22:44] to install it as a virtual machine [22:44] Don't do that [22:44] using virtualbox [22:44] why? [22:45] Audio performance will be very bad [22:45] oh [22:45] ... [22:45] so... [22:45] let me ask you some more questions [22:45] my computer [22:45] is [22:45] Either burn a DVD, or create a bootable usb stick, and try it live, wihtout installing [22:45] an AMD 3000+ 64bit with dual core [22:45] 8 GB ram [22:46] and let's say (I'll install) EMU 0404 [22:46] this one... [22:46] should have good performance [22:46] right? [22:46] As long as it's a PC, you'll be fine :) [22:46] :) [23:01] bye! [23:01] thanks a lot [23:01] !